Comparing the JPS, Artscroll, & Koren english translations

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alphacenturian

alphacenturian

6 жыл бұрын

I bought two new TANAKHs and I wanted to share my first impressions as well as do a basic review comparing the JPS, Artscroll, & Koren English translations. Enjoy.
#review #biblereview
here are the links:
Artscroll English Tanach a.co/d/0sN7IZQ
Koren Jerusalem Tanakh (Hebrew and English Edition) a.co/d/iPTysGG

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@fratercontenduntocculta8161
@fratercontenduntocculta8161 3 жыл бұрын
I've had my JPS Tanach for almost 20 years now. The print size, formatting and translation were big reasons why I bought it, and the trop for the Hebrew text is an excellent bonus.
@therandeydenyah
@therandeydenyah Жыл бұрын
I love what you say at 11:08. I'm a stickler on the Names in the Bible and I read them in the Hebrew and honestly, much easier to say.
@dhannt5875
@dhannt5875 Ай бұрын
I have the Jerusalem Bible edition, it’s great reading on both sides contexts.
@NormanF62
@NormanF62 2 жыл бұрын
The main difference between Artscroll and JPS/Koren is the classic Jewish commentaries supplied in Artscroll. I don’t think any one can understand the Torah until they read Rashi, who is by general consent, the greatest Jewish commentator on the Torah and the Talmud. Without him, they would still be sealed books. The Jewish Study Bible based on JPS, offers s modern Jewish scholarly insight into the entire Hebrew Bible. One would be remiss to draw attention to Robert Alter’s magnum opus, the Hebrew Bible, which is s tour de force as a translation and commentary on its literary style and cultural impact upon Western civilization.
@truthhitman7473
@truthhitman7473 7 ай бұрын
The Talmud is not the word of God, though. Plus commentaries, unless it's done by Moses himself, are Subjective.
@MinisterRedPill
@MinisterRedPill 4 ай бұрын
​@@truthhitman7473the "word of God" is the Torah only. You don't have the authority to determine what the word of God is.
@Ralbuug
@Ralbuug 2 ай бұрын
@@truthhitman7473You’re right, the Talmud isn’t the word of G-D. The Torah & the Mishnah (Oral Torah) is the word of G-D. The Oral Torah is included in the Talmud. The reason Christians don’t believe in the Oral Torah is because it’s 30+ books. Christians like their nice, neat and cute little “One Holy Book.”
@truthhitman7473
@truthhitman7473 2 ай бұрын
@@MinisterRedPill Yes I do. Because I'm a witness. The Most High 👑 gave Moses the Torah, not the Tulmad. The Torah is the ONLY book the Most High 👑commanded the Israelites to keep. And one of the commandments IN the Torah is not to ADD or to OMITT from the Torah, which is the book of the law. Deuteronomy 4:2. The books of the prophets are the prophecies and history of the children of Shem, hence the word Shemites and semites. The Israelites, not Europeans who descend from Japheth, but Israelites who descend from Shem.
@powerfulaura5166
@powerfulaura5166 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link to where I could buy that Hebrew-English _Koren Jerusalem Bible_ you have? The only ones I can find online are a tiny 'compact' edition & larger Hebrew-only editions. Thank you!
@ChiliMcFly1
@ChiliMcFly1 3 жыл бұрын
Hashem is Hebrew for "THE NAME" which refers to YHVH.
@SRBLIS3416
@SRBLIS3416 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@firstroundboxing7649
@firstroundboxing7649 2 жыл бұрын
UPDATE from my previous comments lol I now have a JPS and a Koren bible.. The JPS one is a much smoother read as it's modern English, the Koren bible not as smooth because it's King James like (unless you're into that) but yes it's pretty cool that it keeps the original names and places pronounced that way.
