Thanks for your comment and for watching the videos! Opening the airway is dependent not just on the condition of the neck and head but also very much on the condition of the torso. If you find your airway closes when standing in optimal posture, double check that you are actually in optimal posture. If your upper sternum is back relative to the lower sternum (meaning your ribcage is tilted back and down), that’s going to partially close the airway regardless of what you do with the neck and head.

Sorry to hear that. Most of us in the modern world put our necks through a lot. The best thing we can do to allow the spine (including the neck) to lengthen is to gain the support of our fascia, in particular our thoracolumbar fascia, by lengthening the torso. It's not really possible to free up your neck unless you have the support from your torso below.

I would say face bones, like all bones, can move a lot. Many people pull their face bones back and down all the time, and that moves them. You can also move them forward and up, if you know how to coordinate the movements.

I’m saying that most people are constantly pulling the top end of their ribcage back, which causes the thoracolumbar fascia at their back to be slack instead of taut. Because the ribcage is tilted back and the fascia is not supporting the head, most people will let their head and shoulders retract with ribcage. Most people allow their head to “rest” in a back and down position, which restricts the airway and depresses the maxilla. We are capable of moving these structures in space. I asked it as a question in this video, but I know it’s quite possible to move the maxilla forward and up and produce an observable change. Sustaining these changes takes time because you really need the support of your torso and your fascia to keep your head in its correct spot. But that’s essentially my point. To get the maxilla into its right spot, you need the head to be in its right spot - which is not highly retracted. Opening the airways is good for your breathing, speaking, singing, and general health. To open the airway, the bony structures have to be moved closer to their correct spots, which will improve your facial development in the sense that it will move the structures to their appropriate, healthy spot - and health is beauty.

​@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I want to thank you for putting into words this delicate explanation of yours of how the body should be arranged, an explanation that in todays society is so alien, yet should be common knowledge. God bless you sir!

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Hmm i kinda get it.. not fully, but yeah.. Thankyou for sharing all this...

It would be easier if I could see you, but it sounds like you’re saying that your jaw is very far forward, and when you say you have severe forward head posture, I would take that to mean your head is tilted back and down and your ribcage is tilted back and down, but your neck is going distinctly forward and down. If that is correct, it’s almost certain that your torso is severely bent; that the top of your sternum is pulled back and your lower ribs and pelvis are very far forward. Correcting that is going to be necessary because your head will lack support if your torso is bent and shortened. There are adjustments that can be made to the head and jaw, but without getting some progress with the torso, they’re not going to be all that helpful.

​@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Thank you very much for your answer. I may arrange a zoom with you, we'll see after studying a bit more your work. But it looks amazing. Until then, I'll probably will keep commenting on more videos to help you with the algorythms as a mean to thank you for your work.

In this video I use a number of pictures of people with what would be called forward head posture by most people (1:45). And you’ll see that none of them have their jaw forward of their sternum. Even in the picture of the woman who is posing to try and show really bad forward head posture, her jaw is still back relative to her sternum (4:15). So no, I’m not telling you that what is traditionally called forward head posture is good. But yes, you do want your head to be forward and up relative to your torso. I put out a series of videos on the neck and head that goes more in depth on this, but the real issue is in focusing totally on the head while ignoring the condition of the torso. The crux of the problem that is called forward head posture is the tilting back of the ribcage. When that is combined with someone dropping their head in space, you get a severe angle between the neck and the torso, which looks bad. But the problem has nothing to do with the head being too far forward. That’s why, when you look at pictures of people with so called forward head posture, their head is always back relative to their lower ribcage, abdomen, and pelvis. Their head is not forward, their midsection is forward. Trying to address the head without addressing the torso makes no sense, yet that is what many in the posture world advise.

It's certainly different from what you'd be used to seeing.

I don’t recommend conventional stretches because the issue is not “how do you stretch certain muscles?” it’s “how do you maintain the lengthening of your fascia?” Typical stretches will often result in people shortening and narrowing certain parts of their body in order to stretch other parts. That, in my opinion, leads nowhere, as you aren't learning to maintain due tension and length in the fascia. Lengthening the fascia is done by manipulating the geometry of the bones and boney structures. I promote a system of conscious guidance and control where you give yourself verbal directions to orchestrate multiple movements at once in order to reorganize the boney structures of the body so as to gain the support of your fascia.

