MLM: Are make-up empires exploiting mums? BBC Stories

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5 жыл бұрын

Journalist Ellie Flynn goes undercover to investigate a multi-billion pound online selling industry that mostly targets young women with the opportunity to earn big money. The phenomenon known as 'multi-level marketing' is sweeping across social media as beautiful 'influencers' post job adverts offering the chance of six-figure incomes in return for selling products online. But as Ellie digs deeper into two companies, Younique and Nu Skin, she uncovers a darker side behind these enticing Instagram posts. In search of answers and accountability from these billion-dollar companies, Ellie's investigation takes her all the way to Utah, USA, and the heart of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - the Mormons - where many of these companies are based.
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@jmz1927 5 жыл бұрын

We used to call these “Pyramid Schemes”

@twylabobette2012 5 жыл бұрын

Pyramid schemes are a type of MLM, I believe

@shealtielanthony4667 5 жыл бұрын

@@twylabobette2012 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iah3maucnpe6op8.html Plz watch this...

@ericstormdragon3534 5 жыл бұрын

Then there is our beloved Congress. and things like Social Unsecurity.

@colormecaptivated 5 жыл бұрын

They're legally different. To be called a pyramid scheme, the business model must be for the top level to intentionally and primarily make their money from membership fees or incentives to sign up other members. If they're selling a product and the profit comes from the product, a MLM can't be called a pyramid scheme. In practice though, and as this investigation covers, a lot of the "sold product" is actually bought by the sellers instead of customers, and higher-ups get a lot of kickbacks for signing people up under them. A lot of MLMs will sue people/programs that call them pyramid schemes unless they've been ruled a pyramid scheme in court.

@lNFINlTEx 5 жыл бұрын

@@colormecaptivated Having a product is just a way to jump through the legal loophole of how pyramid schemes are defined. Its sad.

@elgavilan7731 5 жыл бұрын

When it’s too risky to share your identity, you know you’re in a cult.

@TheTuesday11 5 жыл бұрын

OR Your into DRAMA, and looking to blame someone else for your utter failings!

@ashleynoneofyobusiness1759 5 жыл бұрын

TheTuesday11 lol are you bored?

@truth.speaker 5 жыл бұрын

Are you saying that any tech worker is actually in a cult? They don't feel comfortable talking out against their employer publicly. What worker does? I don't believe in Mormonism, but this seems a biased show

@kathie9823 5 жыл бұрын

@@truth.speaker You must not have LDS Church members in your family. Truth is the LDS Church is a MLM religion.

@kitapita 5 жыл бұрын

I have done Younique and Mary Kay. I haven't had the personal experiences I've heard in this video

@muskreality 5 жыл бұрын

That's why Norway restricts any business that has a model of recruiting other individuals to do over 50% of the sales.

@Liz-sc3np 5 жыл бұрын

Isaiah Lali Always the Scandinavian countries with the sanity.

@czarpeppers6250 5 жыл бұрын

It is amazing how common sense that is, yet if you tried that shit in North America you would have people screaming about how Stalin's ghost is taking over the country.

@shay708 5 жыл бұрын

Go Norway and Finland

@Fake_Disciple 4 жыл бұрын

Don’t fall for these countries “perfection” they have crazy high of unmasked depression

@Amy_Stanmore 4 жыл бұрын

Are you serious? Then can you explain to me the mlm Norwex. No one is talking about this one. Its literally from there. "Norway Experience".

@edricklawrenceong7776 5 жыл бұрын

“MLM” is just a new fancy way of saying Pyramid Scheme

@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver 5 жыл бұрын

@@Sputterbugz how is calling it a pyramid scheme ghetto?

@bigblackkid1019 5 жыл бұрын

@@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver r/woooosh

@dx1450 5 жыл бұрын

The phrase "pyramid scheme" got a negative connotation, so they changed to "multilevel marketing" to make it sound better. Now MLM has a negative connotation, so many MLM's don't use that term and instead call it "network marketing." What's even funnier is how some of them are trying to get away from the pyramid model and are now using the "snowflake" model. But it's still the same old pyramid, they just shifted some of the points on the diagram around.

@Thinkforyourselves64 5 жыл бұрын

Those at the bottom are being used to keep those at the top rich. They’re only your friend while you’re making them money. Not one minute longer.

@doraschmora4887 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly my experience of MLM.

@TheTuesday11 5 жыл бұрын

Then climb to the top, no one is stopping them but themselves

@GotWrackspurts 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTuesday11 that's not how it works. You will literally run out of people to recruit, even quicker for a make up mlm since around half of adults dont wear it

@mevolander8478 5 жыл бұрын

@@GotWrackspurts that is the great lie of capitalism

@JoyMTravelandAllchannel 4 жыл бұрын

Linda Hanson I had a fall out with a girl from the church who befriended me only to sell her products and stop talking to me when I cancel the membership

@ericnelson6725 5 жыл бұрын

Military wives are also notorious for getting suckered into this.

@m0L3ify 5 жыл бұрын

And yoga instructors. I haven't met a yoga instructor yet that wasn't selling Dotera or Herbalife

@nancyv3498 5 жыл бұрын

Nobody gets “suckered in”. You make your own decision after hopefully doing your homework first.

@m0L3ify 5 жыл бұрын

@@nancyv3498 That's ideal, but sadly not how cults work. I just saw a High School friend of mine get sucked in to one recently and she's extremely smart. We were in AP classes together, she has a thriving dental practice and is quite successful, but somehow didn't even know that Rodan + Fields used to be owned by Estee Lauder when it was sold in department stores, so she's clearly not done any homework on the company at all. Whatsoever. She's just buying all the propaganda hook line and sinker from the overly enthusiastic crowd of sycophantic "upline distributors" that has surrounded her and drowned everything else out. I can only hope she comes to her senses before she loses too much money on it.

@yelircaasi 5 жыл бұрын

Eric Nelson My mom's a Mormon military wife, so I'm pretty relieved she never fell for these.