@firstroundboxing7649
@firstroundboxing7649 2 жыл бұрын
But for really for Christians all you need is a bible, I just spent the money bc I wanted extra translation comparisons
@permafrost7781
@permafrost7781 7 ай бұрын
@@firstroundboxing7649 Hi, any way you can tell me how Zechariah 12:10 is written in both? And is your JPS a 1917 version? Ty
@firstroundboxing7649
@firstroundboxing7649 7 ай бұрын
@@permafrost7781 "But I will fill the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem with a spirit of pity and compassion; and they shall lament to Me about those who are slain, wailing over them as over a favorite son and showing bitter grief as over a first born" - JPS (not 1917) and the Koren one says "But I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants Yerushalayim, the spirit of grace and of supplication: and they shall look towards Me, regarding those whom the nations have thrust through. And they shall mourn for him (that is slain) as one mourns for an only son, and shall be in bitterness over him, as one that is in bitterness for a firstborn"
@beeinthebodytorahclass2002
@beeinthebodytorahclass2002 Жыл бұрын
❤️
@rockerdax
@rockerdax 5 жыл бұрын
Have you noticed any theological/sectarian differences between the Artscroll and the Jewish Study Bible? I own the JSB already (thanks to this video, in fact), but am wondering how strongly you recommend the commentary of the Artscroll one. Because I certainly don't need to buy it for the charts and geneologies, I have plenty of those.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
Oddly, maybe because it is the same publishing house (Oxford) but the JSB & the NAB study match up nicely; though with very different theological perspectives. They complement each other well & fill in the “gaps” in commentary from the other. The Artscroll has a completely different approach in its notes. It is a political book in as much as it is pro-Israel & thus more friendly to conservatives and even consolatory to literalist. I hope that helps.
@rockerdax
@rockerdax 5 жыл бұрын
@@alpha4IV Yeah sounds like it's worth a look then. I love my Oxford bibles, but far too often my JSB and New Oxford Annotated NRSV have word-for-word the exact same notes. If the Artscroll can provide a different perspective that's still strongly Jewish, that's great.
@vanessamercado4960
@vanessamercado4960 2 жыл бұрын
hello! thank you so much for the review, can you please provide the link so I can purchase these? thank you !
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 2 жыл бұрын
Artscroll English Tanach a.co/d/0sN7IZQ
@duromusabc
@duromusabc 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 versions of the JPS Tanakh 1985 blue paperback version (English only ) 2003 black imitation leather pocket version (English and Hebrew) I love them both !
@stephonolomax7749
@stephonolomax7749 4 жыл бұрын
Since I'm very intrigued by the original Context of the Hebrew Bible (in other words, its Ancient Near Eastern Context), which translation in this video would be the BEST, or as close to the best, book to purchase?
@davidjohnson1536
@davidjohnson1536 11 ай бұрын
I thought your review was very fair-especially for a Christian. Thank you. When I resort to the vulgar tongue of English, I use the Jewish study Bible and the Concordant Literal Old Testament (CVOT). The NJPS translation is very readable and the historical/exegetical flavored notes of the study Bible, I find, more useful that the commentaries of the Rabbis and Rashi, etc. The Concordant Literal is by far the most literal of any English Bible and includes information from the LXX and Qumran scrolls. Please look into it and let us know what you think. Here is Genesis 1:1 in the CVOT: In (a) beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. As (for) the earth, it came (to) be (a) chaos and vacant, and darkness (was) over the (sur)face of (the) abyss. And (the) spirit of Elohim (was)vibrating over (the sur)face of the waters. Words above, in parentheses, occur in the translation as light face, so they are not as distracting as my parentheses.
@charlietwotimes
@charlietwotimes Жыл бұрын
JPS is actually translated from the RSV! Artscroll has a much more in-depth commentary... eg: in Proverbs you get both the literal commentary of the "strange woman" being an adultress it's also a metaphor for heresy. It absolutely blows your mind. The JPS is lacking so much in comparison.
@davidjohnson1536
@davidjohnson1536 11 ай бұрын
The NJPS is much better than the JPS.
@mider9996
@mider9996 3 жыл бұрын
Does the Koren have instructions on sitting and standing etc?
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 3 жыл бұрын
Not really. It is more of a “study bible”than a worship guide.
@franniefromvenice
@franniefromvenice 3 жыл бұрын
You don't stand when the Torah is read. You stand at the blessing before every aliyah, but sit during the reading. Also, this is a study/reference book, usually siddurim (prayer books) include the weekly portions, so you don't use this volume during prayer
@bmpmvp6069
@bmpmvp6069 3 жыл бұрын
When in a Synagogue and the Torah is removed from the Ark, one must stand until the Torah is placed back into the Ark, unless you suffer from a condition which would result in an issue if one stands or if one cannot stand at all. Also, these Tanakhs are what we refer to as a Chumash, which is a Torah that is not in scroll form and is typically only used for studying. Actual Torah scrolls are considered much holier than a Chumash, as everything must be handwritten in ink, no mistakes can be present in it whatsoever, along with other guidlines, this process typically takes many months sometimes a year to complete. Hope this helped.
