Better Than HST?...Federal PUNCH 9mm vs 45acp Self-Defense AMMO Test!
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3 ай бұрынChecking out some Federal Punch ammo in 9mm and 45 auto. Are these some more, good short-barrel defensive options? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Canik Mete MC9 and Glock 30!
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@sparhawk5515 3 ай бұрын
That’s about the most impressive.45 I’ve ever seen! It expanded to almost .70 and still penetrated over 19 inches. That’s better than 99% of all calibers out there. The fact that it did it out of a 3.8 inch barrel just makes it that much more amazing!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Yep. Great stuff for the short barrel.
@d.hayward5232 3 ай бұрын
I too was shocked and impressed with the performance. Gonna have to see how it does out of a 5" barrel now!
@sparhawk5515 3 ай бұрын
@@d.hayward5232 dITTO!
@joeyphillips1181 2 ай бұрын
Yeah the 45 stuff was really impressive.. with that being said the HST is just as good if not better but either one works 🤷🏻♂️
@BBEEAATTNNGGUU 26 күн бұрын
@@joeyphillips1181Now the HST guys are saying "just as good"😂
@harryanderson7282 3 ай бұрын
Would be great to see a follow-up vid on the .45ACP Punch being fired out of a full-sized 1911 for comparison's sake.
@truthhurts7836 3 ай бұрын
I feel pretty confident in my EDC ammo thanks to all of the jelly you've been through Tools.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
The jelly weeds em out.😎👍
@tommylitchfield3450 3 ай бұрын
Tools and his Jelly Contraption is saving us all loads of money, fo'sho'!
@MB-jg4tr 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. Best jelly tests on JuuTube. Having the right defense rounds sure makes one feel good.
@tommylitchfield3450 3 ай бұрын
Tools, I think you are absolutely right about the Punch having a more pure lead, making the Punch softer. I think that heavy 230 .45ACP at the lower than box velocity pretty much proves it. I think I will check some of those babies out myself. My Pop has a 1911 in .40S&W and I am curious how that soft lead in a high pressure round like the .40 will do. Will it blow up?? Who knows? A good idea for a Tools Test... 40 in a long vs short barrel with The Punch!! Keep 'em comin', tools!
@gripaimsqueeze 3 ай бұрын
I’d be interested in this as well.
@timrobinson6573 3 ай бұрын
I think Punch is the hidden gem of ammo world.
@PerceptionVsReality333 3 ай бұрын
I didn't record it but I tried this Federal punch 40s&w with a Glock22 on a goat carcass which was pretty much the same thickness as a human torso & it passed through leaving a decent wound channel & the bullet was just about an inch in the dirt.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
😎👊
@Hissatsu5 3 ай бұрын
I enjoy seeing mixed callbers same projectile videos
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
I like em myself.😎👊
@Nutty.357 3 ай бұрын
👊Punch has proven itself time and time again! 💥💥
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Yep
@JJ_SDWR 3 ай бұрын
The 9mm Punch is always way cheaper than HST and unlike HST I actually see it in stock at my local shops. Not bad. Edit: I was referring to what is available ON THE SHELF at my local stores and thus what the average person probably buys. I was speaking for the masses because I'm assuming most of you aren't buying 50 round boxes of LE Critical Duty/HST for $25 a box like I do with a Qualified Professional discount on Buds... I understand there are better deals to be had and I'm not going out of my way to buy lil 20 round boxes of Punch 👊🏻 But I'm glad it performs.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Yep
@MeMadeIt 3 ай бұрын
Depends on location. Around here 9mm 124gr HST LE 50rd box $40 while Punch 20rd box $20.
@Samyouell11510 3 ай бұрын
Yeah usually I just pick up HST or punch depending on whatever is in stock locally or online.
@lazybear236 3 ай бұрын
Looking online, HST is way cheaper in quantity. Several places with HST at 51 cpr and free shipping. Cheapest for Punch with free shipping is 80 cpr
@joeyphillips1181 2 ай бұрын
I've never seen the price difference between the punch & HST be big enough to actually matter tbh.. I would rather pay like 5$ more per 50 rd box and get the HST's or gold dots.. we can't use the LE discount but we can still find the LE boxes cheaper at certain places and it's the same stuff 🤷🏻♂️
@jordanamos102 2 ай бұрын
I work at Gopher Resource. The lead refinery that distributes the lead lead Federal uses. You're absolutely right about the different color being a different alloy.
