People of the world "America is so crazy right?" China "Hold my little emperor."

A real man is not a sheep, nor a wolf. He is a shepherd.

Really strange that these guys mentioned the one child policy but not the HUGE gender imbalance it created. More than a million extra men who by definition will find it impossible to marry and have families. This is the true masculine crisis in China and it's surprising they didn't even touch on it, since I imagine it's having strange effects on the perception of masculinity. Although from what I've heard this affects lower class people more heavily. These guys seemed to focus solely on the rich portion of society, and let's be honest - rich kids are spoiled and coddled everywhere.

Manliness: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

The entire country seems to be under construction.

Im a chinese i fix all my shit myself. fixing car, changing oil, fixing house electric, wires. not b/c i want to, im poor as fuck

As an Asian man, the first time I saw this video I was angry. But then I realized that masculinity essence grows through challenge. So I got up, got back to the gym, and started communicating with strangers and asking out random girls for a date (something that Asian men most likely have never done), and I became more confident. The feminized Asian guy can't get a girl but can keep a girl interested, that's why our divorce rate is low, all we have to do is to increase our masculinity. Thx dudes

Rule #1 of manliness: If you worry about your manliness, you lack it.

My own perceptions of masculinity were challenged when I met someone who had served in the SAS. He wasn't feminine but was softly spoken, polite and in no way socially dominant while talking. He was kind of a introvert. In many ways western society expects a man to be socially aggressive and dominant in order to be masculine. He didn't meet those stereo types but by nature of his former position was clearly a badass of the highest order.

I always made fun of the guys with the man purses when I first got to China. 4 years later, I have a man purse.

@ 2:32 I come from Eastern Europe, and that description for manly is same as ours (Gopnik) down to every freaking detail, only thing missing is Adidas tracksuit xD And the Bluetooth earpiece is the latest "upgrade" XD

so basically I'm very masculine according to Chinese standards

Good times make weak men, weak mean make hard times, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times.

I'm Chinese. I can say for CERTAIN that the ideal Chinese man is not a loser with a beer belly and cig hanging out of his mouth. Men can get away with that in some parts of China. But elsewhere, there are real expectations, you'll have a hard time getting respect from women or men if you don't meet those standards. I'll just mention 3. 1. Have a good job/make lots of money. If you can't hold down a job, no girl's gonna want to marry you and no one is going to introduce a girl to you. The pay and social statuses of your job is very proportionally related to your eligibility. For a woman, having a good/high paying job may make her look pretty cool, but it's also a liability because she usually only wants men who are equally or more successful. And men who make less would find her intimidating. She doesn't have whole lot of choices. 2. Take care of your family, financially. It is the man's job to provide the money. A woman's financial contribution is a personal/family thing. If she works, that's great. But, if mom works but dad's unemployed, NOT OKAY. Real men do not live off his wife or his parents, or anyone else. He should be financially independent and take care of this family (parents, spouse, children minimally). This means that men have greater pressure to get money-making jobs. A woman can be a free lance artist, heck she can be unemployed as far as the society is concerned. But if a man doesn't have a steady income, he's irresponsible, and a failure of a man. 3. Men are supposed to be strong emotionally, socially, but not necessarily physically. They are not supposed to not cry. (Though Chinese men seem to cry a lot more than Americans.) They are supposed to be strong and resilient when facing life problems or conflicts. If they just try to avoid problems, they are not manly. While that kind of strength is appreciated in women, their gender identity doesn't depend on it.

Left wing, right wing, chicken wing! Buckawk!!

Thank you guys very much for posting this! It helps out alot hearing your words, especially with the personal masculinity crisis that I myself have been going through.

Thank you for this interesting video! I'm a European with a degree in Chinese language and culture and spent about two years in China and Taiwan. While I'm familiar with all the things you mentioned, my experiences have partly been a bit different: . - I've met loads of Chinese guys who work very hard to impress girls. Like you said, arranged marriages etc. are still seen among rich/powerful/very conservative families, but are not necessarily the norm. - Lots of young guys exercise, also to look good (less weightlifting than in the West though) - The 土豪 with their cigarettes and man purses are seen as tacky by reasonably educated Chinese people. And a big belly on a guy is mostly considered unattractive by Chinese women as well. For some, having a big belly (just like a really long fingernail on the pinky) is just a way to show that they don't have to do physical work which is not seen as prestigious. In many European countries, being a skilled craftsman is quite a respectable profession, while the Chinese seem to strongly prefer being business people when it comes to prestige. - I think the fact that these guys are flaunting cash is attractive in a way because so many girls were raised in way that made money a high priority in a potential male partner. In Western countries that have been relatively wealthy for a while, the view of money is quite different compared to large parts of the Chinese population. As you said, the parents' generation of today's 20-somethings often grew up way poorer than their kids. - When Chinese people talk about 男子漢, that usually does imply a muscular physique. Interestingly, I also noticed and have been told by locals that many of the more muscular guys are in fact gay.

