Its interesting to compare the actors of today to those of previous generations. Why do they look so... different? Was it a different culture, different lifestyles or different experiences that shaped them?
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@jiminverness3 ай бұрын
Pedro Pascal as a tough, rugged survivalist is about as convincing as Tom Cruise playing 6'5 walking tank Jack Reacher.
@Rinavani3 ай бұрын
Exactly. Pedro screams beta cuck
@brockdavid3 ай бұрын
For “The Last of Us” they should have cast Dylan McDermott, he actually looks like Joel, and has considerably more impressive acting chops than Pedro.
@MaryRohwer3 ай бұрын
Tom Cruise is more believable as a character who was former military, especially army. The focus of training for army is endurance, not brute strength.
@bigfoot1633 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 FACTS
@Rinavani3 ай бұрын
@@MaryRohwer Cruise did a great job in that movie. I think what’s he is referring to is that Reacher is 6’5” in the book. Cruise is like 5’8”.
@YeTism3 ай бұрын
From Clint Eastwood and Arnold Schwarzenegger to Tom Holland and Timothtee Chalamet
@Mickey-19943 ай бұрын
Peter Parker/Spider-Man was always a skinny nerd. Paul from Dune is a teenager.
@meatpuppet50363 ай бұрын
Appealing to men vs appealing to women
@meatpuppet50363 ай бұрын
@@Mickey-1994 Fair but they also tried Holland as Nathan Drake
@carried91303 ай бұрын
I must be a very weird woman, I don't find Holland or Chalamet appealing at all. I'm between the age groups of the 2 different categories- perhaps I'm too old to appreciate men like that. 🤷🏻♀️ But even as a young girl, l didn't find guys like that appealing. I like masculine men. I don't mean I only admire men that are built-far from it. It's about the energy. It cannot be faked and all masculinity is not toxic- I'm tired of men getting that effing label.
@Wustenfuchs1093 ай бұрын
They play completely different characters, which were always different. Spiderman was always played by someone like Tom Holland, and never like someone like Clint Eastwood or Arnold. Chalamet playet characters that fit his role too. We didn't go from one to another, we always had "Hollands and Chalamets", and we always had "Eastwoods and Schwarzeneggers". Your comment makes no sense.
@doublep19803 ай бұрын
Many of these old school Hollywood male film stars lived a hard live, before becoming famous. Charles Bronson grew up dirt poor and worked in a coal mine, to support his family and then went to the US Air Force during WWII and served as a bomber plane machine gunner. Lee Marvin was a decorated Marine in the Pacific War, who got wounded in combat and it took him almost a year to fully recover and learn how to walk again. Tony Curtis also grew up dirt poor and was even put in an orphanage for some time with his brother, because his family couldn't feed them. He later joined the US Navy and served on a submarine in the Pacific War. Sir Michael Caine served in the Korean War, as an Infantry soldier. These are just some examples from the top of my head, many more of these old school Hollywood ''leading men'' had similar life stories.
@rider2753 ай бұрын
I read the other the day the Donald Pleasence was a radio operator on a Lancaster bomber. He spent time in a German POW camp after being shot down. This is before his role in the 'Great Escape'.
@reubensandwich92492 ай бұрын
Jack Palance worked in a coal mine, boxed, burned in a plane crash.
@zacharylewis28022 ай бұрын
Mel Brooks’s job during WW2 was combat engineer; he was defusing land mines during the Battle of the Bulge and constructing bridges over the Rhine for the Allies to cross.
@christophertaylor91002 ай бұрын
Exactly, they had done it, so they could portray it, and more they seemed stronger and more capable, more plausible in the roles they played without even saying a word or doing anything. Can you really say that about Chris Pratt or Leo DiCaprio? Tom Cruise or Michael Fassbender?
@Red-zh7vq2 ай бұрын
Sir Christopher Lee is undefeated
@KiwiHavok7773 ай бұрын
The Hollywood “tough guy” got replaced by the female “tough guy”😆
@RonCondon2 ай бұрын
Lol, boy the financials reflect that big time at the box office....
@armondtanz2 ай бұрын
Well when u got girl boss you cant have a tough roughed chisel chin character. It looks odd. So here we are. We sit and watch total mishmash of a world that doesnt exist and to prob 70% of men just looks forced and cringe.
@jayb27052 ай бұрын
The Last of Us Season 2 will give us the final form of the new female "tough guy"
@eide992 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, they're trying to push regular females as those female tough guys.
@denkerbosu35512 ай бұрын
@@eide99 that's old news, I remember Nathan Drake getting beat down by a black woman half his weight with a giant afro. Trash. Then we got Abbyzilla, the new whaman.
@Scoley013 ай бұрын
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
@gianthand81303 ай бұрын
I’m certainly seeing this.
@shadowwarrior72183 ай бұрын
We are in the time of Weak Men
@classreductionist3 ай бұрын
@@shadowwarrior7218 No we are in hard times. The time of weak men preceded this time.
@ephraimwinslow3 ай бұрын
@@classreductionist Correct. This is the part where people get forced to man up, and you start to notice guys with balls saying the word "NO" with their whole chest for a change.
@marketer234563 ай бұрын
It seems human beings are doomed to repeat this over and over again.
@LazarheaD3 ай бұрын
When I hear "Duke Nukem is an outdated character" from most gamers, my soul cries.
@briansimerl40143 ай бұрын
Hollywood will NEVER make that movie now.
@tanimal39643 ай бұрын
Anyone who says that can 'blow it out your ass'
@ephraimwinslow3 ай бұрын
And it's ludicrous because all of the characters Duke Nukem parodies are still considered iconic. You don't get to love Big Trouble in Little China, First Blood, Stone Cold, Die Hard, Kung Fury, Army of Darkness, etc. and then pretend Duke Nukem is beneath you. It's like being a self-professed Bond fan who sneers at Austin Powers. (If you like the inspiration? You should *at least* appreciate the joke it inspires.)
@roelven12823 ай бұрын
hail to the king, baby...
@BTM81093 ай бұрын
Duke comes off as lame because the franchise has always been so middling
@INRamos133 ай бұрын
The problem with Pedro Pascal is twofold: first, saturation. He's just fucking EVERYWHERE. And second, he's not trying as hard anymore. He chewed the scenery in Game of Thrones because he realized that was his opportunity. After that, every role he's done, he's put a little bit less effort than the last.
@993mike3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Pascal is soft and doughy - not exactly an actor who’s believably tough like Josh Brolin who would have been great as Joel.
@chet19213 ай бұрын
I got sick of Pedro from that damn meme with him eating that sandwich or cracker, also that scene from the movie with Nicholas Cage.
@lawrencetalbot83463 ай бұрын
Same reason I can’t take Oscar Isaac seriously. Everyone claims he’s this phenomenal actor. But I thought he was horrendous in the Star Wars sequels, clearly phoning it in the more the movies went on. From then on he got put in so many things like freaking Moon Knight where he seemed bored at times
@chet19213 ай бұрын
@@lawrencetalbot8346 Oscar was a joke in Star Wars. He was a joke. The only other movie I saw him in was ‘Sucker Punch’, and believe it or not I enjoyed it.
@RambleOn073 ай бұрын
@@chet1921 funny enough that Nic Cage movie was his best and most memorable performance for me.