@adulthumanfemale420 5 жыл бұрын

Isaac Riley i was mormon and grew up on a military base. so many of the people in that church were pushing mlms. when you fall for one cult it’s easy to get suckered into another

@mspolicecall 5 жыл бұрын

I had a friend who is largely involved with Lula roe. As soon as the debit card was swiped she stopped talking to me before i even left her home. After this experience, i swore off all mlm friends.

@babagooey7835 5 жыл бұрын

C Howard Vice actually made a video about them, check it out it’s super unsettling

@aprylspage5852 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like all the components of an abusive relationship

@lostboyzrambo801 5 жыл бұрын

mormonism or MLM's? cuz yes

@carolinammajp11 2 жыл бұрын

@@lostboyzrambo801 I STUDIED YEARS AGO BIBLE WITH JEHOVAH WITNESSES FOR A YEAR AND WAS CUSTOMER AND REP FOR A WHILE DURING CERTAIN TIME FOR AVON AND ORIFLAME LEFT IT BECAUSE IS LIKE A CULT ONLY WANT YOU TO MAKE SALES AND VISITING PLACES TO LEAVE THE CATALOGUES WITH YOUR CODE AND PHONE NUMBRE IF DON´T MAKE SALES OR HAVE CONTACTS THEN CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. I NEVER BOUGHT ANY AGAIN SINCE THAT.

@bigblackkid1019 5 жыл бұрын

I thought it was mlm meant Moms Losing Money

@eurekamreum5458 4 жыл бұрын

Men Loving Men lol

@esakinkero 4 жыл бұрын

Many Losing Money

@ephiz23 3 жыл бұрын

Me Like Moneee Meth Lubed Missile Meet Lure Mangle

@aspackblaze3583 3 ай бұрын

Mormons losing money

@areox27 5 жыл бұрын

Hey BBC, can you please change your ad settings? There was literally an ad for an MLM for this video.

@sarar3385 5 жыл бұрын

KZfaq Member ads are generally personalized, from my understanding, from your google account. So, for example, if you search for dog toys on google, chances are you will get ads for them here. Clear out your settings in your account as well as any cookies/history in your browser and it will go back to being just random. If you have a gmail account, you can check your settings from there very easily. Not sure if you can do it from the KZfaq settings. It pertains to the setting that asks if google can track you.

@sammyisanoctopus 5 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, the organizations placing the ads can also specify what for what target market and what kind of videos their ads run on.

@ChiBiMo 5 жыл бұрын

That happens on every video I watch about MLMs, even on the reddit post videos for r/anti-mlm

@alyssahansen1400 5 жыл бұрын

I believe advertisers set their ads to be displayed before/during videos that may be related to the product. Dunno how they judge that but I imagine it is through the title. I dunno, I didn't get an ad this time.

@richrich981 5 жыл бұрын

aha its a good think at least they are paying for a vid criticising them

@MrsMoonify 5 жыл бұрын

My therapist's office is right across the street from the Younique HQ. I've always wondered about those giant creepy faces on the windows...haha

@rainepanda 5 жыл бұрын

I grew up mormon and I left a few years back. I honestly am shocked at how those who could claim to have such wholesome religious beliefs and practices could prey on young families. It is something I witnessed repeatedly when I lived in Idaho. The church is not directly affiliated with these companies but they NEVER discuss it. They don't discourage it and allow members to continually fall victim to other predatory LDS members. The LDS church is organized to feel like a tight knit community so these people truly trust the MLMs because they are associated with the church. It's terrible.

@parukrishnan 4 жыл бұрын

I have wondered about this too..

@motivationnation4911 5 жыл бұрын

I was with an MLM for years and nearly lost my marriage because of it. They make you feel guilty when you lose your rank and make you feel like your not good enough. I lived my life on social media and devoted so much time to recruiting recruiting recruiting that sucked up time from my young kids. Late nights and early mornings. I was in a constant state of anxiety of what to post next. Getting rid of social media and my business was the best decision I have ever made. Relationships with my kids and spouse far outweigh my rank and how many ‘friends’ I had on social media.

@prncessbaby16 4 жыл бұрын

Do you all actually believe in what you're selling?

@sithlordhibiscus9936 3 жыл бұрын

NEVER let a potential employer know you're desperate for a job, even if you're to the point where you would literally work anywhere. If it's an MLM or financial sales position, they'll exploit your temporary vulnerability and if they're legit, they'll be turned off bc the insinuation is that you're not good at your job, thus can't get hired. So, be (truthfully) confident, even if you're faking it and always let them *think* that you have offers you're sitting on.

@thefrozengoat 5 жыл бұрын

The KZfaq ad I had to watch before this was LITERALLY an ad for an MLM...

@NoName-zi9st 5 жыл бұрын

If they don't spell out the job role clearly, I'm not involved. I know it's some kind of scam, they even have jobs like this on the job sites, *no experience needed, training given* but no clear breakdown of the job, that is always a big red flag to me.

@ArtTasticCreations 5 жыл бұрын

MLMs should be illegal, honestly. I don't understand how they get away with the things they do.

@snflwrchan8019 4 жыл бұрын

They are illegal once they reach a certain percentage (varies by country) in which they earn more in recruiting than sales but what they do to get away with it is they put manipulate their numbers to make it look like they earn more in selling than recruiting. Another illegal thing to do but no ones launching a huge investigation to look into these MLMs so they dont get caught

@sheenaquintero5395 4 жыл бұрын

Because it's legal. The system is legit and it's profitable but it's also because of this that people take advantage of this and run a company in a guise of MLM but are actually more focused on recruitment that selling the product.

@incisive2641 3 жыл бұрын

Easy. Bribe people in power, lawmakers.

@JennieGarciaN 2 жыл бұрын

@@incisive2641 Yep! You should listen to The Dream Podcast. But the gist is the Devos Family who created Amway were friends with Ford and the Reagan. They donate a lot of money to the Republican party and many Democrats so they made rules so Amway wouldn’t get sued and if they let Amway do it, why not others?

