Janeway did ask for a single representative, she even said: "you have done it before with Locutus". So it's not out of character for borg to use a single representative.

Borg had victory “ according to losses on both sides “. Species 8572 lost like 30 ships then went home. I really wouldn’t even say they lost. I’d say they said screw it.

You got to imagine what Species 8472 had to fight in their dimension that led to the creation of such advanced weapons

Anything that got Seven of Nine on screen was brilliant writing.

Am i wrong on this but it seems to me species 8472 wasnt all that bad. They seemed as far as i can see from available information they was peaceful until the Borg invaded their space. They was isolationist yes but stayed in their space and didnt bother anyone. I feel they were merely operating in self-defense from their standpoint. Because of this along with Federation policy they could possibly reach a treaty agreement sometime in the future. Despite some bad mistakes Janeway made. As i said the plot was for Voyager to get home and Janeway was just doing what she felt she had to do to get back home as safely as possible.

I believe prior to encountering Voyager, the Borg looked back to one race they encountered before that held a key to victory against Species 8472. It was Species 5618 or Humans. Hence the second Battle of Sector 001.

Species 8472/Undine vs The Dominion. A new dream match.

Devore preferring to 8472 at the Pinnacle of biological evolution is a good insight into the Borg perspective if you will. After all they already believe that Perfection is not only knowable, but achievable. One non-sequitur deserves another. Also I think the word you're looking for with seven of nine is proxy. It's very similar to the function that Locutus was created to serve.

The episode does a pretty good job of explaining why they used 7 of 9 to communicate between the Borg and Voyager. Using her would make communication more efficient since she was linked directly to the collective and the Voyager crew could communicate in a way they were accustomed to - person to person...not person to collective. It's really not confusing at all if you know much about Star Trek and pay attention.

The problem with this is, its arguable whether or not Janeway actually gave the Borg the nano technology. Seven of nine did have access to it, but to what extent. Did the doctor actually give her the tech specs? they don't really say . Seven also communicated with the Borg, but did she relay the tech in the short time she had communication with the Borg--if she even had the knowledge to give. Also, the nano technology developed by Voyager was not to assimilate it was to destroy, so it couldn't have been used to assimilate Species 8472. Later on when Voyager meets up with Species 8472, they don't seem to be angry or vengeful. If the Borg were assimilating or killing off Species 8472, I doubt they would have been so nice to Voyager or the people on earth--considering Species 8472 had spies on earth. Species 8472 could have beaten the Federation if they wanted to, but they clearly didn't. Voyager, the tv show, also end with the Borg being very similar to how they have always been. One would assume that if the Borg assimilated Species 8472 they would look radically different to reflect the acquisition of the highly advance bio tech Species 8472 had. More likely Janeway's plan worked. The destruction of several Bio Ships was enough to make Species 8472 reconsider its invasion of our galaxy. Janeway then gave Species 8472 the nano tech, which they can use to create a defense against the Borg.

Pity this leaves out the episode of species 8472 when they are working on simulating Star Fleet personal some of their officers and a Gardener that maintained the plants at Star Fleet Academy. They make a station and have a simulated version of Star Fleet Head Quarters. Captain Janway and her crew come in and later when Chico-ta gets found out and captured, in the end voyager and species 8472 work on a peaceful solution. Species 8472 became the galaxies best role players. Just a few injections to help them keep this human form and they were off!

Just shows why Janeway is best Star Trek Villian.

Janeway, destroyer of hope

At 3:15, I think the word you are looking for is liaison. Maybe?

0:25 Not IRL, but it's clear that despite how how it works in reality, it's clear that evolution in Star Trek works by improving life to some sort of end goal.

If Species 8472 invaded the Alpha/Beta quadrant, how would those forces have fared? As I understand despite the brute force nature of the Borg, there was no way for them to adapt because they couldn't assimilate any of the Undine or their technology. Voyager alone with 1 encounter was able to. Just imagine if that kind of knowledge was shared amongst the Klingons and Romulans in the event of a mass invasion by Species 8472 onto the Alpha and Beta quadrant powers.