@andret37393 ай бұрын
I recently watched the Dirty Harry movies for the first time, they are simple but they are entertaining, dont waste your time, tell a decent story and are COOL. It really sucks that movies like that dont get made anymore.
@riggs583 ай бұрын
well, you can blame the new generation of movie goers and their crys of "toxic-masculinity."
@stephenenglish22112 ай бұрын
One of the things that made Dirty Harry awesome in the first movie was that John Milius helped craft a lot of his lines. That's one of the biggest problems with Hollywood now...horrifically bad writing.
@Magneticlaw2 ай бұрын
The pendulum will swing back.....it always does
@robertbeisert33152 ай бұрын
@@riggs58"movie goers"
@Jayskiallthewayski2 ай бұрын
It was shot really lean but there's this really nasty '70's atmosphere in the first Dirty Harry that you just don't see anymore and when it came out all hell broke loose. Don't dismiss it as simple, it's a milestone.
@Liam3019873 ай бұрын
Pascal wasn't intimidating at all in game of thrones until he showed his skill with weapons. The point is old school men in action roles looked intimidating/imposing before they did anything. He doesn't.
@mystuff99993 ай бұрын
And that’s a bad thing exactly why?
@anon174723 ай бұрын
It was kind of the point, though
@kingcosworth26433 ай бұрын
@@mystuff9999 Because it means they look more feminine. It means something is up in our society because the biology of men is regressing.
@dcscreenworks3 ай бұрын
@@mystuff9999He's not saying its a bad thing, just that it doesn't represent old school tough guy embodiment. Oberyn was a bisexual pretty boy Prince who only proves himself a tough guy through his actions.
@SavageDawgJoshua3 ай бұрын
Oberyn was perfect. Nonchalant and "meh" until he stands against the mountain, where he shreds his enemy with confidence, skill and rage.... Until his huberus gets in the way.
@stevenperrell72173 ай бұрын
The Duke, Eastwood, and Henry Fonda are treasures of a bygone era.
@ItsaKindOfMagic863 ай бұрын
We could use a revival of that era.
@Joshua_Froschauer3 ай бұрын
Henry Fonda was a red.
@Jonas-lj8ul3 ай бұрын
Jack Palance was another one of the greats. Lousy horseman, but nobody's perfect....
@leemonsampson18443 ай бұрын
My favorite all time actor is Clark Gable, once called the King of Hollywood
@06dking3 ай бұрын
All 3 are extremely overrated
@1bottlejackdaniels3 ай бұрын
Charlton Heston, Kirk Douglas, Burt Lancaster, Richard Widmark, Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, James Coburn, Charles Bronson, Sidney Poitier, Lee Marvin... oldschool Hollywood is still the best!
@Joshua_Froschauer3 ай бұрын
Chuck H is one of GOATs
@ramanasai61503 ай бұрын
Gregory peck was great as well
@pavelowjohn91673 ай бұрын
A very large chunk of the old school actors were veterans of WWII or Korea, sometimes both. James Arness had his signature limp in "Gunsmoke" because he almost lost a leg in the Italian campaign in WWII). Jimmy Stewart flew a bunch of B-24 Liberator bombing missions in that same conflict and you can sense that experience in both men, even if you knew nothing about their backgrounds. The only modern actor with a military background I can think of is Adam Driver. There may be more, but he's the only one....
@Omo-ragnolo963 ай бұрын
@@pavelowjohn9167 Adam driver is ugly
@zacharymcmillan27883 ай бұрын
Robert Vaughn,Robert Mitchum,Cliff Robertson,the list goes on but all with one thing in common - they're MEN.
@CavTanker883 ай бұрын
Platoon needs to reflect on the phrase “It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener in a war". There will always be a pace and a need for the men who are willing to fight. And have they already forgotten the wars in the last 30 years that have shaped many men?
@jongreen91713 ай бұрын
Samwise Gamgee doesn't like this comment
@SubZero-hs9xc2 ай бұрын
You guys can onoy talk by make up phrases
@seancondon1463 ай бұрын
Clint Eastwood was 3 years younger making Dirty Harry than Ryan gosling when he made barbie.nuff said 😂
@chet19213 ай бұрын
😮😮😮
@Mickey-19943 ай бұрын
They had pretty boy actors in the 70s like Robert Redford.
@seancondon1463 ай бұрын
@@Mickey-1994 yeah but Newman was still cooler and prettier than Redford
@MrLulzbot2 ай бұрын
People ignore the effect rampant tobacco use had on how people looked in the past. When people started smoking in their early teens it added to the effects of aging, along with the effect what we consider old fashioned hair and clothing styles in old photos that makes us precieve people as older than they really were.
@Art-is-craft2 ай бұрын
While Ryan Gosling looks you he still has screen presence. It does not work when he plays hard men.
@chrisferatu17933 ай бұрын
Pedro Pascal in GoT just played a slightly grittier version of Inigo Montoya from Princess Bride; “Hello. My name is Oberyn Martell. You killed my sister. Prepare to die.”
@Hopium5002 ай бұрын
The difference with that role is we had barely seen any roles from Pedro at that point and his character was genuinely awesome.
@cmillspa12 ай бұрын
And The Mountain was like, “No u.”
@EricZAchille2 ай бұрын
Pedro Pascal is 50 and still can't grow a full beard. Tells a lot about his level of testosterone and masculinity.
@cmillspa12 ай бұрын
@@EricZAchille Wat? Some of the biggest pussies I’ve met in life had full on Gandalf beards. I don’t think that’s how you should be gauging masculinity…
@bibaolaitan51892 ай бұрын
@@EricZAchillelol what. Why are you so bitter
@seldomseensmith46843 ай бұрын
As someone who grew up in the 60's & 70's I can tell you the difference: 1) Boys were ALWAYS outside. I was given 'chores' and expected to have them done - weeding the garden, feeding the horses, chickens, mowing the lawn etc. and never used sun screen, lotion etc still don't. 2) I started working when I was 10 at my elementary school and started mowing lawns for pay when I was 13. By 16 I'd saved enough to buy my first car but had to make enough to pay for the insurance. 3) When I wasn't doing chores or working I hung out with my friends playing baseball or catch, basketball, 2 or 3 on 3 football or just throwing the ball around, hiking, bike riding etc. Was life harder? Not really, the difference is that we were expected to contribute to the household and were given responsibilities to make sure that happened. That doesn't seem to be the case as much now a days.
@SpaceshipRocketFuel3 ай бұрын
Alan Ritchson as Reacher is one modern casting tha works. And as a character he's big, strong, violent when needed and lives a simple, minimalist life. No gaudiness or pretentiousness, a sense of stocism doing the right thing. It just happens to bring out brutal violence :)
@ItsaKindOfMagic863 ай бұрын
in real life he is just another hollywood nitwit
@RonCondon2 ай бұрын
And he had to open his big mouth on politics....I'm done with that show, liked it too.....
@WeirdLankovich2 ай бұрын
He’s probably suffering from the bad of the ‘humiliation ritual’ that Hollywood used on people who don’t agreed their ideologies.
@SpaceshipRocketFuel2 ай бұрын
@RonCondon Personalty I couldn't care less, regardless of who they side with. Not worth the waste of emotion. I read / listen / watch artists and performers from across the polticial spectrum. As long as their politics at the door when creating their output, they can endorse or vote for whoever they want.