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
​​@@bmpmvp6069interesting tradition. To my knowledge, "holiness" of the Ruache is not imbued by a scribe, but rather the inspiration that is imbued within the scribe by the Ruache. Printed or written, holiness is found in the meaning of the Ruache, not the meaning of the scribe. Careful... by using your metrics, another could also easily declare Helenistic Hebrew manuscripts are superior, when Jews know they are not.
@moonglow7710
@moonglow7710 5 жыл бұрын
I'm currently using the Cepher and the ISR.
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
2 corrupted versions, even according to Messianics.
@moonglow7710
@moonglow7710 9 ай бұрын
@@MRUmmss i didn't know that.
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
@@moonglow7710 check my sight here for more info.
@deepak6529
@deepak6529 5 жыл бұрын
Whats the difference in artscroll tanach student edition and the full size ?
@Bellg
@Bellg 5 жыл бұрын
Only difference is size. the full edition is quite big.
@rainstormr7650
@rainstormr7650 Жыл бұрын
@beig : is the text (specifically the hebrew) of a readable size in the student edition ?
@deepak6529
@deepak6529 5 жыл бұрын
Is the hebrew text of the koren bible readable?? Or small?
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
At this size, readable. But there is a compact edition, that cost a bit less that is a bit harder to read.
@deepak6529
@deepak6529 5 жыл бұрын
@@alpha4IV what size is this koren bible called and does the hebrew text include the vowels?? Thanks for ur reply
@christo-chaney
@christo-chaney 4 жыл бұрын
In every Hebrew Tanakh the Hebrew is always published with the vowels.
@kyogregroudon6457
@kyogregroudon6457 3 жыл бұрын
is Koren jerusalem bible available in Philippines? Plss i need a answer
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know, but I bought it through Amazon.
@boliussa
@boliussa Жыл бұрын
Listening to you at 0:27, Tanach doesn't "translate". There are translations of Tanach. JPS 1985 is one translation of Tanach.
@firstroundboxing7649
@firstroundboxing7649 2 жыл бұрын
Artscroll ones are very hard to find in the UK. Might just stick with my Old Testament.
@FionaKumariCampbell
@FionaKumariCampbell 9 ай бұрын
Lehmanns sells it
@user-rl3ng9tn8r
@user-rl3ng9tn8r 6 ай бұрын
I was easily able to buy one online that was pre-owned, but in "New Condition" and it was new. The Artscroll English/Hebrew Stone Edition is the way to go in my opinion. At my Shul we use the Koren Siddur "Prayer book" Lobel Edition, but when we discuss the Torah portion for the week we use The Artscroll Torah. I would order it online if I were you, you can find some great deals including Abe Books and many others.
@theburningelement.6447
@theburningelement.6447 5 жыл бұрын
Art scroll hands down best
@davidrutledge6215
@davidrutledge6215 2 жыл бұрын
I started watching your video but immediately noticed you were misreading the beginning of Genesis that you were holding in front of the camera. (2:48) Doesn't bode well . . .
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 2 жыл бұрын
???? as in it didn’t match the translation you use or as in I stuttered. I don’t know what you mean.
@davidrutledge6215
@davidrutledge6215 2 жыл бұрын
@@alpha4IV The JPS Study bible you have in front of the camera at 2:40 or so reads, "When God began to create heaven and earth", while you read, "When God created the heavens and the earth". Not a terrible mistake requiring you to be banished from the youtube kingdom -- but in all fairness, you are comparing the translations and therefore you need to be correct. In my humble opinion. I am a nobody-- probably without your credentials -- but I do love the scriptures. No harm meant. 🙂
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
​@@davidrutledge6215yeah they caught you there, buddy. Makes an excellent case for "mistakes in manuscripts," though!
@MinisterRedPill
@MinisterRedPill 4 ай бұрын
​​@@MRUmmsshas absolutely nothing to do with the manuscripts but is based on how the first verse ought to be interpreted. The most literal is "in the beginning God created" but according to Rashi it should be "in the beginning of God's creating". The most literal is not always correct when translated.
