Click the link and use code 'ITSJOEL' for a discount on your carVertical check! www.carvertical.com/gb/landing/v3?a=itsjoel&b=38b26e3a&voucher=itsjoel

Once you’ve had a Range Rover, they’re always in your blood! I’m on number 5

After owning both a 4.2SC L322 and a Cayenne S, I’m still on the fence. I’ll be in the market for a Cayenne Turbo S or a 4.2/5.0SC L322 in a few months time. The L322 felt far more special and the supercharged lump was absolutely faultless. What wasn’t faultless was the rest of the car. As you know, the maintenance is fairly relentless unless it’s had an absolute fortune thrown at it prior to ownership. It was a charming thing though. The cayenne felt a bit cold, in comparison and certainly doesn’t win on either the exterior or interior appearance front. With that said, it was just as comfortable, dynamically superior and didn’t give you the dreaded anticipation of something going wrong with every journey, like most L322’s do. Even if my Cayenne eventually decided to jettison it’s clutch (don’t get a manual). My heart says L322, my head says Cayenne. I’ll see how your situation plays out to help me make an informed decision!

Do you want my L322? 2003, Epsom Green with cream interior. 3.0 TD6 so it actually gets double figures MPG. Obviously the downside is it's not ULEZ as a diesel. Good points include a new gearbox, sill and arch welding done, new genuine air suspension compressor and steering u-joint. I've spent a big pile of cash on it in the last two years. Bad points are some tatty bits inside (it's been well loved but well used), no A/C, a slow drain on the battery and a squeaky turbo if it's left sitting for too long. I want shot of it to someone who won't just break it for parts. Oh, and it would be dirt cheap. We're talking enough left over from your budget to buy a Cayenne as well if you wanted.

“Fragile Little Sausages” Love it ! You’ve done the Range Rover - Time to experience a Cayenne ! ❤

The fact you’ve owned 2 L322’s and still gravitate towards it, probably tells you what your answer is! I think no matter which Cayenne/Maybe even an X5/X6 - I think at the end of the day you’ll still be longing for the L322 - you obviously have a special connection to it, listen to your heart!

L322 all the way, you’ll be disappointed with the Porsche….i was!

Joel, you’ve done the L322. Go for a Cayenne it will be super cool. Remember the VW Touareg that would be super cool too

We’ve seen 2 L322 Range Rovers on the channel now, it would be cool to see another but it would be nice to go for a change and get a 955 Cayenne.. looking forward to whatever you purchase Joel! 😃

Great video mate. I would love an L322 Vogue. My dream car. Thanks for the info. Take care fella. Steve.

Really enjoy this type of video actually. Just as interesting as actual car content.

I have pondered over the same two cars myself, the Porsche has always been a bit of a secret crush of mine. I also love the fact that you look for similar characteristics in cars as I do, such as high spec models that haven’t been ruined by adding aftermarket options, staying a true to spec as possible. I currently own a P38 4.6 Vogue, so for some time now I have been thinking about adding a 5.0 supercharged L322 to the driveway. I have always been outspoken about the “lesser models” of Range Rovers, however after having taken a trip away twice recently and hired an L320 RR Sport Autobiography Sport 3.6 TDV8, I’ve fallen in love and now I’m in the process of buying one 😅🤦🏻‍♂️

If you like something sharp to drive, buy the Porsche, if you want a bit more plushness, buy the Rangie. Also, as a Cayenne 955 manual owner, the reason why a lot of the head units get changed is because the PCM2 head unit is garbage, and they go bad for various reasons including causing a battery drain. And a replacement is a lot. I have a Erisin unit with CarPlay. Looks factory and works better than the original.

Theres a great video by a US Porsche specialist that talk thorough what model v8 cayenne to buy. Some significant upgrades they made with the V8 engines that id definitely recommend considering. I still bought a diesel 7p VW touareg to tow with but the cayenne video helped a lot. I considered one for a long time. Price in Australia dictated most.

