"We're losing truckloads of money, but unpleasant women are praising us for making a product they're not buying!"

This Lara Croft will apologize for her colonialism and robbing cultural artifacts.

Women like Phoebe and Kennedy are proof that our society refuses to allow women to fail no matter how horrible they are at their job...

I buy that she's played Tomb Raider just as much as I believe Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant is a Star Wars superfan.

If the old Tomb Raider games were so important to these people growing up, why are they so desperate to change everything about the property and character?

It won´t be Lara in any way shape or form, it´ll be her "character" from Indy 5, again.

C'mon guys, why aren't you excited for Lesbiana Jones and the Dial of Misandry?!?

Drinker, the problem with Phoebe Waller-Bridge is that she's become the go-to person that you call when you want to make your show or movie "Message Friendly". Just hiring her tells you what the producers intend.

To give you boys a different perspective: I'm a chick, a bit older so games like Tomb Raider and Resident Evil were on another level. And nearly every other woman I knew that played games, played TR. So, you can imagine how awful recent years have felt, seeing Lara just destroyed. From baby hand holding through the weird games to the travesty of every movie past the first Angelina one. So there ARE women who could write her and want to... but we're not woke so we won't be heard nor hired. Also, who else would want a true blue reboot of OG TR1 with only updated graphics and as few changes as possible for PS5? Because I do! That and Metal Gear 1 & 2 (PS) Remember boys, women who agree with you get silenced, so don't lose faith. We're out here.

You'd think after Indy 5 that Pheobe Waller Bridge would be considered entertainment poison by now. But this is Hollywood after all, and when do they ever learn lol?

This is like continually trying to park your truck in your neighbor's lawn mower shed. It obviously isn't working, the neighbor is pissed and it's destroying the shed but you keep trying.

Somehow Phoebe Waller-Bridge returned

The irony is that 9 times out of 10 returning artifacts to their alleged "proper owners" almost certainly would have guaranteed the artifacts ended up on the black market or destroyed.

She looks more like Olive Oil than Lara Croft..

We went from Angelina Jolie to that.

I met Goggins once, years ago, he was a super cool guy. We were at a coffee shop, we had a slightly awkward moment waiting in line (I made an awkward joke but didn't want to be all fan boy), anyway, he timed a cigarette break to catch me coming out when I was packing up to leave, and he chit-chatted with me for a few minutes, asked me lots of questions. He was just being cool because of the awkward moment we had, even though it was my fault. Cool guy, good guy.

She was a co-writer on James Bond, Soylo, and Dial of Destiny. Nerdrotic's contribution is spot on.

Lara Croft went from being a beautiful voluptuous woman to looking like a 12 year-old boy in a tank top. Which, given what we know about our cultural elites, is probably what they're more into.

"Y'know the woman who buried Indiana Jones in the Nevada desert?" "Yeah?" "Let's hand her his cheesecake female expy." "Great idea!"

for as mediocre as the movies actually were, Angelina Jolie really nailed the character. Competent, confident, intelligent. Yeah, sexy as hell, but without flagrantly drawing attention to it. i'm sure Waller-Bridge will have at least one scene where Lara turns to the camera and tells us she's all those things in between the awkwardness and jokes that would have been clever 10 years ago.... but that's as close as we'll get.

Rarely heard Mauler sounding as enthusiastic as when he confirmed watching the first Tomb Raider with Angelina Jolie in his early years 😂

Now I see why BAFTA picked Lara as the most iconic video game character ever… early clout for that exclusive insider goodie bag!

Relic Hunter was a Tomb Raider style show back in 1999 with Tia Carerre. It wasn't bad from what I remember.

This video is example of how the anti-Critical Drinker argument of "He just hates women" is bogus. CD pauses to figure out why PWB is so hated by the general audience instead of blindly joining the bandwagon. He even argues in her favour at points. Goes on to show how much ecochambers influence opinions.

‘Fleabag’, the most influential show amongst female studio executives

I miss the 90s.

I think most of the reaction against Waller-Bridge is that woke hollywood keeps pushing her forward as being so great so others have a knee-jerk reaction against her. It was made worse when she was going to be better than Indy Jones and replace him; that really angered people.