@WeirdLankovich2 ай бұрын
@@RonCondon He must be having the bad case of the 'humiliation ritual' that Hollywood did to people who disagrees their ideology. Also, I think KZfaq just deleted my comment just to censor me and shit.
@leroybenins93923 ай бұрын
My response for Mauler on Pedro Pascal being masculine as Oberyn Martell, is that Oberyn acts effeminate and flamboyant the whole time he is in King's Landing. He dresses casually and revealing, and he boasts about the hedonistic wonders of foreign lands to subtly jab at his counterparts. But, he is also a sword master and an aggressive killer. These traits make him intimidating, and he hides that part of himself until he needs to be that. Those is a masculine trait mixed with his flamboyancy and effiminate qualities. So in a way, he is more like the men in King's Landing than even he would like to admit. Since most of the men are killers as well. All in all, he is a Game of Thrones version of Cunningham from Rob Roy who came off as effeminate in contrast to Liam Neeson's rugged Rob. However, he had the sword skills and intelligence which made in extremely intimidating like Oberyn. I believe Mauler is too taken up with Oberyn's killing prowess and forgets all of his other traits that, unless it is all an act, show an effeminate and flamboyant man who is also a hot blooded fighter and killer.
@chopperj0072 ай бұрын
I agree, Mauler is wrong there and completely misinterprets the character. It makes me question his knowledge about other things now.
@christophertaylor91002 ай бұрын
@@chopperj007 Ditto with Platoon but I think I know why he likes Pedro so much
@alexcleland44112 ай бұрын
I agree, id say Oberyn was very dangerous, ruthless and skilled, but not masculine. He reminded me alot of Zhange He in the old Dynasty Warriors games ALOT :D
@mrdropkicker12 ай бұрын
Saying Oberyn Martell isn’t “flamboyant,” just because he’s a fighter is like saying Ramirez from Highlander isn’t flamboyant because he’s good with a sword… He’s clearly flamboyant and everyone in the show/movie acknowledges it
@Zerobob263 ай бұрын
I've enjoyed the recent disagreements between The Drinker and Mauler. They both make good points, and it demonstrates this isn't an echo chamber, and that views are challenged... Respectfully and intelligently.
@tarrickmerdev23243 ай бұрын
I think this was less of a disagreement and more of a misunderstanding on MauLer's part of what Drinker meant by flamboyant. Oberyn absolutely was flamboyant. That was his character. That doesn't mean he was a sissy or anything like that which seems to be how MauLer interpreted it. He was flashy and a showman. From Merriam-Webster: "marked by or given to strikingly elaborate or colorful display or behavior". This absolutely describes Oberyn Martell from the show.
@Melted_Butter3 ай бұрын
Can’t wait till they invite Chris Stuckman on. 🥊
@eddobh3 ай бұрын
Well, this is how fans used to discuss thing back until some years ago. And, of course, sometimes discussions got heated, because fans are passioned about what they like. The problem is the recent new "fans" that can't stand someone disagreeing with them, that resort to name calling and attempts of ostracization of their opponents in debate.
@timeracer1233 ай бұрын
I think part of the problem is the more well-known the actor is does not equate to a good performance. People get cast because they are popular not necessarily if they are right for the role.
@DeAngryDan3 ай бұрын
Only drinker always backs down to the smug prick
@JckSwan3 ай бұрын
They were also all chain smokers. Humphrey Bogart was in his 30s/40s during the height of his fame, he looked about 70.
@illswitch863 ай бұрын
This is 100% the biggest factor.
@zacharymcmillan27883 ай бұрын
Yeah but Bogey was known to be a heavy smoker and drinker, and until he settled down with Bacall was a notorious hellraiser;he was booted out of the Navy for numerous infractions as well as brawling. Bogey lived a rough life though,his first wife;Mayo Methot,was also a notorious drinker and brawler,and she died before he did I think.
@thegreatbloviator68173 ай бұрын
ya-- I think smoking is the major cause, people in the 50s-70s didn't really live much physically harder lives than we do today
@meatpuppet50363 ай бұрын
Uv exposure and smoking - it was never a secret. Its just that people like selling you the idea of a moisturiser undoing damage.
@LunaticGunstar3 ай бұрын
This is the big one I think. Way more people smoked and even if you didn't you probably lived with someone who did and were still constantly exposed to it in restaurants, bars, movie theaters etc.
@danielkeizer41743 ай бұрын
6:57 He was flamboyant. Dancing and prancing around showing off. He wanted an admittance of guilt from a towering psychopath and toyed around with a dangerous opponent he could've bested only because he was the more agile and fast fighter. (Wich are not per se masculine traits). And in the end lost due to arrogance and underestimating his opponent who ends up maiming and killed him because he prioritized demanding an apology..wich he got while getting his eyes poked in and skull crushed.... plus he poisoned his opponent...poison being the weapon of choice for....
@tla_studios3 ай бұрын
I compared him to have strong but feline characteristics. We was a sleek mountain lion; where the brother were aptly named the Mountain and Hound. So while a dangerous character, he wasn't Stallone or Arnold in their prime (without going back to the other legends of film)
@danielkeizer41743 ай бұрын
@@tla_studios and felines are usually associated with....fe-male, fe-lines... saying about a guy "he's a huge pussycat" isn't a compliment... although it's exactly what I associate with Pedro Pascal....a huge pussy...
@danielkeizer41743 ай бұрын
@@tla_studios fe-male, fe-lines same thing. He's a real pussycat alright...not quite the compliment...though fitting for Pedro Pascal.
@zacharymcmillan27883 ай бұрын
...a woman? 🤨
@danielkeizer41743 ай бұрын
@@tla_studios I thought he was named a viper...you know a snake of the venomous kind... using poison and slithering around...
@pbibbles3 ай бұрын
An Englishman, an Irishman, and a Scot walk into a bar... Just kidding, they couldn't walk; they had to be carried. I love seeing the Despot on the show!
@jiminverness3 ай бұрын
They walk in. They have to be carried out.
@thejoshandcharles13 ай бұрын
And the Welshman stayed home. With his sheep 😈
@julianlord53663 ай бұрын
An Englishman, an Irishman, and a Scot walk into a bar... The Englishman, Irishman, and Scot wake up with raging headaches in the gutter next to the Russian, the Finn, and a drunken hog.
@RonCondon2 ай бұрын
Baggage claim is awesome, drinker get Jonny Law back on, he was probably a bit tentative, probably nervous, and cast him with Despot, Disparu, and Baggage. Enough of Gary for crying out loud. He is becoming insufferable after his 1m subs. Not that he doesn't deserve it. He is simply over exposed....also Jonny, Despot etc. just have better takes, they are still climbing the ladder. Anyway my 2 cents...Gary is now a proud Texan, and good for him. Others deserve more exposure....and you can do that. Think about this way, how powerful can we become if the guests I just suggest, increase their subs.....also some of the best content I have heard from you was with doomcock! What happened to that correspondence? You two are great together, hope it's not politics....So your humble bar tender will wait and see, and if you ever come to Austin, I'll make you a drink that will put your dick in the dirt! Look what happened to Platoon, his rise is attributed with your show. Anyway my faves are Disparu Jonny Law Despot George the GS Gundam...dude is crazy Baggage Echo Yellow Flash Doomcock Valient WDW pro Platoon Film Rant Robot Cristy Benny Etc. Least favorite Gary, for reasons I described Az , man he is cool but good grief. Endimion, interrupts Chato, dude is just weird. Has good takes though.... Any way respect to you and ALL of the content creators ....
