You ain’t lying theirs so many players that talked negative about him

especially with what he said about Kenyon Martin and the release of his book

We all know GK was a good ole boy type of dude when he was younger.

Sure could

And thank god it was Seth covering it, the Karl and Carmelo beef is one of the best of the genre

07/08 was a crazy year. Cp3's breakthrough, the Paul Gasol trade to l.a., Iverson goes for 26.4ppg and 7asst and wasn't even all-nba 3rd team.

The post we believe warriors missed the playoffs with a 48-34 record 😳

@@PoetryJesusY2K as a kid i was so upset about that lmao

@@PoetryJesusY2K if I remember right it was the first time a team with 48 wins didnt make it. Was a crazy year for the west.

That's how stacked the Western conference was in those years. Imagine having that in the East.

Melo still hasn't won neither has he ever been a great player just a great scorer

@@FGPlus To top it off, an instead great player and great defender like GP loves Karl

@@dusk6159 literally everyone is likes by someone even people on death row. Name me 3 other recent coaches who have more players who hated them

@@FGPlus woah woah woah. Melo was never a great defender but I think you forget the early 2010’s when the legitimate question of who would you rather take last shot (Carmelo or KD) was a thing. Prime Melo was a machine on offense. Karl is right tho basketball wise, he had the size to be a good defender was a solid defender in college but he never put the effort into it in the nba.

Just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right

He straddled the ISO dribble drive/shoot era that AI had been a master of and the new Curry inspired 3 point wide spread game. He just missed when could have been a top guy by a couple of years.

@@quattobeast He was a top guy for multiple years. Most people only believe that was with the Nuggets but he finished #3 in MVP voting the year LeBron last won and that was in 2012-13.

@@Christian-eq6pq fr, people just act like Melo’s career ended after Denver. But in typical Knicks manner, the Melo-Stat duo failed as a result of Stat’s injuries and really bad front office moves

I agree. We too often favor one side or the other in situations like this. They’re were obviously two talented guys who were just very personally flawed. It’s a Shame

bc before this time if you wanted to Be like mike...or be great....you had to beat the likes of MJ/hakeem brilliant all around players and you had to BRING your GAME if you wanted to have a fighting chance....these days these kids labeled as "allstar/superstar" players know damn well theyre getting payed 30 if not 40+ mil to go belly up regardless theyll get payed just like chuck said. At least in the MJ era even if you were a nobody getting 30 against MJ was a personal GOAL for life. ETC and so on. THERE's just an utter lack of this in the league other than clowns going oh youre 35 now im gonna try to dunk one on you....the level of soft/weakness projected is downright sad theres no intensity and ppl feeding off the massive intensity/environment with no room for error....its totally missed in this era across the board....LIKE TBH we get better regular season games these days than these injury riddled playoffs/cake walk post seasons. Even my lakers in the bubble got some luck to swing their way with murrays injury....then bam/dragic and the heat injuries in that season...and im real enough to admit thats why its a astrisk ring yet ppl tout the MJ v lakers as an end all.......smdh. Casuals just cheapening the league by the day catering right into adam silvers master plan

Fax g and they just might….

Him talking about and doing bs psychological analysis on Kenyon Martin’s family situation as a child in order for Karl to sell a book was really low.

@@Citiprime well, that is basically vintage Karl.

Coach would be happy to get on a pod or a video sesh anytime. He's got nothing to hide and is happy to share. Are guys like Melo or Boogie?

That's what separates the good from the great coaches. The great ones have the perfect blend of X/O's and ability to manage personalities, especially at the pro level

A large part of being a good coach is having the support of the locker room. There’s not too much variance in typical coaching ability at the nba level. a large portion of them are just okay, not great, not bad. but when one of those coaches is able to have the players be willing to run through brick walls for them, thats when they are able to do great things. You can see it with the knicks. Thib came and got the whole team to go all in with him last year, having them overachieve drastically. Now, this year, there isnt that same commitment level, and they’re just playing average.

If you are always at the center, you eventually havw to question if you are the problem.

Lol stop.

@@bugsyproductions3140 Anything wrong with what he said?

And he's the only player besides Lebron from the oldest draft too, not even Chandler (or Pau) is in anymore. And he's also on life support too, he's almost done. Wow.

