With how notoriously complex and finnicky tree farms have been historically, i feel like bamboo farms for wood would be a lot easier on that average joe to build. At the very least for myself they seem a lot more inviting than a potentially explosive tree farm

The sword and axe have officially switched places. The axe is for combat and the sword is for gathering wood.

it is interesting that you can now do skyblock starting with only a single block of grass, and a single bamboo stick. it is even a somewhat ideal form of wood to use to start as there is no risk of not getting a sapling

if you need to build a storage system and you need a lot of chests, you just need a bamboo farm and you're set for ages!!

re: spruce trees it's better to throw the pearl directly upwards, and then bonemeal the tree directly where you stand. A few ticks of suffocation damage, but you get a perfect pearl throw every time and it's a bit faster

you have to consider that bamboo takes 16 times more shulkerbox space when trasporting a lot of it than trasporting logs instead (for the same amount of planks). of course you could craft the bamboo to planks at the farm but it would still take up 4 times the space as logs and it would require a complicated player action

For the collection of bamboo, it grows on mud blocks which are shorter than a full block, so you don't NEED hopper minecarts to collect it. Still, that would take a fair amount of iron.

People from South Asia and South East Asia know that you dont dry bamboo, you just build stuff with the green bamboo and it dries up automatically, also the green is just the peel and its all yellow inside.

16:17 I think it actually makes sense because you’re putting more effort in to crafting so it rewards you with a higher efficiency fuel source. Kind of like what smelting with scaffolding changed a few updates ago

For the casual player, bamboo is much easier to auto farm than trees (observer+piston) so I'm sure it will become the new meta. Good ideas with green blocks and needing to use dried bamboo. Although 4 smelting operations per plank seems very expensive. Maybe you smelt green blocks to turn them into usable planks.

One advantage of logs over bamboo is that it’s easier/faster to craft into planks. And logs allow for an easier transport of big amounts of wood

Something odd about Bamboo is that it is not able to be composted. Never have understood that.

your idea of drying the bamboo in the furnace makes a lot of sense because it doesn't make sense to use green items to get a yellow "dry" block

i love the idea of having dry bamboo, also it could be a better fuel source in the way that we have charcoal for the logs

Now we have the best color palette for Japanese/old Chinese style buildings. I really wanna build some traditional Chinese style buildings like the Pagoda. It seems more fitting now that we are going to have bamboo planks.

Side note: An axe with efficiency 5 is better than a sword for chopping bamboo.

I really like the idea of using a smoker(or furnace in general) for making dried bamboo and using that for crafting, instead of using the bamboo raw.

One factor you didn't mention that gives a slight drawback to bamboo is the crafting tedium and storage density. With wood, you can craft 4 stacks of planks in a single crafting manoeuvre, whereas you can only craft bamboo planks one stack by one stack, which, if you value your wrist and don't want to set up a macro, can be a significant drawback. And nothing beats logs in how much you can hold at once, not only for wood, but for any block type (ex aequo with copper blocks that can turn into 4 cut copper blocks). If you have a big project that's far away from your base, and if you're short on shulker boxes, logs will always stay the ultimate way to carry a huge amount of blocks at once.

Between needing saplings, the spiraling shapes, blocks being up in the air, and also requiring bonemeal, tree farms always have a lot of effort going on with them. Chopping bamboo is so much simpler and requires none of the previous components. From a casual level, it's easier to harvest, and on technical hi-end scales, it's also easier to harvest :p

These kinds of in-depth comparisons from an experienced redstoner are some of my favorite content that you produce. Always really interested in your opinion on these new features. Keep it up!