Cayenne is happy sitting at 100mph on cruise Rangie makes you feel special

Had a 957 Cayenne GTS in carrara white over cognac for a good while, it was quite a nice car, a few squeaks and rattles but you expect that sort of thing. The 4.4 V8 really likes to sing. The upgraded sport seats in the GTS were very supportive and comfortable as well.

Hey Joel, love the cat footage 👍Great to see you are a proud cat lover, you have gone up even more kn my estimation.

Knowing land rovers reliability I would personally choose the porsche

I daily drive a Cayenne Turbo S, 955 and it is amazing. Spent loads on pre-emptive dealing with common issues at a specialist when I bought it but for the last year it hasn't needed a thing. I have owned a couple of Range Rovers and the Cayenne is so much more refined, air suspension great, really quiet, pulls like an absolute train and is super reliable. 17 years old so a few niggles for sure but at just over 80k miles it's hardly run in. Life is for living, mpg is for wimps! Get a Cayenne but buy a decent one.

Have you considered that an 8 speed gearbox doesnt neccessarily mean better mpg than the 7 speed? They dont just add an extra (higher) gear, theres a good chance the gear ratio for 7th in the old box is similar to 8th in the new box. The benefit is closer gear ratios and a smoother drive

Loved the video etc. but what was the black mark on your top?

I’ve had a RR L320 supercharged and a Porsche Cayenne S. I now drive a BMW X5 V8. Range Rover I wouldn’t go back but if a nice Cayenne Turbo came along I may add it to the driveway.

Because it isn't my money and because I've always fancied both cars but they're too rich for me, I'd love to see you go all out to see the best cayenne you can get for your budget. Maybe your Porsche buddies might be able to put you in a trade in cayenne for a steal price? Worth an explore maybe. In the mean time I'll keep driving my XC60 pretending I'm in a 4x4

Bro get a Cayenne, you’ve had a couple Lr3’s! Switch it up, you can always sell it & get a LR3 for the next car. I always switch it up in my cars, that way i never get bored. Cheers Kirk

You know you want the Range ❤ bloody love them

Fundamentally the decision for either car has a great deal to do with content for your channel as well as a daily for you personally. You have been there and done that with range rovers and it’s generally going to become a repeat series on your channel. The TT and Volvo have been interesting to watch because they were new for your channel. So a Porsche is going to be fresh and and will be seen as a progression whilst you move your channel forward. Look at Paul Wallace channel, great guy but he just does the same thing with the same cars and his channel views have plummeted. Look at Sams on the other hand and he is doing wonderful content because he is constantly striving for new content. Up to you Joel but it’s your business and think of it in those terms as look after the business and it will deep you the rewards. Keep up the great work. 👍🏼

I totally agree with the LPG thing, when looking for my 7 series, I looked at a few others like Lexus and I find it off putting straight away.

Have you thought about the insurance? it has gone up considerably, and if you live in London, you might not get insured at all.

Had them! I drive my L322 now! It is the best daily driver for me.

Currently have a L322, 59 plate, 74k 5.0 Supercharged, Autobiography, in black, with parchment. Owned 6 years, it has never let us down, no lights absolutely no issues. I’ve owned two Cayenne 4.5, one in black, black trim, silver grey trim. I would have Porsche, appreciate its personal choice, the Porsche is better made, it just feels more solid.

Agree completely about the lpg issue, would never buy a car with lpg fitted. If you can’t afford to run a nice car then buy something cheap rather than ruining a nice car with lpg. It also probably suggests it may well have been run on a tight budget. Loving the content!

You mentioned ULEZ when discounting diesels. That first petrol RR is Euro3 and not compliant?

L322 4.4 TDV8 hands down, now that you have a 10k budget this is the way to go, you should be able to get a good one for 8k. If you get the Porsche you will always have that feeling you are driving 2nd best.

Joel, if you’re looking for a Land Rover independent specialist who I believe is quite close to you and I, Landers Garage in Houghton Regis are really good. I used them for my Freelander 2, and they are well priced and know loads as it’s what they specialise in, and they have courtesy Freelanders too

Hi Joel, great video. On page two you missed a 2008 white GTS for about 7900

If you want to get through the winter relatively unscathed then I’d go for the Porsche.I don’t think it’s a like for like comparison tbh.