I always wondered, how did the Borg learn of the fluidic space, considering, that it is a whole nother dimension. Did they assimilate a wandering gekli or what?

why was Species 8472 running around naked!?! When they are so advanced. They did not even look like they carried weapons. Just slashed, Which of course worked. But you think an such an advance species would have to back up. Just in case.

Imagine Borg with Undine\Cyborg ships.

I wonder if better name should have been given than species 8472. Like say something epic like Solusians (at least for me) for example (I came up with this name). Any ideas?

3:20 The word is liaison

the writers admitted the BORG casualty numbers were actually in the 10's of billions of DRONES or more and THOUSANDS of SHIPS up to or more than 25 planets

Yeah perfection is not really what 8472 are. But I can see why the Borg would be so bent on assimilating them. The organic part of the Borg is their weakest part. We have seen bio weapons used against the Borg and drones regaining their individuality through interacting with other organics. So it's quite logical that the Borg would like to add new bio tech to the collective.

species 8472 was my fav voyager topic. i'm mostly just star trek tng and original fan. are there any other episodes of anything featuring this species?

3:12 7 of 9 was nothing but *interface* between collective and Discovery.

7 of 9 was a representative of the Borg. Because Janeway refused to have a neuron transmitter stuck to her. So she threaten to end the alliance.

When the Borg say the pinnacle of life they could mean the best they have ever encountered, also Species 8472, not only defeated nanites, but also other biological lifeforms, it's easy to see why they valued them so much, also I guess there could be an end-point in evolution where you are able to deal with any eventuality, which is what evolution is all about adapting to change.

Captain Janeway: Helping Delay the Inevitable by Being Both the Saviour and Destroyer of Borg. She really got around. There's an idea for a theory. WHAT would have happened to the Delta/Alpha quadrants if Species 8472 had succeeded in defeating the Borg. Would they have left afterwards, or gone onwards to destroy everything in sight?

January had only one option. they developed nanotechnology to destroy 8473 but you had no weapon against the Borg she had no option no leverage and nothing I would expect her to do what she did as a captain to save her crew

@1:53 And that one fact is what has always bugged me about the episode of Voyager where one of them was apparently being hunted by the Hirogen, they did nothing to explain how in the world the Hirogen got the upper hand on a vessel with that sort of tech. I actually laughed when I first saw that episode air.

This leads interest question why in Star Trek voyager Here and After no talk about Special 8472 when would aim to destory all life in Galaxy. Only thoeries come up is either Borg more luckly or Special 8472 much easily to be defeat.

Wasn't the eight planers and few million drones just the losses from sector 010? Imagine the greater numbers through the entire collective...

Happy New Year to all! Make 2018 a great year. Keep a smile on your face and hope in your heart.

Species 8472 seem to be the star trek copy of the Vorlon and shadows from b5 put into 1

i know this might seem stupid but where is the discord link?

Why would they ally with the Borg against the Undine instead of ally with the Undine against the Borg?

to think if voyager didn't have a freak accident and ended up in the delta quadrant or was destroyed at any point before this, the borg would've been wiped out. and possibly the whole galaxy unless a substitute for the borg nanobot weapon could be made

Can you please do one on the Orion syndicate?

BOR(IN)G were asking for trouble and received it in ABUNDANCE......... I`d call it instant karma.... ;-)

“Pinnacle”? Or for god sakes the BORG were being general for the sake of dealing with the humans. Would you prefer? “The Collective has never encountered a species as evolved to the point of their near-perfection. We have analyzed all available data and determined the risk is acceptable” -said in Collective voice.

AncientSubHunter is that you?

All you needed was a Tesla Frequency destruction machine no more fluid 8472 species goodnight , everything has a weakness.....

Thanks for vidz.

1:10 "Unfortunately, Borg couldn't assimilate/defeat them"... What a hell are you talking about? Unfortunately?

Can some one direct me to what episode this was with the borg and 8472

Happy new year. See you next time on the next video

Could Seven have been an avatar, sort of like a mouthpiece for the collective rather than an individual? It's also possible she was modified to have an uncommon degree of independent thought, a quasi-queen, to better handle the process and the eventual attempted backstabbing. Well, that's me.