I really like the idea of having to dry bamboo as well as the green bamboo blocks

In my opinion, this is well balanced. The vast majority of wood used by most players in survival are for aesthetics and building stuff with it. In those cases, each log type still has its use. In those other situations, planks are often being used for crafting things at project sites, in which case logs are still going to be superior for the vast majority of casual players because they can be more densely stacked, whereas bamboo is not as dense and you need to take four times as many planks with you (or store four times as many planks in your shulker boxes or ender chest). In the mid- and late-game, this means that logs still have a lot of utility for practically everything until you get up to industrial sized farms. In the early game, as you said, most players will not begin in a bamboo forest. Although you could still acquire bamboo via fishing in a jungle biome, I'm still struggling to see how this negatively effects the balance of the early game in any meaningful way. It's just another option for starting the game for players who happen to be near the correct biomes, and for players who don't care what wood type they have. It's probably still less of an advantage than having a world spawn near a village. I think there are only two areas of the game that are potentially negatively affected by this change: 1) industrial scale farms, and 2) speedruns. 1) For industrial scale farms, it does make some tree farms obsolete, for some purposes. But not totally obsolete. To the extent that they make some of those farms less good as general-purpose plank-producers, I think this is actually an improvement. I'm sure it feels bad for folks who have put so much effort into designing these insane tree farms only to have a block introduced that is far simpler to farm, but I don't see the downside of making plank-farms more accessible to players in this way. Many tree farms are not just expensive (in terms of blocks) and particular with redstone, but they also rely on complicated mechanics like update order, putting designing these farms (and sometimes even building other people's designs) out of reach for many players. This change makes farming planks more accessible, while still retaining a use for farming logs, not the least of which is that logs can be packed four times as densely as bamboo planks. 2) For speedruns, this makes starting in a bamboo forest a potentially meaningful advantage (for categories which use the latest versions). Perhaps even meaningful enough that speedrunners would reroll seeds until they get that start. Although I suspect that starting near a village makes farming for bamboo pretty obsolete, not to mention the additional time needed in the UI to craft planks fro bamboo over crafting planks from logs. But if it is a speedrunning advantage, in my opinion, Mojang should not be balancing changes around speedrunning. As a speedrunner myself (not of Minecraft), I strongly believe that if a speedrunning community dislikes a change made by developers they are always free to impose their own arbitrary restrictions on what is/isn't allowed for the run, or to select earlier versions.

I've been watching your channel for a while now (since like 50k subs) and i gotta say i admire the massive improvements in video quality thoughout the years. Editing is great and you sound less monotone! Keep it up man(go)!

about the bamboo drying process, minecraft has a tendency to skip over stuff like this (bread, cookies, cakes, etc being crafted and not baked) which does make me want them to have a whole baking update lol

Definitely like the smoking/drying of bamboo idea. Green bamboo blocks could be made in a recipe with string maybe

Honestly, I love the idea of dried bamboo that would be required in order to craft bamboo planks. As you said, it parallels real life and would make the survival gameplay that much more difficult, which is something it needs.

I'll definately still want to chop trees for certain woods for builds but it is nice to have a nice supply of bamboo for planks for stuff via a piston harvested bamboo farm (I don't want to use a slime block one though because they tend to cause issues and get stuck mysteriously)

The problem is, bamboo already is a good fuel and is used for scaffolding, also giving it the ability to completely replace wood in every recipe is making the item too versatile than it should be. Especially for how fast it grows and how easy it is to farm.

I still like wood, because it just takes a fourth of the storage and when you need wood, you get 4 out of 1 for crafting and not 1 out of 4. And you can still hook up the azlea tree farm to the bonemeal farm and get more wood than you normally need, if you let it run chunkloaded

a new video yohahhh and your videos always help me be a better player and whenever I can't do a redstone contraption your the guy i go too so thank you for your hard work and keeping us up to date on the best methods to stay ahead in the game 😁

Loving the snapshot content!

I really like the idea on drying bamboo. I agree that it feels pretty OP right now.

Love your ending thoughts, I think it should need to be dried first

I loved the presentation ty. For my part I think that easy wood access is very welcome since it lighten up a bit the grinding part of Minecraft. I know I don't use dried kelp because of the drying part... But that said, the fact that it would auto fuel makes it somewhat acceptable. Nice ideas anyway 👍

Excellent choice for the music in the timelapse of punching bamboos and trees

I had forgotten about Jungle pyramids. They should really revamp them in a new update sometime, it would be awesome to explore a Jungle-themed dungeon Indiana Jones style

you could also nerf bamboo a bit by adding string to the crafting recipe to kind of tie the individual bamboo sticks together

Great video and nice explanations 🙌

I was already excited for Bamboo Wood when they first announced it just because, you know, yay, new wood types are always fun, but when I started to think about it and realized just how much of a quality of life boost this new wood would bring, I was ecstatic. Bamboo Wood is probably my favorite part of this new update for that alone

Yeah, I feel like they should have made it possible to instant mine logs with haste 2 efficiency 5 netherite axes so at least in manual farms it's more viable to do it with wood

I think that it'd be neat if bamboo stairs had four steps per block, just for fun

thanks for this. i didn't know about the planks from bamboo.

