Impact's stacks last for 30 seconds, and I don't know if it synergizes with multi-pellet guns, but I'm pretty sure it works with unlisted pellets, things like the Sandhawk. I know Beehawking is usually not the ideal thing for Axton, but with this skill, his Dahl skill, all of his fire rate, and gun damage...if you can get metal storm in a raid somehow and start spamming a Sandhawk at someone, can you imagine how fast that boss is gonna melt? EDIT: For that matter, Tooth and nail with a Hoplite and all of his crazy shield skills? Getting a massive health and shield bar there, with crazy skills like Quick Charge. Btw, Quick Charge was actually boosted, and a max of 15% shield recharge per second is insane EDIT 2: I just realized how genius the new Nuke is. The initial explosion, the "Shock"wave, then a corrode to represent nuclear fallout

B33PB00PJOE here, impact being moved to a 1 pt skill had us reroute where it's coms sent points to, we will fix it to go elsewhere besides In The Trenches soon!

1:11:00 "I wanna sweet spot a Buzzard with a Creamer" - Derch 2018... Allrighty then.

I'm really digging 2.5 so thank you for continuing these videos

This makes creating a build impossible because everything is so good.

The bubble icon is the weapon's special effect that activates.

I think im anticipating this patch more than bl3 right now

41:34 I counted a 4 grit chain there

i am really hyped for BL 2.5 now, those skilltrees seem awesome and you cant really argue any of those skills is bad or a worse choice than other skills. with them all seeming so competitive, its gonna enable tons of different options and you can really customize your build cant wait for more information about it and the other characters as well!

I think one of my main gripes with axton(as much as i love explosive axton) was how a lot of his skills felt like small incremental boosts of basic attributes like health. This wasnt much of a problem with respeccing since you can just max out whichever skill you want, but to me it made building up an axton in a playthrough a drag sometimes. This new skill tree however just does completely away with that, and I think of the trees ive seen so far(maya, axton, salvador) this is the one im most excited to try.

We need to get demonite here

Thanks for another video! I love axton but I feel he needed abit more, they're really doing a good job with these

demonite is gonna be really happy about this :D

The vanila Quick Charge was already very good, now with this new quick charge in a killskill build with the legendary ranger, you get 30% shield regen per sec, that sounds really stronk with Hoplites or Fabled Tortoise, assuming they would fix those on OP levels. Im excited for this.

god damn i cant wait till this mod is public

This is really DOPE can’t wait:D

Hey there, Kazy here. I've seen a fair bit of discussion in the comments regarding the Sham. Let me remind you that this is a beta version that Derch has, which does not include any sort of gear replacement. All red text gear will get replaced with new gear. Due to this, that means The Sham will be replaced with some other sort of shield, and thusly, the high absorption chance associated with it (a whopping 94% before skills) will be removed. the focus of these videos at this point in time is the skills themselves, and how they interact with one another, as well as function with specific attributes of gear, rather than specific gear itself.

Hey Derch. Can't wait to see more. I'm excited to see more.

I was so looking forward the Axton video.

Gearbox needs to hire some of these guys, really impressive work with the skill trees.

Derch, there is technically a "limit" to how much you can stack Impact, becaue it has a duration (30 seconds currently) it will decay before you get to ridiculous numbers (over 100)

cant wait to see what they have in mind for zer0.

Damn that looked real fun, actually interesting ways to approach axton, cant wait to try this mod myself :D

Axton now has finally a raid tree. Since he automatically has grit he has a fighting chance against bosses and doesn’t have to rely on tediore smashing. Also now axton can do everything, not perfect but he can meaning he is a good beginner or general play character

Axton had a lot of things going on in the base game that all kind of ended up half baked because none of them had enough focus. This looks like they've really nailed down all of them, but it feels like he'll have to specc a lot of skills together, prematurely blocking off certain combinations, and he'll really have to specialize any build in just a few of those directions. Might limit builds a bit, but that's hardly an issue given how much of an improvement this is over his base.

I'm really, REALLY looking forward to playing this. It can't come soon enough.

In the trenches is the *BEST* skill and your gonna Love it wheather you like it or not!

This stuff is so exciting to see. Between you and the great and mighty craig, we have seen all three completed (for the beta, but still) characters, and all of the changes have been at least interesting and re-balanced, if not masterstrokes of brilliance. Though please please pleeeeeeeease recommend a quality of life change; make booster shield boosters auto-pick up if possible. Another great option would be to have the boosters from the wtf act as tesla's instead of regular explosions, so as to not kill you, and to give it much more viability. Thanks for the content Derch!

