Briggs 5HP Block Comparison, Koolbore, I/C and Raptor 3

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fnaguitarplayer9

fnaguitarplayer9

5 жыл бұрын

Video showing the main differences in the common 5HP Briggs and Stratton Engine blocks, starting with the aluminum bore, or koolbore engine then to the I/C and Raptor 3, also talk about some of the differences in the new Raptor 4 blocks. Next video will be building a Raptor 3 with almost all new or NOS parts! Thanks for Watching!

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@Hjerte_Verke
@Hjerte_Verke Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the governor gear acts as a "secondary oil slinger" because a third or half of it dips into the oil, but it would not serve as a main lubricator because it is not in the right place really, it is too far away from the crank. And at speeds anywhere above idle, all 20 ounces of oil in the sump is pretty much a mist flying all around the crankcase anyway. At idle though, the governor gear probably does a great job at keeping the camshaft lubed and the crank too at the PTO end.
@wildefox1478
@wildefox1478 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the differences in the blocks, pretty interesting!
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
Your welcome, Thanks for Watching!!!
@chevybrat
@chevybrat 2 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation...very informative. Thanks!
@rverro8478
@rverro8478 5 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine you stepping up a notch with a mini turbo. Thanks for sharing.
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
haha I didn't take it that far but I got a beefy engine haha Thanks for Watching!!!
@Hjerte_Verke
@Hjerte_Verke Жыл бұрын
Best thing you can do for these engines is to always run them with a good air filter and keep them oiled up -- keep on top of your oil changes because changing the oil is how you filter the oil. Old oil flows poorly and after a few years will turn to sludge (which doesn't flow at all really). Briggs used to recommend straight SAE 30 for everything except extreme cold (SAE 20) and I prefer it because I was getting higher oil consumption with a mult-viscosity 5W-30, 10W-30 oils.
@ChargerMiles007
@ChargerMiles007 Жыл бұрын
Very informative vid!
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 5 жыл бұрын
Glad all mine are simple and hope they stay that way but folks want to go fast. I found out a long time ago that if you go fast, you stop even faster, usually with a lot of screaming and ouches. Good explanation video, Pal! Thanks and pick me one!
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
I hear ya! That is so true! Thanks for Watching!!!
@watermanone7567
@watermanone7567 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Many thanks.
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for Watching!!!
@chadriggs3322
@chadriggs3322 3 жыл бұрын
I recently bought a 1988 snapper mower with a 5hp Briggs and Stratton I/C model 131922-0169-01 . I made a stupid mistake and test ran it without oil in it. I thought it had a little oil but I didn’t wipe the dip stick so I was fooled into thinking it had enough oil to test it but it was dry. Guess it was drained before putting it away. I ran it for around 15 seconds and it died. The carb Welch plug was leaking gas so I hammered it in more. That’s when I checked the oil and realized it was empty. I put Briggs and Stratton 30w in it with a tiny bit of sea foam to help clean the crank case and mowed the yard. I changed the oil right after and the oil had a grayish silvery cloudy look to it. I got a magnet and it picked up some small stringy flakes but most of the metal that attached to the magnet looked like the sludgy looking metal that normally is attached to transmission pan magnets when you go to change your transmission filter. My question is do you think I need to rebuild it now? It starts on the first or second pull and I don’t hear any rod knock. Engine sounds normal. It’s possible the metal was already present in the crankcase before I bought it.
@Hjerte_Verke
@Hjerte_Verke Жыл бұрын
OOF man. I know the feeling. All that silvery color in the oil might just be from the con rod wearing on the crank journal. I would at the very least take it all apart and inspect the cylinder, crank journal and connecting rod. Without oil, a lot of wear occurs at the con rod and it will most likely be deeply scored although running it for 15 seconds only, that seems minor. At the very minimum you could get by with a new connecting rod and cleaning up the journal (aluminum being the softer metal, the con rod will start welding itself to the journal with high heat and no lubrication). If there is aluminum deposits on the journal it can be removed with muriatic acid and polishing it with very fine crocus cloth, making sure to polish it evenly on all sides. Then, measure the clearance on the new rod and rod cap on the old crank journal with Plasti-Gauge to make sure it is still within factory specifications. Clean everything up, put it back together, add oil and you should be back in business. Taryl Fixes All has a decent 1hr+ video on refurbishing a 5 HP Briggs flathead and covers most if not everything I said.