Same here... It's been 20 years almost 🥲🥲

And Bosh is already in the HALL OF FAMER OH MAN TIME IS FLYING

I was a senior in high school 😭

lol i was a freshman in high school when the whole "Lebron or Melo" debate raged among basketball fans everywhere. Seems silly in retrospect but that's how good Melo was both coming out of high school and in his performance for Syracuse in the tournament that year (the first time I started paying attention to college hoops) No one anticipated that Bosh and Wade would become Hall of Fame players too. That draft class was unbelievable

George, Kemp and Payton were more than capable of winning a title in Seattle. In his first full season as head coach, the Sonics went all the way to game 7 of the WCF. They had a good shot of winning the title in 1996 if they hadn't run into arguably the greatest team ever in the 72-10 Bulls. But he did wear out his welcome shortly there after. It's weird, Karl is still beloved in Seattle, reviled in Milwaukee for driving Ray Allen out of town, and in the case of the beef with Melo, I've seen a lot of Denver fans online side with Karl over Melo. He's got a complex legacy as a coach.

@@TheTrainFan9 Well they still could have won if they started the series with Payton on Jordan instead of waiting until near the end

@@TheTrainFan9 yep spot on. I remember him coming to Sacramento after we fired Mike Malone. Karl immediately called out DeMarcus Cousin’s created a beef with him. Despite having Cousins, Rondo and Rudy Gay we only won 33 games with George Karl as head coach. The team just didn’t respond to him. That was his final coaching job in the NBA.

Carmelo just wasn’t built to be coached hard. It ain’t for everybody.

@@Him_Downstairs36 he was 🤡

i mean look how many wins he got or sloan....they dont get payed to like eachother its about results man to man the respect should come natrually. PPL wrote of pat riley bc he had such immense talent to coach. and they grew to be coachable around him.....and he proved his pedigree with other teams/talent...as well as a GM. Nobody gets anywhere kissing ass....look at the ben simmons situation. Or zion. Treating melo like a diva would have CREATED these ben simmons/zion situations even earlier if melo started a trend himself. Even KG with his big salary cap contracts....hits its end point regardless of how hard he plays on both ends he wants to win and eventually boston couldnt sustain it either. I mean i think doc rivers is a major HACK of a coach and his pedigree of a player fits the bill. And sooner or later his stars downright dont want to play/win for him or play his system/style bc its terrible/miserable. His wasted time outs to give summercamp peptalks about "We gotta go out there and win were getting out hustled...in the 4th" WTF. CP3/RONDO both wound up hating playing for him by the end. and docs a "players coach" vs Stone cold MFers like Sloan or Brown even.

Different walks of life. We've seen melo grow from teenage phenom to a full fledged adult. We've seen George Karl grow from an employed old man to a retired old man. Of course we're not going to see much change with Karl.

​@@denizakin5645 and again its not my business to care if george ever changes bc it wont put food on my table. No more than waiting for the world to change. I cant afford to get caught up "caring". Id honestly care more if they won. So if anything im obligated to care less NGL

@Whyyoumadatfacts? 🤷‍♂️ goofy he laughed at the bench because he was a starter

🤡🤡🤡 melo wasnt selfish

Yeah that Syracuse education paid off.

Bony Apple teeth!

He grew up without a father. A lot of those students athletes who use basketball to get out the hood are more Athlete than Student. Makes sense🤷🏿‍♂️

@@4TheRightJAYZUSIsAVirtueSignal ... what a father gotta do with anything?

@@4TheRightJAYZUSIsAVirtueSignal Because he didn't have a father means he can't read a book?

They always say what annoys you about another person is what you see in yourself.

@@LeeGHThomas Yep

@@LeeGHThomas Very true

FOR REAL!

@@LeeGHThomas It's true. My parents usually say that the person you're most likely not to get along with is the person who is almost like you

For me, the biggest problem i always had with Karl, was he was way too happy to take his beef with a player to the media. Things like that should be kept in-house, and a coach who does that, i cant respect. (Doc Rivers may have been his successor in that)

plus people are too sensitive and take any critisism against a black man as "racism"

true that. he's right and wrong at the same time lmao

I think he talked about it plenty in house, and then went to the media to get that player's attention. Players may not like it, but players would love to get paid to not play, like Kyrie and Ben Simmons. So it's not always about what players like. MJ and Kobe had beef with Phil Jackson, and he would say things to the media about them too. But we remember that differently. Karl wasn't wrong, he was a good coach. Not every good player or good coach can win a Championship.

He did it in a way to grab attention, such as social media is.

