*Ape-surrection

​​@@shinobi-no-bueno Ape-calypse.

@@shinobi-no-buenowhy is your pfp

Best title ever

@@ToyotaCorolla-qs7ml why not?

Underrated comment. Well done.

"Dude, nobody called him Maurice" --the rest of the guys in the band

@@christophertaylor9100 But he speaks, of the pompetis of love.

He got his lovin' on the run.

Or was he a joker and a midnight toker? I only hear parts of this song when it gets into movies or tv. He was also Joey's imaginary friend on Friends.

It's a underrated franchise that deserves its praise.

i didnt hate it, but the eagle thing at the end was stupid as shit. The apes should have killed proximus, not the mind reading eagles.

I’d agree. I liked them quite a bit and would like to see this one.

I respect them - they are extremely well made. I just don't particularly enjoy them. I've talked to a lot of people who feel the same way.

@@derkeheath5172 yeah, like they're good, but I don't think I've rewatched any of them...

I actually find them quite rewatchable. They’re not the best films ever but there are some definitely cool moments like when caeser first speaks that I tend to stick around for if they’re on tv

As prequels to the first film, they were pretty good.

So incredibly underrated too. I gotta rewatch it again.

So is him killing it a good or a bad thing? I don't understand your Gen Z language.

@@O1OO1O1 Good.

The third one was weak

​@@O1OO1O1"kills it" has been around as a positive remark for 10+ years at least.

STOP 💀💀💀

YES! There was such a simpler way to title them: Planet of the Apes: Dawn Planet...Apes: Rise Planet...Apes: War After the first one, go with POTA: Rise, etc. (Minor Edit - think you could have worked "Shire" and "Area 51" into your version. Still, 8.9/10.)

​@@lordsayet"Rise of the Apes," "Dawn of the Apes" etc works fine. That double "of the" is the problem. It just sounds dumb.

Ape of green gables

...and don't forget the Rise of the Fall of the Return of the Revenge of Planet Of The Apes...part 14.

I don't know I liked his acting and all but I kind of felt like the motion capture/CGI apes lost something. They were samey as each other. I liked the original and the actors in makeup because you could them apart better and the actors were able to emote through the makeup. As much as I like Serkis he never reaches the level of McDowell.

The mute girl ruined the last movie

The mute blonde girl was fine and actress did a good job

Really? They were good? I found them dull and uninteresting as well as poorly executed. What did you find good?

@@criticalcommenter I think they were okay but like I said I personally like the use of make up over CGI and motion capture. The apes lost individuality and character that way. I think that is why they gave them scars and stuff but that is no replacement for what was lost. I will always like the originals best of all even if the new ones are more slick because the writing is stronger in the originals even the less popular later ones.

Sounds like only one of them knew anything about these films despite them supposedly being movie critics. Didn’t even see a trailer or anything.

It's ironic they call fans and audiences "alt-right" when in actuality we just want good quality content.

I’ll say it for them: May was the standard BORING girl boss character

@@liamphibia Ah, but the problem is two-fold. Wanting quality movies runs contra-message AND, labeling thigs that way is just lazy, because those types have no comeback.

I forgot it became Disney. I did notice the strong female character and the human civilization in the bunker at the end was majority women with like one dude.

Well... that´s the Curse of the Planet of Apes...

It’s Disney?! 💀 Pain

Honestly I did want them to continue the story so they could finally tie in the original Heston movie. I'm very interested to see how they remake it in this version

Wait for the Alien and Predator crossover.

@@scockery We already had those movies, and they sucked.

Facts

Damn that idea to hell.

More importantly I'm eager to see if they'll bring back the nuke worshipping mutants in the remnants of New York city, that'll be interesting to see

So planet of the apes 19something will be the ending for planet of the apes of 20something?

​@@steel749imagine the nuclear power plants are still just active slowly falling apart.

dude it blew

It wasn't an awful movie, but I felt a lot of my interest was only held with mild mystery aspects like "what's up with this girl who talks and has clothes" then "what is her plan". None of that really makes sense though because she's there through the movie but then has an objective to get into this bunker. The more you think about her character the more she's just there to be whatever the movie needed.

yes, the 80s was like that hehehe

​@@notanactualuser I hated her, actually. The second to last scene with her made me hate her and I think she ruined what the whole reboot franchise was about.

