Can an impeached judge serve on the JSC?

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9 күн бұрын

Impeached Judge John Hlophe has been nominated by the MK party to serve on the Judicial Service Committee. Hlophe was impeached four months ago after being found guilty of gross misconduct. The former judge now serves as the MK party’s leader in Parliament.
Can an impeached judge serve on the JSC?
Research Consultant from Freedom under Law Chris Oxtoby President of the Black Lawyers Association Mavundlela Nkosana weigh in.
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@mthabelenimthembu1425 8 күн бұрын

The reasons we usually find ourselves in these situations, is bcos we tend to create laws to punish those we dont like politically without looking at the legal consequences

@bongumusashezi4587 4 күн бұрын

very true

@mallimapengu5412 8 күн бұрын

Why do people make laws out of the constitution? Anything concerning Zuma and MK has separate laws that are not in the constitution

@sifisodube4686 8 күн бұрын

Exactly witch is very wrong Zuma his a disaster

@ohlangeni 8 күн бұрын

@@sifisodube4686 Sfiso Dube, a fake Disinformation account

@ohlangeni 8 күн бұрын

This Sfiso Dube is a fake Disinformation account

@JackMakgoka 7 күн бұрын

And its so disgusting.Now its clear that the system is playing the man not the game.Hlope's nomination is a political one and he will be sitting with other members. It's not like he is the one who is going to make those appointments or rejections. He is not a member of JSC mus

@ohlangeni 7 күн бұрын

Sifiso Dube is a fake Disinformation account

@user-lo9me7vs2r 8 күн бұрын

I'm very concerned about the attack on MK party by the media and racist members of our society. These double standards and hypocrisy is not needed in our country. MK party was voted by millions of South Africans. Not an MK member but I'm very concerned about these double standards.

@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 8 күн бұрын

As anyone concerned about their country should be.

@picassocube3521 8 күн бұрын

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 you're not concerned that your president has an impeachable case, to which HAWKS has taken 2 years without saying a thing?

@picassocube3521 8 күн бұрын

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Does JSC elect Judges? Is Judge Dr Mandlenkosi John Hlophe's opinion more powerful than anyone in the JSC?

@mphorakabe8463 8 күн бұрын

And millions also voted for the ethical leadership

@modisemakokwe4256 8 күн бұрын

What crime has he committed,tell us please

@samkunene7521 8 күн бұрын

Members are for the parties. Hlophe has explained that he is not a judge.

@Seeta_sa_gauta 8 күн бұрын

Google why he was impeached

@thulaninkwanyana9585 8 күн бұрын

Why this obsession abt Dr Hlophe?He is more qualified than most in that panel

@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub 8 күн бұрын

He doesn't deserve to run a chess club.

@dandyally9983 8 күн бұрын

@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ubBecause he is not a puppet?

@EdmundWilliamWessels 7 күн бұрын

It's not about his qualifications It's about his conduct. His a corrupt judge which rather follows political parties ideologies an not the law.

@dandyally9983 7 күн бұрын

@@EdmundWilliamWessels Are you talking about Zondo since Dr Hlophe is not a judge

@mgcinenindlangamandla6544 7 күн бұрын

@@EdmundWilliamWesselsZondo is the one who is corrupt along side Ramaphosa

@sibusisonkosi3469 8 күн бұрын

Strange that we've got judges who served under apartheid and according to them is acceptable because of their skin

@susanlarhubarbe9475 8 күн бұрын

Please name which judges you're referring to; or are you just singing a song that others are singing?

@sibusisonkosi3469 8 күн бұрын

@@susanlarhubarbe9475 you can find out for yourself and deal with the fact that democratic government inherited apartheid judges even parliamentarians like Piet the friend of Hani's killers. Piet was the leader of Conservative party.

@baphithi 7 күн бұрын

@@susanlarhubarbe9475none of them were removed. Think!!

@OkuhleMtilwaKaMjoli 8 күн бұрын

Mavundlela is very Sober 👏👏

@RazoMarazo 8 күн бұрын

Why anybody from the MK being called all sort of names????