@CraigArndt
@CraigArndt 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 5 hp Briggs, basic model from my 1992 Pony tiller. It lost compression, but think I’m going to rebuild it. It has a secondary pulley for reverse and I really want to keep reverse. I may see if I can get a sleeve put in it… didn’t know about the chrome rings for the rebuild, glad to know that.
@brandonupchurch7628
@brandonupchurch7628 Жыл бұрын
if you the engine is screwed, if these are like tecumseh dual shaft engines, you should be able to get another 5hp engine single pto engine in good condition, and swap the cam and the rear cover from the old dual pto motor.
@Hjerte_Verke
@Hjerte_Verke Жыл бұрын
Really rare for a tiller engine to be trashed because they get used very little about an hour per year to till a garden, at least by a homeowner. If they belong to a commercial business they might be well worn. Quite a few I have run across just needed a cleanup...AND to restore compression a valve job and proper valve clearance. Check that.
@warlock-designs-customizations
@warlock-designs-customizations Жыл бұрын
Does the dual shaft PTO 5hp that was on lots of tillers allowing for reverse interchange with all of these engines?
@cravenmoorehead5636
@cravenmoorehead5636 Жыл бұрын
They stopped making raptor blocks in 1999. Also you dont need a R4 block for a open build. R4 blocks are not a major upgrade. They actually cause the crank to bind. Another thing is the stock raptor rods with the intrigated oil dipper were a weak point. That's why WKA eventually allowd the use of the arc billet rods.
@Deans64
@Deans64 Жыл бұрын
now the motor running do you think the cam will Mest up the block not being having lifter aired welled up
@brianonthego
@brianonthego 2 жыл бұрын
Had a go kart with dual ball bearing crank and steel bore...fun times..ran it on methanol.
@zacharystevens8527
@zacharystevens8527 3 жыл бұрын
What is the model number of the first block?
@lsumaniac2485
@lsumaniac2485 5 жыл бұрын
Hello what is the part number for that crank I need to find one thanks
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
there are several part #'s that will work but the one i went with is #492088 heads up it is really hard to find, there may be used ones on ebay that would be a better choice and easier to find. Thanks for Watching!
@cravenmoorehead5636
@cravenmoorehead5636 Жыл бұрын
they sold koolbore Raptors buddy and alot of guys swore by them.
@ihus9950
@ihus9950 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks I didn't know the Raptor 4 had ball bearings on both sides of crankshaft, that's a good thing. I might build one. Just built a Predator engine 6.5 hp, billet connecting rod, flywheel, and high lift cam. No governor, Did that make a difference on the kids mini bike lol
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
Your welcome. Yep, and alot of I/C blocks had dual bearings too. I started to build a predator for it, but i really like the old flatheads. I heard that!!! Thanks for Watching!
@ackleyengineering5413
@ackleyengineering5413 Жыл бұрын
My raptor 3 is dual bearing as well
@cravenmoorehead5636
@cravenmoorehead5636 Жыл бұрын
@@ackleyengineering5413 no it's not dual ball bearing. Only r4s were dual ball bearing.
@ackleyengineering5413
@ackleyengineering5413 Жыл бұрын
@@cravenmoorehead5636 mine is most definitely a raptor 3 and is dual bearing. Did they make early 4s with 3 cover and serial #?
@macknumber9
@macknumber9 5 жыл бұрын
Where can I find oversize rings for a Briggs 5 horsepower? With aluminum cylinder (kool bore) is honing to be avoided? If so can I just put new rings in and be ok or should I measure the cylinder and ring gaps?
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 5 жыл бұрын
One should always do the measuring. I put new standard rings in a kool bore tiller engine that had decent compression but smoked. The piston was minus a bit of chrome but the cylinder was withing 5 thou, Recall reading that with that amount of wear a set of std chrome rings was all that was required. Unfortunately chrome rings could not be had. Used regular rings and the smoking cleared up in an hour our 2 of use.
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
If its aluminum bore your supposed to use chrome rings, but I have heard of some using the standard cast iron rings. chrome is recommended. I'm actually going to be doing some experimenting at some point with this. You can still get chrome rings as well, I've been buying from mfgsupply or off of ebay. Thanks for Watching!!!
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
Very true. I've been wanting to try regular rings in a couple alum. bore engines I have, just to see if it will work or not. I wanted to try a oversize piston too, but can't get a plated oversize piston so it probably will seize up with a regular piston. Thanks for Watching!!!