There were several cutbacks in this film. One also being the apes chasing the humans in the field

Thank you 🙏 seeing it tomorrow

I think actually this one used humans the best out of the four reboot movies and it really expands the world leaving lots of possibilities going forward.

Ide buy that for a dollar ! ....😁

Except, if Disney were doing Logan Runs 2, Logan would be bi, and Jessica would be played by Lizzo. Despite CGI special effects, no one would believe Lizzo was actually running, and fans would call it “Logan’s Waddle.”

Fair enough

I don't get why so many people keep s(h)-itting on this movie when it's actually good.

Wtf the 3rd was fucking awful. Ended with an avalanche. No war, no battles. A fcuking Avalanche wiped out the human army. So so so lazy

We have different interests and tastes. It's cool. Also, it's just a movie, no one would care after a couple of days. 🤷‍♂😂🍻

No Country for Ape Men? Raising Forbidden-Zona? Oh, Brother, Where Ape Thou?

You forgot the Redux !

@@whos-the-stiff my mistake

It's all of the same writers from the Caesar trilogy.

@@nicholastaylor9687 It has the same producers, but not the same writers or directors. I am aware that two of the producers, Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa did the first two movies, while someone else did the 3rd film, but they're only the producers in this one.

There's some stuff to enjoy in there but I think more stuff will begin to bug you on repeat viewings.

The Caesar Trilogy was never about the coming of a war that would decide who inherits the Earth. We all knew who would eventually come out on top (I mean, it’s right there in the title: _Planet of the Apes_ ). The “war” was always about Caesar’s internal conflict; the war within himself to balance his humanity and his ape-ness. _Rise_ was about discovery. For most of the film, Caesar struggles with his identity. He doesn’t know if he’s a human, an ape, a pet, or an individual. He’s treated like a family member by Will and his father, but like an abomination to the everyone in the outside world. When he’s thrown into the “sanctuary” with the other apes, he sees that he doesn’t fit in there either. He’s an outsider amongst his own kind, and his privilege sets him apart. However, when the man who is basically his father tells him that he can’t come home, Caesar is hit hard with the fact that he is not human, and he’s not part of a family. Maurice, the orangutan, helps him accept that being an ape is not shameful. This turning point is the “rise” of the ape in Caesar; his awakening. This kicks off his entire character arc across the three films. It’s now his purpose in life to elevate and lead the apes to freedom. _Dawn_ is a tragedy filled with hope. It’s about Caesar’s bias and failure. It’s about loss and desperation; innocence and ignorance; Koba’s fear and hatred; Malcom’s empathy and connection. It’s about brother versus brother. It’s about how dark things sometimes have to get before they can get better. That’s the dawn of the title. _War_ is about the war for Caesar’s soul. In this movie, Caesar becomes the villain. He’s motivated by fear and hatred, and he’s becoming the very thing he thought he destroyed in the previous movie: Koba. He thinks he’s trying to protect his people, but his selfishness puts them directly into harm’s way. His battle is not with humans or apes, but with himself; with his capacity for compassion, empathy, and sympathy. His quest for vengeance is in direct opposition with his purpose to elevate and lead apes to the promise land. These movies were never about a war between apes and humans. They’re about the battle to retain humanity and community in the face of chaos, death, and destruction. Apes together strong.

2 different directors did the reboot not one consistent one. I just got it of it and it was a good movie. Criticizing a movie you haven't even seen is weirdddd​@@tjjordan4207

I think the only thing I've seen with Estella Warren was Driven. I liked that movie.

Tim Burton's version was an insult but also used as an insult by Rosanne to describe Valerie Jarnett. So it had a redeeming quality.

She was so attractive.

​@@collaborativedataaccounts3249she looked exactly like HBC's character.

Remember Kangaroo Jack?

At least Mauler didn't start talking about how he's a Lady Gaga fan ad nauseum.

They say like more than Shaggy.

Incredibly annoying.

