CYC Photon Mid-drive Motor Breakdown - A look at the main components in CYCs new Ebike Motor

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Күн бұрын

The CYC Photon Motor is here! This is the brand new mid-drive from CYC motor. For this video I will be having a good look at the main parts before it gets installed on the bike.
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@k04s4 Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to build a allroad bike with that motor!

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

It should be good on that kind of bike. I will be putting it on a Salsa Vaya

@wheelygood1754 Жыл бұрын

Great vid, it's a good looking bit of kit this. That smaller than bbs motors front chain ring will be so welcome on modern mtb frames too, Bafang take note because it's about time the poor chain line issues are dealt with.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

They are. I think Bafang are moving onto other things. They don't even bother to show the BBSHD at shows anymore.

@DiabloManiacz Жыл бұрын

I've managed to destroy 3 BBSHD's, so might as well give the Photon a try. Installing mine at the same time with your videos.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

That's impressive. How? Hope it went well. Cheers

@wool1701 Жыл бұрын

You have some expertise picking these things apart and it shows. Looking forward to the next video, and my Photon arriving.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words. Build video tomorrow. I have my Dad to thank for my analytical skills as well as his Dad before.

@sparkiekosten5902 Жыл бұрын

I have to admit it does look very professional and clean. I am looking forward to the installation and running of this motor. Keep up the good work!

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

You will not have to wait long. Its on the bike. First ride will be tomorrow! I will upload the install overnight.

@monkeyhaters9258 Жыл бұрын

Took 5 months to get my motor and it doesn't work little communication with the company do not buy...! Altogether it's been 6 months

@monkeymagic4555 Жыл бұрын

Incredible quality/detail V any of the competition!..At least in principle/visually!. As ever time tells!

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

We will soon find out I think!

@punkdigerati Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see you stress test it, I'm curious about real world performance.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Its on the bike. Looking forward to a good ride tomorrow!

@kenjiwalter5024 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I’ve recently built up a mtb with the Photon and absolutely loving it. I’ve seen on a thread that under the QC sticker there is a screw which allows you to remove the cover. Inside is the controller unit which can be removed for replacing. Did you notice with yours that the motor got noisier after an initial break in period? I’ve put about 120km on mine and the whirring is definitely louder. Have you had any luck lubricating the gears?

@HighVoltageKits 9 ай бұрын

I have not lubricated anything. Unfortunately, mine has issues and is looking likely to have to go back to the dealer for repair under warranty. I will do a breakdown once I know what is up with it. It had about 1000km on it. It looks like you can remove the controllers so regrease becomes possible but after 100kms it should not need that.

@Ray-dz9fn Жыл бұрын

The plastic plate at the end is an optional stop block you can wire tie (or similar) to the frame. Also, for some internal views, there's some out in the wild, related to FCC certification for the Bluetooth system. CYC has updated the user manual, describing the greasing. Under that QC sticker is likely a single screw that holds on the controller cover. IMO one negative is the very wide Q - I hope CYC offers a shorter spindle eventually, more suitable for 68-73mm BB installs.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Thats good regarding the manual. I must have an older version. I have made a 3D printed part to use to locate the motor. I don't think I would have been able to use the plastic piece due to my gear cable. Appreciate the advice!

@Ray-dz9fn Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits I forgot to thank you for this video. I'm hoping for the best with this motor. I don't view it as a BBSHD "killer" or even a replacement - I think it'll serve the purpose, desires, and performance that disappointed Tongsheng buyers were hoping for. I also wonder if Bafang will view this motor as a threat and develop a new DIY BBS-ish motor to compete (as opposed to the M625). I'm also hoping that CYC obtains UL certification for the entire motor system, similar to what I believe Bosch has.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome! Cheers

@andrewhunt4777 Жыл бұрын

@@Ray-dz9fn They say there is a big brother of the photon coming later this year and that will be the bbshd killer imo.

@Ray-dz9fn Жыл бұрын

@@andrewhunt4777 Thanks Andrew - that would be a VERY welcome motor in the community, I suspect

@joeows6537 Жыл бұрын

Bravo Maestro

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

@Fubar684 Жыл бұрын

Those M3 holes might be for bolting onto an existing bracket on your frame if it has one. My Diamondback Atroz has them for a chain guide. i have a Stealth Gen 3 on the way and I might have to cut one off. Don't care. I want the power for single track. Hope you enjoy the Photon.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Appreciated. It got me thinking about other potential uses for sure. Maybe a chain guide. It would suck to get the chain stuck in the gap between the ring and the motor.