@edwarddobson7039 Жыл бұрын

@@incisive2641 ohh absolutely Nixon was gonna shut them down: however, they contributed a lot of money into Gerald Ford’s campaign and that was why they were not shut down

@almstreet9777 5 жыл бұрын

I’m really glad that the criticism of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was focused on the culture and not the doctrine. As an active member, I have many problems with “Mormon culture”. I enjoy watching videos talking about different aspects of my religion but most of the criticisms I end up seeing are directed towards the doctrine and not the culture (which is usually the reason for the criticism).

@almstreet9777 4 жыл бұрын

Josephine Bournes I agree. It is important to think critically about the things you believe in and how/where you got those beliefs. At the time of my comment, I was trying to find videos criticizing the culture of my church but the only videos I could find were centered around the doctrine. It was very frustrating for me. When I showed my appreciation of this video, that frustration was channeled into “defending” the doctrine I believe in. I didn’t intend to make it seem like the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is something that shouldn’t be criticized but I understand how my phrasing would lead you to that conclusion.

@janepurcell6747 4 жыл бұрын

MLM's often target young mothers at home precisely because they're a bit vulnerable and lonely.

@lolaispure4296 2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! i know first hand!

@janepurcell6747 2 жыл бұрын

@@lolaispure4296 I hope you got out. x

@daveharrison84 5 жыл бұрын

Hello. My name is Elder Price. And I would like to share with you this most amazing makeup.

@LilySaintSin 5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Best comment!

@janek6328 5 жыл бұрын

More like elder Cunningham with all the lies 😉

@indiajessierocks 5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@AChickandaDuck 5 жыл бұрын

Perfection

@sarahhumphreys3980 4 жыл бұрын

"Make up a contact list of everyone you know and contact them about xyd" 😂😂😂yeah right!!!

@itsHeatherKay 5 жыл бұрын

Some people are so trusting. It’s unfortunate that they get into situations that make them uncomfortable.

@janajana8243 5 жыл бұрын

Trust? It's greed and stupidity.

@brightsidexchoke 5 жыл бұрын

I used to work in the corporate office for one of these MLMs, and whatever the lady said in the car @9:02 is true. I'm so glad I only worked there for a year. Bunch of lies and lies to the consumers!

@estycki 5 жыл бұрын

I worked at one for just one month. It was actually brand new, and because everyone starting it was quite wealthy they never showed up to work. I was literally in this white empty office space for weeks not sure what I should be working on. It quickly occurred to me that they had no clue how to work together to get a complex project done, they were all from a sales background, claiming they were entrepreneurs.

@awh79 5 жыл бұрын

I'm endlessly disgusted with these schemes. I've been unemployed and seeking for half a year now. Every time I come on KZfaq I'm shown those ridiculous adverts with awful men sitting in front of Lamborghinis telling me how easy it is to make a four figure income.

@estycki 5 жыл бұрын

I hate it when I'm looking for a job and someone approaches me with an "opportunity." A few rounds of wasting my time with these meetings shrouded in mystery (they don't tell you the name or the product or what you'll actually be doing) only to find out it's Amway... so disgusting and infuriating - I am so skeptical whenever anyone even mentions inviting me to a party/meeting/business presentation.

@hotdogmakemehappy7337 5 жыл бұрын

Even worse, some are using green screen background and snapchat formula with a bottom text

@kristyklaws3925 5 жыл бұрын

Esther Batycki wow that sounds familiar.. sad but true and even after 3 meetings with the potential “business partner “ won’t tell u what it is.. have to be open minded and willing to learn and be mentored etc. lol then tell u what book u should read. It’s very cult like and in no way a real business. Found out in the end that Amway was the distributor however I’d make money off of networking!! Lol if I’m not selling but recruiting it’s a scam. Poor young girl had been involved for 2 years and was completely brainwashed.. I ended up sending her a long message and hope she’d find away out before it’s too late

@mrblackalchemist 4 жыл бұрын

@@estycki yep very predatory.

@prncessbaby16 4 жыл бұрын

@@estycki it always starts off like "are you tired of working a 9-5 and want to retire early/ set your own hours? I met this couple and"(blah blah blah) like at least get a different speech.

@hottnessfarra 5 жыл бұрын

Its pretty much reinforced by the economy. Really good childcare is like 1,400 to 2,000 a month. Moms I know that are single and married are having a rough time with trying to raise a child and work. Its really hard.

@Isabella66Gracen 5 жыл бұрын

Mary Kay cosmetics, and Amway are the original MLMs. They are not based in Utah. All MLMs hurt relationships, so many of those who have really succeeded do not sell to family. These can make a lot of money for people who are truly gifted salesmen/women, but for the average person it's a financial Black hole waiting to happen. And don't kid yourself...women who are really successful in these businesses are NOT staying at home with their kids. They are working their backsides off 24/7!

@MWDFrancis 5 жыл бұрын

Member of the Church here - LDS - and it’s heartbreaking to see something as evil as MLM originate and thrive among my people.

@-biki- 5 жыл бұрын

Former member living in SLC: I agree. I almost got sucked into one right out of high school and they preyed on people in vulnerable situations. They wanted us to make cash commitments before we left. I served a mission afterwards and i now realize they were using SO many phrases people would hear in religious contexts, only applied to the MLM. When i refused to pay that night, they got my best friend's dad to come in and basically bear his testimony... for the MLM. There was one woman who had just divorced and was left with nothing, poor and devastated. They had her hook line and sinker. I still think about her. They're using familiar language people hear in church and I'm convinced that's a big reason why a lot of people fall for it here. They prey on their trusting faithful nature. I think a lot of the people doing the pressuring really believe it too. It's really sad/devious, but you can only really recognize that if you're not suckered into one.☹️

@AlexanderGeorge 4 жыл бұрын

You're the mlm for imaginary friends

@Ragnark1 4 жыл бұрын

No, you need to admit that this comes as no shock. I too am LDS, served a mission, and attended BYU. The mindset of impressing people by one's divine favor informed by hordes of wealth and a large house is all-to firmly imprinted on contemporary LDS culture.