Imagine what they're gonna do to Gaige...oh man I can't wait!

Even if shotguns didn't count for every pellet, imagine new impact with a conference call, that's around a 8-10% damage increase per shot for a lot of the larger enemies/raid bosses.

This is so good! 😭

I just started the vid and I'm so fucking excited. I can't believe the amount of hype I'm feeling for a mod.

Great video I started playing axton first because he seemed like a team character i like characters like that and this mod helps with that and will you do a let's play on this mod with any character once the mod is done?

This makes me wanna get a pc

I wanna try it now!

Looks awesome love most of the changes. Not so hot on losing the always on reload and swap speed though - I always thought that was one of the best parts of playing Axton.

Iwas waiting for this video=>.

Man these Torbjorn buffs are insane

Cant wait for this mod to release.I have 2000+Hrs played all the mods,but this looks amazing and is truly worth the name BL2.5

Wow this mod looks to be really refreshing and fun. Hopefully it can be combined with the QoL and farming changes from the UCP. I'm really excited for the final version of this.

If I wasn't excited for this with Maya, I am now! The fact they Grenadier regens Nasher ammo is all I wanted for Axton Hale.

For the next character I suggest to spend the first point for the action skill cause it blinks and gets my attention over there, thanks!

Wow this looks amazing...any idea when this will be available?

Being able to recall both sentries in one is fantastic, you're able to throw one out of recall range with no worry.

Scorpio made me smile :-)

So they upped sniper ammo to 225, Shotty to 450 and launcher ammo to 105. Damn that's nice, especially the shotty ammo. Can play with the Coach Gun and Twister all day long, i love it. Also, can't wait for Gaige :D Really excited to see what madness they have managed to cook up with her :D

Derch do you allow people to add you on steam or is that for friends only. Anyway cool content, will keep watching.

i got a quick question. when it says maxed does it mean "as many points as you can" or the skills "max" level. Like it you get a +4 class mod and your 1 point in it and its at 5/5 or even over maxing it having a 7/5 skills. would that still count? or does it HAVE to have 5 skill points into it regardless of class mods.

all nice and cool, but where are the passive ammo regens we saw on the sal and maya trees?

have you heard any confirmation on whether gamechangers count as 'maxed skills' for the purposes of the tree-specific skill/bonus thing?

This is my feedback on Axton. These are just personal observations. So i have a question first off: Would it be possible to let Axton recall his turret remotely by holding the action skill button? If so that would be great for opening up more interesting mag lock locations. With mag lock you're often quite limited in where you deploy your turret because you need to be able to reach it for the recall. Being able to do it remotely would also just help with the speed of recalling since you wouldn't have to walk over to the turret. After playing Wilhelm in TPS, with Wolf and Saint, the static Axton turret can feel a bit cumbersome at times. Guerrilla: - Longbow Turret: The fact that you combined longbow and mag lock into 1 skill is probably the best change already. - Heavy Ordinance: A kill skill dedicated to the turret is a fantastic idea. Gunpowder: - Impact: The description on this feels a bit confusing. The way i read it when i shoot an enemy >that enemy alone< suffers from a debuff that decreases resistance. The way it looks in game however is that >all< enemies suffer from the debuff, considering it stacks on your own hotbar making it seem more like a buff for you. It's also unclear if enemies suffer decreased resistance against just your bullets or all bullets. This skill could very much use some clarification/rewording. Survival: - Preparation: I never liked how this skill works. Health regen while shields are full means it only ever applies outside of combat, when there are other ways to heal. Half this skill is honestly useless. What would make this a lot better and more interesting is if this gave you health regen while you have any amount of shields. This way it can be useful in combat in combination with shield regen skills like Quick Charge. I get that the name is Preparation and that implies it should be useful before combat, but like i said that just makes half the skill useless when it matters. That's about what i have on Axton. Only 1 skill i would actually change. Guerrilla tree seems perfect for turret Axton and covers a lot of the weaknesses it had. I would say this is the best designed tree out of the 3 characters I've seen so far. Gunpowder just needs the small wording change on Impact. Preparation in Survival is the only real offender here i feel.

I thought both turrets got recalled together originally also did the turret shield get a buff because it broke really quick before?