@user-gu4df7mk6x 8 күн бұрын

Hlophe's case is a disciplinary matter not a case of guilt in the criminal proceedings. So you are building a mountain of ice as usual.

@user-en3hg8oi4i 8 күн бұрын

That’s very interesting. If a layman with no legal credentials like Julius Malema can hold a position in the JSC, it would be rather weird barring a known academic with credentials of being in the JSC. This is actually making us weary of the agenda of those who don’t want to give MKP the respect it deserves. If perception had such power, we would have a new president and a new Chief justice by now.

@gabisiledladla4404 7 күн бұрын

He is no longer a judge and just an ordinary citizen. He has no criminal record as well. Puppet media is disgusting

@samkunene7521 8 күн бұрын

Lying. When a person is fired, that is final punishment. When his career resuscitate, you are no more able to apply your punitive tools of a past case.

@SidumoNgetu 8 күн бұрын

1000% right my Niggar leave these Propagandists because we know what agenda they are pushing and it's a shame

@jameskillu9171 8 күн бұрын

what crime has Hlophe ever done, please mention it for you to sound credible,

@EdmundWilliamWessels 7 күн бұрын

He manipulated the law and was seen as a person with no integrity.

@baphithi 7 күн бұрын

@@EdmundWilliamWessels examples! Manipulating the law is not a crime. Our laws are being manipulated day in day out to serve a certain group’s agenda and no one has a problem with it other than the people being subjugated. An actual criminal is a minister and you have no problem with that, why? Why are you always fearful?

@EdmundWilliamWessels 7 күн бұрын

@@baphithi well that is why we need more judges with integrity and he will not be a good candidate to select good judges. All departments have to be rebuild after the Zuma era. I don't think Mandela was short sighted when he started the Scorpions. Today the whole ANC is implicated not just some. Even the lot which started MK and EFF.

@jabuxaba9777 6 күн бұрын

@@EdmundWilliamWessels do you understand the the concept of "crime" within the contextual parameters of law? Following your logic, if "crime" was committed, why there's no CRIMINAL CHARGE against him? Was seen by a "panel" of his colleagues and political nemesis as to be having "no" integrity is now a CRIME?

@SibusisoFgama 6 күн бұрын

@@EdmundWilliamWessels there was no manipulation of the system. It was all political. He said "kusesandleni zenuke madoda"(its all in your hands) to the judges in Zuma's case

@rock882josh7 8 күн бұрын

Can Zizi Kodwa be an MP despite the step-aside rule?

@mphorakabe8463 8 күн бұрын

Step aside rule is for ANC,in a government setting there is LRA

@baphithi 7 күн бұрын

@@mphorakabe8463step aside rule has applied because of an accusation of criminal activity.

@picassocube3521 8 күн бұрын

Does Chris knows that president Ramaphosa has an impeachable case, according to the panel led by Chief Justice Ncgobo, and that case is stagnant, but Ramaphosa has been reelected, and he is continuing with his presidential duties, but Chris's public perception doesn't matter there! Right now we should be asking ourselves how far the HAWKS have gone, it's been 2 years no!

@ThembaTsela 8 күн бұрын

Dr Hlophe is a Member of Parliament, there is no law on which assignment can serve. Nobody must interfere with Parliament and it's Committees. Impeachment is for serving as a judge - not as an MP.

@baphithi 7 күн бұрын

He can even teach the law in our institutions.

@Nothingbutthetruth6693 7 күн бұрын

So if my current employer dismis me of gross misconduct should i not be employed again?

@krisndove6749 8 күн бұрын

Leave John Hlophe alone Mr Ramaphosa and your media

@SidumoNgetu 8 күн бұрын

It will depend what he did but I tell you it was Political Hlophe is innocent he was fired by DA and ANC so that they can continue........., everyone knows what I'm talking about😎man

@thamimasuku3443 8 күн бұрын

Its amazing that issues are discussed parallel to the law. We know this is a prelude to so-called NGOs being used to create “Hlophe law” through the courts.