@bradleyjh4939
@bradleyjh4939 5 жыл бұрын
You seem to be under the impression that the Masoretic texts are somehow better and not corrupted. The reason why Christian biblical scholars use many different sources (many non-Hebrew), is because the Masoretic texts are late to the game. They're from the early medieval period when the masoretes added their vowelization. They frequently contradict older manuscripts or even each other. And secondly, Aramaic is not a dead language and is still spoken by thousands in the Middle East and the US.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
Bradley Blowe 1 “You seem to be under the impression that the Masoretic texts are somehow better and not corrupted.” I never said nor implied that, I simply said that the leap in translation is less, which it is, and that reading a Jewish direct translation from the Hebrew is a good way to understand how they read the text and where and why their understanding differs from the Christian led translations. 2 “The reason why Christian biblical scholars use many different sources (many non-Hebrew), is because the Masoretic texts are late to the game. They're from the early medieval period when the masoretes added their vowelization.” This is a poor argument that I have seen destroyed by many Jewish apologists and rabbis on youtube. Even if I agreed with you, this argument does not hold water when speaking against a well versed rabbi. I’ve seen Trovi Singer humiliate people who try to use this line of reasoning. And Muslims will quickly jump on this argument to prove why they claim the Quran is more pure and thus less corrupt than our text. Next, many rabbis have started using your same argument against us, going after the Greek septuagint. I’m sure reciptus is next. 3 “They frequently contradict older manuscripts or even each other.” Again, Muslims will quickly jump on this argument to prove why they claim the Quran is more accurate. Also, many rabbis have started using this same argument against us, going after the Greek septuagint. I’m sure reciptus is next. 4 “And secondly, Aramaic is not a dead language and is still spoken by thousands in the Middle East and the US.” I’m aware, I’ve made a video on this, called the Bible should be sung. But, ancient Aramaic, that is the Biblical Aramaic that is found in the Bible is most definitely a dead language, unless you want to say as English Speakers we still activity use Old English? While modern Aramaic, just like modern Hebrew has little to do with its root language.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
The real world.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
The real one.
@user-dj3is2qh2u
@user-dj3is2qh2u 2 жыл бұрын
@@alpha4IV I know this is an old comment, but Tovia Singer is a charlatan and one of the last “scholars” I would cite.
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-dj3is2qh2uThis.
@techcores
@techcores 5 жыл бұрын
Just some outside information for you. Outside of Israel, most of us jews use the Artscroll Stone Edition of the Tanach. In Israel, they use Koren versions, even in school, as I believe they are most literal. JPS is junk. They have modernized language in some areas and their translation in certain parts is not literal, it's been massaged for a more modern presentation. Finally, what you refer to as the Jewish Study Bible, is not a jewish bible at all. It is a messianic believer's text which uses a JPS translation, but is gear towards believers of the brit hadashah (new testament). Traditional jews and hebrews do not use or read this book.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
knifeguru Thank you for the info. I was wondering why the JPS fit so well with my Christian Study Bibles, in wording.
@Bellg
@Bellg 5 жыл бұрын
So what's your opinion on Koren versions. I've got the artscroll stone edition but not a Koren edition. So is it truly a more accurate translation or is there another factor that determines which "version" is used in different places.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 5 жыл бұрын
If its possible for accurate translations of the same text to have different political bents, then that is what I would say is the largest different between the major three translations. One has a pro-Israel nationalist “agenda,” one is more for Messianic-Jews & the so called crypto Jews of the Sephardic Diaspora, and one has a kinder tone for Reformed synagogs.
@davidroberts3262
@davidroberts3262 5 жыл бұрын
I like the Koren and the Keter Crown Bible by Ravi Shahar. They're the most literal and faithful to the Hebrew.
@christo-chaney
@christo-chaney 5 жыл бұрын
The Jewish Study Bible isn’t a Messianic Version. The Complete “Jewish” Study Bible by Hendrickson is Messianic.