@travismcnasty42393 ай бұрын
It's very refreshing to hear people politely disagree.
@1999fxdx3 ай бұрын
My dad was a B24 pilot, flew his first combat mission at 20 years old. What do you expect?
@ephraimwinslow3 ай бұрын
The phrase "puts hair on your chest" is surprisingly literal. I aged more in 2 years of working customer service in bad neighborhoods than I did over the course of my entire formal education. Liaising with detectives and seeing fresh cadavers will do that to ya.
@dbsommers13 ай бұрын
@@ephraimwinslowseeing chalk outlines on the walk home from work on a regular basis throws you. But hey, Baltimore.
@jakublulek32612 ай бұрын
I am from a military family and the only man who was behaving like a "tough guy" was my mothernal great-grandfather, who got his leg blown off in a training accident on HMS Malaya, before WWII. Because of that, he spent the whole war as a clerk in India, frustrated he cannot serve. And he was the stereotypical, bitter, grumbly war veteran. Paternal great-grandfather, who fought with Polish Legion in WWII and with British Army in Korea and Malaya Emergency, was the mildest, most polite and all-round amazing guy. For somebody who lost his mother and 2 older sisters in Holocaust and whose first wife (my great-grandmother) was tortured to death by Czech communists in 1950, and who killed people since he was 22, that is still my manly ideal. Both grandfathers served in Falklands (but not in direct combat) and my father served in Desert Storm with 1st Armoured Division. And you can still argue it's my mom, who wears trousers at home. I knew and know a lot of hard military men, who were and are teddy bears at home and you would never suspect they lived lives they lived. Maybe because of UK culture which doesn't really glorify military conduct? But I also saw older soldiers pretty much keeping a tight lid on their work and not talking about it or brag about it. Even younger ones don't really do that, hell, my father was for a long time unwiling to talk about his experience in Gulf. And it's not like PTSD, it was something he left "over there" and not brought up home. He considers it as a service to his country, which is matter of course, not something to brag about.
@Hereticalable2 ай бұрын
Alexander the Great, leading from the front and suffering repeated injuries conquered much his known world before he was 30. Today we have men in their physical prime who are obese and popping pills for mental health just to get through another day in a society where even our poorest have access to foods and medicines medieval kings would have dreamed of. But if anyone mentions dysgenics they are dismissed. Everything's just fine. And the women - let's compare our great grandmothers who didn't have microwaves, washing machines, modern hair products, wore whalebone corsets and had litters of children and who were 'trapped' at home caring for the family while father got black lung in the coal mines. Meanwhile their great grand daughters tell us they are oppressed if they have to wear a dress for a paid job in an aiconditioned environment, or when their Uber eats delivery is late. We're pathetic and ugly now - and that is why we are losing our civillisation.
@rog67252 ай бұрын
more out of you, apparently! /s Respect to Pa
@RambleOn073 ай бұрын
Mauler tried to argue Pedro wasn't horribly miscast as Joel and then justifies it by arguing how movie and game Joel are entirely different characters. I think he should've thought about that a bit more and realized that he just argued that Pedro was such a miscast that it made Joel an unrecognizable character between the two mediums.
@Xeabii2 ай бұрын
Show and game Joel are different versions of the same character. Show Joel is much more of an exposed nerve who is openly affected by his trauma, especially when compared to his colder counterpart. I believe Mauler was arguing that comparing how Pascal represented Joel's character to how Joel is presented in the game isn't a good idea fundamentally because the show was never trying to copy game Joel in the first place. It used him as a template but the show had their own interpretation of the character from the start. It wasn't Pascal's casting that led to Joel being less hardened necessarily, the character was simply less hardened to begin with.
@tjjordan42072 ай бұрын
I could be wrong, but it sounded more like Mauler was trying to say that Pedro wasn't the worst miscast as there could have been far worse choices for the character. Personally, Pedro was just simply an incorrect choice, similar to how I view Cuba Gooding Jr being the incorrect choice for OJ Simpson in the FX drama series.
@RambleOn072 ай бұрын
@@tjjordan4207 that's a terrible argument though, it's an attempt to defend the casting by going to the absurd. Under such term, a bad casting is impossible because it can always be worse.
@Gwopo3162 ай бұрын
And that’s why so many ppl I talk to disliked the show version of Joel cuz they made him. Total bitch old and decrepit that couldn’t even fight off a teenager with a knife in the beginning they made it out like omg Joel is scary Robert’s terrified of him only to show us he can’t handle himself at all and he does nothing but cry to his brother n the dude can’t even hear ur telling me everyone in the shows firing guns and are fine but Joel’s magically deaf cmon it was just them making him more of a bitch so game fans didn’t get their alpha male savage from the game cuz we’re not allowed to have that now a days
@Blu3-Fir32 ай бұрын
I knew the moment Drinker mentioned The Last of Us show, MauLer would jump to defend it.
@mikeat26372 ай бұрын
To me personally, I see Viggo Mortenson as the perfect Joel after I saw him in The Road. I think he has an easier time adapting to and taking hold of a role than Pedro Pascal does. And he is more a "Hollywood Tough Guy" than pretty much anyone else out there. All you have to do is watch A History of Violence, Eastern Promises, The Road, Lord of the Rings and most of his other films.
@peteschaub75612 ай бұрын
Yes but unfortunately he's also white so 🤷♂️ what can Hollywood do? White men can only be villains or cowards.
@anthonymoloney36712 ай бұрын
Viggo also played The Devil / Lucifer in "The Prophecy". It was a small role, but he played it well. Very guttural and intense.
@马k3 ай бұрын
The previous generation of leading men in the 40's-90's Hollywood served in the military, saw conflict(s) or had experienced life's harsh realities, which left emotional and physical scars. Perhaps acting was an outlet for them to release all the pent up feelings and horrors they saw. Hollywood legends like Jimmy Stewart, Tyrone Power, Lee Marvin, Eddie Albert, James Garner, R L Ermey, Henry Fonda and Audie Murphy had put their "emotions" behind their movie character roles giving cinema a deeper look into character development and expressing emotions that other actors may not capture who had not served in the military, traveled the world, worked with their hands, or experienced life's adventures and turmoils. We can only hope Hollywood will find young men who typify the past generation of actors who challenged themselves and conquer their fears and mode their characters. As Always great topic and enjoy listening to the content. Cheers.
@HansMuneEnBy2 ай бұрын
So real men have PTSD and homicidal tendencies... gotcha.
@majdjinn50423 ай бұрын
...what is mauler talking about? Drinker perfectly described his role in Game of Thrones. He was flamboyant, he was a hedonist. Thst doesn't mean he cant be intimidating. He literally was flamboyant, he was literally doing a fucking Vega trying to savor his kill.
@jischneider3 ай бұрын
Mauler doesn't have the best opinions most of the time. He is always over complaining. It's just the opposite spectrum of the woke mob. A little less toxic, yes. But I don't like extremes. A shame Drinker went with him.
@harlannguyen40483 ай бұрын
We shouldn't be surprised, given his opinions on GOW Ragnarok.