I really really hope this mod lives to see daylight. It is pure awesomeness! The philosophy, if i understand it correctly, is also fantastic. They get rid of so many boring filler talents and instead pack the trees full of high impact choices with powerful skills and synergies. And that is simply needed because there are more mobs and they got way more health.

I can't wait to see what they have done with kreig and zer0!!

You might want to keep the wiki open for reference on the old skills vs the new ones just in case only the numbers change or something similar.

I cant wait to see krieg changes! I mean he doesn't really need anymore since release the beast and bloodsplosion so what else you need ? 👀

The changes to Crisis Management were optional in the UCP. IMO they made a legendary pointman RR build pretty bloody stupid, but it was fun.

Is this for PC only or will it be soon out for PC & consoles?

I could see a really solid BeeHawk axton come out of this skill tree.

Is this available on pc too? I have borderlands 2 on steam

Wtf, quick charge boosted regenerates 30% of your shields per second on a kill. That’s insane. If you took that you would be so much more tanky

I'm honestly really excited to see what they change about gaige even though she's my least played vault hunter. I really hope they get rid of anarchy and make her strong without relying on one single skill.

I like the skill changes on Axton but the only downside I found is the turret's Phalanx Shield being squishy in heavy firefights, so I hope the team will find the right balance of it during the process. I'm looking forward to the skill changes on Gaige and Krieg's melee skills being more useful in boss fights, plus I can imagine Krieg having Slag resistance skills due to the reworked Slag effects.

I have to say, I love the changes for Axton. I'll admit I'll kind of miss Expertise when it was kind of an underrated skill, but it's nice to make it better than what it was. Between that, the new turret skills, and and improved skills in general, you're gonna be able to make some sick Axton builds with these skills. You definitely have to see about that Rough Rider build. I'd be interested to see how that works in practice. Also, as for Battle Armor and your point about it having the chance to make people gravitate away from the Sham, there's still the option people might throw two points into it just to have 100% Absorption Chance, cause you know how people are when it comes to that shield, but it's whatever. Think I may just make a turret Axton when this patch is fully launched, because the turret is twenty times more badass now.

The base turret is also a lot stronger. It used to be like 15 seconds with a 45 second cooldown, now it's 30/30

Wow... I want this. So bad... Like... BL3 and Christmas can go screw itself... Super excited for this. One thing I still hate about OP1 to 8 is them not adding either more skillpoints or additional passive/utility skills because enemies just getting more and more and more bullet-spongy kust isn't exciting progression. So if this gets the TTK/Killspeed up to a near perfect level, so it's not meh bulletsponge enemies on the different characters, and still having the difficulty be so you can still get your ass whupped if you screw up for a second.... Yeah. This has me super excited.

Man, i never got so excited to play as Axton

You can probably make an op 8 turret build now and it be viable finally

Dude, watching you play always makes me want to play but then I want to keep wanting to watch your videos to hear what you have to say about builds and equipment so I get stuck in this vicious circle! Its a terrible problem to have lol

Really looking forward to see how impact feels. Recalling one turret always recalled both thats not something new

The bubbles look like the skill on Maya from yesterday

Quick charge is pretty strong now. It was 1% per level before and still stronger than grim and inertia. Just imagine: on 10/5 this is now 30% per second. That's huge. I'm already thinking about this on a blockade with all pangolin parts and a legendary ranger COM. You could play very agressive with that

Will this 2.5 mod patch be released as an official fix or patch for all systems? Or another unofficial community patch for PC players only???

You should test out the new stuff on bosses too! (Maybe even invincibles? Possibly a bit too much lol) Edit: although i think custom weapons is a bit off, maybe adding in weapons from BL1 and BL:TPS would be neat.

I want it, and I WANT IT NOW!!

quick charge at 15% shield regen per second is pretty solid. adding anything on top of that might've been overkill.

Hey Derch, idk if you know about this offhand but I’m pretty sure axton’s preparation skill was bugged because there was an invisible cap to shield capacity buffs. High capacity shields like turtle shields had a lot of wasted potential for this reason (and because axton’s shield skills are percentage based). Do you know if this is being addressed by the modders? I could be mistaken about the shield stats cause it’s been a while since I’ve heard anything about it, but it would be nice to know what’s going on there. P.S. thanks for the consistent quality content!

Is there a way to gain more skill points after reaching 72? Maybe award 1 point for each OP level? I would love to add more points into these super cool skilltrees as the game gets progressively harder.

Question if you take both beginning skills on a character do you double their special tree effect?