@speedyforde3404 3 ай бұрын
I am liking what i see out of the federal punch line
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Good stuff
@robertm8401 3 ай бұрын
I've carried 124gr 9mm Punch ever since I saw it appear on this channel and never changed since, being fully confident in it's capabilities. Thank you Tools 🎉
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Good stuff.😎👊
@sandoval1529 3 ай бұрын
Might have to consider changing also! Still love the Hornady critical defense though.
@MB-jg4tr 3 ай бұрын
@@sandoval1529Hornady CD is very consistent, but HST & Punch are clearly better options.
@DEAMcN 2 ай бұрын
@@MB-jg4tr Absolutely! Punch has done great out of every barrel length I own, and every test I've watched they've done well. CD is ok but I like a little heavier bullet and the9mm punch has nice power too just being standard pressure. Punch all day long over critical defense.
@paulp.6399 3 ай бұрын
The 9mm expanded almost the same as the 45. Impressive, most impressive.
@cgsimons1187 3 ай бұрын
I anticipated that it would be all too easy for the .45.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
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@jimsanders4412 2 ай бұрын
Yes, I've said it before...I am a HST guy to the bone marrow, however...The Punch is definitely a contender. Plus, it's a bit cheaper here, locally!!
@WayStedYou 3 ай бұрын
makes it even more strange that the cci uppercut failed since its the same parent company and federal seems to know what to do for expansion even with slow 45s
@JohnDoe-ud2cc 3 ай бұрын
Pure lead is dark gray. They add tin to it to make it harder. The more tin they add to it the brighter it gets. Hard cast have a lot of tin and that’s why they are so bright silver.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Makes sense.😎👍
@timd729 3 ай бұрын
I thought antimony made it harder and tin made it flow better in the bullet molds
@rogerjohnson6733 2 ай бұрын
I'm with you my friend.. Antitmony and tin are what is used to make bullets casting lead alloy harder! Brinell hardness is the scale used to used to measure the relative hardness of the lead bullet casting material. The higher the Brinell hardness the harder the lead alloy! @timd729
@johnanderson186 Ай бұрын
Yes tin adds minimal hardness, and is more for mold fill out, Antimony is what makes it considerably harder. Tin does add some hardness but not by a lot.
@billsiegloff2150 3 ай бұрын
2 winners there Brian. The surprise was the 45 only having 25ft lbs extra energy
@Adam-nv9zo 3 ай бұрын
Both of those are pretty impressive. Federal definitely has some smart folks working for them. Great video, as always, brother.
@therichie9916 3 ай бұрын
Either one would provide very adequate protection provided the user can put them in the proper place when the time comes.
@MB-jg4tr 3 ай бұрын
Placement is 🗝️ It doesn't matter what you're loaded with if you can't hit vitals. Practice is more important than what you're yeeting 👍
@jwash3rd 3 ай бұрын
I picked up a box of 124 gr. Federal Law Enforcement Tactical HST at a show, $35/50. They look the same, except for a nickel coating. They're also rated at 1150.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
I always try to scoop up the LEO trade boxes when my local shop gets some. They never get any 9mm, unfortunately.😆
@champlow8522 3 ай бұрын
Tools i been rocking with you since you had under 10k subs and watched your channel grow. Congratulations on your success because you put in the work! Great content as usual
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate that bigtime, brother! It's been a lot of fun!😎👊
@redforeman1706 2 ай бұрын
Love how you're videos are no bull $hit. Straight to the point.
@jaredgreen5840 3 ай бұрын
Those were some awesome results!. I'm a big believer in the Federal HST but these did great. They may not have had the most "impressive" numbers but those results were perfect. Good penetration, great expansion, really nothing left to be desired, and I would most certainly have no problem running these as my defensive carry ammo in 9mm or .45 🙂👍
@kennethrisner8648 3 ай бұрын
Used to be a 9mm would out penetrate a 45 no matter the round used, but this is one of the few examples where it didn't. That said the performance difference between the 2 calibers using the punch is so close a switch from the 9 to a 45 wouldn't be justified
@taasch2505 3 ай бұрын
Look i said it before and I'll say it again because i said this to Federal multiple times on the .45. Keep the same design, the same pressure, but reduce the damn bullet to a 200 grain and you have a damn solid choice. This 230 punch is my carry ammo in my glock 30, but it's still not quite where it should/needs to be.