Having a convo while riding bikes... that's pretty dope

8:40 " I Thought All the men were gay" "Your not the Only one...." HA!!!

“I found it kinda funny- That man is peeing- Anyways...”

"a masculine Chinese man spends as little time with his family as possible" awwwww

Monday mornings where I live start with your videos. I literally start my week watching you guys over breakfast. Love the way you make your videos and support all your projects. You guys are awesome! Keep up the good work! 🤙

It is quite a refreshing feeling to have a glimpse of the Chinese culture from a different unbiased perspective. Winston, you and your friend(s) have done a fantastic job. 你真棒！

Thanks for making me appreciate my beard a little bit more. Ur social commentary on China makes the world a little closer. Knowledge and understand is a weapon against hatred ignorance and bigotry.. Thanks again..

"When he got to China he thought everyone was gay, and he was like really happy. Then he found out that they're not actally gay, they just... look gay".

From my recent experience over in China, I found that young men don't know how to fix anything. They are accustomed to calling someone to fix things with an unwillingness to figure out how things work or create solutions to make things work. I'm generalizing of course.

_Metrosexual:_ a blind person thinks you're straight and a deaf person thinks you're gay.

2:50 The bluetooth piece completed it, you've literally described my dad xDD

I love listening to you guys! Great insight and no BS. Keep it up!

It's not just China, most anti-gay cultured countries tend to have men that appear more "feminine" compared to the west. For example, men in India, China, Pakistan all can be lot more touchy with each other, because they see nothing wrong with it. The thought of it being gay, or having any sexual meaning never crosses their mind. The westerners are very scared of getting called gay or having their sexual orientation assumed wrong, so they label everything as gay or not gay. I also disagree with calling Chinese men not seeing real life. Most of these poor people are seeing real life, even as a child. Many Chinese boys even work as children, instead of playing minecraft all day. In many ways, I would say that's lot more rough than the rich spoiled western culture.

Again.. loving the insight of your videos and honesty. I live in Denmark. I moved to England for a time and I certainly saw how the older generaion was just old fashioned and gender roles. My dad took leave to look after me back in 1982. My mum went back to work. Forget the roles. A man should want to know how to do things that can make him survive on his own. The same with women. Women shouldn't be allergic to DIY lol

When ya showed the dudes ribbon dancing I about lost it! 🤣😅😂😂😅🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I think it's so funny when foreign exchange students from the Middle East and Asia come to America and expect the women here to wait on them. My first bf was Chinese studying in my hometown and told me he was mad that I didn't wait on him or make him a sandwich. Broke up with him the next day. Also, Vivi has always seemed super forward thinking and smart regardless of the "man's society" in China. You married a great woman C-milk!

IMHO, a real man lives his life his own way and allows others to do the same. A real man does his best to take care of his family and to be a good friend to others. A real man doesn't follow the crowd like a bloody sheep, but adopts what suits him gets on with life. A real man follows his heart and makes up his own mind without letting pop culture (all complete shite) dictate what he does or how he acts. A real man cannot hold up a picture of someone else and say, "this is who I am." A real man walks his own path - makes his own path. If you're not the lead sled dog you have a limited view of the world.