@DeAngryDan3 ай бұрын
Drinker needs to grow a backbone and just tell him no ..I don't agree with your take it's wrong..how many times have I heard drinker make a great point and backtrack straight away when that guy throws a tantrum,his takes with this last of us TV show and god of war and so much else is stupid,but that's okay.. what isn't ok is drinker constantly backing down to him@@jischneider
@jischneider3 ай бұрын
Agree guys. Maybe he will read these comments and start considering it.
@mstrofunloking77363 ай бұрын
Mauler has been a real bitch since GOW Ragnarok came out
@gladiatorscoops49073 ай бұрын
Tom Hardy, Jason Statham, Daniel Craig, Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavill, Gerard Butler, Karl Urban, Alan Ritchson, Arnie, Stallone some hollywood chaps with masculine chops.
@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas3 ай бұрын
Alan Ritchson is no "Tough Guy". He is a Woke Leftist with severe TDS. He just plays pretend.
@juliovictormanuelschaeffer83703 ай бұрын
And the guy from Amazon's Reacher.
@lastrexxii75093 ай бұрын
Exactly. Also Glen Powell
@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas3 ай бұрын
Alan Ritchson is no "Tough Guy". He is a Woke Leftist with severe TDS.
@gregvanpaassen3 ай бұрын
Jason Momoa. So masculine he has to be dialed down to 1 in his movies.
@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas3 ай бұрын
When I was a kid, my Hero was Lee Majors as Steve Austin (The Six Million Dollar Man) Today a kids Hero is Dylan Mulvaney as a Woman
@skylx08123 ай бұрын
Majors was a college baseball player when he was discovered by Rock Hudson. Hudson had Majors and his wife go to LA and got him well connected and on his way. Hudson discovered a lot of athletes and sent them to Hollywood. In the 80s when Hudson got AIDS Majors claimed he never knew him.
@projektkobra22473 ай бұрын
I dont know to whom Dylan is a hero to....
@bruhfvdf31453 ай бұрын
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
@chet19213 ай бұрын
Dylan is no one’s hero. Wtf you saying.
@kingcosworth26433 ай бұрын
We have the technology
@DaBat1253 ай бұрын
My wife asked me about a year ago who would l look up to as a positive influence in masculinity. I paused and couldn’t think of anyone. She then said, Keanu Reeves? I paused and thought, that’s it. In today’s society, I believe Keanu Reeves is the best example of a prominent celebrity who embodies the positives of masculinity. Stoic, humble, empathetic, and self secure.
@Blindluck922 ай бұрын
Honestly yeah. That's it. Keanu Reeves.
@jayb27052 ай бұрын
Everyone who meets Keanu in real life says he's the nicest genuine guy, I'm glad he got this second wind in his career with John Wick
@MylesKillis2 ай бұрын
Yeah except he’s not even remotely assertive in real life. His characters are though
@vladpiranha3 ай бұрын
Tough guys > girl bosses.
@meatpuppet50363 ай бұрын
tough guys are rooted in a real phenomenon, girl bosses are pure wishful thinking
@sianais2 ай бұрын
Ironically, badass chick is still popular, but we don't get any decent ones anymore. I want another Bride. I want more Selenes. Gimme a Leeloo. I'll even take a Hitgirl (From the first film only, she was cool.) Rebecca Romijn barely spoke in the X-men movies, and her Mistique has been living rent-free in my head since prepubescence. Has there been any female character on the big screen in the age of DEI that's just fking cool? Badass chick was the tough guy equivalent, and they got deleted for the girlboss, aka, a Mary Sue on crack.
@Falconlibrary3 ай бұрын
I'm a huge John Wayne fan, and when he's on screen, I noticed the other actors, both friends and foe, defer to him through body language. That's in all the Duke's roles from the time he was a young star through his "living legend" phase. Even a tough guy like Kirk Douglas shrank a little in the Duke's presence. Same for Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, et al. That's tough guy charisma. And not one single actor today has it.
@kendallrivers11192 ай бұрын
I don't remember if The Duke and Clint Eastwood ever did a film together but could you imagine the gravitas of that film?! Good lord the two ultimate Alpha males going toe to toe on screen could've been legendary.
@TheProtonSpinner3 ай бұрын
Cosmetics has nothing to do with it, we were raised with the expectation to be adults by our late teens back then, and it's reflected in pictures of our younger selves. We looked a lot more like our parents back then, because we aspired to be like our parents. Now everyone has to be an IG waifu, an androgynous person of unknown lineage with increasingly garish tattoos that tries to mask anything that makes them remotely like their parentage, all in an effort to be a "unique" inidividual. Problem is, they all end up looking the same.
@SubZero-hs9xc2 ай бұрын
Bruh
@alboreham3883 ай бұрын
Drinker is 100% right about Pedro Pascal/Joel
@thomash32183 ай бұрын
We have been buying old dvds a lot and watched Princess and the frog on friday. My twelve year old daughter was captivated, we all laughed and we were all moved. A great film. The father in that movie was a great rolemodel who sacrificed for his family, no way that movie would have been made today. So people, get your hold on physical media
@Yousuckdeeznuts3 ай бұрын
Hugh Jackman as Joel Chloe Grace Moretz as Ellie in the last of us would’ve been peanut butter and jelly.
@brockdavid3 ай бұрын
I always think that Dylan McDermott would make an incredible Joel. But, the internet can all almost unanimously agree, Pascal is not rugged or have enough bravado to play Joel.
@edistoorbust3 ай бұрын
Chloe Grace moretz is great except I believe she’s aged out of the role. Tom Hardy should have been Joel.
@MylesKillis2 ай бұрын
@@edistoorbusthe’s too small and too rough
@mr_ozzio50953 ай бұрын
Sean Bean still gets cast, he's probably one the last rugged lead male actors in circulation!
@quatore-58863 ай бұрын
Welcome back Drinker. Really excellent guests! Keep up the good work sir
@chris.hinsley3 ай бұрын
Back in the 70s and 80s we had television shows that were an inspiration for the younger generation. It showed how life could be if we just progressed. Boy we were so wrong you look around today and you wonder where all that hope went.
@ephraimwinslow3 ай бұрын
People only grow when forced. This idea that if you put no pressure on children that they'll just one day grow up by choice is straight-up insanity. It's like expecting a goldfish to regulate their own diet.
@ItsaKindOfMagic863 ай бұрын
Millennials got introduced to the internet, were not protected by the stuff they were exposed to, it ruined them. 51% of millennials are woke. I dont know if the numbers have changed since that study was released a few years back. But millennials being exposed to far out there ideas online and in their schooling, plus peer pressure and conformity, and that is what happened, in a nutshell.
@stevenperrell72173 ай бұрын
Medical Upgrades and the Pussification of every aspect of life....We didnt grow up with World War veterans raising us and taking us to school while smoking in the car with windows rolled up....
@Loathsome_Lynx2 ай бұрын
And why exactly was smoking around children a good thing?
@Tickerchicken2 ай бұрын
I dunno man, me not being a coal miner like my grandad is kinda a fucking good thing, I kinda like being able to breathe properly
@Leavemealonenowplz3 ай бұрын
I don’t disagree with Baggage Claim, but I think the aging thing can also be attributed to the fact that smoking is nowhere near as prevalent, nor is there near as much lead in things e.g. paint, gasoline, etc.
@wxwaxone2 ай бұрын
This.