@taasch2505 3 ай бұрын
@UCqo_wf0f8mKiIjcaFmjuwYw here's my discussion; a obvious fake profile is obviously fake
@rexhinlo3398 3 ай бұрын
May I suggest you put round stickers on the denim so that you'll have an aiming point when you do the tests.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
I draw aim points with a sharpie but with so many different guns and points of impact, it doesn't always go to plan.😂
@johncoleman2495 3 ай бұрын
I'm gonna be 100% honest, I've been waiting to see you test this before I bought it🤣 I'm like you in the fact that I distrust most .45 ACP with 230gr bullets. I had good results with the 9mm punch in my shield a few years ago when I was doing some gel testing myself. So I have a bunch of that. I guess I'll be buying some .45 now too! Thank you again for the great content man!
@erikjensen6503 3 ай бұрын
Great test thanks for sharing!
@fredallen7493 3 ай бұрын
I'm impressed with the .45 results. That is good expansion, especially from a short barrel. I've said for awhile the lead used today is harder than years ago. Hence less expansion.
@kenworland1865 3 ай бұрын
Glad to see these results!!! 🙌🏻👊👍
@l.a.3887 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for testing all this ammunition good stuff
@tigerman3 3 ай бұрын
Great presentation! Thank you.
@michaelgibbs3011 20 күн бұрын
Both are sufficient; however, the 9 will always fall behind the 45 in end result capability. That said, I love your videos and learn something from each one. In the end, your results and the results of others show the significant advantage of the 45acp. ALL issues considered, all videos made, I am convinced a man's best chance of stopping a bad guy, or several bad guys, and the best chance of survival when limited to a handgun, is found in a 45 acp with at least a 4" barrel. I'm referring to ALL considerations: ease of carry, capacity, ease of operation, relative "stopping power," time into initial shot, concealability, comfort, all other factors bearing on full time carry, a lightweight commander size 1911 is the very best. Other carry guns are of course adequate, but none other has ever been made to best that choice. I carry others at times but I know I am under gunned compared to the very best.
@williambaker1753 3 ай бұрын
The 9mm really impressed me with the expansion and penetration that 45 ACP was no slouch I never expected it to expand that well federal did there home work and turned out some nice ammo. I have some of the punch in 9mm I haven't had a chance to try it out yet I will be doing a lot more now that the weather is nice. Great video comparison 45 ACP and 9mm are the two most popular self defense rounds.
@sfcmmacro 3 ай бұрын
If you want a cheap way to test the lead’s hardness you can try an old reloader’s trick using a cheap set of artist’s pencils. Get them nice and sharp and try to scratch the lead, starting with the softer pencils and working your way up. You can estimate the hardness of the lead based on the known hardness of the pencil graphite.
@MB-jg4tr 3 ай бұрын
Cool trick, thanks
@timd729 3 ай бұрын
So what number pencil scratches pure lead? The lead sheets you get off of old roofs.
@ejsocci2630 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video and I love those bullets, thanks.
@daily4020 3 ай бұрын
Very valid with the number of subcompact options today. Thanks for putting this together.
@RickGrimes357 3 ай бұрын
Another great one ,Man!Thanks so much for all that you do for the 2A community!
@mattjensen73 3 ай бұрын
These caliber match ups are so cool!! Awesome to see the difference between the performance in the gel
@briangleason5597 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank You.
@caleb6988 3 ай бұрын
That's exactly why I have these in my EDC 's . Fantastic test brother tools
@user-xp5vi6oy4g 3 ай бұрын
Another superb test. These should be what I carry in my G30s from now on.
@erichanson7293 3 ай бұрын
The Punch line is great! Thanks for testing these projectiles. So far, I haven't seen a Punch projectile in any caliber not live up to the manufacturer claims. That includes gun tube tests I've viewed and my own.
@Yuracirlce 3 ай бұрын
Hell yes this is exactly what I’m talking about. Let’s see some what should you EDC caliber series
@joem1565 Ай бұрын
Good review. Very thorough
@ToolsandTargets Ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@sandoval1529 3 ай бұрын
The punch is really getting my attention with your video! Loving all of your videos. Keep them coming in! Great job as usual!
@anthonyb2334 3 ай бұрын
Very impressive results, especially the 45. After watching your channel I have a great appreciation for these punch rounds. Thank you.
@Sometimes_Always 3 ай бұрын
You always have the best ballistic gel tests! Love it. Keep them comin'!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate that!😎👊
@Jpb707 3 ай бұрын
Great videos! Always showing me exactly what i want to know , any .40 165 vs 180 video? Im searching allll your videos now
@boondogger 3 ай бұрын
Know what I'm switching to, Thanks. Good on ya 😉
@wildcatindustries8030 2 ай бұрын
Best way I can sum Punch up is it’s discount HST. It’s slightly cheaper but for the every day person, mimics about the same performance. It struggles on barriers or anything tough where it is infect a soft lead alloy, but it works very well imo in anything organic. I’ve carried and tried out both and unless you need that extra barrier penetration, punch is the way to go
@Dwayne7834 3 ай бұрын
Good test Tools . Good performance from both.👍🇺🇸
@dancruze 3 ай бұрын
Thanks jelly man!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate ya!😎👊
@ironmikehallowween 3 ай бұрын
You are convincing me that JMB was onto something for sure! Thanks for the video
@miker9043 3 ай бұрын
Punch is fitting name for those bullets ! Enjoyed the test Tools !