@HelloEli
@HelloEli 3 жыл бұрын
Cepher*
@YAH_ONLY
@YAH_ONLY Ай бұрын
That’s funny
@dougvb2096
@dougvb2096 7 ай бұрын
If you really want to read it as close to the Hebrew as possible, get an Interlinear Bible. The word order will also be as in the original Hebrew. The English in all of these is still a translation that is no better than the ESV or NASB. Also note that the oldest existing copies of the Hebrew Bible are in Greek, not Hebrew. As far as the commentary in them goes, be careful because they were written around 1,000 AD, which means long AFTER the New Testament was written. So, the commentary also stands as a refutation of Christian doctrine.
@jasonsmall5602
@jasonsmall5602 6 ай бұрын
Artscroll also has an interlinear version, though i find it very distracting. It also has the onkelos translation, in aramaic, which i believe is going to be older than greek translations.
@alvinmann6727
@alvinmann6727 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent reviews. However HaShem means “The Name” I have yet found a solid good reason to not use the Father’s name! It was stricken 6,823 times out of the first writings/Tanakh alone. I think it’s important to know it and say it.
@jovivlogz9099
@jovivlogz9099 2 жыл бұрын
its for reverence.
@ChristcentredNaturalgee
@ChristcentredNaturalgee 2 жыл бұрын
The name above all names is deliberately not pronounced as a form of respect and instead they say HASHEM(The Name) or ADONAI(My Lord)
@bill4149
@bill4149 Жыл бұрын
The Talmud states that a Jew who speaks the name of God as it is written has no share of heaven.
@element2138
@element2138 11 ай бұрын
These videos address your question: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qd6Pac6A19yccps.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJynY91lutWYcmg.html
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
I agree YaHWeH should be learned by all adherents to TaNaK. The bogus arguments for reverence are out of ignorance and a lack to pursue Him altruistically.
@HelloEli
@HelloEli 3 жыл бұрын
Bro don’t use the Cepheus its trash, the publishers are gold diggers!!! I sold mine
@Hchris101
@Hchris101 2 жыл бұрын
Good video but 12 rules for life is lame
@convert2islaam500
@convert2islaam500 4 жыл бұрын
The JPS tanakh is a bad translation in Genesis 1:1
@iannaalexis
@iannaalexis Жыл бұрын
very helpful review! my only little critique is please don’t call Jews “Hebrews”, the only people I know who cal themselves that are messianics or “torah observant” christians, and they are not Jewish. Thanks!
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV Жыл бұрын
It’s been too long since I posted this particular video, but I tend to prefer Hebrew in my language so as not to give any hint or “dog whistle” of antisemitism. I do this distinction in my public writing and well as my personal life. Is that an incorrect designator? Is there a boarder more inclusive term that would be applicable. I am genuinely asking as I have never been corrected otherwise.
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
​​@@alpha4IVdont listen to that person. Hebrews is fine. Israelites are also known as Hebrew. Jews is fine too. Dont get sucked into BS Rabbinical debates. You're fine.
@element2138
@element2138 9 ай бұрын
@@MRUmmss It's not Rabbinical. And Rabbinic is not evil. You've been indoctrinated.
@MRUmmss
@MRUmmss 9 ай бұрын
@@element2138 it is Rabbinical. It is Kabbalistic. It is also false. I didnt claim they are evil. The fact that you default to defensive posture indicates your own insecurity with this challenge to authority.
@element2138
@element2138 9 ай бұрын
@@MRUmmss She prefers the name Jewish, over Hebrew. That's neither Rabbinic or Kabbalistic. Kabbalistic is not synonymous with the Rabbinic, and is irrelevant. But please share your source or link, for your claim. When will you learn to read Hebrew, so you won't have to rely on deceptive influencers?
@tikvahspagepage8760
@tikvahspagepage8760 Жыл бұрын
Practitioners... not the people of the Tenach. Convert khazarians. They never came out of Egypt.
@diegovalleperez3360
@diegovalleperez3360 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
@richardandlukeministrysoft7456
@richardandlukeministrysoft7456 3 жыл бұрын
JESUS is lord and messiah
@paulcaswell2813
@paulcaswell2813 3 жыл бұрын
Oh dear...
@kanstanzinikoloenko3633
@kanstanzinikoloenko3633 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulcaswell2813 why o dear?
@LW-Isaiah40-60
@LW-Isaiah40-60 7 ай бұрын
...of paganism
@7thheaventruth
@7thheaventruth 3 ай бұрын
Jesus loves you 😊
@YAH_ONLY
@YAH_ONLY Ай бұрын
That’s funny. In a sad way.
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