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I honestly don’t think Chris Bosh gets enough credit for how good he was in his career and helping Miami win 2 rings

I don’t know if Bosh was better than Melo but he was pivotal to the Heat teams and was a very good first option in Toronto as well

The thing about Bosh was that he was unselfish enough to be the third option on a Miami heat team, and he especially helped big with winning those 2 rings, Melo was on Okc, but he still wanted to be one of the big stars instead of come off of the bench and his ego got the best of him

Expanding on the "guard, forward, bigs" idea, it seems helpful to think of six positions: 'pure' 1: Nash, CP3 1-2: Iverson, Oscar Robertson, Steph 2-3: Jordan, Bird [or a 3-4, because the 3-pt line was less relevant in the 1980s] 3-4: Barkley, Elgin Baylor, LeBron 4-5: Duncan, Garnett 'pure' 5: Shaq, Wilt, Admiral, Kareem There are a few 'pure' 2, 3, and 4s: Reggie Miller, Dominque Wilkins, and Karl Malone. I think a player has to be somewhat exceptional to have a singular position, giving the team less flexibility. These three, for example, succeed at the, "You had one job to do" idea. Since the sixth man even has an award, having 6 spots in the 'line-up' makes sense. Any one of the six can sit and the team can keep on humming. For the Heat, it is easily Bosh >> Melo. If there was a "Top 5 most self-centered players" ranking each year, over the past 15 seasons Melo, Westbook, Harden, and Kyrie might appear the most often. Bosh, on the other hand, was willing to go from the main man on his Raptors team to the third option on the Heat. I have a difficult time seeing 2010 Melo doing that without huge drama.

Tim Duncan, as great as we all agree he was, still seems so underrated to me. That dude went 5-1 in the Finals, played without star teammates most of those years, dominated in the tougher conference, has an argument as the best defender of all time, and STILL many people wouldn't even out him in their top 10 when realistically he might even be top 5.

He was all NBA before coming to Miami. It's not that hot of a take. I would take Bosh over Melo, if he hadn't gotten blood cuts, that Heat squad with Wade and Hassan Whiteside could have made some real noise in the playoffs.

There was some difference between PF and C in the 00s. It wasn't like today for PFs yet but there was the general expectation that a PF would play outside of 5 feet sometimes and be a few inches shorter than the C. Cs didn't have to and very rarely did.

Tim Duncan played 51% of his games as a C and 49% as a PF. He is both.

It's real simple: Bosh never made it out of the 1st round in the weak East as the number 1 guy. Carmelo made the WCF as the guy in Denver in the tough West.

Bosh was absolutely integral to Miami's scheme as a fluid and mobile defensive anchor, allowing LeBron who was a monster capable of truly defending 1-5 back then, play as the Centerpoint of the Defense from the 3/4 positition. If you remove him from the equation and replace him with a traditional triple-threat mid-range volume scorer...yeah the teams defense tanks. Even if Bosh was never a truly elite defensive force, he filled exactly the role that was needed and Melo couldn't do that. It's no hate to Melo, he's an all time great and I'd say in a vacuum for sure a better player than Bosh. but it comes down to team construction and fit more than anything

I really don’t understand the Trae/Curry comparison. The Steve Nash one is really much more accurate.

Trae is definitely overrated by the 2K creators. They have him and the Hawks looking like juggernauts in damn near every 2K sim that I've seen. Jokes aside, I think Trae is more underrated now than overrated. The weaknesses in his game are what they are, but not to the point where so ma y people should dismiss his talent and his impact. Also, I think there's merit to saying that Bosh is better than Melo. Melo was more talented, and we got to see him shine on his own, but Bosh did have a more winning style than Melo did, especially defensively. Not to. mention his willingness to accept a leeser role in the service of winning.

Chris Bosh undeniably had a better career than Melo and was on his heels as a #1 guy in Toronto and briefly in Miami.

What’s hot about this take? All Melo was was a great iso-ball scorer. Sure he was elite at it, but a one dimensional player should never be over a guy who could play both sides of the ball

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I just think Heat win 2 still but never beat the Spurs. Melo scoring would help overcome Dallas and probably OKC. Spurs hunting him off the floor in the Finals.

I think Melo was the better player, but Bosh was better for those Heat teams. People forget how good Denver Melo was when he was playing with Chauncey Billups.

Gonna say now that Melo was the more talented player, but I see no issue with ranking Bosh above him. Better defender and rebounder (comes with a big to wing comparison, but Melo was also poor defensively and a slightly overrated rebounder), and was an important piece to four finals teams, winning two titles in the process. After his Raptors days, the stats weren't as gaudy, but Bosh was a winner

Chet is coming off a season ending injury and he’s even thinner than Wemby. It’s unrealistic to expect either of them to play enough games to qualify for ROTY

Aye caught it 17 seconds in 😂

3:41 I don't get the disagreement on this take. What championship team can win without a good to elite playmaker?

The 5 best centers ever are Kareem, Bill Russell, Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem. No PF other than Timmy gets close, and if I had to make a snap decision, I'd put him above Shaq and Hakeem. After Hakeem, you got Moses Malone as guaranteed greater than KG and it's a strong argument with David Robinson. I'd personally have KG higher than the Admiral but that's personal preference, but Kareem-Bill-Wilt-Timmy-Shaq-Hakeem-Moses-KG-Admiral as almost locks in my view for the top 9 big men of all time, and then for the 10th spot you can go with guys like Jokic, Nowitzki, Bob McAdoo, Dwight Howard and those level of guys.

lookin forward to the okcity vid bro

50+ wins seems like a lot though? All of their players continuing to develop and be great is pretty likely, but not necessarily all at the same time ya know?

