Key strategy breakdown of this flop action at 6:13 is worth listening to again. Villian's flop check raise doesn't represent as many flush draws as you may think. This more often is a made hand on an Ace high board vs. the preflop raiser, which means if the draw comes in and you are checked to then you have a good spot for a bluff.
@jonathanpham73976 ай бұрын
that river check was cold
@TheMightyDoon6 ай бұрын
First thing hero said "SB is a loose passive tourist type", who then c/r's flop and check/jams river. Those are alarm bells. To me the lesson is remember your initial read and don't get caught up in paralysis by analysis aka "no ones ever took this line with me". When loose passive tourists start c/r'ing and jamming, they have it.
@TheTree16 ай бұрын
I like the way he played it. Until the call at the end.
@afwaller6 ай бұрын
I’m risk averse, with two checks in a row my initial thought is he is salivating to check raise, there’s got to be some of that in the range for this type of player, and I would check back the river. With a made hand that’s beat by some much stronger hands, I would just see who wins without risking more. Leaving some possible value on the table. I recognize this is probably -EV for me in the long run but it’s just my personality.
@alfredwang33916 ай бұрын
I dont like the river sizing, When V's range is so polar and all his value are full houses I dont think a pot size bet is the recipe for success @@TheTree1
@TheTree16 ай бұрын
@@alfredwang3391 I like it he is going to be pretty inelastic in his calls. Just charge his Bluff catchers and fold to his raises he's not gonna have any Bluffs here.
@ashypharaoh84076 ай бұрын
Caller got owned tbh
@wesleykorisky86006 ай бұрын
The turn check by villain sets off my boat alarm.
@Jermo4846 ай бұрын
Eh live players are terrified of everything. He could still so easily have AQ or AJ there and just be afraid of a ten.
@davidm54176 ай бұрын
@@Jermo484both is correct. It is just important to remember the alarm when facing the check raise allin on river...at that point you can exclude AQ/AJ and remember the check on turn
@Jermo4846 ай бұрын
@@davidm5417 yeah, the whole story by the river seemed like either an absurdly fishy bluff or a super thick value hand. But the turn on its own doesn't mean much.
@uncletom066 ай бұрын
This hero is a complete fish. The villain hand is so fucken face up... especially at these stakes.
@jeffshackleford31526 ай бұрын
@@uncletom06idk about at these stakes. But Villain either has nothing or the nuts, and if you think it is over bluffed, then you call. I probably would have called here with the flush draw missing. X/r flop is either a set, 2 pair or flush draw. AT is only like ~8 combos, way less likely than whatever other stuff will be called out the SB. Plus fish tend to over value A rag and think A pair is the nuts, as well as usually not understanding when their 2 pair is counterfeited. Sometimes you just run into top of range, mist of the time you don't, even regs have a hard time keeping bluffs under control on that board.
@danielhenry67776 ай бұрын
I like that bart talked about sizing your bet preflop from the amount you have in your stack. Feel like so many people watch stuff loke hustler casino streams and just call off so light and make 4-7x bb raises just because everyone they play with does, not understanding that people in those games are playing 300+bbs deep and are betting 2.5-3bbs as a open.
@TheTree16 ай бұрын
Everywhere I play has match the stack now. We are all playing between 300 and 3000 big blinds deep. The game is a lot more fun when this is the case.
@danielhenry67776 ай бұрын
maybe in the games you play but even going off crush live poker youtube vids most people I would say are between only 100-200bbs on average and in most games people are opening for a lot more than what is considered normal by theory@@TheTree1
@daviddufresne99056 ай бұрын
@@TheTree1 If you wrote that correctly, those games turn very nitty. I've had to lay down sets on not straight/flush boards because when a player is all in or massively overbetting when stacks are that deep the only thing he can have is a set. Of course every once in awhile you got someone from baccarat and wanted to match the biggest stack in an uncapped game so :D that was some fun, but generally the game was very tough.