@krisndove6749 8 күн бұрын

Yes there's nothing to stop Hlophe

@kulaniful 8 күн бұрын

Mvundlela is spot on

@BeXEllenttoeachother 8 күн бұрын

Sloppy has already brought the Justice system iinto disrepute. Sloppy has broken all the rules and this disqualifies him. Only those acting in brute bad faith could possibly support his participation.

@ThembaTsela 8 күн бұрын

PA Leader might end up Police or Correctional Minister.

@user-vc2hv2ih5p 7 күн бұрын

He is now Dr Hlope, not judge. He is not on the judge's bench. So he has every right to move on in any direction he wishes. This is a different platform altogether unlike Zuma

@jameskillu9171 8 күн бұрын

Hlophe was sworm in as an MP, and is qualified to sit in JSC as an MP.

@mazengemazenge3548 7 күн бұрын

Law is not bssed on personal opinion. Constitution is the guiding principle.

@XolaniKiviet 8 күн бұрын

Impeached? Stop that quote before it affects your names. He was not charged and found guilty in court. Stop fighting wars that you as the media doesn't include you. Long live Dr Hlophe

@ossborn100 8 күн бұрын

YOU LIKE OR NOT DR HLOPHE WILL SIT IN THE JSC

@xoleladouws2073 6 күн бұрын

This is why it’s so important to look at law on both sides of the argument so one can have a holistic view and then themselves make an informed decision. How do you start of from saying “yes” to then agreeing that there’s no express provision to exclude an impeached judge. We have to debunk and problematise what one thinks is public opinion and actually let them own it and say “we don’t want you there”.

@ThembaTsela 8 күн бұрын

So long as it's not illegal, the Leader of the Opposition must serve in the JSC

@dmdletshe 3 күн бұрын

he is not going there as a Judge but as a member of parliament.I liked the way Mdumiseni articulated it.Abelungu abamfuni bcos akamncengi umlungu qha

@husainalli 4 күн бұрын

The bar of Excellence starts at Level Minus 20 and gets hotter

@101CapeSaf 8 күн бұрын

How is it possible that an impeached judge sit on the very same committee that impeached him?

@susanlarhubarbe9475 8 күн бұрын

Some can't see this as an issue.

@dandyally9983 8 күн бұрын

If judges can sit and interpret their own judgements because they are "professional", he will also sit there as a professional politician not a judge. What is complicated here ? 😂

@baphithi 7 күн бұрын

They are mere humans and have they said they won’t have him there?

@user-ye3ex1rp5y 7 күн бұрын

It depends on which grounds was he impeached AND STRONGLY BY WHO under what evidence?

@Aftertwentyfourelection4633 7 күн бұрын

Viva MK 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚 viva Hlophe ✊✊✊😄

@ndubanesol111 8 күн бұрын

The opressir is catching chest pain knowing what is coming. Dr Hlope mission is to free the black man from the shuckles of poverty n disposition of land by this settlers. Sorry Dr Hlope is here to contribute

@timbergalore5470 8 күн бұрын

Freedom under law is obsessed with judge hlophe . They should leave the Man alone they have caused him so much harm and i tend to think they rascist and have a problem with black excellence.

@harley1450ification 7 күн бұрын

A constitutional conundrum indeed. A disgraced judge potentially included on the JSC?? It smacks of wrongness. Skewed ethics.

@sly1456 6 күн бұрын

Ask him. Uyazi yena, himself. He did something wrong that, even yena as a judge, a legalistic honcho, couldn't successfully defend it. That's why he lost the fight and got stripped.... Simple

@steveleroux6116 8 күн бұрын

Anything can happen in a banana republic 😂

@kesseltonnkosi 8 күн бұрын

Wenzeni uHlophe

@luckybengu9435 8 күн бұрын

Chris is waffling 😂😂😂😂

@ninaosborne2004 8 күн бұрын

When will the words racist, oppressor,apartheid settlers, etc., ever come to an end and stop dividing the South African nation? Is there no normalcy in South Africa?