@scarifrougeone7225 3 ай бұрын
Federal Punch is definitely worth the price point. The MC9 makes another great showing. The .45acp surprised me the most. That is the standard for the ammo to perform to. Very nice the weight, speed, short barrel and still performs as it should. Thumbs up there. Federal gets the top dog stamp. Thanks for sharing and be safe. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@147CombatMedic 3 ай бұрын
Can't complain about those results! 💥👍💥
@JesseGacria357 3 ай бұрын
Always awesome to get a notification from your channel🎉
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate ya!😎👊
@johnnymccann5607 3 ай бұрын
I've committed on most all your videos I've seen. I never held back on any thing and on this video I must say I am greatly impressed with results on both calibers. as we know all hollow points are not equal, but today it couldn't get any better. I love your honest tests holding back nothing. Papa wishing you well 😊
@MB-jg4tr 3 ай бұрын
I'd love to see some wadcutters/flat point jelly tests from various calibers. Love watching, cheers
@jw-sigp2258 3 ай бұрын
I will have to get some punch in 9mm and 40 S&W as I use both. Great test.
@kennethferguson4283 3 ай бұрын
Looks like the cup of the bullet is doing most of the expanding. I am sticking with the street proven HST.
@user-zn5ur2vs1l 3 ай бұрын
Another great video! Thanks!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
😎👊
@richki.24 3 ай бұрын
wonderful test ..
@Bob-lq9ys 3 ай бұрын
Good test with good results, keep the great test coming, very honest testing
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@kevinramsey4673 3 ай бұрын
Great test Tools! I've got some of the 9mm Punch. Looks like I need some 45acp Punch.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
A couple of good ones.😎👍
@switcheyephotography5722 7 күн бұрын
Thanks, this was really good. Norma makes a budget defensive line of ammo called Safeguard. They perform very similarly to the Punch at only 34 cents per round.
@ogbobbye 3 ай бұрын
I like these head to head test between different calibers that you do.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
@jimmydunn3775 3 ай бұрын
Great video as always!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@buzsalmon 3 ай бұрын
What great tests. A fine video Tools! I enjoyed as always! I agree it much harder to find 230gr. Thank you Tools
@user-tn7hc4ww3j 3 ай бұрын
I wish that I found your channel before making my ammo purchases - excellent content and video skills.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
@dragonrider385 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the test. That is some nice ammo.
@treetop.garage 3 ай бұрын
Both did pretty good ..great test buddy
@ldjb8648 3 ай бұрын
I like the results of the test, but I'll stick with my HSTs. Thanks for the intel!
@alfonsorj70 3 ай бұрын
Good video..I have been using sig sauer 230 grain in my 45 and 124gr in my 9mm but I might try the federal HST in my Springfield 45.. ok tools take care and keep making those great videos..
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@rsbreeze 3 ай бұрын
Excellent test and ammo!
@ronaldbarnes8302 3 ай бұрын
Very nice performance, good to see the 230 expanding like it should. Have some 9mm Punch, need to pick up the 45. Thanks for the video Tools!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
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@murphymmc 3 ай бұрын
That's some good performing stuff. Yep, the .45 was a very pleasant surprise. I'd like to see them put out a 200gr or a 185gr for the shorter barrels. Velocity will be up a bit at distance, it may never be needed for 25yd shots, even if it doesn't expand it starts out where a lot of 9's end up with downrange expansion.
@MrZachxd 3 ай бұрын
Holy crap! Look at that big old .45 go! This ammo looks great. I love my HST
@kevinroberts1888 3 ай бұрын
Federal Punch is what I've been carrying in my 9mm, which has a four inch barrel. It's nice to see it do so well as it's one of the more affordable options in my area.
@moshedayan9049 3 ай бұрын
Notifications working, thank you Sir
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate that. 😎👊
@russdennis7026 3 ай бұрын
Both are great rounds but I like the capacity with 9mm. Thanks for sharing.