So she destroyed the Indiana Jones franchise and will do the same with Tomb Raider.

Everybody says : "I grew up watching and/or playing [insert Property name here], so it means a LOT to me, to be a part of this Project." Don't believe the lies, folks. It's all just a phony Marketing ploy to get you to buy into whatever they're selling you.

I'm gathering that Phoebe Waller-Bridge is the screenwriting equivalent of Sweet Baby Inc.

The problem with the 2010s Tomb Raider games is the first one was a bold and original idea, reboot/prequel showing an inexperienced Lara evolving into her iconic form, but then with the success of that one they just kept repeating it, putting her in survivalist situations where she evolves into what she should have already evolved in the end of the first game, her arc kept resetting instead of advancing. Then the last game, perhaps out of some Sweet Baby like interference, became afraid of being about a rich lady from London taking artifacts from other civilizations and we all know how that goes. 🙄

No Video game adaptation will be good in the future while DEI is there

“Lara Croft meant a lot to me growing up.” That’s why I’m going to change absolutely everything about her to the point of where she’s only a shadow of her former self.

I am so happy Walton Goggins is finally getting the widespread recognition he has always deserved

Screwing up Tomb Raider is like messing up a bacon cheeseburger. Its such a perfect and simple combination you'd have to TRY to wreck it. A beautiful, buxom aristocrat who travels the world, exploring elaborate ruins and stealing treasure. That is literally it. If that combination bothers you then just make / play something else. It'd be like saying you're going to make a bacon cheeseburger, but without bacon, cheese, or hamburger meat.

PWB years ago would’ve gone from Fleabag and Killing Eve, to some SNL cast romcom movies, maybe even working with say Ricky Gervais or Will Farrell or Kevin Hart, as some odd pairing mash-up. Or Sandra Bullock as the plucky sidekick character. She literally got cast in Star Wars (Solo), Indy 5, Bond 5, and now Tomb Raider after TR flopped. It makes no sense, it’s like giving a kid who won a biology regional science fair a lead position at the WHO.

Never ceases to amaze me how these franchises are such a huge part of these celebrities loves, but we never find that out until well *after* they’ve signed multi million dollar contracts.

This Despot fella is right, as an englishman seeing phoebe waller bridge anywhere action, sci fi, or anywhere in between just doesnt work. She would work in a rom com or even a serious gritty british drama but dont put her in anything else.

Phoebe Waller-Bridges does have some other Hollywood presence. She had a hand in the original treatment of Captain Marvel. She wrote, and acted, the part of the feminist Droid in Solo. She was brought in to make Bond more feminist. And she ruined Indiana Jones. Yea.. I wonder why she isn't liked. Star Wars, MCU, Bond, Indy, and now Tomb Raider. They keep hiring her because all the wine aunts love her, and that's 80% of Hollywood executives these days.

The problem with Phobe is, if a production is even considering her, it is already broke...

I'm getting Sarkeesian "I've always been a gamer" vibes. Honestly, I have more respect for the lady from Madame Web who admitted she only saw like two of the movies. Sure, it's admirable for an actor to study the source material, but I think the writers and directors are the ones most responsible for knowing the character and writing them in a way that comports with their history. I dunno why the actors have to pretend they have this deep connection with the source material.

Walton Goggins is such a weird phenomenon. He's so likable he can make basically anything worth watching.

The Hollywood push for PWB to be a mainstream star and a new Sigourney has always bewildered me. It's reached the point of desperation that she be an action star.

As a straight woman I will say that even I appreciate Angelina Jolie as Laura Croft

Femputer Hellena Shaw NTTD writer Fleabag Yes how can she be failure? Look at the amount of success she’s had!!

Despot, you are the first other guy i've heard say that. 100% famke janssen as xenia onatopp was my adolescent awakening. Everything from the entrance in the F355, to the steam room scene to her end scene, utterly incredible for a 12 year old boy.

"Vikander was in better shape than Jolie ever was" ?? uhh, if by that you mean Vikander is skinny af. I did not believe a single "stunt" she did in that movie, because she would not be able to lift her own weight, no matter how small it is. Jolie had THE body, and she worked out like hell for the TR movies! She was the perfect real life Lara Croft!