Looking at what I show in this video might look odd to you because we don’t often study how people look from the side. If you observe people from the side, you will see that most people push their midsection way forward and hollow their back. You will see that’s not the case in the images of me. My posture is not really noticeably different to the average person, though I occasionally get comments that I look very upright. People mostly tend to notice in sitting because most people slouch quite dramatically, whereas I sit at the front of the chair, upright. But if someone observes posture closely, they would see that my posture is distinctly different from the average persons. I’ve never gotten a negative comment in real life, so, as I said, I think what might appear jarring to you is that I do not stick my belly out and pull my head back like most people you will see. Because it's something you haven't seen much before if ever, it appears odd.

The basic point of this video is that most people are habitually pulling their head back and pushing the lower end of their ribcage forward. Because the head is out of place - that is back and down - so too is the maxilla out of place. If you’re familiar with mewing or the general ideas out there around a depressed maxilla, that is what is widely agreed upon: the maxilla is back and down, which obstructs the airway and degrades the appearance of the face. So when I ask, can you move the maxilla (and the entire head) forward and up, I’m talking about countering the extremely common habit of pulling the head back and down. Many mewers want to pull their head back even though they want their maxilla to go forward and up. That doesn’t make sense, but because people believe in the idea of forward head posture, they do it anyway If I’m still not answering your question, you can ask again with a little more specificity. But basically I’m saying that in optimal posture, your head will have to go forward and up relative to the torso and relative to what most people are used to. That is accomplished through coordinated movements.

​@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Thank you for the detailed response! I guess as a viewer I ended the videos feeling I didn't learn much because the video seems to post question without a clear indication or just explaining things. I hope it's OK I"m saying that, it seems you know a lot and I wanted to share my experience as a viewer because I want you to succeed. I still don't entirley understand what you're saying, and I'd like to. I'm really curious about it. I don't understand the statement of "move the maxilla (and the entire head) forward and up". When you say "move the maxilla forward and up", I imagine the BONES inside the head (the maxilla) moving forward and up RELATIVE to the head and body. So when you say "move the maxilla WITH the entire head", it makes me confused, because if you just move your head and bones inside your head up and forward, it's literllay just moving your head forward (which is bad posture, AKA forward head AKA text neck). I'd like to understand why it pulling the head back doesn't make sense. I'm not saying it does, I'm just trying to understand what you mean. As for this point: "But basically I’m saying that in optimal posture, your head will have to go forward and up relative to the torso and relative to what most people are used to", are you saying that as opposed to popular opinion, the head should NOT align with the spine? If so, I'd like to know what it's based on, because this seems to condtradict everything I've heard online. Additionally, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the following: Do you think poor posture like forward head, rounded shoulders, and pelvic tilt throughout adolescence to 25 can result in a permanintly "recessed" maxilla? Is it "set" at adulthood and impossible to "revert" as an adult? If it can be shifted, may it be through full body composition and bones and muscles around the maxilla, how can it be achieved? Thanks ahead!