@BramBiesiekierski Жыл бұрын

With regards to applying the correct torque to the adjustable face pin tool. You don't need a torque wrench etc. An experienced mechanic should be able to get it within or pretty damn close to the acceptable range just by feel. (Or feel with a tappy tap hammer haha) Which is ofcourse why there is no way to connect a torque wrench or torque block to the tool.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

I will do my best to get it nice and tight. Most people doing this I doubt will qualify as an experienced mechanic?

@AndrewDCDrummond Жыл бұрын

@High Voltage I think the only way would be to stick a torque wrench into a bolt on something else, set to the required torque and then grip the wrench handle at about the same length as the CYC tool and try to guage the feel of how much pressure is being applied to the torque wrench and then get the same feel on the CYC tool. That's quite a high torque though, might be quite difficult to gauge the same feel when you are tightening that hard.

@TimChump Жыл бұрын

I just took delivery of a gen 3 stealth 😅 Will be interested to see how this compares

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

I think this will be a much easier installation.

@wernerbecker4137 Жыл бұрын

That looks really good and yet very small 😜😋 where are you going to fit to Cap? Greathings DS🇩🇪

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Hey DS, will be on the Salsa frame. I think it will look pretty good!

@CrossoverDayPackReviews Жыл бұрын

I am building up an MTB with a Stealth Gen 3 at the moment. I noted as you did that there are channels in the spindle as if there should be O-rings in the grooves. My spindle, however, had no O-rings. Does yours?

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Yes there is one on each side. I think you likely should have them. Might want to check that on the facebook group or with CYC. Might be an ommision?

@gordkuhn 3 ай бұрын

I enjoy your videos. Wonder if you could help please. I'm running the CYC photon with the small 102 display and everything is working. My wife recently purchase the 103 display and we cannot get connection, no screen light up. If you could help that would be great

@HighVoltageKits 3 ай бұрын

Check one of the pins did not get bent during connection. Failing that try the old one again. It could be a bad display. Maybe contact your dealer if it won’t power on still.

@TechGoop Жыл бұрын

Talk on the street is it's about the same power as the BBS02. Hoping it's a bit more. Fingers crossed!

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Its on the bike, install overview will be tomorrow. I am impressed so far. I think easily on par with a BBS02.

@debbieschwartz3132 9 ай бұрын

Have you installed the photon or stealth on a carbon frame? Definitely mixed reviews on whether or not to do a conversion on carbon. I have a 50 cm Niner

@HighVoltageKits 9 ай бұрын

Hey Debbie. I have not used a carbon frame. I stear clear of the stuff. It's brilliant until it fails and then it can be catastrophic. My mate in the uk nearly lost his face when he hit a pot hole with his Bianchi carbon. The forks sheered off. It put me right off. That might not be a fair assessment of carbon as a whole but the result is I haven't tried one. They sell well tho so you might be able to do a good trade. Sorry I can't be of more help.

@debbieschwartz3132 9 ай бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits It's a Niner gravel bike. Its a solid comfortable ride and never any issues with it whatsoever. Chatted with electrify your bike and they've installed cyc stealth for the past 3 years with no issues.....hmmmm??? Definitely not selling it. Its a memorial bike to my riding partner who passed away suddenly

@hindesite Жыл бұрын

Thoughts on repairability and servicing/lubrication? How do you access the guts of this thing? In comparison, Bafang and Tongshen are "agricultural", but fixable.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

I think the clutch and torque sensor remove. The rest is behind what looks to be a glued plate.

@hindesite Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits Not sure how you'd get behind them to press them out. That's a massive clutch, and that's only 1 of 2. Really smooth, no play, guess that's why they went with Spragg. Wish my rear hub was that quiet.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

I think it screws out as a unit. Probably replace the whole thing

@mateuszjochemski893 Жыл бұрын

Hello, I have Gates Carbon Drive belt system. Is there a possibility to swap a front sprocket in Photon or any of CYCmotors ? Thank you in advance for response.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

As it stands no. With lots of money and machining anything is possible but until something is made its not a practical possibility. What were your reasons for doing so?

@mateuszjochemski893 Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits Thanks, I already own a bike with belt instead of chain. I like it. it's noiseless and clean. Now I think to convert it to ebike. And actually I've found on cycmotor site in user's manuals that it allows to put any kind of front sprocket with 104BCD Chain Ring mount. So, yes it is possible in other models but not with Photon model ;)

@Sam3532 Жыл бұрын

Bash guard or grill to stop stones large enough to get stuck in the fins?

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It might be doable. I kind of like the look of it without tho. I will see how it goes and if it proves to be an issue then I will make something for sure. I am more concerned with protecting the wires that they have coming out of the top at the moment.

@monkeymagic4555 Жыл бұрын

@7m quick QC dyno/function test fitment?

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Could well be, great thought.