I hope they make it to where you can reclaim your turret by holding down the action skill key. It's such a nice quality of life improvement in Reborn.

Wait till Demonite gets his hands on this. That will be very interesting

Just saying you always reclaimed both turrets when you press reclaim on one (36:49)

what the sloth already had an awesome skin

Looking for a viable krieg re work which doesn't rely on niche AFK shield tactics, nor RNG based melee attacks. Let's hope for a good one. By the way Axton seems really fresh with those skills, huge fan of it :D

" Now that's amazing"

Mag lock was indeed a separate skill.

Hey Derch, can you make a video for the gun changes from this mod, i've seen a lot of different guns from people reviewing this mod, but i'm not sure if It is the mod itself or other mods.

I can't wait for the krieg changes

Not sure where we can go to give feedback to modders, since I see only see names in the description but I'll say it here. Big fan of soldier type characters, the problem is always that they're bland/mediocre. This are some idea's for gear and skills. (I know Derch says he's not an assault rifle character but we like our characters to specialize differently, so we don't just have a copy and paste gear set): ------------------------------------------------------------ Gear: Assault Rifles: Veruc: Maybe, if the spread was smaller this could be viable Seraphim: If this gets buffed a bit with either higher base damage or extra crit damage & come in corrosive as well. It could be useful all round. Bearcat: Haven't tried this out in ages but from what I remember, it needed more damage/less ammo usage per shot and a tighter spread so you didn't have to be point blank. Rocket Launchers: Tunguska: If this could change so the initial explosion is a singularity, that would be awesome. But I dunno if this is possible. Healing: If possible, perhaps you could add a Moxxi alternative, something that restores shield instead (like a Scooter or Gaige branded weapon), something like that would be good with this skill set. ------------------------------------------------------------ Skills: Generally speaking, these all look amazing but to give Axton a unique feel I would change these 2 skills: Ranger: Instead of all those small buffs (or in addition to) Give him a big increase to non elemental damage. Non elemental damage weapons are basically useless in UVHM, literally none of them get used. So maybe something like (at rank 5) +50% non elemental damage, +50% non elemental damage when turrets are out, +50% non elemental damage on assault weapons and +100% non elemental damage to slagged enemies. That extra 200%/250% might be enough to make normal damage weapons useful. (Of course, I can't test these numbers but you get the idea). Quick Charge: It's a bit basic, maybe adding some ammo regen would be good. If the non elemental damage change happens, then Shreddifier would need stock.

The grenade Regen seems a little too strong. The fire storm contributes, but I still feel like it's a little ridiculous. Maybe 2.5 or 3 grenades per minute instead of 5 at Max?

This mod looks great. It's as if the TPS devs were hired to design the BL2 characters :)

In my opinion the far right tree tiers 1 and 3 are lacking for running a health stacking build, mainly using the rough rider or evolution. In my opinion Pressure skill doesn't give enough to warrant its use, especially if using a lower capacity/nonexistent shield. For the rough rider it only supplies weapon swap speed based on health (so it won't be useful nearly at all) and using an evolution or something recharge delay isn't very good either. Maybe change the perks to include something more useful and tangible (like reload, maybe scaling damage reduction/health regen?) just something to improve that far right tree to not make health stackers sliiiiightly disappointed. in addition, does bulletproof only work with FULL shields or any active shield? I'd like to see it maybe work with always deflecting bullets but the bullet damage reduction scales depending on how low the shield is (lower shield increases damage reduction) love all this!

40:00 5 grit chain i love the new changes, but you gotta work on your turret placement, that bothered me throughout the vid!

I know, mod + mod, but Impact + Punter. Ewww And as a Kreig main, I can't wait to see what 2.5 has for everyone's favorite Poop Train Conductor

1:02:19 you may have critted with the storm front there.

Also, a small question if you feel like answering. I want to have a profile pic that's easily identifiable by people so they don't have to look at my name. Have any ideas?

"It's like Christmas."

Holy crap, those shield skills in the right tree are going to make the Blockade INSANE. Can't wait for this. EDIT: Slightly disappointed that his swap speed's been delegated to Pressure only, it's one of my most-prioritized stats since hotswapping is so important in these games. I'll have to see how it works in action though.

Damn, I hope 2.5 makes it to consoles somehow. I've got several hundred hours on Steam but I also have an unopened PS4 copy of the Handsome Collection just chillin lol

Can't wait to see what they do to zer0 and kriegs trees