@iuliaionelapetcu1411 3 жыл бұрын

You are the member of a cult.

@Damremont18 5 жыл бұрын

Individuals in MLM almost never make money. the people who make the money are those who sell the distributor starter kits and there seems to be no shortage of suckers lining up for these promises of riches. Mormons are trained to pitch a product. One of the most important parts of that training is to accept rejection because a person's success in pitching is proportionate to their ability to accept rejection. They learn this when the peddle their religion door to door.

@blackvulture6818 5 жыл бұрын

According to some statistics, even gambling is more profitable than MLM

@filmmakerdude 5 жыл бұрын

I worked in for corporate for an MLM company, I had access to privileged information. How much the leaders were implying they were earning v's actual earnings were a difference of about 10 times. I also witness this same lie with other companies that I was a distributor for. I was a MLM leader in one company not making much money and I was honest about it, my direct sponsor told me off and said its none of their business as they look up to me and dont need to know the truth, he was also one that implied his income was way greater than reality

@emilyheyboer1931 5 жыл бұрын

Daryl Young a lot of them show their checks.. do they fake those?

@filmmakerdude 5 жыл бұрын

@@emilyheyboer1931 This is what they do, they show their highest check, which is usually their first months check (since they had a prelaunch and had months leading up to it and then they all join and the first month is the largest) mind you its actually illegal to do so according to the FTC, they cant lure people in to the business by money - yeah I know they all do. One guy I worked with for 17 years, over the course of over 10 years he made an accumulation of 1 Million which is pretty good, but this is how he uses this in his conversations, he says "When I made my first million yadda yaddda yadda.." Thus insinuating he has made more millions thereafter - he still uses this line today even though he currently make less than minimal wage if he was getting paid hourly. Same with people who show their largest check, they say something to the effect, "Now this is when I only earned this much a year ago, you can only imagine what it is today" insinuating larger checks

@TheTuesday11 5 жыл бұрын

Daryl Young is that any different then doing a good cleaning of your house before company arrives? Of course we all put our “best foot forward” that’s human nature.

@filmmakerdude 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTuesday11 putting your best foot forward is very different, indicating a false narrative to imply that youre earning more money than you are is just plain lying = fraud = deceptive marketing = not being truthful = dishonest If you want to try to justify lying go ahead, my integrity wont allow it, if you have low standards thats up to you, but I'll leave you with a promise, you will never ever become one of the 2% that makes a lot of money, and if you do with low standards like that, you wont stay there for long, you will have to be deceptive your whole career and then the walls will one day come crashing down around you. I have seen it time and time again, those leaders you look up to are struggling and stressing behind the scenes, you have to learn to smell the BS otherwise youre going to be one of their victims ll your life. lets revisit this conversation after 15 years and youre still no further ahead. Watch what you say to people you recruit, youre going to catch yourself justifying lies all the time - good luck

@estycki 5 жыл бұрын

@@emilyheyboer1931 I've seen them too and I laugh. One showed me a cheque for $1000 so I asked sorry and how much was the profit after your costs of buying these products, driving around having meetings and presentations? I run a small business too, not super successful or anything, but I am not impressed.

@paulboardman01 5 жыл бұрын

saw full version, a very good report, just goes to show its all about recruiting and not selling

@filmmakerdude 5 жыл бұрын

oh theres a full version? how do I find it?

@paulboardman01 5 жыл бұрын

@@filmmakerdude bbc3 iplayer

@pinkpink-kb6dl 5 жыл бұрын

When mlm is a common term for pyramid schemes and also gay male relationships and I have no clue what this video is about but I know its juicy either way lol

@AM-kr4pv 5 жыл бұрын

It's also short for marxist-leninist-maoist!

@mevolander8478 5 жыл бұрын

@@AM-kr4pv im 90% sure you have no idea what any of those actaully are

@AM-kr4pv 5 жыл бұрын

@@mevolander8478 ... What a weird claim. I'm gay myself and a leftist, I am around enough people who use those terms on the daily. I'm just curious how you felt you could deduce my knowledge level from a six word sentence in which nothing I say is actually factually incorrect.

@llamasugar5478 5 жыл бұрын

MLMs, predatory in general, specifically prey on two vastly different groups: 1) extremely tight-knit communities (e.g., Mormons, Hispanics) 2) lonely, isolated individuals (e.g., new moms, military wives) I’ve gotten sucked into my share of MLMs-mostly in my early thirties-but the thing that saved me was that I knew I sucked at getting people to spend money they didn’t have. When I realized that was required for success, I was outta there. Just couldn’t do it.

@GregorSamsa000 11 ай бұрын

older teenagers as well, ones who have motivation and ambitions. They trick them into believeing that that can make a lot of money

@fieldvole 5 жыл бұрын

i thought it was MLM as in men loving men hsadkjashdhsdh

@lenblack1462 5 жыл бұрын

More Lost Money.

@nocreativename 5 жыл бұрын

Len Black 🤣🤣🤣

@ahorsenamedcelty9505 5 жыл бұрын

Moms losing money is what I thought it was

@m0L3ify 5 жыл бұрын

I used to have Mormon neighbors in the 80's that sold Amway. Seems like they always had more Amway products in their garage than they actually sold

@bob15479 5 жыл бұрын

MLM thrives any tight-knit community. They are very prevalent in the Latin American community. I think what some people don't realize is *just* how tight-knight the church community is. (I'm a member.) You *instantly* trust other members of the church. We are more than a church, in many ways we are a nation as we developed in relative isolation in the mountain west. There are simply few groups that are so tight knit, trusting, and collectivistic.