"Masculinity is not about being the biggest, the fastest, the strongest, the one who sleeps with the most girls, and the one who has the most money. The one who has the most accomplishments is not the most masculine. In fact, it is often the men who covet these things most who are covering and compensating for the greatest insecurities. Let us revere the one who loves others deeply, loves himself deeply, and has a dream that he is inspired to live with and by and through. He is a man. He does not stand unmoved or untouched in the face of truly moving experiences. He does not judge the totality of his life or anyone else’s life by the totals on the scoreboard as the clock ticks down to zero. He does not use money as a proxy for emotional connection nor material possessions as the measure of his self-worth. He does not define his manhood by the number of women he has conquered. He does not always fight fire with fire; sometimes he doesn’t need to fight at all. He does not meet seriousness with silliness when it is seriousness that is required. He does not take risks for risks’ sake, because he does not hide from his frailty, his mortality, or his humanity. He does not pretend to know everything about anything, nor is he afraid to admit when he knows nothing about something. And perhaps most important of all, he does not walk around thinking he’s The Man. No, the masculine man goes through a journey, a process of self-discovery, and figures out what he needs to do to acquire the tools, knowledge, wisdom, grace, love, passion, and joy to pursue his destiny. His destiny is his dreams. Those may evolve over time, but in their pursuit, he is not breaking down anyone else or hurting anyone else. He is not at war with other people, conquering them. He is the one joining forces, searching for the win-win. He is the one who is lifting others up, inspiring others through his journey and his own process (in which he is finding ways to create value along the way). He is the hero of his own journey. And in so being, he is looking for every way to have the best relationships possible with his family, friends, his romantic partner, his colleagues, or his customers. He’s finding ways to be the best possible version of himself. Masculinity is about discovering yourself and owning what you find. It’s about being kind to others, and pursuing your dreams with all the passion and energy you can muster. It’s about doing something that is meaningful to you that brings value to others. That’s how you build a legacy." ― Lewis Howes, The Mask of Masculinity: How Men Can Embrace Vulnerability, Create Strong Relationships, and Live Their Fullest Lives

This series of videos is just so very very valuable. We form opinions about China from afar, and sometimes these are on mark, but very often they're completely wrong. As the century wears on, its imperative to properly understand China, and we can't do this without insight from such intelligent observers on the ground. Well done, guys.

You guys are Crusaders of peace! 👍😎🏁 keep up the good work! Peace be on to you two!

I have this impression that most of things in China (including culture) are kind of artificial.

Regarding arranged marriages: I think people these days confuse it with forced marriages.

Fascinating and worrying at the same time. Thanks.

The title had me worried. I thought C-Milk was being deported.

This comment section gave me several cancers.

6:36 "that man's peeing" "Yeah"

Such an interesting topic. Thankyou for creating such unique and insightful videos! Very fun yet educational!

I'm a video editor and I love having you guys videos playing in the background as I work I find myself just letting a playlist run for hours. Please keep going as long as you can, this is such great work.

I love your videos. Thanks for making quality content.

I'd imagine the Chinese arent primarily as concerned with how the men dress, i'm guessing it's more about the fact that little emperors make for a poor work force

I love you guys too! It’s so funny and relaxed to watch your videos and patiently listen to your discussion about social differences between China and Western world. I’m from Vietnam and pretty much our society is still sharing quite the same society’s standard and mindsets with China, with high paternalism, gender inequality and stuffs. All in all, much ❤️ to your convo!

13:40 My partner and I were very worried how she was going to introduce me to her very traditional parents, but after our first dinner, they loved me, and i love them too.

Sexuality in China is actually more interesting than you think, at least historically. One of the things early British travelers couldn't stand about China was the pervasiveness of homosexuality in the imperial courts of China. The "traditional" side of china's sexuality might have been constructed after 1949. Homosexuality is getting more "popular" among the young Chinese. Also, don't forget that one of China's top entertainer today Jin Xing is a trans, and people seems to be okay with that.

You guys have some awesome topics, another great video 🙏🏿👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿❤️

In the west we also have a crisis, but instead we go off the rails in an over compensatory manner. We just think getting swole, upping our tinder count, and watching football is masculine and don't bother with anything else... As a result men are failing in schools, relationships, and lagging behind in many professions. Not to mention all round dull with no ambitions.

First time I saw c milk I thought he was gay

"appear weak when you are strong, appear strong when you are weak"

On the kpop thing, in South Korea, pretty boys aren't really seen as a big issue. Young girls are very much into pretty boys and kpop caters to that. In fact, Korean culture is very much into keeping up appearances. That's why fashion and plastic surgery are big industries over there.

That's a great idea to tour around on your bikes for all to see while you speak about topics

Bravely taking on this topic, good job guys, this was really interesting.

You guy really need to learn about some history. The homophobia in China is imported from the west. It largely came about as part of the anti-Qing movement (May 4th, etc) which looked deeply to the west to guide it intellectually. Homophobia was part what was imported. The Qing were very open to homosexuality; in fact it was common for well off European gays to relocate to China, especially BJ and SH, because their home countries usually had the death penalty if you where gay but they could live openly and freely in Qing China. Acceptance of homosexuality varied from dynasty to dynasty with the Qing and the Tang both being very accepting. You should think of it was the west trying to impose something new on China, but rather China returning to it roots and throwing off western homophobia.