@Art-is-craft2 ай бұрын
Clint Eastwood never smoked and has lived to his nineties. Michael Caine smoked in his youth and lived into his nineties as did Connery. Smoking has no relevance on this.
@bcatd3 ай бұрын
T levels lower now
@classreductionist3 ай бұрын
This is a more likely explanation. Artificial hormones added to meat is messing with our body chemistry.
@ItsaKindOfMagic863 ай бұрын
Yup, people getting less sunlight, eating processed foods, not getting quality sleep, nor exercise or healthy diet, especially animal protein and healthy fats. I'd imagine too much easy access to vices such as pron, high sugar drinks, sloth lifestyle and processed carbs etc all contributes to a drop in T.
@ManHamAlsume3 ай бұрын
Drinker-High T Mauler-Low T
@DeadlyPlatypus3 ай бұрын
@@ItsaKindOfMagic86 Unprecedented levels of artificial female hormones being introduced into the water...
@marketer234563 ай бұрын
Henry Cavill’s career is all the proof you need.
@SubZero-hs9xc3 ай бұрын
I know thar for you simps is too much to fanthom but is not other fault if it made sh1t career choices
@UltraAge3 ай бұрын
Mauler saying Prince Oberyn wasn’t flamboyant when he was doing triple backflips for the crowd while fighting the mountain 💀
@acerimmer83573 ай бұрын
Many of the older actors and actresses' Betty White, Bea Arthur, Audrey Hepburn, James Stewart, Lee Marvin, Paul Newman, Sir Alec Guinness, and many, many others served during WW2. They understood the value of life and sacrifice, it was this service that made them great. Now its all about self, screw your fellow man, kick them when their down, rewrite history to suit your narrative, your truth matters more than the truth and human life has little to no value. Ask yourself this question: are you leaving the world a better place than you found it or just leaving the mess for those that follow? We are more worried about peoples delusions than actual issues, we have access to more knowledge than at anytime in history and yet are the most ill informed.
@tla_studios3 ай бұрын
Baggage Claim is a treasure....and I feel I'm back at university listening to Platoon. All-star cast as always, Drinker!
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
THIS is why Drinker and Mauler go so well together. Your best mates will call you out when you're wrong.
@krzysztofklimczak82972 ай бұрын
God I feel you, I can't stand Timothy Chalalala cast in EVERY SINGLE new movie looking like he can't lift his arm up
@Dirvance3 ай бұрын
This has been by far my favorite group on open bar! Love the disagreements and deeper discussions y'all are having!! More of this please!!
@codybrooks50163 ай бұрын
Pedro Pascal is who a extreme lib would envision as tough
@Zundfolge3 ай бұрын
Ok I can buy a little bit of the "life was harder and it aged people faster back then" argument, but really only because so many people smoked back then and men generally never moisturized. But the real reason that young people in the past look older in photos is because they're wearing cloths and hair styles that we associate with old people because they didn't change their style when they grew old.
@tla_studios3 ай бұрын
Pascal in GoT was epic - so good that I still can't believe it's the same actor. He WAS tough and intimidating, but in the same way Loki is compared to Thor. He was quick, agile, smart but also well-groomed, fancifully dressed - he was almost feline compared to the Mountain's wolfhound. So there's a point to be made that he could never pull off Ned Stark, Mountain, The Hound, etc.....those are his opposites.
@djdeadbeat43803 ай бұрын
Can’t have a discussion about The Last of Us show without Mauler running unearned defense for it.
@babychuma12 ай бұрын
I recently found a bunch of old albums doing a remodel job in my house. One was my dad in the late 40's, he was born in '29 so too young for ww2 but a HS grad and college student. What struck me was that they dressed like men and women. Some of the pics were of a trip in a '38 Ford from Chicago to Little Rock on vacation. They were late teens and the men wore button down shirts, slacks, ties and nice shoes and the women wore skirts, nice blouses with scarfs on their hair and around their collars. They were adults my dad was in the army and engineering school, and expected to be seen that way. They didn't look old they looked mature.
@leannerose61813 ай бұрын
Keep bringing Baggage Claim back,I love her input!
@ju5t_5ay_n03 ай бұрын
Watch 'Mr Inbetween' for a great male character
@armondtanz2 ай бұрын
Someone was talking about that. Is it any good?
@Jaymes-pn8pw3 ай бұрын
No Platoon. We need more grit. I f*cking HATE weak men more than anything. Like Platoon and Mauler.
@DeAngryDan3 ай бұрын
One Hundred percent agree.. also drinker is a bit of a weak man when it comes to smug Mauler.."oh sorry Mauler I'm so sorry i didn't mean to dislike what you love I take it all back".. needs to stand his ground and just go at it with the dwarf
@user-nj5bd8ly1y3 ай бұрын
Platoon and Mauler are proper weaklings.
@highrepublic32643 ай бұрын
at least we have john wick
@Cherry-ou6qk3 ай бұрын
I sometimes enjoy it more when the lads disagree about things 😆
@theequalizer91543 ай бұрын
Sunken chest soy boys are what we have in films today.
@YeomanArcher2 ай бұрын
Hollywood likes to type cast and push certain actors. I remember getting tired of Brad Pit and Tom Cruise, because for a decade between the 1990's and 2000's they were in almost every big movie.
@npbarnhill3 ай бұрын
Pascal absolutely was flamboyant in GOT, and it worked for the character.
@StreetPreacherr3 ай бұрын
It's also a shift in how people want to be perceived! In the past boys couldn't wait to become 'adults', and would attempt to dress/present as mature men as early as possible, while today the desire is to remain 'forever young'. So historically, guys would start dressing in suits & ties at 18 to appear 'grown up', while now most middle aged 'men' seem to prefer dressing like grade school kids... Maybe guys should return to wearing tailored slacks, collared shirts & sport coats, instead of distressed denim, graphic tees & hoodies. Present Company INCLUDED! lol
@consciousgentile51413 ай бұрын
And how do WOMEN dress nowadays? 😂😂😂
@taurinstraiter23253 ай бұрын
A GREAT EXAMPLE of miscasting as a tough male lead in a science fiction epic space opera is Dane DeHaan in VALERIAN: CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS (2017). At least, I think so. Pretty forgotten movie
@FunkyKikuchiyo3 ай бұрын
A lot of the “manly” men of older movies were considered the soft pretty boys of their time and had to prove themselves as tough, manly actors.
@mikavirtanen70293 ай бұрын
Errol Flynn was one example. Flynn had done rubber planting and gold mining in Papua-New Guinea when he was frigging eighteen, but still Hollywood stuntmen thought he was a softie pretty boy from under the down under. Of course these things were settled those days with fistcuffs and afterwards everybody was pals and VERY drunk.
@remsan032 ай бұрын
07:12 I've got to say that Mauler's strong defense for Pedro Pascal came out of a left field for me. Very surprising to me, at least. Especially for his repeated push back of Drinker's rather fair assessment of his works and over-castings. Has Mauler seen Wonder Woman 1984?
@remsan032 ай бұрын
And what's with his standard of miscasting: Melissa McCarthy as Joel is a miscast, but Pedro is not. Well, if he sets the bar so low, then why not put Michael Cera as Joel, then?
@briskettaco3 ай бұрын
These 5 ‘tubers together is the best. Love this combo! 🎉
@steveanderson61703 ай бұрын
I believe we're fast approaching a time where we will wish there were more of the manly virtues present in society.