The woke deserves a new hero to cater to their tastes. I present to you, British Museum Raider.

Should be called I.P. Raider

The only tomb, that Phoebe Waller-Bridge as Lara Croft will hit, will be Disney's....

Laura raided tombs for the same reason Indy went on adventures. To seek and preserve history. Also Laura ends up with having to destroy artifacts that are dangerous. Plus how will Hollywood fair when she will get compared to the Angelina Jolie movies? The best reboot we had were the games that had her based on Jolie design where it was a great update to the character.

Disney wanted to make movie named "Snow NOT White and Seven NOT Dwarfs", Crystal Dynamics wants to make game named "NOT Tomb NOT Raider".

I feel bitterness radiating from her. That's the vibe I get

Lara Croft was popular with the young boys. I was into Tomb Rider games in late 90s.

I know whats next : Goldeneye The Musical

Unfortunately, this is why the success of the Mario Movie was a bad thing … it was too early … Now we get to watch our most wanted video game franchises be adapted to fit “THE MESSAGE” …

She has a face for radio. The pretty well sums it up.

phoebe waller-bridge has the perfect face FOR THE RADIO

Oh boy, can't wait. Outside of Nintendo's IPs and maybe the Resident Evil games, most of the major game IPs are on life support right now.

The wrong person at the wrong time…or tomb! 😂

As an estimation ... 90% of best directors are men. 80% of directors are wht (US) 90% of best directors are wht. 95% of directors are str8. 90% of best writers for certain genres are men. That's why trying to avoid men, wht and str8 people makes movies 90% worse.

Drinker is the only one who actually tries to be fair All the best to everyone

I love the logic here. People hated waller-bridge in Indiana Jones which lost a lot of money. So let's cast her in a similar role like tomb raider so people can hate her more and we can lose more money.

Lara won't have the Double-D dairy cannons I require her to have.

Lost interest when announced PWB is involved.

Despot! Northern Ireland represent!

I hate when they say they're "fans" and yet are totally fine being involved in something that destroys the story/characters, no real fan would be part of something like that, I'm Mexican and grew up in the 90's with all the great superhero cartoons and yeah I didn't see any character like me, except this syndicated Zorro cartoon, but even back then I never wanted any of my favorites to be changed in anyway.

Ever seen a politician hype a local sports team, when it's clear they've never watched a game in their lives? That's what this is. It's pathetic and cringworthy.

Lara Croft's story is about a incredibly attractive (well endowed), psychotic, snooty British chick who runs around robbing tombs and waving twin pistols in everyone face. Man she was even more crazy in the HD era games. "Where is my motherrrrr!!!?!?!". And we loved it, we ate it up! Girls and Boys alike! This Amazon thing is going to fail harder than the Tomb Raider movie based on the Reboot* that did so poorly no one even realized it came out.

What a sad age we live in to see the things we grew up with subverted, one after another. I was sixteen when the first Tomb Raider game came out back in 1996. I was far too impulsive to realize what a great time that was before the Age of Subversion and Social Media. We'll always have the classics but it's a damn shame we can't continue those classics in a way that honors the core of what they were, of adding to them in some way without the current day rhetoric that only serves to send bile spewing up my throat and out my mouth and onto the poor unfortunate soul unlucky enough to be standing anywhere close to me.

Museum Raider "This goes back to where it came from!"

The first rebooted tomb raider game was pretty good. The tomb raiding was all optional but overall it was cool.

She'll be breaking into tombs to return items in between patronising her male sidekick. And zero love interest as usual with girl bosses.

"If i could tell my teenage self this was happening, i think shed explode." Ok peeps, we urgently need to invent time machine and send Phoebe back in time.

TR 2013 was a brilliant game. Still in the top of my Steam library.

She is the kiss of death for any production not only was she in the box office bomb Dial of Destiny but in recent bomb IF.

Now all that is left of the tomb raider is changing the name. Zara Kraft the thumb raiser.

