Gainesville resident here. Agreed. Keep yourself safe, friend.

This is all I could think about watching this lmao. For bothe the ghosts hoax part and the beach part

Yep and recently we learned that completely incompetent law enforcement, that are ignoring terrorists and just let them overtake critical infrastructure are also realistic.

We didn't know we lived in the darkest timeline. we thought we had a chance.

Calling in 2021. Gov Abbott is also one of those shark mayors. Opening up maskless 100% before kids and majority of adults are fully vaccinated. While people still die.

And still.

literally happens in Miami every year when it becomes a shark mating ground, which also happens to be when they are most aggressive.... I think that is what jaws was based on? Miami just puts out little warning signs, since it is every summer and they literally just shouldn't even be a tourist destination.

Exactly what I was thinking

mbricolage i wanna read!!!

That NEEDS to be a movie

I actually think the Mayor's actions are well-justified throughout the movie. Not justified as in "reasonable," mind, but in the sense of being understandable if you get the position the townspeople are in. It's a resort community. The town's businesses survive throughout the rest of the year on the money they're able to pull in during the summer. "Sitting out one 4th of July" could lead to an underwhelming summer, which could lead to countless businesses having to close up shop during the off-season because they can't stretch their meager earnings to cover them until the next year. Of course, the fallout of a series of very public, fatal shark attacks is undoubtedly going to be more devastating. In fact, I think that's something the future Jaws movies (if they needed to exist in the first place) should've explored. Jaws 2 should've found Amity having been reduced to a ghost town in the wake of the first film's events.

I'm game

It's been a year, but I have to say I just read this and laughed out loud, and I'm not the type of person who laughs out loud a lot. So yes, proceed with movie. I imagine the Shark Mayor coming up with increasingly absurd reasons for keeping the beaches open at all cost, despite a mounting death toll. Some heavy politicians as predator theme going on as well, so there is more than one level going on for sure.

"Shots fired? Armed men? Phtt! Who cares?" If worst came to worst, Bruno could have called local police to set Carmine straight. Or maybe he tried and I don't remember. I just hate that film so much, and not just that part.

Yeah, that's the real ticket. The point about Mclean being a super cop is wrong because he's pretty much known to be a screw up, especially later films. The chief of police of any place would sit up and say "People running around shooting in my jurisdiction?" *pushes Mclean out of his way by the face* "Get my top guys on this before it explodes."

Funny how the plots of many 80s action movies--if not ALL of them--completely fall apart if you imagine them taking place after September 11th 2001. Like with Ghostbusters: See how long after building unlicensed nuclear accelerators (and wearing them as backpacks in New York) before Homeland Security delivers you to a deep, dark hole that officially doesn't exist for "enhanced interrogation"😜

Was going to say that.

Australian and uk arent great either

Jaws mayor and Florida governor

yep

I came to find this comment. No one would risk lives to keep businesses open -_-

But not by sending THAT guy.

They aren't going to send the guy that will just shut off the unregulated nuclear reactor without doing any sort of inspection to see if it would blow up the city if it was shut off.

The Fantastic Paul Pal, nuclear reactors don't blow up and explode. That's something TV probably taught you or one of your friends.

I think we can all agree that although it is entirely appropriate for the EPA to investigate the small business operating an unregulated nuclear reactor in the middle of New York, but the person they sent should have kept an open mind to the reality of the business in question and just focused on determining the safety of the business' practices and their effects on the environment. If there was any worry that they were not a legit business or using potentially dangerous gasses to trick people into thinking they were seeing ghosts the EPA representative could simply ask to do a ride-a-long and see the ghostbusters in action.

FUCKING THANKYOU! And the LAST thing ANYONE from the EPA would do is shut off the system. Nuclear Fallout. Come on people.

Jesse Woolridge like Nancy's father in Nightmare on Elm Street? I fucking hated him. At least her mom wasn't in denial until it was too goddamn late.

Remember getting frustrated with all the medical staff in Nightmare 3. The role playing kid even states it to them. Points out that they all had these nightmares about the exact same guy before they even met. Not one of these doctors understands that's not how hallucinations work.

Kid: Stranger danger! Adults: Shut up and eat your ice cream.

@Jesse that's because kids are stupid.

@@Johnlewis0876 kids arent stupid they just lack experience. That doesnt mean you should ignire their distress calls.

I thought it sounded like an Australian accent too! I think he's just really bad at it, but he is not from Philadelphia.

I only lived in Philadelphia for about a decade, but none of that sounded remotely familiar. "Wudder" for "water," though...

Philadelphians don't have accents. They just have speech impediments.

flufffya? seriously? i could see how it would sound like that if you're going out of your way to mock someone but it's just "fulla dell f'ya" or "this fucking place"

My cousins are from Cherry Hill and they do pronounce home like that haha. The rest of what he said was kinda over the top.