While you make a lot of good points about the "little emperor" spoilage and the arranged marriages, your lack of experience with Asian school age kids is also, a little obvious... Psychologist Elaine Aron - who identified the genetic trait of SPS (Sensory Processing Sensitivity) - noticed during her research that in East Asian cultures, "sensitivity" is considered a positive attribute for men, whereas in the west it is considered 'unmanly/feminine'. As a result, East Asian parents/schools encourages boys to be more in-tune with emotions, both themselves and others, which is a trait that "masculine western men" sorely lack. In fact, Elaine commented that in the west, a boy born with natural sensitivity is bound to become bullied to the point of low-esteem, introversion, and even suicide, whereas in Asia they are welcomed and praised by those around them. Thus, for a man to show feminine traits or be "effeminate" has never really been seen as a problem. That being said, Chinese culture does expect men to be fully independent, capable of bearing hardships, and have long term vision, and that's the side lacking these days.

SerpetZA 2017: "I love to keep politics out of everything." SerpetZA 2021: "And oNe MoRe ThInG wrong with the CCP is..." Guess even if you don't believe in politics, politics believes in you, and eventually it can't be ignored.

How is "not wearing beard" a masculinity issue? It's not a choice for many of us.

I actually don’t see a problem with androgynous or effeminate men, if that’s what they like. No men should be forced to be masculine. Granted, that’s a different topic from coddling which discourages children from developing initiative, creative problem solving, and resiliency.

WOW! THIS WAS A REALLY EYE OPENER FOR ME!

Dude, you're gonna face some heat . Kudos to still going ahead with your vlog n speaking your mind out.

podcasting while riding motorbike。。。that is awesome！！

S O Y B O Y S

Enjoy every bit of your vid, thx for sharing your views on this topic

I am abandoned by my father's family, because all they wanted was a son. Then he married other 2 woman just to fulfill his family wishes, to inherit money and stuff. If I was a boy, I think I would be a king right now. But I don't want that at all. I love how you guys cover these kind of issues of China!!

Than rare moment when you are glad to live in Eastern Europe.

interesting topic. Keep up a good work.

You two seem like good friends. That’s awesome

Good honest videos. You have my support guys.

I just returned from Beijing and Qingdao, I was shocked they weren’t in general aggressive or intimidating, I felt like having a brake in my tough guy macho Alpha man acting mode; its felt good. No way I can walk that way in any American or Latino Night Club or any Western men environment with out your manhood/? be challenged. Its dosn't mean they are pussies, they aren’t scare about you because bigger or stronger. I guess their masculinity is not based in muscles and testosterone but in other concepts. I didn’t see any wrong on them.

As a Chinese American girl, I agree with their views on why people designate Chinese guys as feminine. I have witnessed these stereotypes among my own relatives and people far too often. I am not bashing Chinese guys, but simply pointing how masculinity differs from my culture to Western or other cultures. Chinese guys are in fact more "feminine" and passive than other ethnicities due to their cultural upbringing, which heavily shapes their identity and mindset. For example, working out, protecting others (eg. standing up for someone), going against traditional gender roles, and being assertive, expressive or chivalrous are not qualities that Chinese guys are taught to have in society. Simply put, these qualities are not what many Chinese people view as masculine. When Chinese guys are the only son in the family, they are usually very pampered by their relatives simply because Chinese people favor sons and will do everything to make their sons live easier and lazily. I guess you can say they are born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Their aspirations are also heavily molded by their parents' expectations of them and instead of going against those expectations, they go with the flow to keep their family happy. As a result, these lack of qualities that you generally see in other guys are why Chinese guys are perceived as weak and feminine.

What a rad channel. I learn so much and its inspiring

You are diving into this subject with the bluntness of someone who lives in China, which is different to how we approach these things in the West. And especially with at the end, 'we don't take sides' - I feel like you guys are going native! Blunt in pointing out observations, but cagey in expressing heartfelt opinions and bigger conclusions is a way I would stereotype my Chinese friends.

"The boy are valuable" opinion is not still popular at least in eastern area. Many Chinese boys can't find a girlfriend. The arrangement just offers a chance to meet not a deal. The girls are picky in China. And the mother of girls actually push up the housing price in China! Rich boys have choice but the girls also can choose. And nowadays, at least for my male friends in China, many of them go to gyms and they are training themselves.

I think japan is having a more seriously crisis.