@Smegmeister Жыл бұрын

How do you apply 50nm with a pin spanner? I will wait a while before jumping on this one.

@Smegmeister Жыл бұрын

ahh you mentioned.. watch to the end Ben haha

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Lol, you don't. It also turns in the rotation so it's really hard to hold it. I used my chain whip to help.

@hindesite Жыл бұрын

Mine is held up with customs clearance but hope to get it this week. Battery is a far way off. Is the chainring Shimano HG compatible? Or just standard (SRAM, KMC etc)?

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

The chainring to the best of my knowledge is proprietary.

@hindesite Жыл бұрын

@High Voltage I get that the chainring is proprietary as it fits over a motor hub casing to achieve a decent chainline but it still has to work with chains. Shimano 12sp chains have Hyperglide, and the inside plates extend in to the space where the wide chainring teeth fit, so the teeth need to be relieved slightly to allow this. If they don't, Shimano chains will need to be swapped for SRAM or KMC etc, and then you lose the advantage of Hyperglide cassettes. I hope CYC got this right.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Sorry I misunderstood you. I am using a 10spd SRAM chain on this. This might not with those chains. I will ask at CYC.

@hindesite Жыл бұрын

@High Voltage if you look carefully at the wide teeth, there should be a chamfered edge that allows the tapered ends of Shimano inside plates to fit. If they are just square - like the narrow teeth - they won't work with Hyperglide chains. Well, not until they've generated some clearance : -)

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

If you join our Discord I'll post you some pics.

@treimar Жыл бұрын

I shot them an email aswell regarding the repairability as there is currently no parts available anywhere or even an exploded view/drawings. Nothing. Also asked them about belt drive chainrings and they said that's in work. A standard BCD spider would also be great. It's as much of a black box as bosch motor currently. No ebike motor is maintenance free. I want to build myself a torque sensing PAS bike. This motor is the strongest and nicest option available but I think I might go with the tongsheng tzds2b which is the only other one I know.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Hold off on the Tong Shen there are new motors due very soon you might like. I will talk about the motor structure on my full review.

@treimar Жыл бұрын

Bafang should make a torque sensing conversion motor. But seems like they are more focused on integrated motors and locking their batteries to their motors. BBSHD has had a long life and should now be put out of it's misery.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

You would think it was a slam dunk. I have exciting news on new motors soon though. The BBSHD is a legend though. I hope they at least keep making it. There is very much a place for it.

@treimar Жыл бұрын

Of course there is. Just not for my liking. Also they could overhaul it a bit. I'm looking for an alternative to Bosch, Brose, Yamaha and the like.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

The Photon is excellent in that regard.

@ricksanchez3628 Жыл бұрын

It does look like a sideways cylinder head from a 2-stroke. Makes me wonder what it would look like sprayed with silver spray 🤔

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

I had not considered you could do that. The surface would accept paint readily I think

@ricksanchez3628 Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits Yeah, I saw a picture of a BBS02 on a cargo bike painted a colour called 'go away green', the colour they use at Disney land for fire hydrants, cctvs ect, a colour the eye tends to ignore unless you stare directly at it. I'd never considered spraying one beforehand either.

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Go away green. That's hilarious

@ricksanchez3628 Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits There's also a 'bye bye blue' 👍🏻

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

😆

@youtube7076 Жыл бұрын

2:00 in my country we call that tool a Brush...

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

Yeah! Lol! I think I will be trying an old toothbrush to get inside first. Cheers :)

@youtube7076 Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits ;-)

@monkeyhaters9258 Жыл бұрын

I recently bought one of these motors 6 months ago still haven't got to ride it yet because the throttle work for about 5 seconds now the motor just makes a spinning sound if anybody has any ideas I would appreciate it not getting much help from the company

@HighVoltageKits Жыл бұрын

That's not acceptable in my book. Have you posted this on the Facebook group? That should be a warranty replacement if there is a problem that cannot be resolved. Are you on the group?

@monkeyhaters9258 Жыл бұрын

@@HighVoltageKits No, not yet, still trying to work out the problem. ?? Company keeps sending me the same information over and over even though I've sent them snapshots of what is going on

@monkeyhaters9258 Жыл бұрын

Asking for a refund on this motor because it doesn't work!! no company commindication ,,6 months wasted my summer By a more affordable motor that actually works... And a company willing to help you if there is a problem CYC is not it🤦‍♂️

@Hardware244 10 ай бұрын

So the end user can barely disassemble the unit and will require shipment to an entirely different country if it breaks. THATS EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE given I was about to pull the trigger on this but now it is not happening-especially with the slightly mixed track record cyc has, and their support takes forever to respond to simple questions

@HighVoltageKits 10 ай бұрын

These are my full thoughts. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdebg8hhzJilYY0.html