@MaryRohwer3 ай бұрын
Those men still exist. As hard times come on, the weak will either toughen up or fall and virtuous men will continue striving to provide for and protect their families.
@thurmanwilliams79613 ай бұрын
Oberyn Martell was a skilled fighter, but not intimidating in a way that The Hound was. Nobody was going to look at him and say "Oh shit it's Oberyn"
@davidsmith82792 ай бұрын
When TLOU tv show was announced I immediately thought that Josh Brolin would've been perfect as Joel.
@ManHamAlsume3 ай бұрын
We need to get Mooler to rewatch Predator ASAP. The soy is starting to take hold of him.
@user-nj5bd8ly1y3 ай бұрын
Started?
@intheknow64993 ай бұрын
Hugh Jackman. The fact that he also does musicals and is an absolute gentleman doesn’t take anything away from the fact that when he’s on screen, he is an absolute man’s man and is not to be fkd with. In fact I think it actually enhances it.
@rankoorovic79043 ай бұрын
The death happened a long now we can only perform the autopsy by doing an exhumation of the buried body
@lanceyoung99552 ай бұрын
I remember how shocked I was when I learned that the character Taggert in Beverly Hills Cop was only in his 30s, I'd always assumed he'd been in his 50s in the movie🤣🤣🤣
@user-ux6ch9cm8l3 ай бұрын
This is why I watch a lot of Asian and South Asian cinema. If you have seen the successful Indian movie "RRR" which had a high dose of machoism and brotherhood, you'd know that people still want to see these kinds of movies and many people in the West are turning to cinema outside of their countries to experience it.
@christophertaylor91002 ай бұрын
Indians have a different view on manliness than Americans do, though
@CreativeGuy993 ай бұрын
People watch Mauler? How can people watch anyone who defends Pedro Pascal's masculinity? 🤣😂
@RobbinGraham3 ай бұрын
Eastwood spent how many hours in the sun in his childhood then on set for "Rawhide" when he was in his late twenties where he was on horses, doing fight scenes for 11 hours per day? of course he looked more aged and rugged at forty than a lot of forty year olds now... so many older people just did more outdoors and were under daily physical duress way more than this new generation which seems softer and with many more mental issues which seems to prevent them from doing much besides making online content and complaining. we have an entire tik tok world of kids coming up who don't get outdoors unless they are getting in and out of their cars to go to Sephora and Starbucks- they really just have nothing in common with people from the fifties and sixties who were working doing things setting tobacco all day in the sun from age five until they left home and married, and caring for family farms and gardens their entire lives. even hollywood stars back then came from hard-working families who struggled. now there are just a lot of nepo babies.
@Art-is-craft2 ай бұрын
How come when he was seventy he looked like he looked like he was in his fifties.
@peteschaub75612 ай бұрын
Truth is that life was not that hard back then. People totally overstate how much easier and better things are now, than they were back then. Watch a few movies or read some books set in the 40s and 50s and you'll learn that's not true. What it is, is our culture has been so debased that the differences between men and women are dissolving. Not only were men more "manly" back then, women were also more beautiful and feminine than women are now. That can't be attributed to an easy or difficult life.
@hikingglint96483 ай бұрын
I think GoT's pascal as Oberyn was less of a masculine approach, as the mountain was meant to take more of that in the scene being more of the brute. The Mountain and the Viper. Oberyn was more brovado and bravura. Both of which cost him the fight. He knew he could win, he knew he had the skill, even won outright by the end, but he needed the extra cherry 'cause that's Oberyn. And it opened him up to failure. A great character and Pascal played him well I think. He's a good actor, but he's not a Joel, and that's OK.
@rider2753 ай бұрын
'The Dirty Dozen' couldn't be made today.
@genmaicha.lapsang3 ай бұрын
The reason people look younger is because less young people smoke or drink like they did in the 70-80s. It's hard for young people to understand but smoking was cool up until the late 90s.
@colinr03802 ай бұрын
The 'old look' might also be down to everyone smoking until a few decades ago too.
@SweatyFatGuy3 ай бұрын
I don't think its how difficult your life has been, my life has been wildly difficult, two wars, 5 desert deployments, two divorces, grew up on a farm in the 70s dirt poor and working heavy when I wasn't in school. I can bench 500lbs and I did not get it in a gym, I got it from being worked. I have hypertension from massive stress. If I shave my gray beard, or dye it, I can pass for mid 30s easy.. I am almost 55. Very few actors have had lives like mine, you have to go back to Lee Marvin and James Stewart to have actors who did things like I have. I never smoked, rarely drink, worked night shift most of my life so that limited the UV damage to my skin. I tried to live a healthy life for the most part. Smoking and drinking ages you fast, too much sugar ages you fast. The people I graduated with who smoke loot a lot older than those of us who don't. My younger brothers look a lot older than I do, they both smoke, the middle one is an Iraq vet like I am. Movies do not show masculinity, I don't think hollywood knows what the hell it is anymore.
@riggs583 ай бұрын
of course movies can show masculiity, that's what this whole discussion is about. you can see it on screen, not just from facial features etc but an energy that gets projected through the screen.
@tradford3 ай бұрын
I agree with you the heavy smoking and the heavy drinking back in the day really put some age on faces. People were out and about in the sun ALL the time back in the day and that damaged their looks about 30. I got a ton of face damage from days out doing stuff at the beach and roaming around outside before doctors started going on about sunscreen. We didn't mind lines on faces as much as people today.
@looinrims3 ай бұрын
That is an important point that lifestyles are a lot different than the norm of back when, smoking cigarettes was something most people did from very young for example
@skylx08123 ай бұрын
Steve McQueen's mother was a lady of the evening, a horrid woman she included him in on her "transactions" as a child. He grew up with issues with male authority figures. He later went into the Navy. When he got out he became a hustler working the LA streets until he was discovered. A lot of the "tough guy" actors of the past and present prostituted themselves when they got to LA. Even Thomas Jane admitted he would sell himself for a sandwich just to have something to eat. You don't want to be eaten by the machine that churned out all these Hollwood man's men. They were used through and through everywhicg way imaginable.
@SweatyFatGuy3 ай бұрын
@@riggs58 yes, movies can.. but they have been screwing it up for a while now.. trying to change it into something they think we should be, rather than what we are.
@leedesigner19773 ай бұрын
100% with Baggage Claim here. Great to see her and Despot on the stream.
@Tim_the_Enchanter3 ай бұрын
I heard recently on Caravan of Garbage that Mel Gibson had exactly 16 lines of dialogue in The Road Warrior. That seems like it can't possibly be true, but think about portraying detachment, cleverness, quiet menace and a touch of humanity without saying anything. I don't see a Pedro pascal doing that.
@michaelz40372 ай бұрын
Young actors today don’t smoke and I suppose that helps them look young longer. However, no actor today has any hope of ever looking as cool as Sean Connery in the opening sequence of Dr. No when he first introduces himself as Bond, James Bond while lighting a cigarette.
@chaosgyro2 ай бұрын
Really don't understand Mauler's man crush on Pedro Pascal. Oberyn was a decent character, but he was absolutely a flamboyant hedonist.
@sl4v6663 ай бұрын
It's not about hard times, it's about testosterone deficiency. I live in Eastern Europe and life here has improved in 20+ years, but people don't look like children in most cases.