@@jeffsmithdawg This video is not really explanatory, it’s more an invitation to questioning. If you’re looking for a more detailed explanation of my views, you can watch the playlist of my series on the neck and head. It’s 12 episodes long , and it starts off by going into detail why forward head posture is a faulty concept. I will also likely be making another video on this topic soon that should clarify things further. Moving the maxilla relative to the bones of the skull is something to consider, but my point in this video is that that is not the place to start. If your entire head is pulled back and down, that will move your maxilla in space, back and down. If I’m correct that the head is out of place in this back and down position, then if you ever want your maxilla to be where it’s actually supposed to be, you would need to move the whole head forward and up. Further manipulation of the maxilla relative the rest of the skull will be more possible if your head is where it’s supposed to be. There’s a bit of confusion here over forward head posture though. You say that if the head goes forward and up, that it’s “literally just moving the head forward” - which you say is bad. I don’t know why you left “up” off in your restatement. The up is crucial. The up is crucial because the posture that I’ve proposed in this video is different from what you see in forward head posture. I show numerous pictures of people with “forward head posture” in this video, and none of them have the back of their jaw forward of their sternum. Not one. Not even the lady who is making a fake exaggerated pose. I go into this a little bit in my most recent video as well. The point being, the posture that I’m describing of the head forward and up is demonstrably different from what you see in anyone with forward head posture. You can still disagree with what I’m saying, but it’s a mistake to say that having your head forward and up will result in what’s commonly called forward head posture. What I’m saying is indeed contrary to the prevailing advice in the posture world. The vast majority of advice out there is dead wrong in my opinion. If you want the detailed answer, as I said, watch the series I put out on the head and neck. That series does build on stuff from the previous series I put out on the torso, legs, and arms, but it can still be understood for the most part. My views are based on the work of Jeando Masoero, F.M. Alexander, Francois Delsarte, and a few other places. I welcome your skepticism, I put forward plenty of arguments in that series on the neck and head that you can contend with. But I would say you should also aim that skepticism at the prevailing postural advice. Ask them to justify what they say about forward head posture, you may find they don’t have much of an argument for what they believe at all. I have a recent video called "The Standard Model of Posture is Wrong..." that goes into that. As for your last question, in my view, no the maxilla is not set. The recession and depression of the maxilla is the result of limp fascia. Fascia needs to be taut, but when the bones are habitually moved into a shortened relative position, the fascia is made limp. Over time the structure crumples and you end up with something like a crowded mouth. If you change the movements that you are making, you can change the relative position of the bones, and you can change the condition of the fascia. It takes time, and it take addressing the entire body, not just the head, but the maxilla can be moved. As I say in the video, the maxilla and the entire head must be moved if you’re going to change your posture for the better. Your head and your torso are not stuck where they are and are not stuck in the shape that they are. What’s needed are coordinated movements.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Thanks for the response, Again, just to understand your terminology, by "If your entire head is pulled back and down", are you referring to a hypothitical where your head's resting posture is "correcrt" and algned with the spine, and not looking up? Or are you referring to the act of actually PULLING the head back and down, performed a chin tuck? In either case, why would it move the maxilla back and down? Again, to understand your terminology, by "move the whole head forward and up" I ask the same question as before? (Sorry for the confusion, I'm trying to understand haha..) As for your last question, I tried to look up more on "limp fascia" and couldn't find anything online. It resulted in a "did you mean limB fascia", which also wasn't of much help. Are there any resouces online or videos you've made on this matter? How do you know if you have a limp fascia? If one's bones are moved into a shortened position, what movements enhance it? If someone's teeth are not crowded, does it necesarilly mean that his bones are not shortened? Thanks ahead again!

@@jeffsmithdawg If the back of your head is lined up with your back, which is what is commonly considered “correct,” I would say you are massively retracting not just your head, but also the top end of your ribcage and your shoulders/arms. A person who lines the back of their head up with their back will always have their lower ribs much further forward than the top of their sternum. This is because their ribcage is rotated; back at the top, forward at the bottom. Naturally, the head (being at the top end of the ribcage) goes back as well. When I say that pulls the maxilla down: first, obviously it moves the maxilla in space. If the head is back from where it’s supposed to be, the maxilla will be back as well. But further, if you are, in fact, constantly puling your head back, you are applying forces to the bones of the skull. You are more or less pushing your face back and down. That back and down force will push the maxilla. To counteract this habitual pulling back and down of the head, you need to move the head forward and up. I’m talking about an observable, genuine movement. That movement alone is not the whole picture though, the ribcage must be rotated as well. That is the only way to get the fascia of the torso working so that the torso can support your neck and head. If you’re going to adjust your ribcage, you also need to adjust the pelvis: a problem like “forward head posture” is never in one spot, it’s a problem of the whole body. The issue you’re having in searching for fascia is that fascia is a basic thing, it’s a connective tissue. Searching in that way is very broad. Fascia is not really considered by most in the diagnostic medical world (it is considered in anatomical and research fields), outside of maybe some PTs who’ve read Anatomy Trains. My knowledge on the specifics of manipulating the bones and bony structures comes from Jeando Masoero. He’s at the forefront of this field. You might like this video, as it explains, using a mainstream medical text, how manipulation of the bones affects the fascia and connective tissues in the feet. It might help you understand how modern scientists speak about fascia. studio.kzfaq.infoVzWJwqlYzw4/edit You can also watch the first few episodes of my series on the torso for some insight into how the fascia function in relation to the torso. kzfaq.info/sun/PLS9hwTssXHJZ8czuu_jBTkLc4G6l4Bfz5 Practically speaking, you know if you have limp fascia by the condition of the body. The thoracolumbar fascia is the major fascia of the torso (at the back), when it’s slack, a person’s belly will protrude forward. Through practical demonstration, it can observed that reorienting the ribcage and pelvis will undo this protrusion of the abdomen and create a due tension that will cause a person’s torso to lengthen. They will visibly become slightly taller. Virtually everyone in the modern world lacks due tension in their fascia, which can be seen in the average person’s posture. Not everyone with postural problems will have pathological crowding of their teeth. And to be clear, there is not a shortening of the bones. When the torso, for instance, is shortened, the ribcage and pelvis are closer together, the spine is bent. But the bones themselves are all the same size, they’re just out of place. As to which movements will lengthen the fascia: that is what this channel is largely about. I have playlists of series I put out on the torso, legs, arms, and neck and head. Each one contains several specific directions that can be used. The Initial Alexander Technique, which is the system Jeando Masoero built, is based around using verbal directions to consciously coordinate movements of bones and bony structures.