If it weren’t for Bosh kicking that offensive rebound out to Ray Allen, they wouldn’t have won the 2013 title. Allen’s shot was tremendous, but I don’t think Bosh gets enough, or really any credit for that crucial rebound and assist.

We need that Thunder vid on the main 🤝🏿

I feel like for how much of the salary melo takes vs Bosh would and how much more elements he adds to an already good team, I’d rather have both as a #2 or #3 man on a title team and as the #1 they both can’t get it done so why not bosh > Anthony

Melo’s clearly more skilled and talented but idk. Melo’s team were always better than bosh’s team before the big 3.

"Distinguishing" maybe

The Duncan question matters, because he is clearly the vest PF if we see him as that, but I don't think he is in the top 3 of centers.

Chris Bosh wasnt better than Melo but imo Bosh is top 75 player of all time Avgs of 19 and 9 and being all star 11 out of 13 years is impressive

Chet is doing very well. While I don’t necessarily agree with a player winning RoY after sitting out one season, however, the rules are what they are and Chet is playing the best.

10 best big men of all time: 1. Kareem 2. Wilt 3. Russell 4. Duncan 5. Shaq 6. Hakeem 7. Moses Malone 8. Garnett (I'm not sure if KD is a power forward or not but if he was he'd be ranked here) 9. Admiral 10. Dirk Honorable mentions (in order): Giannis, Barkley, Jokic, and he who shall not be named

There is a big difference between your clickbait title and the "hot take" that was made. The take is absolutely true: Melo, especially in these years, needed the ball to go to him to score and create for himself. I am not sure he would have been ok with being "Olympics Melo" in the NBA and staying in the corner for Wade& Bron to create for him. And in defense he clearly would have been a weakness instead of Bosh being a strength. Then again in 2012-2013 you would have had 3 of the 10 best scorers in the League on the same team so they should have won too.

Bosh was a critical player for the big 3 heat and he was the best stretch big when he played for the Heat

Hot take Dillion Brooks is over hated by casuals.

Where would Tim Duncan rank on the all time center list if he was ranked as one

The Thunder are gonna kick ass this year. I've been trying to tell people this since the 22' season and they keep laughing at off. I can't wait to be vindicated

Replace Bosh with Melo Miami would have had at least 1 less ring. Bosh was integral to Miami's defense and obviously a better rebounder. Melo would be just a very expensive spot up shooter for them since Wade and Lebron could score more efficiently on high volume anyways. Plus Melo would have created locker room problems most likely.

Bosh >>> Melo is a super cold take imo

I’m not sure if Bosh > Melo is an actual hot take. Like this is a discussion people haven’t really had yet to try and sort things out.

The wemby glaze is generational

Ok we have to slow down on the thunder and I’m a thunder fan the okc thunder are focus on developing they still going to play random lineups and have g leagues and two way guy play at times we not going to play like most team and run a 9 man rotation we still gonna run 12-15 man rotation and still develop guys I think we going to be good but I think their going to be games when we lose before we trying to develop guys I think we be 8 or 7 seed best case is 6 seed 2024-25 is the season I’m expecting a top 5 seed

I'll take Bosh on my team as a 3rd piece over Melo as a 2. Melo was never a 1 or 2 type guy

Caramelo is a better first option but Bosh has more portability

9:33 Lmao

I totally agree with you Tim Duncan PF/C take, and how people make too big a deal of arbitrary things like positions far too often just to satisfy rankings. My best “big men” of all time would be: 1. Kareem 2. Tim 3. Hakeem 4. Bill Russell 5. Shaq 6. Wilt 7. Garnett Jokic, Giannis, Admiral, Karl and Moses Malone are just outside that for me.

best big men all time: (not the greatest) 1. Hakeem Olajuwon 2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 3. Shaq 4. Tim Duncan 5. KG

I remember when max kellerman said Trae young plays better in the playoffs over curry…

Trae Young averages terrible shooting percentages, both at the 2 and 3. Last year he averaged 33% from 3 and 43% overall. That was one of his worst years, but in all but one year his averages are similar to that. This would be redeemable with his playmaking (he averaged 10apg) but for someone who shoots around 20 shots a night and is a liability on defense, he’s ultimately a liability to his team.

Saying Bosh is better than melo is the problem with ring culture in the nba

Tim Duncan is the best big man ever and should be considered top 5 change my mind

All these comments talking bout heat bosh like raptors bosh wasn't a 23~ ppg scorer on positive efficiency

....the title gives me pain

Trae is not a 'generational' playmaker, also not a guy that scores high volume points 'efficiently'. The fact that you made those points means you are overrating him ;)

Yep Bosh was always better than that bum they call Jelo

You need to start picking better takes bro 🔥

Brunsen is a cold mfer but there are alot of guards who are better and will have a better yr than brunsen. He aint gonna be all nba.

This ain't a hot take. More like a criminal act. 🥴

Bosh was better at winning games.

Chris bosh is better than melo. You're not winning with melo as a #1 and he wouldnt be a #2 or #3 when he was in his prime. There's more to bb than just scoring. Being a teammate is one.

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Bosh was good but not better than melo.

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Even if Duncan was a PF, KG is still the best PF of all time. Sorry if the truth hurts, Spurs fans...

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