I like Karl, though. He says what needs to be said, not what you want to hear and he gives the media insight on what they already suspect. He’s right, it shows today that a lot of professional athletes particularly in the nba and nfl are divas, like probably ALOT. It happens when you’re coddled since high school or elementary being that they are highly naturally gifted and plus most never had real masculine Role models. It is what it is, that’s how it goes.

@@joshgen8533 And Karl has always been a diva coach.

Russell Westbrook is proof that you can have a triple double and still prevent your team from winning.

@@thelastmanonearth2631 thank you, someone needed to read that

I don't think he wanted the numbers per se but for melo to realize that he can affect the game in more ways that scoring and that melo had the ability but not drive to do those things. You he mentions how he think melo could've been a great defender. And there were stretches with billups on board where you could see him trying but that seemed to waver, particularly when things weren't going his way on offense.

You could say the same in the 2014 offseason. He had the chance to go to really good teams but he decided to stay in a trash Knicks team and get money

Well I guess he's in the right place now

Lucas, you're delusional. Karl couldn't build a team and win a ring if he had the 97 Bulls. Mediocre coach at best whose penchant for being pathetically passive aggressive, alienated players. Look at all of the players he had and never came close. Look at his career as a player. 🤔 Both are sus.

The fact you said Karl was right proves you don't know what you're talking about

@@Oldscule62 two wins away from a ring, only losing to questionably the greatest team ever, the 96 finals. I guess a better coach would have best them, lol

He ripped them for not having fathers. KMA

In Karl’s perfect world he wanted Melo to be what Luka is today. A tall 6’8 forward who can score at will but be a walking triple double

@@andrewnaranjo6514 sike luka. Plays No d

@@2423yay Mavericks have a top defense and Luka is contributing on that end

@@2423yay he wasnt wrong

lol yup

@@SecretBaseSBN keep up the good work. amazing as always.

@@SecretBaseSBN as long as you dont blatantly bias the script against him

@@SecretBaseSBN pretty cool your one commentator likes the redwings

@@SecretBaseSBN how about a beef miniseries from particular players or coaches like Mike Keenan or Jose Mourinho

And melo isn’t?

The Hater's Ball. :D

Agree Both at fault

Now we both know the answer to that question. How many black people actually live in Denver? Really Melo's entire career has been about racism they hate him because hes the A.I type n!&&3? since he came out directly juxtaposed in the draft next to every white person's favorite n!&&3? Lebron. Thats why Lebron got so much hate for leaving Miami. He was one of the good n!&&3?$ from a small town so white people felt like he betrayed them and their Good Negro storylines with the way he left his hometown CLE.

@@jdrmanmusiqking race card. Melo got jealous of Jeremy Lin and chased him out of NY.

@@jdrmanmusiqking plenty black folks in denver look up PaRK HILL FIVE POINTS

@@jdrmanmusiqking You make it seem like all black people want Rucker park, Dunk Contest, AI. All right then. :D

At least you have jokic now. Who imo is a much better player than melo ever was

That's just what New York Knicks can do to a person

Melo was the one saying you can’t nitpick when you win, when yeah you actually should if you want to advance in the playoffs which the Nuggets didn’t. Melo should have listened but he never matured or made himself coachable and that didn’t change when he left Denver. Can’t put that on anyone other than Melo

Going to the media creates a hostile work environment for the entire franchise. I love Karl but those were his biggest mistakes. If he waited till after the divorce, fine. But he was slinging mud early and often.

@@thankyoujodi But in the video it seems like the big beef started after they both were gone.

Say they were both at fault but blames Karl. Typical.

Right? The Pistons royally whiffed their draft pick hard and probably could have been a dynasty in the East in the mid to late 2000s had they drafted the likes of Melo, Wade, Bosh and etc.

Man never thought of it like that cause forgot they could have gotten Melo....People say he wouldn't have fitted but Melo was one of best iso scorers I seen yet if he even had 50% good defense, man I hate Detroit but they would probably been dominating the East the whole 2000s......

@@Bigedub101 not only that but let’s say the to with Wade instead, who were the Pistons biggest rivalries? A fluke hear when Boobie Gibson got hot in Cleveland and the Heat. You get Wade and you eliminate the heat in one stroke. Plus imagine if after Lebron took his talents to Motown to play with Wade because Wade would have rings at that point. Talking Warriors style dynasty all with one missed pick.

Sonics were the only team I never heard of beef with his players

Carmelo Anthony has become very efficient as he has traded long twos for threes

Self fulfilling proficiency. Being that harsh on your players doesn’t always work.