@sj6404 3 ай бұрын
"What's up ya'll..." Got my snack, kids in bed, headphones on, time for some Tools&Targets - best 15 mins on the internet.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
@cousinvinnie2180 3 ай бұрын
Another great presentation from Tools & Targets. We appreciate your efforts in making these videos....
@guardianminifarm8005 3 ай бұрын
Very good results. Glad to see 45 succeed. Many thanks.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
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@YellowHammer26 3 ай бұрын
👍👍really good performance, thanks tools.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
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@thePrussian 3 ай бұрын
Another good test 👍
@delles1548 3 ай бұрын
Another great video and performance test. It seems Federal has another hit, and if I ever see a few of the Punch projectiles on the various demilled ammo reloading sites, I may have to grab some.
@phillhuddleston9445 3 ай бұрын
Surprised that 230 gr. expanded in a short barrel, I still like 185 gr. +p's out of any .45 ACP long or short barrel, 230's are just too heavy for the cartridge IMO.
@Bistoink2009 3 ай бұрын
Nice and entertaining video.
@getit9183 2 ай бұрын
Extremely impressive expansion in that 45ACP.
@arrobrewer2730 3 ай бұрын
100% on metal density awesome test
@myglide58 3 ай бұрын
Federal Punch is some good stuff for sure, never thought about them for the .45 but I'm gonna now just for the heavier weight bullet.
@michaellavaughnrobinson 3 ай бұрын
Found some locally produced ammo at the LGS that is 200 grain 45 acp LRN. 920 fps and a decent carry round for the glock 30.
@steelpunisher6944 3 ай бұрын
Nice!! I’ve been grabbing the punch for 9 and 45 here and there just to have a stack. I’ve tested the 9 and it did the same as your test but the 45 was a great surprise! Now I know I’m good if I throw it in the G30. Thanks for a great test good sir. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Gotta love a good short barrel round.😎👊
@jameshood9694 3 ай бұрын
The HST is going to be hard to beat, but that Punch has turned out to be pretty good too. I just bought that same punch load in 45 acp a couple of weeks ago myself. Got some in 40 s&w too. I trsted some in 38 special from my snubbie in wetpack and they done ok too. Would be interesting to see this 230 grain 45 acp bullet loaded into the 45 long Colt version.
@charlesmorgan1879 3 ай бұрын
Looks good to go ! Rk usually has a good supply in various calibers at decent price , i have some in 40. Thanks
@brandiwynter 3 ай бұрын
Wow, that .45acp surprised me. I haven't even heard of this ammo other than the .22lr. I think I may get some of that for my short barrel .45's. Looks like Federal Punch for the shorties and HST for the rest. Much thanks TnT!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Good stuff.😎👍
@billdubois56 3 ай бұрын
Another great jelly test Brotha ..
@steve4413 3 ай бұрын
I love federal punch! I shoot the .40 S&W from a G23, .45 Auto from a G30, 22lr from a S&W 22C, and 9mm from a S&W Shield Plus. Performance is so consistant every time. I can't lie, I love HST's in my 9mm but the Punch is a damn close second. Thanks for all the testing. Love this channel, i tell everyone i know about jelly man!
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. Really appreciate that!😎👊
@wtjonesphd9375 3 ай бұрын
I consider that over-penetration. Some shooters don't worry about that, but I find it a great concern. The possibility or even likelihood a bullet passing completely through an attacker and possibility hitting someone else is something I never want to take a chance on. I really don't even know why Federal makes the Punch when their HST line performs consistently well without over-penetrating.
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
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@ladonnaghareeb4609 3 ай бұрын
This is Bob LD'S husband. I'd be far more worried about hitting what I was shooting at than 19" penetration. If I recall FBI says 12"- 18". You are more likely going to endanger innocent bystanders than to over poentrate when you are under stress.
@wtjonesphd9375 3 ай бұрын
@@hotrodray6802I'm a retired police officer. And I don't miss shots. I was even awarded a S&W .38 Spl Snub-nose revolver for getting a perfect score on the academy qualification shoot. I didn't miss on duty either. My experience is a perfectly good shot is not good at all if it passes through the intended target and then hits the wrong person. Murphy's Law is abundant. The best defense against collateral damage is not to miss the intended target. But the right ammo is important too. And this test indicates that Federal Punch is not the right ammo.
@hoffpbass 3 ай бұрын
That was great velocity from a 3.8" barrel. That is 2 great 45 rounds you have found for us this week alone. These will certainly perform out of the Commander. Might stagger the mag with the 185 Critical Defense and rock a little Van Halen with them -- The Best of Both Worlds 🎸 Thanks again, Tools 👍🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets 3 ай бұрын
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