Lol that title was just to funny. OMG the dance off part of the video ROFL

I keep wondering why women can't work on farms. They keep saying couples want to have a boy so he can do farm work, but I never hear why women can't do it too. Seriously, if the lack of women in the country is starting to cause problems, they really need to re-examine these ideas.

As a Chinese guy I was laughing all throughout this video.

The guys are absolutely correct in their comments. However, Chinese family especially Mum's want their daughters to marry a 'nice' Chinese boy, not a westerner. I caused a shocked response when the family house keeper first saw me in just a towel after a shower crossing to the bedroom. I have blond beard, blond hair, blue eyes and covered all over with western style body hair. Took the wife's family a while to get used to me. Thick beard and body hair are rare in China. I often attract curious looks on the street especially in more rural areas. Not sure what they think but people of all ages & position want to take photos with me. In one far away place a young man asked if I would mind having my photo taken with a surprised very old man sitting near me in a temple park. Turns the 90yr old man was his Father and I was the 'first' westerner he had ever seen in the flesh.

I love your motorcycle highway chat exchanges.

Being a men has not much to do how you dress/what kind of music you like. It's about having "balls", taking responsibility and being respectful, at work, for your family, children and partner...

Have either of you ever considered traveling to Vancouver bc? I live there and about 40% of the city is Chinese, there are around a 1,000,000 people in the Vancouver area and like 400,000ish of them are Chinese which is pretty significant so Chinese culture is pretty prevalent here and I’d be interested in knowing like how authentic some of the food and cultural practices are.

Oh god that dance off is cringe worthy, and I'm a white guy with no ability to dance at all myself.

I busted out laughing when you brought up the gaudy watch and the keys clipped to the outside of the belt; my father-in-law never leaves our home in Virginia without them, though now he also has added his Gen 4 Glock 32 (.357) to his ensemble!

Crazy how what you guys are saying almost to the t parallels the definition in Egypt

Suggested new channel name: Manginas On Wheels

I don’t speak Chinese lol So it’s really hard to understand the culture in these times But I dated one Vietnamese girl And lots of these things are true With the family hierarchy And the men being spoiled to the point they treat women horribly in marriage It’s crazy because the kdrama’s and Asian Tv completely misconstrues the expectations of a man And they don’t expect the fantasy guy But on the outside It confuses foreigners like me Anyways very insightful I love the videos Love the effort you put into them Thank you so much.

Very interesting and informative. Thanks,

... Hey, Guys. I've been watching and very much enjoying your channel for some time now. I'm alpha male, white, 67, born American (2nd generation). Half Italian, quarter each German and Irish, rumors of a little Hungarian. While researching my social psychology master's degree (Thank You if you didn't stop reading, i totally get that) I ran across a phenomenal new in-depth history compendium, that was a "clean break from the professionally conflicted past", and with rigorous due diligence, dug back to strictly source material. The subject of this amazing compendium was male homosexuality in selected cultures, and the China chapter was a flat-out knock-down *HOWL.* The classic snark "Nobody's *THAT* Gay!!!" came to mind time and time again. "The love of the cut sleeve", "The love of the shared peach" were two most memorable purple-prose (no pun) euphemisms used in one of the most powerful and wealthy dynastic Chinese courts. My personal reaction was "Good grief, what *DIDN'T* they get up to?" And much the same went for Japan, routinely going to great lengths to obfuscate whomever and whatever they were busily copying. Well, he who has two faces can save neither. The aristocratic, priest, military and artisan classes were equally heavily involved. I frequently caught myself simply laughing out loud. By comparison, what contemporary Chinese men are getting up to is as plain as a murder of crows. FYI *:P*

“You gotta UNDERSTAND China...” LOL I watched this one again and threw this comment in for a laugh.

"If you wanna dress like a flower boy then go for it!... 😂"

I like the music at the closing credits. Enjoyed the commentary about masculinity.

this is the first time i enjoy your talk

so am i understanding correctly the guys dancing at minute 5:18 are not gay?

I think chinese (or asian) guys dressing like k-pop "flower boys" isnt really supposed to be feminine, but rather to look fashionable and probably rich. And there is has been similar or maybe almost identical stuff in western pop-culture and fashion (anyone remembering Michael Jackson? Or the Backstreet Boys? And now isnt there this flower boy called Justin Bieber?) Also a man growing a big belly from drinking too much beer and smoking doesnt sound very foreign to me. The differences are more subtle.

love the show on he bikes!,....hella boss yall! Very creative!

Does anyone know the source of the scene kids/emo kids/ravers idk dance off thing shown at 9:55?