​@@collaborativedataaccounts3249by ad nauseum do you mean related to the current topic that they were talking about?

@@emuman09 That's he's a fan is different than the topic. Any more insight I can give ya before ya fuck off back to your hentai?

Owww, aren’t you sweet!

@@aldunlop4622 haha

💯💯💯👍 soooo true

Ewww! Did you actually quote that awful movie?

It may not be a good movie but the quote is 🔥

@@BobJenkins-ez1jl Hey it could be worse; I could have made a Bob Jenkins quote. That would have been really stomach turning.

@@thisisyourtriggerwarning4338 who the hell is Bob Jenkins? What are you on about?

Look up the names of the original 5 Planet of the Apes movies.

I mean, they should have done that as far back since Rise.

The first one was already sh*t. The astronauts didn´t realize the alien apes speaking f-ing English (!!!) is an obvious clue they are not aliens. The "shocking plot twist" with the remnants of the Statue of Liberty worked when I was 7 or 8 and my suspension of disbelief was much stronger. Nice masks and effects for an old movie, but the plot was absurd.

Beneath and Conquest were most definitely not shit. Conquest tackles some heavy, heavy themes.

of their time and different when watching as a kid

@@mousemetal1679 What’s absurd about the plot? Man lands in a strange environment after being in space, on a mission to find another planet. Man only knows that he is 3,000+ years into his future. Man is captured by a strange species. Man is thought to be an animal, but then exhibits he is intelligent. Man escapes and learns a secret that could upend his captors’ entire existence. Man then learns a shocking truth that upends HIS entire existence. There’s nothing absurd there, especially considering the fact that it’s science fiction. Seems pretty straightforward to me. What I think _you_ think is absurd is the story, not the plot.

@@eyespy3001 The highly educated and intelligent astronaut can´t figure out it´s impossible for alien primate-like creatures to speak f-ing ENGLISH, the language which is spoken on EARTH? And for some reason humans totally identical to those from Earth live on that "alien" planet too? How is it a plot twist he´s on Earth when everything was pointing out to that direction like a giant blinking red arrow since the very beginning? This is not absurd only for a little kid who also doesn´t see Santa Claus and monsters under the bed as absurd.

The Orangutans were trying to maintain the balance between idealistic chimps and warlike gorillas. In reality, chimps are more aggressive than gorillas. Dr. Zaius said he knew man had destroyed themselves, and thus when Taylor (Heston) shows up, Zaius was worried for the future of apekind. In the second movie, Zaius fails.

Might be building up towards that. The orangutans in the originals were villains for keeping humans oppressed, but it’s because they knew the truth about how dangerous we are. If Disney doesn’t fumble this trilogy (if that’s what it becomes) maybe the surviving humans will give the orangutans a reason to fear us. Imagine an orangutan that is compassionate towards humans seeing a city get destroyed by a nuke.

@@DeltaDanner I doubt that Caesar could have figured out a Nuke and not all the human survivors would not be all in one place. Much more interested to know what Noa and Mae saw in the telescope was it a spaceship or space station? How would they have survived without food and supplies out in space unless they had a cryo pod like in Aliens. At least it gives us things to ponder. Would have liked to have seen more Orangutans or Gorillas as well. Noa's tribe didn't seem to be a threat to the humans the film never really tells what the apes were rounding up the humans for. Slave labor for agriculture? That was the biggest issue I had for the new film. Did Mae have some kind of immunity to the virus the other humans did not?

ITS A MADHOUSE

EXACTLY

What franchise has an "overall consensus" and what does that even mean?

@@vernontk For the MCU the consensus seems to be "phases 1 to 3 great, with the odd stumbling block e.g Thor 2. Phases 4 onwards awful ". For the DCEU it seems to be " doomed from the start". The Transformers and Monsterverse franchises seem to occupy the "turn your brain off fun" ground. I would put Apes into the same bracket as Bond in that there is no consensus. It all depends on who you ask.

@@benglasspool2166I don’t know, man. The consensus on the original movies is “groundbreaking.” The consensus on the Caesar trilogy is “underrated” and “the best trilogy since LotR.” The consensus on the Tim Burton movie is “atrocious.”