Thats OP, they should definitely make mining logs faster like you would instamine with efficency 5 or increase the bamboo mine time

I did some testing, and trees vs bamboo are about even if you use a haste II beacon. Also I prefer to use a riptide trident, as it's more permanent.

Also, it would be cool if we could use green bamboo for composting, and the dry one for scaffolding and planks

I think your suggestions at the end of the video are really good!

Really like youre balancing bamboo! ªWould love to see it! Absolutely loved the vidd

To be honest, I _really_ expected the crafting recipe of bamboo planks to be 3x3. This is just so OP, lol.

The problem I have with bamboo is that you have to craft it into planks. Also early game you can carry 4x more wood in the form of logs that won’t take up a ton of inventory space when you go caving.

Have always loved your intro song and now the other you use here

I propose the fairest test is in size footprint of automatic farm required for both, owing to the complexity of an automatic tree farm you have less space for wood, but with the bamboo one you have less space for a mechanism as you need more m² for bamboo. I think setup the best automatic farm you can of very similar size for either and which ever produces more wood, that's the real winner.

one potential downside for bamboo planks is that you need to do 4x as many crafting interactions to get the same amount of planks as you'd get from the logs.

Sky block but you start with one bamboo

I actually really like the idea of doing a dried bamboo first. Great suggestions

Great vid! One other consideration is the storage efficiency. You can carry or store a huge amount of wood by keeping it in log form. You can't do that with bamboo.

You can punch the dirt under bamboo as well

Upon reflection I really think this is a bit OP, wood was one of the few late game bottle necks bamboo is just too easy to harm

This is great! Now I can just craft chests of bamboo to store all of my other bamboo!

I feel like wood is a block that should be relatively easy to get since it’s essentially the basic building block for all of minecraft so I like that you can craft it out of bamboo and I think having it be that simple is great for newer and more casual players. It does seem to make the late game wood collection a bit trivial with it being much easier than other wood farms, especially considering that many players may already have one of these as a fuel source. An idea to balance this could be to reduce the growth rate of bamboo slightly to make it more difficult to replicate the production of the more complex tree farms. The fuel efficiency could potentially be improved to compensate for this changed rate if it becomes too much of a nerf for automatic fuel farms. Obviously you could just build a bigger bamboo farm to compensate for this but it may make people consider the alternative more seriously

It's very surprising how this is disputed by some because it does change the progression of the game with how easy bamboo farms are too build and how much bamboo you get. I think making bamboo planks decorational will solve this.

You're a little out of touch here. Next to no one uses a wooden axe to chop wood. They go straight from a wooden pickaxe to a stone one and then a set of stone tools (and a furnace).

Bamboo is incredibly easy to automate wood collection with compared to trees. This will probably be my go-to for wood now.

Overall I like what they have now. There is a real nice elegance to being able to start a game purely on bamboo so I don't think I'm in favor of requiring extra processing. If they make any change it might be to make bamboo half as performant, require 8 bamboo to make a plank (eg, craft a 2x2 bamboo with 2 items in each slot, so 8 bamboo to each plank).

I don't like this honestly. Building a tree farm seems so pointless now. The only use they'll have after this is decoration blocks.

well, you also started with a fully grown bamboo farm on one side, but had to grow and position yourself for the spruce tree. some closely stacked spruce trees could have saved alot of time, moreso if you had started right on top of them. but yeah, in terms of an automated and not too complicated setup, the bamboo farm is alot easier to manage.

I'm starting to really like the intro. At first I thought it was odd, but it is growing on me more and more. I really like it now.

left on a solid note, i would approve of that change

I like thee idea of green bamboo blocks and the furnace implementation

I like the dried bamboo idea a lot. We can already smelt them automatically, and doing so gives some experience, too. However, a green bamboo block would be nice for early building, even if it couldn't be used for chests and other recipes. I feel like that's a fair concession.