@@factor.8795 just years too late

@@dentonkellyjr8095 kind of, he changed his playstyle cause the nba is more 3 point oriented. If he grew up in this era, he would be a 40% 3p guy for his career

@NYC Kicks No! Karl was right about him then. You damn right Melo is gonna be professional now lol! His 37 & was out of the league at 34. Look how long it took him to gain self awareness, nearly 10 years after leaving Denver

" No disintegrations" 😉

Finally

Nobody ready to have that Convo tho

"Henny Smith" 😂

I remember a picture on 2007 where Iverson and JR playing on billiard pool before a game vs bobcats lol

Imagine being a coach who ZERO PLAYERS speak highly of... at least Melo and Kenyon have respect throughout the league from their contempararies... COACHES don't even speak highly of George Karl.

@Whyyoumadatfacts? 🤷‍♂️ only uninteresting white guys with blkimmigrant gfs use terms like hoodboogers.

I don't think a lot of people know how sensitive of a topic it can be, but at the same time I think Karl was using it as an explanation. Like it's not that Melo is a bad person, but that he didn't have that authority in his youth, so he doesn't know how to handle it as an adult. But it's seen as losing face, so it is taken as offensive.

There's basically no way an editor didnt flag that though and ask him if he wanted to rewrite it. When you see someone make a statement in a way that is easily construed as "thinly veiled racism" you're gonna try to avoid that 10 car pileup while you can. Karl definitely OK'd the statement for publishing. If Karl had said "I'm not sure these young men had a good support network growing up with all the components to teach them both how to take care of themselves while young but also to provide continuing mentorship outside of the basketball space, the kind of thing teams just cant provide them with" it would have said the same thing but been so much more diplomatic and maybe even have caused Melo to think the coach actually cared about him, deep down.

Same here

Bruh, these are fire. That Ted Williams one has to happen

Are you like a secret base employee telling us the videos about to come out

Im an arsenal fan and i dont think we were ever a mighty european club. Yes we qualified many tines but we got knocked out in the round of 16 everytime. I think a better team is ac milan or man united. But i agree with everything else u said

Rewinder of the 2010 world cup final would be amazing

Those are some awesome suggestions !!

Karl was never a G.M. but he would get to have great talent in there prime. Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp. Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson & Sam Cassell. Anthony, Camby, Martin. He got 1 finals appearance 0 rings. He was the problem. The league kept recycling him instead of giving others a chance. People wonder why players want to take there carrier in their own Hands. Smh

Ahhh, they were winning with George & losing without him, up until now, so there’s that!

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 George was winning with prime top 10 talent in Seattle Sonics, Milwaukee bucks & Denver but a competent coach should get to the playoffs with the players he had . Where is the finals appearance at least. 0 rings ! That's the problem. Ray Allen and Gary Payton had to change teams to be part of a championship team. It wasn't them they fit and played well in championship games 🤨. So it must be the other guy who didn't do his job G.K

@@bryanttisdale2446 Ahhhh, I'm 1000% sure DEN started winning/going to the playoffs the second George got their! Then started losing/missing the playoffs the second he left #ThatPart #SoTheresThat It's OK to know facts over your opinions, especially when we're on THE INTERNET!!!!! #search #duh

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 Did coach Karl make game winning shots 🤥...No he didn't Melo did. Just like Ray Allen and Gary Payton. It wasn't like he had the 88' Washington Bullets. He had top All stars and HOF's in there 20's prime and had aleast 2 on each of the 3 teams . Karl should apologize for his waste of time and talent.

How do you deduce that Karl was/is vindicated?

@@deanbenford7363 well for starters Melos never been that good defensively and as his careers gone on thats became more and more obvious its why 3 and D guys fit in teams longer, or team players fit in (Vince, Ray Allen) Melo is neither, his work ethic was never the greatest either especially on the defensive end, which is what Karl said. The only thing I disagree with Karl on is bringing his and Kenyons parental stuff into it as thats out of bounds

Look, he can be a great person, but as a player, we all watch the games. We see it on the floor. How can we misunderstand that? And I like Melo, but that doesn't factor into what NBA fans are talking about.

I'm a huge knicks fan but melo trade ruined the knicks and a chance to win a championship in the early 2010s we had a good squad but traded it all away

The Knicks really shot themselves into the foot by trading for Melo at the deadline while they could've gotten him in Free Agency for next to nothing. But apparently the Nets were also interested and likely the Knicks' FO panicked he could go to the enemy (right when the Nets were relocating to Brooklyn) and triggered the trade.