@mevolander8478 5 жыл бұрын

Thats because mormons are brainwashed, and therefore incredibly easy to manipulate because the church has been doing the exact same thing their whole lives

@Delight101ful 5 жыл бұрын

I was raised Catholic and the number of MLMs I’ve seen growing throughout the years has made me leave. My mom’s hairdresser invited us to a Tupperware party and the minute the Tupperware representative started talking about “building a team” I was ready to tap out. One of the other ladies at that party even handed me a Mary Kay business card, claiming I could make more money with her than Ms. Tupperware, can you believe it? The Tupperware lady then started hounding me, asking me when I was going to join (I don’t even know how she got a hold of my number) and I just blocked afterwards... the fact the targeted me, a college student, is so disgusting.

@CCMqueretaro 5 жыл бұрын

They are huge here in Mexico. One element I think helps the growth is the popularity of the “tanda”, which is not so different from the image sold by these MLMs

@krisquigley4497 5 жыл бұрын

Why are people so reluctant to listen to their inner voice?

@AmethystEyes 5 жыл бұрын

Kris Quigley because their insecurity screamed louder.

@tired_buthappy 5 жыл бұрын

$$$

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 5 жыл бұрын

Because of "oh you're just being silly there's nothing to it"

@iuliaionelapetcu1411 3 жыл бұрын

Because religion indoctrinates us to supress our intuition.

@chome4 5 жыл бұрын

'Amway' was there back in the day!

@emilyheyboer1931 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah Amway took some of my family :(

@maureene7138 5 жыл бұрын

Amway is still active. They are currently targeting people in their 20s

@TheTuesday11 5 жыл бұрын

Funny you mention that.... my family (which is still in tact) were able to make money with this company. They busted their buns and it worked. Most business work but you must be willing to work hard.

@emilyheyboer1931 5 жыл бұрын

TheTuesday11 depends on if you like that stuff. I didn’t like approaching people in grocery stores or the ideas of going to meetings every week/month or standing in front of crowds pretending my life is amazing

@ahsokatano6361 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTuesday11 are they paying you to reply to all these comments criticism mlm schemes?

@joyfuljaj 5 жыл бұрын

i'm in the US, so I have been bombarded by so many MLM schemes on FB. The most common one is a health supplement company that also just launched skin care (well, last year).. The ambassadors have been posting pics from their national convention. The thing is, despite their new skin care line, they all have tons more wrinkles than I do and many are younger than I am. I feel like posting on FB that they may need to check their photo filters when posting work related pictures...

@sarar3385 5 жыл бұрын

There are also a lot of people working for MLMs that are military spouses (at least in the US). It’s for the same reason that is stated in this video, which is that the spouse feels they should stay at home with the children and they feel it provides a sense of community. I’m just glad my husband is not active duty military and is just reserve because I’d hate to be asked to those stupid parties and events for MLMs under the ruse of just getting together. I feel like it’s not even real sales tactics; it’s just guilting people to get the product so they “fit in” if it’s the newest MLM going around.

@gamezoid1234 5 жыл бұрын

I love how my state is associated with some of the trashiest organizations in the world.

@Ragnark1 4 жыл бұрын

Because LDS culture (NOT DOCTRINE!!!!) has failed its members. Period! Full-stop! Something's got to change!

@utah133 5 жыл бұрын

Having lived in Utah for 60 years, I am very familiar with MLMs. The Mormons are often involved.. Not as an organization but as individuals. Missionary training is sales training. When young men and women complete their two year church missions they often turn to marketing careers or entrepreneurial causes.

@snowboardutah3 5 жыл бұрын

True statement. Before I served my LDS mission I never heard of multi-level marketing growing up in Utah. Then after I served my mission I would get bombarded with people I knew from my ward, high school friends and former companions that would try to convince in working for those multi-level marketing companies even when they say it wasn't. Believe me I'm glad I never signed up for that malarkey.

@zeldadjehuti4790 5 жыл бұрын

@Carlo Caroli I had basically the same experience as you on my mission. I gave up on organized religion as well because they all claim they have the only truth. I decided to study all of the religions and their histories because knowledge is the power to resist those who try to control us. I'm convinced the universe has led me along the path I've been walking. I also stumbled across a philosophical thinker that shares the perspective I discovered on my own. Here's a lecture on 'Practical Spirituality' (which is a funny title if you ask me): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6ujnsSduq3Md6s.html

@mss4822 5 жыл бұрын

which is kind of sad

@utah133 5 жыл бұрын

@Pedro Romney It's sort of cult lite," actually. Not as bad as Scientology or even Jehovah's Winesses. But it's coercive to an extent, quite patriarchal and authoritarian as well. I left it and became non-theitstic. It didn't fit me.

@MsMatth33 5 жыл бұрын

@Carlo Caroli I appreciated reading your comment. I think a lot of people get tripped up by missions and the church being business oriented because of the preparation in a mission and knocking on doors. The preparation, the routine, the repeated phrases and prepared responses can seem like that. But that's just the way you do ANYTHING to try and succeed. Any line of work, doing anything difficult or under pressure requires practice. So that's all that is. And then the person at the door can make the decision. It's up to them.

@raptor4182 3 жыл бұрын

I attend college at BYU-Idaho, in Rexburg Idaho, and there are MLM businesses EVERYWHERE. It’s interesting to listen to the business pitches though. And the dreams they’ve been sold on.

@janelle009 5 жыл бұрын

Good on them for coming forward because they (and anyone who speaks against MLM) receive serious hate for it, its alarming the way they're treated for their personal opinion & experience. Just shows they're onto something & speaking truth or no one would care to shut them down 😬🤔

@advocacynaccountablity 5 жыл бұрын

The great success of these companies is zero accountability.

@ginac7235 5 жыл бұрын

DoTerra and YoungLiving Oils are also both MLMs started by LDS members with sketchy backgrounds and located in Utah. People born and raised in high-control groups like the LDS Church easily fall victim to these also-high-control MLMs. (See the B.I.T.E. model about high-control groups). - Resident of Utah County and post-Mormon

@gigi1332 5 жыл бұрын

Me too

@-biki- 5 жыл бұрын

Also born into the Mormon religion in Utah. Can confirm, these organizations are attractive here. They use the same language and pressure tactics often employed in church or church related activities. MLMs and Mormonism share common practices and language. (I'm also post Mormon and a resident of Utah)

@emmacook9184 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry but what do you mean by the founders of doterra having sketchy backgrounds?