I saw the thumbnail before I realized it was Il Mango. I thought: “oh no. Someone’s going to rally simplify this question to get the answer they want.” Instead we get Il Mango examining as many aspects as possible in under 20 minutes.

It's that time of the year, when I once more try to plug the idea of a new functional block .. the *compactor* . An intermediate between a furnace and the most basic of autocrafting: 9 small units of -> one larger unit of . 9 coal to 1 coal block, 9 redstone dust to 1 redstone block, 9 nuggets to one bar, 9 bars to one block etc etc. Would work for kelp compacting too, and here: compacting 9 bamboo into 1 bamboo log. Recipe could be smth like: one furnace surrounded by 4 or 8 pistons. Uses fuel. This idea for campacting bamboo would be lossier and way more expensive than what is in the snapshot. Fair trade for the comfort imo .. and would nerf bamboo->wood conversion to a more balanced state.

This is the first thing I thought of as soon as they showed that wood in Minecraft Live. Everyone else was talking about the texture and I'm just like.. dood, insanely fast wood!

Ilmango is having nightmares of chopping trees because of the SkyBlock series

The 'carbonized/cooked bamboo' idea is brilliant. It feels like it makes perfect sense, plus, as you said, kelp exists just like this in the game already. This would also could be educational, being as the game likes to promote that, it would show some of the real process of how bamboo is used. I really hope this is what happens for the sake of balance, too.

This has INCREDIBLE Skyblock potential

I agree with liking the idea of wet vs dry bamboo but I still think you should be able to make wood tools in 2 steps (bamboo to planks to crafting table/tools) since otherwise you'd still have to find a tree to get wood tools to get a furnace (tho trees are more common than bamboo but still)...

Really like that dried bamboo idea

You are the best ilmango I love your videos

It could also make sense that they're finally working towards that TNT dupe fix. Crafting super-large amounts of planks for components is definitely a technical-player thing. This could be a convenience thing they implement for technical players to have an easier time with those since fixing TNT duping is technically a nerf to tree farms (need to gather the TNT). It could just be one of a few steps (like moveable tile entities) before TNT duping is fixed. I know this theory is a bit of a stretch. If we see renewable sand pop up at some point, it may be closer than we think though.

A benefit for wood logs that is worth mentioning is that harvesting logs is a more compact way of holding wood as well. Since 1 log is 4 planks, or 8 sticks, but 1 bamboo is .25 planks, or .5 sticks.

In a lot of minecraft mods there is a block called a Bamboo Bundle which does not look like planks and can’t be used as fuel. Combined with the drying idea we could get 2 additional decoration blocks. The green bamboo bundles and the dried bamboo bundles. Crafting could be 3x3 for them just like hay bales and dried kelp blocks.

The stair case method for chopping down 2x2 trees is faster than ender pearling btw since you spend 100% of the time cutting wood instead of waiting for the ender pearl to land + removing leaves at the top to get to the logs

I still prefer wood. I like to keep it as three stacks of logs so that I can have plenty of inventory space. This is especially helpful in hard-core, when I need to make an end bridge and my inventory's almost full.

I really like your suggestion to dry out the bamboo before turning into planks

Wood logs are still nice to have as more compact wood. Most of the time I carry around a stack of logs. And I have a few stacks in a shulker box in an ender chest. Which are limited spaces. So it's good to have compact plank source. Same when you have a lot of it in shulker boxes for a big project.

I love the idea that you first have to smelt the bamboo to and then you can craft the planks, it's more realistic that way.

I actually like this, and I think they should continue doing things like this. This makes spawning into a new world literally unique for each player depending on what biome they spawn into. I dont think this will overtake normal logs and planks either because jungles are somewhat rare compared to the many other biomes you'd pass to get there which have much more wood than just one jungle could get you with bamboo

One thing that wasn't mentioned was the relative crafting time of the two wood sources. If you have roughly an infinite supply(or a lot stored up), it will be much faster to craft other planks. I doubt this will be a problem though other than on scicraft :)

I found the best tree farm is large spruce trees with scaffolding next to them. Once it grows you climb up the scaffolding and jump on top, then mine down

I set up a bamboo farm using leafstone as an easy fuel source (actually looks a bit like a smartphone). now it can be an even better fuel source if bamboo planks are 1:1 for smelting.

