this is something phineas and ferb would make over their summer

I wonder if would it be possible to do a flying machine with the carts below the farm to collect instead of having so many rails below so two flying machines harvester(above) and collector below

Dude you have been posting non-stop last few weeks. Keep it up man! Love the content

you could theoretically have a system that turns off the lights either while the machine is running or better yet progressively through the farm in the specific zone in between the blades so that the bamboo can't grow at a time where it can't be collected. the lighting updates alone might make it not worth it but it'd be a fun experiment nonetheless

When I first saw the title, it sounded like you were going to launch the hopper minecarts up to catch the bamboo before it could shoot everywhere. That might not be possible but it was a funny idea.

Maybe you could have two flying machines. One machine is on top harvesting that the other is below the dirt collecting the items.

The best way to deal with lag would be use a combination of the 2 farm types. Use the harvester across the top. Drop the minecarts onto rails that go underneath to pick up the other items.

one possible improvment is to have the iron trapdoors on both side of the slime / honey block lines, this way, you don't run into the issue of the second line breaking bamboos that grow in between the machine lines. the downside is that it makes the lines smaller, due to the push limit, and you'll have to have the "motor" part of the machine with the observers somewhere, so i guess the line where the motor goes through would be better without bamboos. It's probably less space efficient, but that might be a worth trade off : no items on the ground, for a little less space efficiency

When I saw the title, I had imagined a machine that would knock out a row of bamboo and launch the minecarts upwards to instantly collect all the items before moving on. Somehow I thought you might've made that possible haha Good design!

I haven't played minecraft in a while but I love seeing concepts like this. Keep up the good work mango ♥️

You could have a second flying machine blocking the light above the first flying machine, that would prevent the growth of the bamboo in between the 2 blades

I recommend changing it to one blade instead of two. But make each blade 4 wide with iron trapdoors on each side of the blade, this means your sacrificing the width of each flying machine, but reducing the possibility of harvesting stray bamboo growth to 0% which saves that 8ms per tick.

I am loving the designing on the spot kind of video. Its really interesting seeing how you come up things on the fly.

Here's a few idea to consume all the bamboo processed. 1. Smelt the world by making a world eater and stone (and other ore) sorter. 2. Scaffold entire mountains. 3. Upgrade your bone meal farm.

Idea: stacked minecart harvesters Using your first one-way design, you could collect two-high segments starting from the top. Ex. 7 tall would be three flying machines--top launching first, then middle, then bottom. I believe this should significantly mitigate fallen item entities, as the vast majority will be within the minecart on the way out, and only the bottom flying machine will encounter grown bamboo on the way back. This will use significantly more minecarts at a time, but I still expect this to be a gain over the item entity lag. The first issue, of course, is creating engines one block tall so the flying machines don't interfere with each other. Return stations (I imagine utilizing pistons to trigger observers below them) can merely be staggered. (The lowest flying machine will have the furthest return stations.) The second issue is minecart unloading. Minecart snap tricks probably won't work, but, allowing them to fall on return should (as the machines are already staggered). It's just a matter of creating a return system that can handle waves of minecarts. Finally, dispensing minecarts on each of the flying machines might be the most difficult piece. But, using the same high drops as unloading, I believe reloading can be done from any height as well. So, staggering launch stations enough to allow the minecart dispensing system to tile should do the trick. I'm not a technical Minecrafter, so I have little faith I could get this to work myself. But I believe you could, and that this extension of your idea might have merit. So... hope this helps!

I'm not a red stone genius like most of the youtubers I watch for these kinds of machines, but couldn't you have a similar flying machine, one that runs a few blocks back, on the bottom with minecart hoppers that catch the items after they've been cut, through the dirt so there aren't any entities left behind? You'd still save on tracks, but I would suspect the way those work on the top would work the same on the bottom.

Love these types of videos. I learn so much more. Keep it up, loving the content!

I would like to see a version that moves the trapdoors!

Such a creative and original design with the return of the minecarts! Great job!

I love the new unloading system. I'm excited to see what other features from 1.19 will aid in making new farms and improving old ones like this one and the sugar cane farm. Good work as always Mango!

This is so cool! Awesome as always

Because of the new fast unloading of minecarts with mud and lava cauldrons, bamboo generators are much more feasible. Double pulse bone meal into the plants with an observer, break with stick pistons holding iron trap doors, and have have your collection underneath with a fast unloader at each end. I'm fueling a 320 furnace smelter using 4 x 8 plant modules, and each quick pass of the minecart from only 2 of the modules (there's two rails, one for every 2 modules) yields about 4 stacks of bamboo. So you get 4 stacks of bamboo every 5 seconds or so out of only 16 bamboo plants. Simply connect comparators to the first and last furnace to detect a fuel level, and have those activate your generators. Moss farms make it all even more feasible, with both you're still using a lot less space and maybe even less resources than a huge bamboo harvesting farm.