@ahorsenamedcelty9505 5 жыл бұрын

Can confirm I had to escape the Mormons. I live in a Mormon town in Idaho.

@ginac7235 5 жыл бұрын

@@emmacook9184 One of the founders, "Doctor" David Hill, for one, presented himself as a doctor and gave medical advice even though he was not a licensed medical doctor. He eventually became a chiropractor but would leave off the D.C. part of his name, allowing others to assume he was a medical doctor. Before doTerra, Hill worked with Donald Gary Young, the founder of Young Living Essential Oils. Just Google his name, and you'll find a history of quackery and lawsuits. Young originally had his business in California but was ordered to shut down. - - That is one example.

@EppingForest304 5 жыл бұрын

Very Interesting... some dodgy stuff going on in Utah 😒

@joshua.snyder 5 жыл бұрын

Since 1847.

@gwennethschibany890 5 жыл бұрын

@@joshua.snyder 1830,actually

@joshua.snyder 5 жыл бұрын

@@gwennethschibany890 There were zero Mormons in Utah then. If you mean the church, sure, but they were all in New York, Ohio or Pennsylvania then.

@gwennethschibany890 5 жыл бұрын

@@joshua.snyder Yep,you're quite right.Sorry,way past my bedtime here in Germany,brain already asleep!!

@filminginportland1654 5 жыл бұрын

EppingForest304 They prey on the generally trusting nature of Mormons toward other members of the church. Their trust for people from church makes them very vulnerable to MLMs and outright scams. A well-known phenomena that nearly every Mormon knows about, yet young generations keep falling for them as MLMs change their tactics. These people may well have heard warnings from their parents & grandparents, but probably don’t believe these newer MLMs are the same thing. They’re new & fresh, and people get suckered in. It’s especially insidious because it preys on the most desperate & vulnerable. Most Mormons don’t get into this to become rich or go on vacations, they do it because they are struggling to make money while raising kids at home and see this as a legitimate option for a second work-from-home job. Really sad, especially since those who aren’t in financial trouble don’t usually consider this. It’s people who are far less able to afford these expenses who get suckered in and lose money, not those who can afford it.

@aeolia80 5 жыл бұрын

I grew up in this church, it's right to call this influx of MLMs coming out of Utah a cultural thing. but here's the thing most people don't know, it's more of a Utah LDS cultural thing. When some of my young stay at home mom friends that weren't able to go back to work or finish school, but still needed an extra income, started getting involved in these things, it felt really weird and creepy. They only ever heard about it from friends and family back in Utah. And because the owners were part of the church too, they thought they could trust these people. I learned from personal family experiences to never work with people from church, ever, unless you know for a fact they are good in their field, because they always pull one over on you, they aren't trust worthy in business, which is weird because that type of personality goes against what was taught in the church. I have no idea where these ideas came from or why they came about, all I know it's tied to Utah (or more likely large single type religion areas) culture, maybe not LDS culture per say.

@hfredydl 5 жыл бұрын

MLM... new posh way of saying “pyramid scheme”

@TEA-fj3ut 5 жыл бұрын

MLM ...not to be confused with Mormon Level Marketing.

@filminginportland1654 5 жыл бұрын

hfredydl Not new at all, MLMs have been around a loooong time. Watkins, still around, did this in the Nineteenth Century, and amway has been big through much of the Twentieth Century. These latest MLMs are just variations on a theme, dressed up to appeal to today’s younger generations. As the field has been tapped out with the older generations who got wise to this decades ago, in many cases, and are often better off financially such that they don’t need it as much. But yes, even if the law doesn’t agree, their concepts are the same. A pyramid scheme doesn’t have products to sell but is otherwise the same.

@lizzyafri287 5 жыл бұрын

If it sounds too good to be true then it is! While I sympathise with these victims, both parties, the companies and victims ought to accept some responsibility and not blame each other entirely.

@mrk09988 5 жыл бұрын

I live in Utah, home of a lot of MLMs like Doterra, Younique (I'm actually friends with the son of the owner), Young Living, etc. And yes... It's all soccer moms spending their husband's money. At least here in Utah, where families have an average of 4 kids, women are so desperate to do something else other than being a mormon mom that they buy into this scams.

@lonelydogclub Жыл бұрын

these women just needed to be a good mum and can have a very good life. Actually they have no reason to join these MLMs

@michellecartwright4163 5 жыл бұрын

Do your research for due diligence for any company you decide to work for. You’d be blown away to to know many of MLM Company owners Utah and beyond back in the 1990’s when I was a young mom in Colorado,,, Many of the popular ones were so popular,,,, until they started getting sued,,, then bam! they closed up shop and started a new MLM Company under a different name,,, same procedures on sales tactics. Thanks for the great video,,, and all your comments, they matter.

@kythrathesuntamer9715 3 жыл бұрын

Like abusive men MLM companies isolate you from anyone who might call them out or tell you they are abusing you!

@andyt9677 5 жыл бұрын

I mean....I feel for these women but it's always "I was encouraged" or "I felt I had to".....no one forced your hand. Millions of people set up businesses and fail every year....why don't they just take responsibility instead of blaming the company?

@161BMW 4 жыл бұрын

Yes if someone joins MLM or network marketing is their own fault.

@brucheweinberger6863 Жыл бұрын

Because it is switch and bait. You are told you just have to sell and then you are told the big money is only in recruitment. My mother was in Shaklee in the 90s. She only sold, I assume she didn't lose money but only covered her expenses because she did buy some products there.

@airplanetowardsthesky3265 4 жыл бұрын

No coincidence that mlm is so popular in Mormon Utah

@soccerchick9841 5 жыл бұрын

all the people at the top get their money from scamming people at the bottom

@jeremysmith9694 5 жыл бұрын

Man this video is shot so well. I love it. I have no interest in the content, makeup or MLM. But the video itself is so well done. Wow.