I actually enjoyed the rebooted Tomb Raider games. They all kind of fell apart towards the end, but in general I thought that they were quite fun action-adventure games. But the particular way that they tried to make a more 'serious' Lara resulted in a much less interesting character. All the alternative costumes mostly involved different kinds of tank tops and combat trousers. It was almost painful how careful they were to try and keep her as sexless as possible. As far as the new Amazon Tomb Raider show goes, I'd have little faith in it even without Phoebe Waller-Bridge's input. There's no reason I can think of that anyone should expect anything other than the usual Hollywood sausage-factory fare.

The whole point of video games is to do something you can't or shouldn't in real life! It's a fantasy, an adventure. That's the point.

Hollywood, you will NEVER establish Phoebe as the new female beauty standard, no matter how many franchises you thrust her into.

That aint Lara Croft. Thats Aunt Pheobe!

Tomb Raider is easy Hollywood. Here is what a good producer would do... You offer Sydney Sweeney a huge payday to play Lara. Get her a voice coach and give her the Taran Tactical treatment a la John Wick. Get her coaches and give her 6 months so she can develop some strength and muscle tone so she looks at least a bit more convincing as a mountain climber (core, squats and legs so she looks like she can develop power into strikes). Have pros teach her martial arts (mostly just boxing and some okinawan hard-style karate like Uechi Ryu for example so she has that signature sanchin breathing technique and looks powerful when she strikes, a little ju jutsu ground work so she knows the fundamentals of controlling opponents, how to crab up, fight from the ground, get free and back to her feet etc. and a few signature taekwondo kicks that look good on film like a simple Chuck Norris style roundhouse, step turn back kick, axe kick, 360 crescent kick, jump spin hook, spinning wheel kick etc.) and gymnastics (make sure she is AT LEAST capable of doing a kip-up, which we wanna see her do on film cuz it's never not cool af). Get someone to write a script with great dialog so she comes off smart, badass and sexy af (i also want at least 2 epic 80's action era-esque one-liners that the cameraman can hold on her for a a bit after something happens like she is thinking about saying it and then goes "aww f*ck it" and delivers the line with a wry grin anyway). Assemble a gigachad martial arts, stunt and gunfight choreography team (especially find her a body double that you can get away with on longer distance shots that is capable of tricking so you can add a little coolness in during foot chases, no obvious parkour stuff just some cool acrobatics and whatnot sprinkled in so she comes off as able as hell). Hire an armourer with the sense to outfit her with a pair of National Match Springfield V16 45 Super Long Slide 1911's (bonus points if you throw in a scene of her loading them with G9 Defense 45 ACP +P 117 gr External Hollow Points). Hot load all her blanks so they really kick and bark too, no CGI except to get rid of the crimping on the blanks as they eject in slow mo shots or something. Oh i forgot we should also have some room clearing scenes with an MP5 so she needs some time spent training in a kill house with some high speed cool guys as well. Put her in the iconic costume Alison Laura Carroll wore only make it look better (change the shirt to olive drab green so it looks more practical/tactical), use more spandex and give her a proper battle belt and tactical drop leg holsters (with resin pistol duplicates so they don't swing all crazy when she's running like they would with those big heavy 45s in them). Put her in a pair of Rocky S2V Tactical Military Boots and Mechanix M-Pact Fingerless Covert gloves. Braid her hair. Then just have the whole movie be about her being a hot and sexy wrench in the works of all these other parties trying to acquire various artifacts, you wanna set everything up Art of War style so she is always smarter, better, faster, always a step ahead so they are making all these plans but the audience knows when Lara shows up all hell will break loose and they'll end up with a huge body count cuz she just doesn't give a f*ck. Make her the living embodiment of the IASIP phrase: "WILDCARD BITCHES, YEE-HAW!" By the end of the film they should be infuriated with and half scared of her saying sh*t like "how f*ckin hard is it to kill one dumb b*tch?" lol Then all you need is a cameraman and DP that understand this is all about watching her operate. Like a racehorse at a dead run or a big cat pouncing on prey. Oil her up like a bodybuilder so she catches the light, add a couple prosthetic nipple pasties so her nips always look hard, and bring rolls and rolls of double sided tape to keep her tits from popping out of her shirt every two minutes and embrace the gainaxing as she kicks ass and takes names. It also needs to be R-rated so there can be lots of ppl getting shot, blood everywhere, cursing, innappropriate comments and conversations, nudity and just violence in general. Make it for adults ffs. Make her a violent sociopath that just dominates every bad guy with no ham-fisted feminist sh*t shoved in ruining it for everyone. She doesn't need to be a good guy, just better than all the rest of them so we don't feel bad about watching her smoke em all. Make them all vicious PMC types that prey on the locals and do whatever they want with impunity. Make em all racist/xenophobic, mysogynist, homophobes if you want so long as it isn't some allegory painting the fans as the enemy and it's not all straight white men while everyone else are portrayed as better and nobody will consider it woke and boycott it. Give ppl what they want. We wanna see her running, jumping and roll around fighting and grunting, beating and choking ppl to death, plugging motherf*ckers and stealing sh*t lol. Every red blooded man in the audience should be at half mast throughout the entire film and all the women should be thinking "damn...that's f*ckin hot". Show everyone that sex still sells.