I’ve certainly seen significant positive change in my posture and in the position of my maxilla. I use pictures of myself often on this channel, you can see the change for yourself.

Do you know how an overbite could cause similiar problems bruv.. i have an overbite

@@zenity_racer76 same thing as overbite? what do we do bruv, orthodontic appliance or surgery? yeah i dont think Im gonna make enough money for that. Time to ropemaxx brother or hopemaxx if there is any

It’s very easy to go forward and down with the head, but that is not desirable. We want to move the head (and maxilla) forward and up. Accomplishing that will be tied with a forward and up movement of the upper end of the ribcage, along with a back and up movement of the lower end of the ribcage.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147yes but we don't understand what a head that is up and head that is down mean. for example at 1:49 is the head of the guy in the middle 'down'? what would that mean visually?

@@tina4jdhsuwiue Forward and up is a first and foremost a description of a movement. The man in the middle picture needs to get his lower sternum and lower ribs back, while at the same time moving his upper sternum and head forward and up. A forward and up movement would bring the mandibular angle (the spot indicated by the blue dot) forward of the frontal plane (indicated by the red line), and also bring it up away from the sternum. You could imagine the man in the right picture moving his head straight forward from where it in the picture, and he could get his mandibular angle forward of the line, but it would be quite low. His neck would be almost horizontal. That is not desirable, there has to be an upward movement to extend the neck and lengthen all the muscles of the neck and upper back. Such a movement requires an adjustment of the torso. You can also compare the man in the middle with the man on the right. I would say the man on the right has the back of his head forward and down. The man in the middle has the back of his head back and down - which is why his eyes are looking a bit upwards and the back of the neck looks crunched. Do you see the sharp angle between the top of his ribcage and the back of his head? Compare that angle with the other two pictures.

Build a strong tongue muscle and push the palate to expand it. Better than thumb pulling imo. My cheekbones are growing. Also my jaw little by little.

For that reason, diet is everything if u wanna see results. Hard food, meat and cartilage specially, to build a overall strong skull like u see in the video

This video is just a short, sort of introductory video to a broader concept. If you want to open your airway and return your maxilla to its rightful place, you need to correct your posture. As I mentioned in the video, if your lower ribcage goes forward, that rotation will push the top end of your ribcage back. You neck and head attach to your upper ribcage, so they will go back too. If your head goes back and down, your maxilla will go back and down with it. So generally I would say you want to address the condition of your torso so that you lengthen and widen it. That will make your fascia taut, which will provide your head with the support it needs to be in its correct relative position. The question this particular video asks is: can you use the muscles of the skull, neck, torso, and entire body to move the maxilla in space? Many people think they need to grow their face forward and up, but I would say it’s worth first considering if you can move it forward and up.