@Debster279 5 жыл бұрын

Elder Ballard’s talk, “The trek Continues”, Oct. 2017, attacked this issue. I am LDS, and remember going to a Mary Kay Meeting in Oregon, then again in Utah (never joined!). I remember joking how the Utahns compared it to the gospel and it was creepy and I refused so many invites over the years... Essential oils are giant out there, although I love them, never wanted to join an MLM and got manipulated into ZIJA, but never got on their 200 dollar a month fee, which was the ONLY way to make it up the ladder... convinced me to use my 0 balance CC, only once... Others were spending thousands and working hard to recruit others, I was glad to hear Elder Ballard’s talk that year... Utahns are not even half of the membership of the Church, but they are definitely vulnerable for the “get rich quick schemes”. They’re great at selling door to door in the summers, after missions, that targets male RMs, and they often make enough in summers to pay for school the next year, help their small families. Women are more sucked into pyramid schemes.

@raechelpalmer6482 5 жыл бұрын

I happen to be a member too, and I remember hearing that talk, so it's not true that the leaders of the church don't talk about it, you just have to actually listen to general conference to hear about it. Also, I'm from the south, and I have several friends who are stay-at-home moms who are not members, and they get sucked into this stuff every bit as much as my more "religious" friends. It's not fair to associate the church with MLMs, I've come across so many of these types of businesses and I've never purchased from any of them or joined, I've always thought they were shameful. It's rude to pretend to be someone's friend to get them to buy something from you, and then shun them when they don't. I want to support my friends, but I wish they would try to sell me something they have hand crafted, not resale... this frenzy is so sad :(

@revit4298 5 жыл бұрын

Great bit of investigating - well done.

@mss4822 5 жыл бұрын

how jesus feels seeing this?!

@scottwins2 5 жыл бұрын

He taught His Apostles how to sell, Sales are not evil if it is for a common good

@emilyvelasquez6718 5 жыл бұрын

Scott M key word: “common good”

@ethanstump 5 жыл бұрын

@@scottwins2 if its for the common good why are only the commoners...... oh..... mandatory lifelong indentured servitude for the commoners. Yeah common good my anus. Basically slavery with extra steps. A gilded cage is still a prison.

@IsabellasWardrobe1 5 жыл бұрын

Well done bbc. Exposing these con artists.

@rosax2974 5 жыл бұрын

why was the fact that 90% of people made no income at all only seen as important enough for a line at the bottom of the screen not even read out

@iloveyourunclebob 5 жыл бұрын

Younique mascara totally got me. Never was a presenter, but I have so much lose powder eyeshadow that doesn't do shit lol

@roderos 5 жыл бұрын

Can you remake this while replacing the younique with young living, and make up with essential oils? I would like to show it to my aunt

@ericnelson6725 5 жыл бұрын

There's a reason back in the 70s and 80s SLC was referred to "the Beirut of the West." And much hasn't changed, as today it's considered highest in blue collared crime.

@matthewdawson9364 5 жыл бұрын

Eric Nelson sources?

@english-tudor 5 жыл бұрын

blue?

@ericnelson6725 5 жыл бұрын

@@english-tudormy bad, white collared

@Shineynsparkles 5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@awakening2979 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t go to church without having people in there trying to sell me things!

@KD-xx 4 жыл бұрын

It’s not a 9-5 it’s a 24/7 😂

@alisongenet 5 жыл бұрын

How do we watch this whole episode in the U.S.?

@flyingdaytrader 5 жыл бұрын

The LDS church did a huge church wide meeting expressly warning people to stay away from MLM and other investments that many members are falling prey to. Even in the church's general conference one of the leaders called out these companies as deceptive and evil. Hopefully more people stay far away from these scams as possible

@jessilink2806 5 жыл бұрын

The way these companies are making their executives rich is so "godly".

@TheTuesday11 5 жыл бұрын

There’s nothing “ungodly” with being rich. You just gotta work hard for what you want.

@nlvideogamedemosdevelopmen7034 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTuesday11 I think you missed the point. "godly" was used on purpose. Just think about Mormonism...

@TheTuesday11 5 жыл бұрын

Nomester Louise i myself am not a Mormon nor would I ever become one. I am however a Christian and I don’t have an issue with MLM if you truly believe in the products your selling. I hear often how Christians should not be wealthy and I do think that’s “bunk” to put it lightly!

@nlvideogamedemosdevelopmen7034 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTuesday11 that's cool, being an ex-Mormon it does sound like a Mormon-specific point to be fair

@HasanAhmed-ng3yp 3 жыл бұрын

it's a interesting channel which i am always prefering to watch each moment

@chachingfm 5 жыл бұрын

Utah is the home of MLMs and summer sales

@JacaboBlanco 4 жыл бұрын

25 and has tried selling for THREE MLMs Jesus Christ. Didn't learn after the first? Or the second?

@Tina06019 3 жыл бұрын

The folks exploiting the stay-at-home mothers don’t bother to tell their recruits that the MLM will eat up a huge amount of their time & energy, and can easily take away more of their maternal energy than a regular job would.

@arorama-rix5941 5 жыл бұрын

“Yes” **roll end credits**

@AaronJuddMusic 5 жыл бұрын

I love in Utah when it’s small business day, all my friends in MLMs are saying to support their “small business”. So corny...

@arunmathew7060 3 жыл бұрын

I was recruited to Amway while in college. Felt compelled and charmed at the same time. In month, I decided to exit. Luckily, the experience taught me to avoid all MLMs which came my way (actually 'pushed my way')later..

@IzzysTravelDiaries 5 жыл бұрын

I think I know some people in Nuskin. I didn't know it was an MLM. The moment I saw it was, I almost ran out the door. My mum was briefly in one in the 90s, when this was still new.

@terribland7275 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for bring light to these company. I hope that these and other mlms get shut down.