I know you have had a RR so the cayenne makes sense but for me the RR looks better inside and out by far , the cayenne will drive more sportier but again for me the relaxation drive of the RR

I recognize the doubt, going true the same fase right know 😅😅

Dont let your heart rule your head... Ideally Form and Function are equally balanced in the car world but having owned both Porsches and Range Rover products there is no contest when it comes to reliability. I have owned 4 Range Rover products from new and had to reject two of them for ongoing reliability issues. Only had 2 Porsches as they are so bloody expensive to buy and maintain - took them both round Europe and not a hint of any problems. Also moved them on quickly as they hold their value strongly - got the same money I paid for the Macan as Porsche could not make and supply them quickly enough at the time. Landrover products always look so nice and I wish they would put as much effort as they do in design into engineering. The sad fact is they dont and no surprise they continually get a kicking in the reliability surveys.

Consider a Lexus RX450h, not only will it get you there, it will get you back as well 👍

Would love to see the Cayenne on the channel!

What happened to the Jaguar S Type?

You may not be aware that insurance for Range Rovers has gone ballistic. If you can get it. I would check it out if I was you.

Got to be another RR. I love your cat!👍

Trouble with buying cars is, we spend hours pouring over specs, owner reviews,etc Then find one thats just down the road and discover what we really want is to travel the shortest distance and all the specs etc go up in smoke as you convince yourself the local car is the one you want😅

L322 would be my choice, but then I’ve always thought that sports styled MPVs look ridiculous. I’m going to defend (factory fitted) privacy glass though. I know it’s subjective, but when you look around at your rear seat passengers sitting in shaded air conditioned luxury on a blisteringly hot day, you find yourself wishing it was legal to have it all around! Of course, you do come to your senses when reversing the damn thing at night. It then becomes very apparent why the law is as it is.

Mid 20's is a bit of a dream in my Turbo S, round town is 15-17, on the motorway its about 25-27mpg. It is very quick though....

I have a cayenne turbo and is looking to get a tdv8, as I'm really intrigued by RR

It's Cat! Good informative content!

If you want a car for guaranteed content (ie you know it's going to breakdown and have numerous problems) then buy a range rover. For me the Porsche is far more interesting.

L322 looks like great value, but get an insurance quote before pulling the trigger. There are really scary things going on with Range Rover insurance, some companies won't insure you even if your record is perfect, other companies are charging over £10k to insure the car. It seems to be a specific Range Rover thing, they are great cars if your insurance company will cover you.

Joel, I had the same dilemma until i watched one of your videos on an L322 and that, made up my mind. L322 all the way.

A Cayenne gts would be a great option

Either car will give you good content, but if you want transport without content, but a Kia Sorento or something that will actually work for an entire season at a time ;-). So depends on your goals for this specific vehicle.

As someone who bought the L322, buy the Porsche (or anything else).

There are worse dilemmas to have 👍

The reason the L405's will have taken a big price dump is insurance. I would check you can actually get any before you buy. I think you will be shocked at the prices compared to the last time you owned one.

The coolant pipes fail across the top of the engine between the 2 Vs on the Cayenne’s and cause the need for engine rebuilds. Be careful.

Stick with the range rover my mate has had 3 porsche cayennes all 3 were absolute money pits far more expensive to maintain than a range rover and they have there problems keep us all updated joel good luck 👍

Porsche all the way great video what happened to your v8 jag

Would love to see you get a grand Cherokee, say around an 07 plate

RR all day, especially for the winter

It's horses for courses really! You know L322s very well and have contacts who could fix any problems. People say Porsches are brilliant, but they can also be very expensive to fix if they have a problem. I personally would go for the Range Rover if I had the maintenance budget (which I don't) as there's just something about them. Oh, and there's just been a Range Rover advert on at the end of your video!