The South Park impersonation of Kennedy rings truer every day

I'm to the point where, even if they get the best writers and directors and actors and graphics team and stunt team and everything the best they can possibly find, I still don't trust it to be a good product. They'll find a way to screw it up. It happens every time.

Although it's a female lead character, I'd be pretty certain which sex would be the primary demographic for a proper Tomb Raider film. Bridge is a bit like Zeggler in the sense that studios inexplicably want her to be a thing, despite no apparent interest from the paying customer. Maybe Tomb Raider will finally be the end of her when she makes a mess of it? She likely avoided blame for Indy, being viewed as more an actress than anybody in control of it. She can then move to doing Christmas adverts for M&S.

We say no to budget cuts!

"I bypassed the Compressor" Compressor Engineer "WTF did you do again?"

Well, there was one part of he remasters that definitely wasn't praised. They had a screen that warned of "offensive depictions of people and cultures rooted in racial and ethnic prejudices".

Rhona Mitra was a Lara Croft model when she was young; she’s an actress who can handle weapons convincingly, and she should have played the role on screen, IMO.

Tomb Raider 2013 was pretty solid, despite being essentially a clone of uncharted. Everything after that was naff.

The Phoebe Waller-Bridge Problem sounds like a science fiction tv show. :D Weirdly, I think we're living in that tv show.

Yes, Angelina Jolie nailed the character. She performed her as an adrenaline junkie introvert, which works so well for Lara and her backstory. That's closer to Lara than reboot game Lara ever was to her.

Fleabag wasn’t even “just fine”. “No Time To Die” was very offensive & misandrist.

We don't really know what happened with Solo (A Star Wars Tale), given that most of the original film that Lord and Miller had shot got re-shot. So are the Robot Rebellion plot with its enormous implications for the SW universe, the haunting presence of Fembot in the Millennium Falcon, and pansexual Lando- Lord/Miller's fault, Ron Howard's fault, or PWB's fault?

No shade intended for the Drinker, but once again Nerdrotic proves that he is the most insightful thinker in this group. His brief analysis that Phoebe Waller Bridge is a character actress currently being over hyped because she has the correct politics is spot on. As always Gary is concise, insightful and dead on target.

Proof that it's possible to fail up and have people hate you even more!

Mid 2000s Lara had the balance between fun and drama. It wasn’t perfect but it was a damn sight better than the survivor trilogy

Let's not forget that actors choose which roles they play in. Hollywood may cast Phoebe, but it's up to her to accept the role. Most actors won't play a role they don't like or don't think they can pull off. Hollywood casts Phoebe Waller-Bridge because she likes the characters they give her.

Tomb Raider used to have a male audience. Since the 2013 reboot, it was highly aimed at female players. With that change, the lore changed as well. No longer was she trying to seek out mysteries like her dad found in far away tombs. Now she is trying to save her friends and the world. The wokification of Tomb Raider started when they developed the reboot.

If I remember correctly PWB was showrunner on the early seasons of Killing Eve, back when the show was still very good. Take that into account and it makes much more sense why she's that well regarded.