@@damiank6328 Well, the main point of this video is to ask if you actually need to use specifically the tongue muscle to push on the palate/maxilla? And will that do any good if your head is habitually pulled back (and ultimately down)? Is the tongue really for pushing on the maxilla? Doesn't it have to be active in speaking and swallowing? What about all the other muscles that connect to the maxilla? Can they lift the maxilla?

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147this is so true . I realize the body is one. Fixing your posture is the only way . Mewing is the product of fixing your posture . Once you fix posture everything will be more back , and pushing your pelvic bone forward without squeezing your glutes , shoulders back as well and head back

Orthodontic treatments tend to cause pretty severe damage to the musculature and fascia of the face. Orthodontics are aimed at aligning the teeth; orthodontists know nothing about posture generally and are not concerned with posture. Since orthodontics do straighten the teeth, they’re seen as successful interventions, even though anyone that looks can see that they tend to cause the head to become misshapen and restrict the airway. Most people in the modern world already have these problems, orthodontics just make them worse. Part of the problem is that it's easier to align the teeth by moving the maxilla or jaw back (as opposed to moving forward), the pain that is induced by orthodontics also plays a role.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I have invisilign, just 28 trays, for some minor adjustments. I have a pretty nice jawline to be honest. I dont want to ruin it and I never wore it to begin with thankfully how do I know if this will negatively or postively affect me? should I ask the orthodontist if it will widen my pallete or narrow it down?

I can’t claim to be an expert on orthodontics, so I can only tell you my personal opinion. I would not use any orthodontic treatment, as I think the risk of damage to the face will always be there. From a posture perspective, I think orthodontic treatment is almost always harmful. There are certainly people who are satisfied with various orthodontic treatments, and I do think something like Invisalign is less dangerous than something like extracting teeth and using traditional braces. The question is ultimately what you want and what your priority is. I don’t think an orthodontist is going to give you an answer that is negative towards their intervention, but the question would be: how is this treatment going to affect my maxilla and mandible? And to me, there’s also the question of how this treatment is going to affect the musculature and fascia in the face, neck, and whole body? How is the pain induced by the treatment going to affect my movements? But that’s where the difference in viewpoint is clear: the orthodontist is focused on the teeth and not at all on the body generally, my main focus is on general body posture and gesturing (which just means how you move your body) - and the head, face, and teeth are absolutely relevant to both posture and gesturing.

I understand what you’re saying, but you must realize it’s absurd to suggest that you cannot move bone with postural change. Forget for a moment whether you can move the maxilla relative to the other bones of the skull, do you not believe that you can move the maxilla in space? Obviously we can move our entire head in lots of different directions, so moving the bone is not the issue. The question then becomes, is it possible for your head to rest in a way that the jaw is forward of the sternum? I show a number of images in the video, even of people with forward head posture or attempting to display an exaggerated forward head posture, and none of them have their jaw resting forward of their sternum. Yet I show video of myself doing just that. And that’s not how I always was, I had to change my torso quite significantly in order to gain the support I needed from my back to keep my head forward and up. That really is the point of this short video. If your head is back and down, your maxilla will necessarily also be back and down. That will end up crunching your airway. Manipulating the maxilla more finely than that can be done, but it is indeed difficult. However, getting to that level of manipulation is pointless if your entire head is back and down. And that’s the trick that a lot of people are missing: you don’t just want to move your maxilla, all the bones of the skull need to be moved. That takes time, but luckily there are lots of muscles and fascia in this area and in the whole body that we can recruit to consciously move our maxilla, skull, and whole body towards a better configuration.

Literally just turned 17 couple month ago so I’m exempt?

@@LanersL Doubt it. When did you hit puberty and when was the last time you moved up in shoe size By the way everything in this video is pure cope. Mewing and eating harder foods is about all you can do to optimise development outside of steroids/HGH

@@GrainMuncher couple months ago yk I was a 8.5 now hitting 9

Even stone changes over time with water flow

Chewing hard definitely helps keep the muscles of the face active. With all the soft foods nowadays, many people let their chewing muscles become under active. I don’t think just chewing hard will do much to change your posture though.