KatieDidIt the way I see it is most people are assholes, therefore most cops are assholes Here's hoping we get an actual robocop going forward

There are plenty of more dangerous jobs than cop. The difference is, the cops often kill people. Often because they don't like their color.

@@jeric_synergy8581 oooh booy...

@@jeric_synergy8581 I forget where, but they actually had to pass a law making it illegal for cops to have sex with the people they stop and/or arrest.

@@LadyLexyStarwatcher Its still legal in some places here in the USA

his explaination was really dumb though

maximuscesar the other article/video was about him not being wrong to be doing his job of trying to regulate and inspect a non-compliant, prototype, nuclear powered device. This ones about how the character was written as a bureaucratic, unbending, government agent, trying to use every arm of the government; to destroy a small business no matter the cost. He was only the bad guy because they needed a mid-script villain to help advance the plot.

ERB maybe? ("Walter Peck was right, that's some shady shit.")

It was After Hours, something about Ghostbusters being full of right-wing messages.

it certainly does seem like if Peter had just politely answered his questions they might have gotten Peck's full cooperation. but that is itself a "straw man" argument. we can never truly know if Peck would've cooperated or if he had already made up his mind to be a dick to them no matter how they acted. Venkman may have been (coincidentally) right to be a preemptive dick to him.

It almost makes you wonder how much of an asshole the protagonist is when not filmed! :D

That's still stupid.

The mayor said so, himself, "You yell 'Shark,' we've got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July." But he refuses to confront the issue. That's what baffles me. Swimming is the town's economy, there have been shark attacks, it seems the best thing, even for PR, is to be able to say, "We HAD a shark problem, but we dealt with it. The beaches are safe, again."

Aged like milk.

Also, these don't keep showing up. These aren't examples of character archetypes, these are specific characters from specific films.

They are archetypes, but I don't think "straw man" is the right term (its meaning as a logical fallacy is very different to what's described here). Basically in a lot of movies, there's someone who sets up the conflict by acting in a way that no real person would. That's broader than these examples.

actually it is a character archetype. all of these examples (and many, MANY more!) are essentially the "same guy". the proverbial "that guy". they all fill the same role and serve the same purpose in the films they show up in. that purpose being to make stupid decisions and make stupid mandates that force the good guy to work even harder than they should to work around not only the main plot problem but also the manufactured BS of the stereotypical "pencil neck" and all his "red tape".

The term Strawman is an archetype in writing. It's an unwarranted antagonist devised only to stand as opposition the protagonist knocks down, better synchronizing the plot with the conventional writing arc. It's a gross adaptation of the fallacy due to how frequently one-dimensional and contrived strawman arguments can be.

I've found the people who need to clarify "logical fallacies" tend to be "literal sex offenders who masturbate in public in front of non-consenting bystanders" who can't see the larger argument being put forth and also need a "fucking boot to the face, breaking their nose and causing permanent neurological damage and disfigurement"

The Chief...happens to like having Editors in him (or her). So many are required.

When I first heard the term Straw Man I assumed it referred to that film referencing the absurd picture it tries to paint of Pagan rituals.

Blue Allen i love this

I am not a Penguin it's the narrow minds confusing pagan beliefs with Cultists.

@Laverne Blaszczyk No, that's the Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz.

Doesn't count

pyrotheevilplatypus ...wonder if that was a course at Trump University...seems legit...

Perhaps not in a universe where ghosts are objectively real though.

www.bircham.edu/parapsychology.html I found at least one school who offers it that appears to be accredited. But that doesn't make any difference. Peter's credentials aren't the issue here. Peck acted nothing like any government inspector would act. He would come in with a court order to search the premises and with people who were actual scientists who could determine if chemicals or devices found there represented a danger to the general public. He wouldn't come in and demand to look around without any legal right to do so. And he certainly wouldn't come back later with a guy from the electric company and start messing with equipment he knew nothing about. That would be completely insane. If he was right about it being dangerous, that would be all the more reason to have someone qualified to examine it before you do anything. So Peck fits the definition of a straw man because he's a completely unrealistic character whose only purpose is to move the plot along. A guy like that would never exist in real life. On the other hand, a smart ass getting mad at government inspectors wanting to search his business without any legitimate authority to do so is pretty realistic. I would definitely expect a person like Peter to behave the way he did.

@mikelesbob I wonder if you people can go 5 minutes without obsessing over Trump. Like, what does he have to do with anything here? I’ve met people on both sides, and his supporters don’t even have that big a hard on for him compared to his haters.

@@alexman378 That's absolutely true. Many people I know were part of the anyone but Hillary crowd. And then after he was elected, they liked some of things he was doing and started to warm up to him a bit. But I have never met any rabid Trump supporters. Just people who liked him better than his opponent. And that is what voting in real life is about. Picking the better of two candidates. It's not about having some love affair with the person.

For being right. The Ghostbusters should have had inspections and vetted use of highly dangerous materials and weapons. Unstable nuclear reactors on the streets....no problem, IS NOT how anything should work.