Joel! I keep telling you...go salvage with Salvage Nation and get yourself a L405 and get yourself a bargin.

4.2 supercharged l322 may be a interesting buy

As a subscriber I'd watch content on the Cayenne but have no interest in another Range Rover video.

Check your insurance before getting range rover as with some models the insurance has shot up 😮😢

Any updates on the Jag fella?

I’ve had two Range rovers and would never buy another ! I know my Cayenne will get me there, plus it will out handle any Range Rover . When ever I see a Rangy pushed , it looks like a block of flats about to fall over and completely out of shape .

you have had L322 and it is a bug we gravitate to them again and again. the Porsche is really pricy (love them too) when it comes to spare parts i would compare the service costs and then decide.

As nice as the L322's are, think about insurance too, as I believe they're getting hit badly because of the thefts lately? I'd go for a nice Porsche, not a V6 though, as I'm sure you'll tire of it pretty quickly?

Go for the Porsche. RR insurance is very high now due to thefts etc..

TDV8 definitely!

You've been there and done that. (range rover). Try the German alternative. You may be surprised. See you in the next one. 👀👀👍👍

Living where you live you don't really need a 4WD. There’s not even an incline close by let alone a hill

I have a friend who has had both, a 2011 V8 Vogue and a 2016 Porsche Cayenne Diesel. He loved the Range Rover but it did spend some time in the Garage. The Porsche on the other hand he described as the most reliable car he had ever had. I haven't driven either but have been a passenger many times and the Range Rover was marginally more comfortable and opulent. He does love Range Rovers though and has bought as new one because of ULEZ. I did drive an earlier Range Rover of his which was a V8 supercharged Overfinch which was a blast. Being rational the Porsche is a more sensible option, it is almost certainly better built, the whole philosophy of the German Luxury brands is different to British ones, and dare I say it German workers have a different mindset too. For someone and no disrespect is intended, who is perhaps a bit mechanically challenged you will probably spend less with the Porsche. The Cayenne is probably for sale now, White with a tan interior but probably outside your price range and not ULEZ but fastidiously maintained and cleaned

Another big saloon 👍👍👍

UK Car youtube really is just L322s, BMWs and MX5s now. Getting very Groundhog Day

Both

24:25 and then you see the car after you sell it with hideous bits back on. Also I believe there is a company in the US that sells Bmw e38/e39 also fits L322s factory looking head units with apple CarPlay and android auto. But they are really expensive like aleast £500.

Drop the idea on both the Porsche and Range Rover and look to the BMW.

Get the Cayenne. You can't know if you want something other than an RR without trying it.

I'm on the lookout for a 4.2 RR myself. So hard to find a good one, as most are scruffy, poor advert, rust issues or massively overpriced.

L405 💰

This is so easy Joel it's an L322 all day long, you'll regret getting anything else, just to jazz it up for the channel you could get a full phat 1st generation l322 lol would make excellent content

Theres dealers on AT asking £20-30k for L322 with 50-60k miles but WBAC book them at £10k ish. Thats some mark up. Anyone buying them is gonna lose their pants.

check piston heads too mate

Both?

cayenne

Joel have you considered buying a Toyota Aygo, they are more reliable than the Range Rover and faster than the Porsche

4.4 tdv8 for the win i habe a 2011 vouge se all the gadgets. Best car ever

I have a 40d X5 and just suck up the £12.50 ULEZ twice a month when I drive in to London. Go 4.4 L322

Porsche for a change

My Cayenne fell to pieces and only did 12mpg. My L322 tdv8 does 35mpg on long runs

Love high peaks auto channel

Look Joel - do you want country estate or council estate?

The cheapest ones you can find and do a series with it

Porsche please!!!!

Reading some of the comments it seems if it’s your heart it’s a RR if you use your head, it’s a Cayenne 😅 the RR could be a better channel car… and more popular with UK audiences.

Regarding your comment about white Range Rovers with black wheels looking like " Council Estate" isn't driving a decade-old heavily depreciated luxury vehicle trying to portray an image of wealth that the driver doesn't have the same thing?