The points you’re making are good but the Knicks trade was not Melos fault. He said he was gonna go to the Knicks at the end of the season either way but the Knicks front office got antsy and gutted their roster for a star who was going to be there anyway. Then they failed to really build around him after that.

True please watch Basketball examined pointed this out he had a huge ego problem the good thing was his game did change.

He explained the Bulls situation. He considered it, but heard rumors about players getting moved..

🤣if u don’t actually watch full melo games just say that

@@JC-po5zy what did I say that was wrong💀 it’s true if you just watch highlights when they win vs bottom feeder teams just say that

@@zachhopkins56 no u said ur opinion 🤣

@@JC-po5zy no I didn’t I literally quoted the video twice and quoted nba analysis if you think mine was an opinion look at his defensive stats in his career

@@zachhopkins56 🤣Dennis Rodman never averaged a 1.0 stl or 1.0 blk and yet he won 2dpoy’s everything you’ve said let’s me know u prolly listen to nick Wright and Ryan hill is 💀but have fun arguing wit ur self kid🤣

U rnt sick

Lol if you'd take TMac or Vince Carter over Melo your smoking some good stuff.

@@jdrmanmusiqking Yeah, that's too far. I think Melo would have been great if he was drafted by Detroit. A team full of tough pros, could teach Melo how to care and how to win. Melo probably wins a ring and becomes an icon. We saw in this video that he did better when Billups came over. Imagine being on a team with Younger better Billups, and Ben Wallace, and Rip Hamilton, and Rasheed Wallace, and Tashaun Prince? The Pistons already beat the Lakers as was. They probably have a dynasty with Melo. They were a great defensive team, so they could cover up for Melo and get him to buy in.

It had to do with his contract. The Ravens paid an above average qb elite money and the roster suffered because of it

@@zachphillips7997 not a story from you. Thanks though

@@rellmar1919 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Spot on man. It took for Melo to be out of the league a good amount of time and be signed by the Blazers for him to change his attitude. While im not defending George Karl, the things he said in the book and interviews about his skills and as a player will be recalled upon once melo's career ends without a championship.

LeBron James Ended Up Being More Successful Than Melo LeBron Has 4 Rings Not Bad For An 6"8 250 Pound Small Forward

Exactly. Stars and coaches need each other, but some stars need a tough coach. Melo is a perfect example who needs a tough coach to demand more out of him. (Kobe and MJ needed a calm coach like Phil to reign them in.) But Melo also needed a team that buys in so that he doesn't feel like he is losing face. Like when Chauncy Billups was on the team. Teams need good vets around the young guys and especially young stars. Keep the headcases away. Basically, Melo is high maintenance. :D He would have been great if he was drafted by the Pistons.

calling him overrated n worse than detlef schrempf

Melo definitely was a number 1 option you clearly dont know basketball Dude really just had bad luck. For almost the 1st 10years of his career he literally never missed the playoffs in the West and literally always got bounced by the eventual *champions* Combine that with injuries to Stoudamire and other teammates, Ya cant make that kind bad luck up but he was clearly the driving force behind Nuggets and NY teams

Yep

Here's one better, Oiler's beef with Edmonton.

the one to Denver or the one to Detroit? 🤣

@@twoodbeats detroit one

They were not winning anything with iverson

@@Xdawgs1118 exactly

@@DemonKing2k8 lmao idk what detroit was thinking there lololol

They already made it where have you been lol

@@blakelip3 It was not a Beef History video though - the feud between AI and Larry Brown was mentioned in the AI stepping over Tyronne Lue Rewinder as well as AI's Untitled episode, but that doesn't tell the entire story though

Karl is was a 60yr old acting childish in the media. Literally no one like him Karl was about as immature as it gets you a 🤡

Hell yes!!!

LeBron?

@@rezhaadriantanuharja3389 Westbrook

I know which ones you're talking about. Rockets, Nuggets, Heat, 76ers all wore them 👍

it explains why he stayed in NYC so long, cause he can get all the shots up

​@@33bigmoneyhe hated that Lin was getting wins, last shots, and all that buzz while he was out. D'Antoni left because he knew this dude wouldn't continue the winning style they were running through Lin. Ohhhhhh what could've been❗ They were even playing good defense❗