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 5 жыл бұрын
fnaguitarplayer9 about 3 years ago when I was working on my engine I could not source chrome rings for it. NOS can come and go, 3rd party parts can too.
@jonsmith2217
@jonsmith2217 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to have a minimum of 140 AMP one wire alternator portable battery charger with a 5 or 8 horsepower engine running it. with the most horsepower and the most stamps. Are the built engines dependable? And what would you go with to run this and keeping the lightest-weight engine I can because I'll be lifting this a bit? I want dependability and longevity thanks.
@knurlgnar24
@knurlgnar24 5 жыл бұрын
I made a lengthy video series on this topic that you probably wouldn't be interested in sitting through, but there is a lot that goes into building a charger like you describe and having it work properly. The very first thing I would suggest is to NOT use a 140A single wire alternator. What alternator chassis are you planning to use? The 10si simply will not work for your application for example. A 27si works great I found but only does 80A (for the 100A model). For 80A you will need about 200cc of torque - for 140A you will need in the low 300's. This is assuming you run a standard 3600RPM engine which would be best for reliability. The 2nd main advice I would give is to size the pulleys to either be direct drive or close to 1:1 in ratio for reasons I describe in my video series. This is optimal for typical automotive alternators and typical small engines that you want to run at 3000 or so RPM. In short, my advice is to use a 27si alternator with a low 200's cc engine (Honda GX or Briggs IC or Vanguard would be good choices) with a 1:1 drive ratio. This will be a great setup that will last you a long time and be reliable in all weather, load conditions, and use cases. But it won't do is 140A continuous - and neither will most any alternator that claims 140A unless it is a very expensive one designed for busses, OTR semi trucks, etc, and many of those are 24V.
@danielauen7790
@danielauen7790 2 жыл бұрын
I just pulled a 3hp 80202 1765 03 out of a bush on a buddies property, Dont know alot about it yet, It fires off on brake cleaner. Still deciding what to do with it.
@Hjerte_Verke
@Hjerte_Verke Жыл бұрын
Nice score. They're good for classic minibikes or even a newly made classic like an Azusa.
@danielauen7790
@danielauen7790 Жыл бұрын
@@Hjerte_Verke I scored a seemingly much better engine... someone tossed a predator 420 because it blew an oil seal.. seems to run fine, barring the only runs on choke issue..
@AdmiralDG
@AdmiralDG Жыл бұрын
​@@danielauen7790I scored similar on my property, 5HP I/C on a tiller, still tills haha(looks to be mid 1960s and left in the field for at least 10 years). Once the tiller tines finally give up I will be rebuilding it for a go cart!
@bighomieJ5X
@bighomieJ5X 8 ай бұрын
how do people stroke these ?
@lydonlafitte8925
@lydonlafitte8925 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Frank, I picked up a really neat old B&S 5 HP. I'm guessing its gotta be from the 50s or 60s. I really want you to take a look at it so maybe you can tell me if ya know anything about it or you can use some parts off of it. Is there a way I can message you or get a hold of you?
@fnaguitarplayer9
@fnaguitarplayer9 5 жыл бұрын
I hear ya! I'd love to see it, if you could make a video on here and link it to me that would be the best way. Thanks for Watching!!!
@lydonlafitte8925
@lydonlafitte8925 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Frank, I may have to consult you on a few things!
@jonathanwhite7968
@jonathanwhite7968 2 жыл бұрын
I love my Briggs everyone I know trying to get me buy a predator
@gmcinnis6304
@gmcinnis6304 2 жыл бұрын
u can have both? there is no LAW... yet abt owning 2 of them. to compare and contrast them. "the other one" has the same cc's 212... now 225cc but more HP cuz the OHV head flows better than the L head. and hot rod parts a plenty off e bay and other sources for ..."the other one". just dont let any of ur BRIGGS brothers see u with..."the other one" ... when u go... DARKSIDE. the "other one" 6.5 hp at 3600 rpm's... but put some bigger springs/ CM 265" lift cam, port the head, billet rod, PVL flywheel and send it to 7000 RPM's... 10...12.. hp. watch U tube vid Gx 200... and what it does at speed... 15 ft/lbs 4500 to 5000.... 15 HP from 6500 to end of test at 6900... with other carb/intake/air filter header
@cravenmoorehead5636
@cravenmoorehead5636 Жыл бұрын
Bushing side covers are junk for kart or bike applications. All the torque and strain wear them out very quick.
@cravenmoorehead5636
@cravenmoorehead5636 Жыл бұрын
the dual bearing blocks are actually worse. Reputable engine builders on Bob's4cycles have proven it on the dyno.
@Hjerte_Verke
@Hjerte_Verke Жыл бұрын
I love Bob's forums, the knowledge there is top tier.
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