@ThembaTsela 8 күн бұрын

Dr Hlophe is a Member of Parliament, there is no law on which assignment can serve. Nobody must interfere with Parliament and it's Committees.

@jabuxaba9777 6 күн бұрын

Dr Hlophe is going to be APPROPRIATELY in the JSC.

@qaqambilengumbela62 7 күн бұрын

The capture of our media is complete!! How and why these media houses do not state upfront that these so-called NGOs are funded by the same people that fund political parties contesting our political space beats me. It is so obvious that whenever they opine, it is to support and punt the views of their funders (and co-funded political parties).

@topsykretts4404 7 күн бұрын

reasonably foreseen shall be the end of these guys. 😂

@goodwillsphiweandTeam 7 күн бұрын

Chris having chest pains analysis😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@LuyandaMdabe 4 күн бұрын

Majority of people knows Hlophe is innocent only DA and ANC mp's found him guilty using their majority number in parliament to serve their political agenda. no court has fòund him guilty

@jerrymalambe2034 8 күн бұрын

Newroom Afrika please if you are fair talk about Hellen Zille insult to MK and EFF.

@user-oy8xj4lr3g 8 күн бұрын

I didn't vote for MK but to keep on judging and humiliaing Mr Hlophe is bad.

@kayisebangani3950 7 күн бұрын

Dr hlophe

@Nothingbutthetruth6693 7 күн бұрын

We have people who voted and participated in aprtheid how about their moral ground double standards will burn SA into ashes😢

@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 8 күн бұрын

Yes, yes they can. The MK party are not betting on their enemies being drunk at the moment they present their candidate.

@likhonamfamana4269 8 күн бұрын

U Chris uthini kanti?

@vanzylbooysen4826 8 күн бұрын

Why isn't there a WHITE lawyer society. Please can someone explain?

@user-rb9pn2ew1z 8 күн бұрын

Afriforum

@nkakza_da_deejay3456 8 күн бұрын

Most are in England.

@mlulekisibanda5374 8 күн бұрын

Go ask them

@vanzylbooysen4826 8 күн бұрын

Will it be racist if white lawyers start a society in sout africa for white lawyer's

@user-rb9pn2ew1z 8 күн бұрын

@@vanzylbooysen4826 who cares about whites

@KKN11659 8 күн бұрын

Shame Chris is trying to spin the unspinnable😂

@SonOfTheSoil834 8 күн бұрын

Ther is no law that prevent him from serving just like the ris no law preventing him from serving in parliament and racists need to calm down and understand political processes wher used to impeach Hlophe just like Mkhwebane case as opposed to having independent fact finding processes .which is the whole problem with our system in SA

@sihletngcobo 8 күн бұрын

Desperation 😁

@simphiwentshangase8322 4 күн бұрын

I only heard public perception nonsense kuloyamlungu

@ProflowTV 8 күн бұрын

im going with chris

@lehlohonolonzama93 7 күн бұрын

The white monopoly capital is using their news media to remove Dr Hlope from JSC😅

@techknowhow8897 8 күн бұрын

This white guys keeps saying 'I think..'.. so his opinion is law?

@user-ut9dz8oc2k 8 күн бұрын

That all you can talk about judge Hlophe but nothing about phala phala when the president allocated as a president again

@MarbleRamatji 7 күн бұрын

Why did Helen Zille called EFF and MKP dogs

@bukelwamdleleni8247 8 күн бұрын

You are so busy to Judge Hlophe .You were quiet to Zizi Odwa becourse you are bribed by anc to take Hlope out

@cathymcdowell5294 8 күн бұрын

No he should not be allowed

@katenkosi1389 8 күн бұрын

When it's comes to MK or EFF they not part of SA but it's comes to DA and ANC yes yes it's fine nothing wrong they are forgiven and they made mistakes