So Zerg, Tyranids, xenomorph, thingy.

She was a transfer, not an emissary.

Undine - Yea or Nay?

the borg being the borg would....... abuse the new tech and keep on trucking...

2018 prediction: Lore Reloaded breaks 30k subs.

Currently on a run through of voyager.... and it occurs to me how useless harry is as an officer. I reference the time his refusing to follow orders and not report the big scary fucking alien thing moving towards him, and then even when the drones are running away.... says nothing. first that anyone knows there is a danger is that kes's diana skills "save the day"... cant help think how first contact between the undine/8472 would have gone without voyager looking complicit with the borg... i used to feel sorry for harry being ernsign all the way through... but he fucks up way way too much to go anywhere. think of it... 8472s beef was with the borg... voyager (federation) helped the borg find a way to resist them... other episodes like the dauntless one and the 8472 starfleet recreation show that their beef was with the borg... the borg are around because of harry... he started the whole mis understanding with 8472 by being a useless... ensign.

Biology has a constant pinnacle. As of today we are the pinnacle of current human evolution and we will continue to advance

in real life, lol Borg unlikely not able to adapt... When the Borg sphere showed up game was over.. Yet 8472 living in their own space, and who knows who else is there..

I always assumed 7 of 9 was a speaker, like Locutus.

And during that war the Borg sent one cube to attack Earth and travel to the past with a Borg Queen. So Voyager wasn't the Borg's first choice.

One caviar to you comments in the beginning of born 8472 ships… a cube could take out a bioship if it was willing to kamikaze directly into the bioship, I would assume even a sphere could achieve the same result given its power generating capabilities including it slipstream drive

Haven't seen you since last year

So we are in the bone universe and 8473 was in the lymph node universe. Who will be in the 7-11, 8 hour old, hot dog universe.

"Liaison"? ;-)

It's too bad that you repeated scenes from Star Trek: Voyager, rather than keeping them in sync with what you were telling us. Still, good video.

Species 8472 have the right idea of how to interract with the Borg - hit them in the face repeatedly and with great vigor, while keeping all your toys to yourself.

I dont recall Borg actually acquiring that technology, maybe you made a mistake.

7 never made sure the collective got the data on how to modify the nanoprobes the borg never did however 8472 retreated largly due to the fear of the federation whom they didn't understand

Pick your poison, Species 8572 or Borg. Choose.

Dominion >> Borg(Janeway era)

This is another example why Janeway was the biggest hypocrite of them all and didn't deserve to keep wearing that uniform even less promoted after they got back. Excuse me but is there some part of the contract when you join SF that says "you will be going out to explore the VAST unexplored universe filled with unimaginable forces and dangers... But no harm will ever come to you, you will always be able to talk to earth at the flip of a switch, and 3-4 week trip away from Earth at any moment (unless plot calls for it and make it 3-4 days with the PLOT DRIVE), and you will only explore the Alpha quadrant". If the universe should happen to void any of this conditions and you start feeling uncomfortable and home sick on your powerful city size starship then your captain has all the right to do WTF she wants to get you back "exploring" the A Q asap prime directive be dammed, if she makes a deal with an evil enemy that has killed billions, than its OK if this shaves 2 years of your trip. And if you're part of the caps possy she can even go back in time to save your ass because death while performing your duty only counts if u die in the A Q. " I imagine that hypothetical SF contract was only in Janeways hypocritical head, because when everyone else was cought trying to do anything possible to get home that didn't fit her moral code at the moment was a terrible monster that needed to be tortured and executed right!

Ahh, Geez, really. This is your life... ?

When I saw the Borg killing aliens on Voyager, I was like "Awesome. Janeway could make an alliance with them and end the Borg scourge." Badda-boom-badda-bing she allied with the Borg. WTF? My friend who was watching the show with me said: "Remember what you said, better the devil you know." I told him that the Borg probably started it. I guess Star Trek writers wanted infinite problems to keep stories going.

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