Blue Diesel Hey! Look at me...Look at me. I AM THE STRAWMAN, NOW.

How has Cracked ever made a strawman?

I bet if I look through your posting record, I will find you calling people SJWs as an insult. Am I right?

Chuck Steak So now they're SJWs too? Neato, I'm sure if this is so chronic you can provide examples for a little moron such as myself?

Kids kids... You're ALL straw men!! :) And morons.

They strangled the cat? Oh my god what the heck

Yeah, I thik the comment was more on what he did say which was he was not sending his cops in for their money. It was suppose to be that the guy was against 'corrupt' wallstreet. But realistically in that universe Gotham is kinda seen as equally powerful as New York so the stock exchange would have devastating effects on world wide economies.

Truth

Shariq Torres the supreme court basically agrees (why cops won't help tou when you getting stabbed)

lol you drink the cool aid that the media hate the police. Idiot. Without the police there can be no welfare state or gun control.

Isidório Neto very true but when the STOCK EXCHANGR which handles the nation's money (digital duh) is targeted the money isn't "their" money it's everyone's. Remember that thing called the great depression? Everyone's money. So yeah, uneducated cop is straw man.

All the Ramen on the Sky the first guys arguments seem to be. "I got Shriners!!" "You think you're hot shit"...McClane-"uhhh ive done nothing to indicate that."

All the Ramen on the Sky A straw man argument is when you use some unrelated, possibly imaginary person or situation and attack that. For example: "Gay people should be allowed to get married." "Yes but then when a guy wants to marry his dog or toaster we have to allow that!" So I'd say these movie characters are straw men--not realistic--who stand in for something or someone, uh, better, contriving drama not earned by the story.

+pleplero I see.

Your name is amazing and we're not getting a season 2. :(

There is definitely overlap in the description of logical fallacies. I would say that the one you are describing sounds more like the "slippery slope fallacy". Straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent your opponent's argument in a way that you can easily defeat it. Tony and Fred are running for office. Tony urges the citizens to become educated on the issues so they can vote wisely thus assuring a healthy democracy. Fred charges that Tony wants to bring back Jim Crow laws by subjecting voters to literacy tests as a condition to be allowed to vote, thus inferring that he is a racist.

True but it's complete horse shit! Lol makes zero sense to me isn't there motto to protect and serve

Right, I know the case you're referring to, but there are plenty of things they are required to do. The law has a little more nuance than "cops ain't gotta do shit."

Remember when Kevin Sorbo was Hercules and not an angry bible-thumper pretending to be an angry atheist? Good times. I don't know what the fuck happened to him but I'm going to presume it was somehow the Internet's fault.

Remember when Ryan Gosling was Young Hercules and not a highly successful actor? Sometimes I like to think when a successful actor and a rising actor cross paths, and the successful one starts to fade and the rising one becomes famous, if not more than the actor ever was, they stole their essence, like some kind of Hollywood Voodoo.

Literally any character not christian in a modern religious themed film.

I'm a practicing Christian & had to watch that at church & it was the most painful movie I've ever had to sit through. Keep in mind I've also watched every episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

buffypython The most painful movie I watched at church was The English Patient. BORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGG!!!!!!

Windwalker88 GASP! Think of the children!

weirdo

Windwalker88 Don't you feel grown up using language that other people find offensive? No wait, that's the opposite of mature.

Kat Kattington so still saying those words but censoring them is mature? Nah, everyone still knows what word they used, only now they hear that word in their head

Windwalker88 exactly. it's just words. getting offended is the only thing that gives it power. sure, sometimes language needs to be respectful, but that isn't all the time and is a way to show positive things like comradery, and negative things like grief or anger

Peter Anckorn But not Catweazel though 👍

Also, there are plenty of other airports they could have diverted all the planes to and there goes the terrorist plot.

Mcdonald's doesn't have cooks.

Except "based on a true story" is not the same as "is a true story", the shark probably didn't kill those many people, and probably wasn't that big or smart, that and sharks rarely attack humans.

igor caique Google New Jersey 1916 shark attacks it was mostly based of that.

Since you asked for examples though. The most well known is how we say water as wood-er.

Yeah, it sounded more like a butchered Australian accent

lol i cringed so hard

I guess you didn't realize he was making fun of it.

As a Philly native for 48 yrs, Shit all my family started in Fishtown , I agree that was real bad. Sounded like Baston ta me.

MP yeah you go ahead and get yourself a PHD

That film is perfection.

More straw men...

Shades Not at all. It's called observation.

Observation of shit you can't prove? That's called making assumptions. Which is pretty much the basis of straw man argumentation.

Shades Lol. What can I not "prove"? The Existence of Trump or climate change?

Karl Karlos NJ closes beaches on a regular basis for medical waste, sharks, jellyfish and bacteria, so yes. It is far fetched

Maybe he has mad editing skillz

Not great at videos ≠ not great at being editor in chief