The best fix I can think of is having two machines for each direction and being able to somehow push the first one out of the way (with another flying machine picking it up upwards ?) to let the other one go in the other direction.

Thank you for sharing your adventure in farming. 👍

if could you reduce ground item lag caused by the backward blades by putting a flying machine extension between the blades with the purpose of stopping the bamboo from growing while the machine is directly above it?

Cranking out content, love the new update rushes man.

10:00 the idea i would have here is to lift or lower either side of the machine, and build it in a way where it can push the blades regardless of their height. whenever the machine reaches a given side, it lowers the new blade and lifts the old blade

12:53 If you want to sync the speed of the hopper minecarts running under the farm with the flying machine above, put a flying machine pushing the minecarts _under_ the dirt? Would this prevent the huge lag spike with the taller growing design? Edit: Scrolling down, I see several people had the same idea. 😄

Really cool design!

I like when you explain how you design your farms :-)

To improve efficiency/decrease lag on the traditional farm design rotate the collection system 90°. Then use observers to release the minecarts when the flying machine moves across the field. If each track has a U-turn, covering 2 rows only half of the minecarts would be required. Less minecarts in motion, less lag. The items should be picked up quicker and therefore not sit waiting for the minecarts to return.

The "rebuilding" flying machine idea, instead of the "two-sided" one looks interesting to me

Certainly beats the bamboo farm in my LP series xD looking good!

I've been really enjoying the recent videos

You could send the minecarts under the bamboo farm and wait to send them until the flying machine previously holding the carts returns to its start position.

Love the farm design

If the cost of rails isn't an issue you could do a combo design where you sent the same minecarts under the farm aswell once it's done harvesting

Another solution could be either running a flying machine under the farm orr slowing down the machine so that even when the bamboo is fully grown it will all fall down into the minecart

i actually designed a similar farm with the carts on a flying machine, before it was usefull because of the new unloaders, just because i thought it looked cool, it was way more primitive then this one however, and it has been verry fun and humbeling to watch you go loose on the concept, because i was strugeling getting an inefficiant simple version to work :)

I think it should be possible to fill the gap between the front and back row of slime/honey with slippery blocks like terracotta by rearranging and/or adding flying machines. This should prevent bamboo from growing between them mid-flight and drastically cut down on unwanted entity spillage.

Here’s an idea: have the trap door blades be 2 trap doors long. That way the bamboo has time to fall down and then get collected by the minecarts which are one block back. I’m not near my computer right now so I’ll have to improvise in explaining: imagine you’re looking at this from above: [trap door] [trap door] [slime/honey] [trap door] [trap door] And minecarts on top of the trap doors, obviously. I’ll edit this comment with a picture as soon as I can Edit: nvm, probably wouldn’t work

This type of video is great.

An interesting change to this could be to make it so that both slime/honey sweepers had minecarts that could collect bamboo. This could limit the loss and lag from items that are broken by it. It would be more complicated but you could redesign each sweeper to have a trap door on both sides and then extend the slime/honey vertically by one block to push and pull it. You would obviously need more flying machines but the trade off may be worth it. For the second set of minecarts maybe drop them from above? I’m not as advanced in minecart logic but I’m sure you could figure something out

Definitely needs a passenger minecart so you can go on the ride with the hopper minecarts.

i would be interested in how a farm would compare, that harvests tall bamboo sequentially. you would have a bambo on mud "10x10 block" that grows 15 high (or which hight/cycle time/width combination would be best). send the minecarts out once, from a dispenser setup towards a instant unloader setup. each module is timed in a way that machine 1 havests -> once the items are sucked up -> machine two launches etc. when the last module harvests, the first module is grown to its max height. thus you have a small amount of items permanently, instead of a lot of items periodically. this would be nice to look at, to make it even more fancy, you can do that for smaller slices (as small as you can make the flying machines) and have them harvests in set intervals (to generate wave form patterns).

This is dope, thank you so much!