This is awesome. You can now farm wood using a basic observer, piston and hopper minecart system. Take a simple sugar cane farm and make it a bit taller and you have a simple, easy, afk wood farm.

For me personally there are two problems with bamboo - that it is needed to be crafted into planks, and that it takes a ton of inventory space. In the middle game the problem is that i normally don't go around with just my sword - i have like around 9 free slots in inventory, and chopping trees is much simpler in that regard then trying to collect and craft bamboo planks, and in the end i can carry 4 times more. And in the late game if for example i have a tree farm(azalia for ex) and i need wood for something - i just go to the farm, take wood and fill my shalkerboxes. But in the case on bamboo you either need 16 times more shulkerboxes, and, consequently, 16 times more inventory space, or i need to take time to craft it first and still need 4 times more space. As for me the biggest advantage of canon wood is that it is just so much more compact in tems of inventory space

I’ve been using bamboo for my auto smelter in a multiplayer for months. Problems started when I upgraded the furnaces and it started outpacing bamboo production. It’s cheap at first, but making a tree farm for fuel is much better when you can afford it.

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Addressing Ilmango's comment about gaining fuel efficiency without adding energy: I think this would still be possible (in real life). It really depends on what exactly we are talking about with regard to "efficiency". For example, if we are talking about length of time something is burning, then 1) air, 2) fire-exposed surface area, and 3) moisture content are huge contributors in that equation. The more air something has when burning the quicker it burns because air flow can make fuel burn hotter and faster (as air is a prime requirement for fire; no air = no fire). If the airflow remains constant, then another way to increase burn time is to position the fuel source efficiently. E.g. if you feed the wood in on a 30-45 degree angle rather than exposing the entire length of wood to the fire directly, then it will burn slower and more efficiently. I mention this because placing tubes of bamboo into a fire would obviously allow for more air flow where each tube meets (picture laying tubes down on a surface and then more tubes on top of each other) vs. the flat and abutting nature of planks, restricting airflow. Lastly, the water content of wood can affect burn time as well. More moisture = slower burn. Regular "tubes" of bamboo have an outer layer which protects the inner wood from the elements. If this layer is removed, more moisture will naturally set in. With that being said, one could simply cut the bamboo into planks and leave them out for a little while before burning. One other important consideration: It's entirely possible that the standard bamboo shoot is actually burning faster and hotter than is needed, which is an inefficient use of the wood and wastes the resource faster. One might require a lower threshold of heat to smelt. Thus, allowing some additional moisture into the wood, restricting some air flow by placing planks on top of each other rather than tubes, and reducing the surface area of the fire-exposed wood could extend the usage of the wood as a fuel source while still producing the heat required to smelt. However, if efficiency is referring to heat OVER time, then I can see this argument being more difficult to rebuttal as any increase in heat will decrease the length of time at which it could burn, requiring the addition of more energy/fuel sources.

When chopping down spruce, throw the pearl straight up _before_ you bonemeal. Never miss, saves time.

Perhaps it could also be possible to have thic bamboo trees that grow out of the current bamboo item but with very simple growing requirements, that way it would be just as balanced as other wood types

I like the dried bamboo idea.

I think what matters in endgame is the crafting process. You need to craft 4 stacks of bamboo into one stack of plancks while you could craft one stack of logs into 4 stacks of plancks. I dont really care if i have to run a tree farm a little longer than a bamboo farm, if im able to make the crafting a lot more enjoyable im down for it.

mango dont forget that if you want to craft lots of chests, hoppers, composters, barrels, and such, nether trees are KING. because you can farm an absolute ton of them with very little effort. the downside is you need to go to the nether, you need silk touch, need a fungus farm, more bone meal, and you cant get charcoal from them. Edit: by the way, using riptide trident in water is the best way to get to the top of a tall tree. but you're not going to have a riptide trident in early game. but its a fun thing to do