@@eyespy3001 “the best trilogy since LotR.” hmmmm

In that genre, I find Black Panther to be one of the most entertaining movies.

It STILL hasn't been *renewed* 😋

Rumor has it he's still running.

🤔 it be rebooted into Lynette’s Run away cause u know ‘girl power’

​@@Spurdospaerde692Black Panther is the first Ape, Marvel, Hero movie EVER!!!!

That is disappointing to hear

@@rohanasuthkar9543see it for yourself

@@rohanasuthkar9543 No it's not like that at all. The guy is being stupid.

@@rohanasuthkar9543 I just seen it in the cinema and was gripped start to finish. I genuinely loved it.

Not true r******

"""unalived""" The word you're looking for is "dead".

@@JohnGardnerAlhadisno hes talking about the word “killed”

@@GigaChadh976 Either word works.

@@JohnGardnerAlhadis unalived sounds funnier

Rise, dawn , war

hmmmmm lol !

Everything I’m hearing about Kingdom leads me to believe that it’s good. It may not have the pathos of the recent trilogy, but it sounds like a good continuation of the series. I don’t trust these guys’ opinions as far as I could throw them. They’re too into outrage culture, and they like to focus on very nit-picky things that only appeal to a very particular demographic of chronically-online people.

​@eyespy3001 It's pretty good, go watch it. It respects the previous trilogy very well. It slowly re-introduces you to the world but it's almost completely new. It's a solid first story that hints to a bigger plot that is yet to come. Probably biggest flaw is that the ending feels kinda anticlimactic. But overall it's still a pretty solid film. It's a worthy sequel so far.

@@christiannoriega428 Glad to hear! Looking forward to seeing it this week

@@christiannoriega428 That seems to be the consensus at present. I'm still leery, but I'm likely to see it. But Disney/Fox has ONE shot to amaze me!....🤔

@@scotcarr3390 Love the original 5 movies, but probably cause I saw it in the 80s as a kid. So much so, I got the DVDs to rewatch them forever :)

fact

Star Wars should have learned

If we followed this logic, we wouldn't have gotten Mission Impossible: Fallout

Just think of it as number one of another three.

This movie isn't contrived though

I was very disappointed. Not a good start to a new trilogy.

I haven’t seen Kingdom yet, but how you compared it to the Caesar trilogy sounds like a fair criticism from someone who actually understands the purpose of those three movies. I’m still very interested in seeing it, because, like you, I have fallen in love with this world and just want to be back in it. I applaud the choice to move the story ahead far into the future. It gives enough distance to explore new avenues within this world, where the focus can shift and new themes can be explored. This is something Star Wars needs to learn in order to grow.

Humans were not needed. Same as transformers having silly humans.

True but it's still a good movie with many interesting aspects and the cinematography is top notch.

@@asellandrofacchio7263 Agreed. Having finally seen it, I can wholeheartedly say that I enjoyed it. Was it on par with Dawn, or War? No. But it didn't have to be. It was a great adventure movie, and it stuck to the basics of the Hero's Journey.

Can I play the piano anymore?

Serkis gets a lot of credit because he also started a company that does the motion capture. And he works hard to make sure that it looks natural. He is involved in a large part of the character. But of course it takes a team and many people to pull it off. I have no desire to see the new Gollum movie they announced but I am partly intrigued to see what Serkis can do as a director with it.

Motion capture is very different to traditional animation though. Andy Serkis actually did all of the facial expressions, body language, movements etc. It essentially is him in a high tech ape suit.

Better off spending your time playing well made video game than this movie. I've seen better plots in PS1 games.

My god you're right. 😂😂

I honestly find it pretty fascinating, a fantasy adventure movie in a sci-fi skin. Pretty cool.

yes

And yet, they are better than 85% what's playing in the local multi plex today.

Nonsense. Who told you that? BENEATH, and CONQUEST particularly are fantastic.

Maybe you should not listen to KZfaqrs and just watch them for yourself

@@Charlestouchdown Exactly. Apart from RMB, it's clear that all of these guests - sorry Drinker, you too in this case - are clueless about Planet Of The Apes, especially the Aussie sidekick of Mauler.