Ok, I just spent some time trying out a system that uses two sets of synchronized flying machines, with the second one below the bamboo to collect the items. 1.19 makes this much easier to do thanks to the mud blocks, otherwise we wouldn't be able to plant the bamboo on a non-full cube and couldn't use minecarts on top of honey blocks. Since we now can use this system I just tried to use the classic mob farm sweepers with the flying machines at the side of the farm and a 9 block wide field. This definetly needs some improvement, as of right now, I am loosing way too many items that just get shot to random places or fall out of the side gap. But the concept itself works very well and, once the beforementioned problem is solved, should result in a lower amount of item entities laying around. Since I only just use a single line of slime/honey to break the plants, some items will stay on top of the bamboo plants. This might actually be super easy to fix by using two harvesters with short delay. The second machine would just push off the items and the collector could reach all of the items. The odds of a bamboo plant growing once, yet alone twice inbetween is minimal

Perhaps you could find a way to suck up one of the backwards facing blades on each side so only forward facing blades ever sweep over the bamboo? Or perhaps you could use something like sand that gets dispensed over the grown bamboo and have 4 flying machine arms instead, two for cutting below with two minecarts above to pick the items up when they get forced on top of the sand, then the sand would be pushed into collection channels water streams before every push limit to be redispensed shortly before the next harvest.

Good work!

I know the whole point of the jumping minecarts is to get rid of the minecarts underneath, but a combination of the 2 seems like it would make the lag even lower. It's a lot of rails but each system has its flaws and they tend to fix the flaw of the other design.

Idk how much more lag it would cause but you could have a flying machine sweeper on top to break and then a similar flying machine to what you have now with minecarts directly below the dirt platform. There would still be some left on top of the cut bamboo but it would be exactly like having rails underneath just without the expense of the rails.

what about a flying machine which moves very slowly, but every time it harvests it will immidietly make the minecrafts jump in the air to collect falling bambo? even if it isn't very efficient or lag friendly, i think it is a very fun concept.

Mango just invented a lag machine, that looks like a legit farm🏆

Dude. This is genius.

A thought for the item issue. What about instead of the flying machine traveling back over the bamboo maybe have the flying machine be pushed up 5 blocks and the end and have it return over the farm itself. Process the Items for storage on the far end and drop the minecarts in a water stream back to the starting area. They would get back to the starting area ready to be put back on the flying machine long before it gets back.

I love your videos!

I can think of solutions to make it closer to lossless and have it lag friendly, but it would cost a bit more in terms of moving mass. Nave a single blade with trap doors either side and move it witha flying machine from above. May require a wall the height of the machine before you can cap off the roof, but in theory once the trap door breaks the bamboo, the wall will prevent it from falling behind and theyll drop straight into the carts. Then just reverse it, move the carts to the other side and it'll do the same thing. Nothing would get broken without a cart there to collect, or is blocked from growing. Either that or have a wall of glass between the 2 blades in the setup you had to block growth, but that eats into efficiency and requires 1 wide engines

This is so fun and ridiculous that it's almost become a Mumbo Jumbo farm. Except it's ilmango efficient. What would happen if you combined the blade and the under farm minecarts? You could probably use a single minecart for 2-3 rows since most of the bamboo is going into the blade.

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Glad to see you tested this weird concept out :) I'm curious as to why 3 tall bamboo has more spillage than 3 tall sugarcane? Is it only due to the bamboo that grows quickly enough to get trapped inbetween the two harvester rows which then gets broken? Or is it because the bamboo breaks slower than sugarcane? Or something completely different?

Cool. Please do a comparison between a wide farm which restricts bamboo height and uses the new jumping minecart system TO a tall farm with no height restriction, the same production of bamboo per hour, and that uses the traditional underground rail. I suspect there are benefits to both and a point when one design is preferable to the other and vice versa. I think this test could help identify that point.

Could you build a flying machine where the trap doors are attached on either side of a single line of slime/honey blocks? I know each flying machine would then be smaller because of the push limit, but it would solve some of the issues here.

Very cool!

Am I the only person who bursted out to laughters when ilmango first sent the minecarts flying and see them get caught by the flying machine

Instead of looping the same hopper minecart around to the back side of the flying machine, what if you dispense a 2nd hopper minecart from above directly onto the trapdoors and launch the flying machine again immediately after it arrives. If the flying machine is constantly going back and forth the bamboo won’t get too high.

I think it should be possible to reverse the blade by pulling down the trapdoors and slime/honey blocks just at the right moment while the machine is still moving: The machine approaches the station with trapdoors first, then honey/slime blocks. Have a line of pistons below the machine to move down the trapdoors. Let the machine move a bit over the trapdoors such that we can have a second line of pistons that moves down the slime/honey blocks directly behind the trapdoors. This should now have reversed the blade and it can just be pushed up again after the machine has fully passed. The minecarts here would also be still in position

8:54 I can hear his brain working

I wonder about doubling up the amount of flying machines so that you can have the trapdoors on either side of the same slime/honey blocks. This way there is no chance of the pesky bamboo growth in between the harvesting rows. The only complication would be the engine itself, since the trapdoors would have to go on the other end it which would be a couple blocks from the harvesting sweepers. You'd have to break the mine carts on both sides and delay dispensing some of them so that they are all synced up somehow. Seems complicated and requires alternating modules, but the lag reduction would be worth it, imo.