@hashaborgonja 5 жыл бұрын

So... plain regular pyramidschemes that attracts by playing on narcissism...

@ElaineAlwaysMS 5 жыл бұрын

I've done a lot of research into these MLMs because it's a fascinatingly horrible part of the economy that most people are still not fully educated on and it's runs pretty deep with the way it influences it's individuals. Here's some really important things to understand about these groups 1. you'll lose all your friends because they are the only customers you can sell to, and the products and lifestyle are a complete scam that can only hurt those people. 2. You'll lose all your money investing stock you can't sell because the product is a waste. 3. You can never feasibly rise to the top because there aren't enough people on earth to work beneath you and that is the only way to make money in the situation. It's straight up not fair but the company pays individuals a share of the profits from everyone you bring in. That means whoever brought you into the game is taking your money too. 4. You'll be targeted with the temptation of luxary and being able to work from home. They don't want to move products they want you to belive you can sell the products. It is all about you wasting your money investing in them. They sell nothing but an idea.

@gavinscotttraining 5 жыл бұрын

Elaine Always there are a few mlm where you can earn a very good amount of money , with just a hand full in your team and to be fair some just join get the products at discount , when you cannot get anywhere else

@ElaineAlwaysMS 5 жыл бұрын

@@gavinscotttraining Thank you for sharing and I'd like to hear more about it.

@gavinscotttraining 5 жыл бұрын

Elaine Always not sure how I can message you on here , go to www.gavinscott.org

@gavinscotttraining 5 жыл бұрын

@@ElaineAlwaysMS not sure how to message you , just go to gavinscott.org and drop me a message , the couple i joined with sold over £65,000 last year without team and we have products up to 70% off

@gavinscotttraining 5 жыл бұрын

don,t think you tube like links if they above link does not work, message me on fb facebook.com/jgavinscott

@acissejelocin 5 жыл бұрын

the ad before this video advertised Zero Up, which based on the commercial and a little googling looks very much like an mlm

@kythrathesuntamer9715 3 жыл бұрын

@MohaMed-jw2dl 4 жыл бұрын

Every time i see fire in a conference i know it's a scam

@lfrancis8980 5 жыл бұрын

There need to be better laws against this.

@Mike_Oxhuge 5 жыл бұрын

I live in Utah and MLM is huge. I've got family members who fall for these every time a new one comes around and they waste a lot of money on it. It's just a social status

@adrianjeffreys1238 Жыл бұрын

These are like Prosperity Gospel Churches😅😅

@BrandonManuel 5 жыл бұрын

Most ppl just don’t have the marketing savvy or sales knowledge to make something like this work. It’s usually ppl with no business experience or skills that join these companies i.e. the bad ads you see online, the bad representation, the aggressive animal like Recruiting. You can’t build a business from a “lack mindset” and you can’t expect to get good results if you don’t have the skills. I don’t think these companies are targeting certain ppl, but I do believe certain ppl are attracted to them, also probably why most of them get a bad rep

@bwright3943 Жыл бұрын

Nuskin is destroying my sister's marriage

@my2beagles535 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, very informative

@contact3604 5 жыл бұрын

Wow! Interesting! Moira From England.

@contact3604 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for liking my comment, much appreciated. Moira From England.

@161BMW 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone that gets into Network marketing or MLM it is their own fault.

@christychubb8239 3 жыл бұрын

I am part of a MLM - but have never been promised outrageous rewards or had to invest.

@tigerskiss1986 4 жыл бұрын

I tried body shop at home but never took off, I didn’t have a car at the time or money for the kit, never got the party books as someone knew someone who did those parties, I signed up for two others but nothing happened or took off as I needed a full time wage. The up lines act nice and some are but if you aren’t giving it 24/7 you are shunned and forgotten about.

@ChristinaOstil115 5 жыл бұрын

I was a single mom and I joined the church but I had married a member who was African. The rest of the members did not liked us because we’re in interracial marriage. My husband has passed away and I’m dating a exmormon and the members are not happy but I am not worried what they are thinking.

@quincyslawgmailcom 5 жыл бұрын

Christina Ostil: Bravo, you, for following both your heart and head! What a toxic atmosphere - couples being shunned because of the oh so wrong, apparent effrontery of the "mismatch of their skin." Most pathetic. And this alienating, judgemental reaction in a supposedly religious milieu, no less. It's very sad, and disappointing that such boorish mentalities are still alive and well in so many realms. May your beloved husband R.I.P. I wish you and your new beau all the very best! May you both find other genuine, feet-on-the-ground good folks to socialize, and worship with. I hope you have not been turned off of organized religion altogether, but certainly understand if it no longer has a place in your life. Blessings, Quincy's Law

@karriej.butler1582 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for exposing this. I've noticed that more and more videos on KZfaq are made by people with roots in Utah.

@merlinendolo4719 5 жыл бұрын

Family vloggers not MLM videos

@chokinonashes61 5 жыл бұрын

I will now always associate MLM's the murders of Shanann, Bella, Celeste (CeCe) and the unborn Nico Watts.

@fiphuket2010 Жыл бұрын

Nothing worse than a Facebook friend who becomes "their own boss" the non stop posts about how amazing their new life is 😑. I usually mute them until they eventually leave the company lol. The fake, perfect life posts make me cringe!

@lesleythornton1811 2 жыл бұрын

What type of legitimate business makes a person feel it is too risky to reveal their own identity? I think the video answers the question

@spqr1945 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks to LDs Church it is easier for this companies to grow - whenever you go - you already have a branch of LDS church there, where you can start the local branch of a company like this.

@spinachslime 5 жыл бұрын

got an mlm ad before this video

@tl33 5 жыл бұрын

Lest we not forget, Pure Romance toys are just marked up & repackaged from California Exotics. They don’t even bother changing the names of the “bath and body” products they sell. Coochy shave cream is actually produced and distributed by Classic Erotica and can be bought at average 8$ across various websites. Pure Romance sells it for 20$ (and it is literally the exact same product, in a branded tune)