The first of the trilogy is where to start. The one with James Franco. Third one was a bit of a disappointment to me but others like it. Edit: It's called "Rise of the planet of the Apes"

Rise of the Planet of the Apes - 2011, with James Franco and Andy Serkis.

​@@jakepayne1984 The first 2 of the trilogy were great. War was a let down I agree.

Rise and Dawn are Great films. When you watch WAR, don't let the name fool you. It's not a tradition war movie but more of an internal battle within Ceasar. It's a good movie if your invested into Ceasars story or more of a story focus movie goer you'll like the film. As a War action film, it's a bit of a let down. However i would still recommend to watch to to complete the journey.

@@CactusInsane I still watch it when I marathon the trilogy. I love a good character driven story. Taxi Driver is a great example of this. But it just didnt work for War. Especially being a direct follow up of Dawn.

They wanted slaves. Humans were too dumb to enslave in the movies. That's why they used electric shocks. Plus it's designed for mid teenagers.

Disputable. I think it's more accurate to say that these are leading up to a remake of the original. The original timeline had no virus and a terminator style causality loop.

@@slang1517 Wes Ball, Director of Kingdom - exact quote: "In my mind if we had our choice, we wouldn’t go back and remake the 1968 version, we would build all the way up to it then start over, just go back and watch [the] '68 version and the franchise through." This was also the case when they created RISE. The Serkis trilogy would act as a new "Prime" origin that will eventuate ultimately with the world of the 1968 movie. In mine, and other Classic Apes fans mind, all the original sequels from BENEATH onward still work, since the Ape-onauts in ESCAPE altered the timeline when they came back in time to 1973, causing the Ape Revolution to happen much earlier in history than originally recorded, with Baby Milo becoming CAESAR. The original Classic movie sequels can easily therefore be seen as taking place in this Alternate Timeline.

@@liokaizer1662 I see how it could lead up to the the 68 movie, and that is how I interpreted Rise. However, in Escape, Cornelius mentioned the cat and dogs dying, and the ape servants, even though he came directly from the 68 timeline. The virus also changes things. Were all the astronauts immune? Were all the modern humans in Escape immune? Personally, I want to see a remake of 68, maybe with a more advanced ape society as was originally intended.

@@slang1517 As a kid I always envisioned that it was the Ape-onauts who had inadvertantly brought back the virus that decimated the domesticated animals, and also on some level had a mutagenic effect on the other apes of the time period ( speculation ). I really do NOT want a remake, but I'm sure it WILL happen...I just don't want them to get there too soon. I'd like to see the rise of the Mutants ( the bunker dwelling humans from 'Beneath', whose precursors were the Alpha-Omega battalions in WAR. I'd love it if this new trilogy goes there, rather than giving a hopeful chance to humanity as seen in the latest film.

@@liokaizer1662 I'm waiting for the mutants. The virus could explain their enhanced mental abilities. I'd be happy to scrub Escape, as it has a plothole where Cornelius already knew humans were dominant. Kingdom didn't really set up much and I thought it was disappointing.

Yeah, instead there's 50 minutes of eagles.

5 more films to go then. The apes are still not as evolved as they were in the original so they still some ways to go. My guess would be this trilogy will be about Noah and the last 3 films will be the original astronauts storyline.

I'm assuming by nine films they are including the first 3 already? I think ending this trilogy with a remake of the Original would be best, and then explore something new in the final 3 where the Astronauts influence leads to interesting new things, or perhaps just explore a more futuristic sci-fi era in this world.

I felt the same about Noah n the new Ceasar there was a lot they can do with that

TRUE

Rod's script has been adapted into a comic. 👍

If you want Shakespeare and apes, the Caesar Trilogy of PotA movies is right up your alley, especially _Dawn._ Beautiful, character-based movies with plenty of pathos.

Watched it last night. Good movie. His direction was different than Matt Reeves, obviously, but it’s a new tone that is welcome for the new era it takes place in.

"He can talk, he can talk!" "I can SIIIIING!!!"