If you wanted to be extremely lag efficient you could have the harvester be single sided. Drop the minecarts onto rails below and send them back once more while the harvester returns to pick up the straggling item entities

10:34 the 73 included the ones that you just unloaded

If you were to stack flying minhines on top of eachother so there is a wall of minecarts? Wall moves from top to bottom so any missed falls in the carts below

You could do mud and then have a flying machine below it with hopper minecarts picking items up

Hey Ilmango, have you ever thought about streaming your Creations? i would love to see your thought process during designing and executing your farms.

10:30 It would be less than 73 item entities, you teleported the items from the mincart unloader too I think

with a bamboo farm of that size, it would just be able to supply 105 furnaces with fuel if both ran constantly

Thanks for the awesome content!

7:40 satisfying.

Was trying to improve that thing by basically covering the open area of the flying machine with glass to prevent the bamboo growth... Tho, I encountered some strange issues. Namely, the amount of items collected seems far less than what you have because a large amount sticks to the ground or on the flying machine itself. Next are items completely destroyed. They aren't dropped into the water stream but just deleted by the lava cauldron. Minecarts stay completely fine tho. Perhaps this is a change in 22w19a? That's the version I was using here.

I feel like it must be possible to just put trapdoors on both sides of the blades. The push limit would allow for 4-wide blades instead of 6-wide.

I swear ilmango does not sleep

I really like the intro

A good solution will be a second flying machine placed below the dirt collecting the bamboo. This can solve the sync issues and reduce lag

It could be interesting to make one flying machine above ground to break the bamboo and another one below ground with the minecarts to harvest everything. This could be the best of both worlds.

Ilmango you can place string on top of the bamboo to make it 3 blocks only.

Would it be possible to fill the gap between the two sweepers so that bamboo can't grow in between them? Would take more blocks/resources but would mean less items on the ground

Could you create some kind of plate between the two flying-machine parts, so that everything harvested from the front one stays on the machine until the back one catches up? You‘d need more engines to push more blocks, but maybe you could use it somehow

I wouldn‘t wonder if docm would use it in his next episode

Ilmango, I have an idea for an improvement of the farm. Checkerboard pattern farm, with hoppers and bamboo. Basically every bamboo stem surrounded by four hoppers and half the lag (and resources, yes) then the hoppers can either lead down into hopper minecarts below the mud riding on flying machines/rails or rows or rows of pointed hoppers to a collection system. It would be worth doing calculation for a (Items per hour) / (milliseconds lag) "rate" that the farm makes and compared that rate to today's farm design. At least for laggy farms.

I think the best solution for a bamboo farm would be the 4 way u made a while ago with a smart minecart system below

Can we combine the two systems? And a slower flying machine. One flying machine on top will go and harvest, another flying machine below the dirt carrying the minecarts. Two of them would run synchronized, so as soon as one row is cut, it'll be collected by the minecart below. Might have to run both flying machines at half speed to make sure they collect all items. Its a nice design challenge, though in reality a bonemeal based bamboo farm would be more realistic.

Theoretically it should be possible to: -use a single blade -pull it off the flying machine -pull the trapdoors off the blade -reattach them on the other side of the blade and finally -move the blade to the other side of the flying machine I would not be surprised if the piston process required to do this would cause more lag than it would save, I don't know how the different lag sources compare, but it should be possible, even if unneccecarily complex.

ilmango you are genius

Just a thought, what about making the bamboo flier only have a break arm above, and handle all the pickup with a looped over under reaching arm?

Mango, just a quick thought. Can you have unloaders at both ends and only send the flying machine one way, wait 2 or 4 minutes, then send it back? Im curious how much this might help the lag over the course of an hour.

Great

What about lifint the flying machine up a couple blocks before sending them back? And then lowering it again before cutting all the glass. You would only need a blade on the front that way

God damn, that minecart bounce is sexy

what about 2 flying machines : 1 above and 1 below, you get the advantages of no (other than lag) height limit and very few rails

Potential future Ideal that I don't know the feasibility of: Could you replace the rails under the original farm with a flying machine with mine carts on top of it? It should be possible to pickup items through the dirt, and could minimise item lag if it is launched synchronously with the harvester. You could probably find a way of removing and replacing the mine carts on the bottom flying machine for quick unload and lag reduction.

I started out with the idea of having another flying machine beneath to collect the bamboo on the dirt, but would it be possible to have another flying machine on the inside of the one you have designed to block out where the bamboo could potentially grow? If it's too thin, would it be worth making the engine 4 wide instead so you can fit another flying machine on the inside that moves at the same time