@robhaldane33473 ай бұрын
Calling Chris Pratt a manly man shows how far we’ve fallen lol
@robhaldane33473 ай бұрын
Yikes that was being Mauler suggested Tom Holland….
@earthlingcarl31793 ай бұрын
2:15 - Ah, the effeminate guy pushes back, I am shocked! lol
@travelinlight11413 ай бұрын
It's not just that was more difficult back then but society expected you to grow up and conduct yourself as an adult which bled into their looks, behavior, everything. Our current society pushes more of a Peter Pan and Wendy syndrome where progressing as an adult is discouraged.
@tpatrick69023 ай бұрын
1. Testosterone levels have signifcantly decreased since WW.2. 2. Nutrition and healthcare have improved dramatically. 3. Comparatively, the offspring post Boom suffer from arrested development which manifests both emotionally and physically.
@ZombieWagon3 ай бұрын
And there's various additional relatively smaller but quite common reasons people (even as young as 20) looked so much older 50 to 100 years ago, including but not limited to: the sheer amount of alcohol consumption on a casual daily basis, and how it was so common for many men to not drink much water (i.e. poor hydration), the constant exposure to smoking and passive smoking (affecting numerous aspects of one's interior and exterior health), little attention paid to skincare in men (e.g. little or no UV protection when working long hours under the sun, moisturising, etc) and so on. You could even include pre-natal and post-natal nutrition and care as being considerable life-long factors.
@robertanderson69293 ай бұрын
In 1981, Nigel Terry played King Arthur in _Excalibur_ opposite Helen Mirren. Despite being in his mid 30s Terry is convincing as the teen aged "Boy King." He starts off clean shaven while all the other MEN have full beards, his costume makes him look smaller and less developed than his elders and he does an excellent job of hanging his head and otherwise portraying a boy not yet a man. Then there is a montage of King Arthur's battles to unity Britain under his rule and when we see his face again he is visibly older. He has a full beard and battle scars. He stands tall and is fully confident and give orders with authority like a MAN. Timothee Chalamet may be a fine actor. But I'm stuck by the fact that despite being almost 30 he looks like a teenager in the Dune films. He looks rather effeminate with his mostly hairless body devoid of the musculature one would expect from a "leading man." And he still looks like a "boy" at the end of the second movie. He doesn't age at all despite years transpiring. He doesn't look more mature despite living in a harsh environment and being in constant war. And he looks like a boy compared to MEN like Javier Bardem and Josh Brolin. Rebecca Ferguson is only 11 years Chalamet's senior but she has no problem pulling off being old enough to be his mother. Of course it is easier to make a woman look older but Chalamet's immature looks help.
@consciousgentile51413 ай бұрын
Read the book. Paul is a YOUNG TEENAGER, and SMALL for his age.
@robertanderson69293 ай бұрын
@@consciousgentile5141 I have read the book but it has been several years. Looking now it appears he is 15 at the start of the first novel. I don't see anything about him being "small for his age." Perhaps you could help me find that. But I do recall that the war took several years as he and Chani have a child which is killed. How long the war on Arrakis lasted in the movie is unclear. But if he is supposed to be 15 at the start of the first movie then the perhaps that is why I found the intimate scenes between Chalamet's Paul and Zendaya's Chani so uncomfortable to watch. Unlike Sean Young, in the 1984 adaptation, who looked quite mature and feminine in her Stilsuit, Zendaya's (despite being an attractive woman) look more like an adolescent boy in hers. Do you think my discomfort was feeling that I was watching two adolescent boys rather than an adult man and woman? And now you've got me thinking about it, given the proclivity of Hollywood producers toward that bent perhaps displaying a scene of two adolescent boys engaged in intimate contact was what the producers sought? But you have to admit that at 29 Chalamet is quite effeminate when compared to actors of the past at his age. Sylvester Stallone was only a year older than Chalamet when he made Rocky.
@consciousgentile51412 ай бұрын
@robertanderson6929 Is he not small for his age, Jessica?” the old woman asked.” Reverend Mother Mohiam on Paul, from chapter 1 of Dune. “face oval like Jessica’s, but strong bones…hair: the Duke’s black-black but with browline of the maternal grandfather who cannot be named, and that thin, disdainful nose; shape of directly staring green eyes: like the old Duke, the paternal grandfather who is dead.” Reverend Mother Mohiam on Paul, from chapter 1 of Dune. Thank you for your cool reply. In Denis' Dune 2, the war is shortened-- thus Alia is still a fetus at its conclusion. So Paul is 16 at best. Chani just looks insufferable to me-- not boyish! The love scenes were so tame, I think it would be hard to find them offensive
@robertanderson69292 ай бұрын
@@consciousgentile5141 Thanks. I see that now. Like I said it has been some years. Zendaya is a beautiful young woman. I don't know why they chose to make her look so "boyish" and that's the term that seems best. But I think Timothee Chalamet proves the point of the video. Today's leading men look like boys instead of men. Just compare Chalamet's 2022 Vogue photoshoot to Bert Reynolds Cosmopolitan from 1972. I think the boys in the video are correct.
@consciousgentile51412 ай бұрын
@robertanderson6929 You have The Rock, Hemsworth, Jason Mamoa, Statham, and Chris Pratt/ Chris Evans for the buff types. The stillsuits the fremen wore hid basically all curves. You have great points. Nice to hear from a fellow Dune fan
@JohnCurtinmadrid2 ай бұрын
The first part of this video was a great relief as I really thought it was me. I´m 64 and recently booked and online video call with my "senior accounts executive" about an investment portfolio. When she first appeared, I thought it was rather unprofessional for her to ask her teenage daughter to stand in temporarily (must be in the loo, I thought). Tuns out SHE was the "senior" accounts executive. I swear to God everybody looks about 16 to me.
@tobynormoyle6373 ай бұрын
I liked this when MauLer said that Oscar Isaac was his favorite part of Dune Part 1. That movie and part 2 get such a free pass...
@IReallyBluett3 ай бұрын
Part 2 was okay-ish as a sci-fi action movie. But as an adaptation it was garbage.
@ItsaKindOfMagic863 ай бұрын
Our genderations not being out in the sun enough, that would slow our aging down, since we spend more time indoors online, playing vidyagames, and not out in the fields, on the farm, outside. Also the food. We arent getting enough nuturients, not getting enough quality meat and vegetables or healthy fats. Too much processed foods. You might think that would age us faster but there is certain ingredients in processed foods that raise certain hormones that would make us appear more younger, estrogen mimickers being one of them.
@fenaxtv3 ай бұрын
Reason why I don't buy most of the movie/TV male heroes nowadays. Every actor looks like the only hardship they ever encountered was lack of soy milk in their late. There is nothing in their eyes. That is why there are no silent moments, the men just talk and talk and talk... Boring, uninteresting AF
@paulwhiston18362 ай бұрын
There's been a change in audience. In the 70s the films were for adults, these days it's for teenage girls and teenage girls like boybands.
@juanch69363 ай бұрын
A lot of those old school actors were WWII Veterans as well. Or at minimum served in the military.
@pauljoseph24003 ай бұрын
Chris Pratt is considered to be one of the more masculine actors for this generation. You can see he is trying to emulate Harrison Ford (as Indiana Jones ) to some degree in the Jurassic World movies, but it just kind of comes off as a bit of a goof.