@TheTree16 ай бұрын
@@daviddufresne9905 I take it you've never been to Texas I promise you those games are the exact opposite of nitty. Just last night a guy shoved in 800 big blinds with a pair and a gut shot he got called by two pair on the turn.
@markfromct26 ай бұрын
"Is he shorter than you?" "NO. wait I was referring to his chip stack."
@ImperiumLibertas5 ай бұрын
Lmao
@MrPhucktardАй бұрын
I was thinking "ask his girlfriend"😅
@JJ-yn8fl6 ай бұрын
Love this show! I wish they included all the stack(s) though. Sure, the effective stack is very important, but why do they rarely mention the other stacks? If the eff. stack is say $500, and you/the other person(s) has like $5,000 (10 times the eff. stack) VS. you/they have only $550 (nearly the same as the eff. stack), then the way you/your opponent(s) play, and what you should consider when making your decisions should often be a major part of it.
@deiterprussing6 ай бұрын
Whenever it’s relevant they mention it
@chefmikeankh64346 ай бұрын
Love how he break down the hands👍🏾
@stevezagieboylo91726 ай бұрын
What about KQs, QJs, KJs, J9s, Q9s? Those are all in his range and need to bluff at the end.
@Getnodrama6 ай бұрын
Would rarely check raise the flop with an Ace when the hero raised preflop dont you think
@pot_kivach1606 ай бұрын
14:03 _what hands play this way"_ V is polar. Either a monster hand (FH) or busted flush draw. I disagree that AK/AQ would check turn and river. (of course, depending on V profile. Some fish would risk to lose river values by checking with the top pair top kicker) Therefore: I'm checking back. (No weaker hand would call, nor stronger would fold).
@EllieBanks3336 ай бұрын
I like your thinking overall. I do think AQ or AJ might check-call river though. I don't think a small thin value bet is crazy. I thought caller went too big. $150 is not the worst play.
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
@EllieBanks333 that's makes sense. AQ might x/c river due to paired board. . V played smart all streets. Put H on a draw...so, turn check is a must, then river check, too. Give H opportunit to either bet busted draws, or bet a made draw. And that's exactly what happen. Again, flop raise call is very very questionable.
@gamblingguru22354 ай бұрын
The only bluff I’d try on the turn is a pot size bet but ya 10 a rly bad card here rly don’t mind checking bc the card just sucks maybe u hit ur hand on river
@alfredwang33916 ай бұрын
I think the question here is if V is capable of turning A8 into a bluff, if so its a clear call if not then there is not many natural bluffs thats taking XR, X, XR line.
@nolimitpoker6 ай бұрын
I agree the bluff will be a8 if he’s a pro. Thing is with the spr being so low. I don’t think any human is bluffing this spot.
@pot_kivach1606 ай бұрын
@@nolimitpoker the question here is: what would made V believing H would bet river, to enable his x/r bluffing?? I do not see that ground. Unless he is a lunatic. So: no bluff.
@jacobgoldman57806 ай бұрын
@potkivach160 if it goes check check on River villain should never lose with an ace here.
@pot_kivach1606 ай бұрын
@@jacobgoldman5780 Then, why's not V betting with pair of A or better?? River card does not complete any draws...(unless V is god and knew H had 79! Even the God would be wondering: _does he really have 79!_ ). . And then: if checked river, worrying about tripple T by H, then it's not the bluff. What if H bets with TX hand??, One cannot read V hand both ways: to give him credit for checking river with pair of A and saying he is bluffing. It could be either or. Since he x/r river, then another scenario applies. The one H cost tonnes of chips.
@JohnSmith-nx7zj6 ай бұрын
@@jacobgoldman5780problem with that logic is I think most villains might be tempted to just check-call with A8 because hero can also have a lot of missed draws he decides to bluff with, like J9, QJ and some spade draws. When hero checks behind turn it looks exactly like hero has a draw and wants to see another card (which he does) and the only draw that gets there is 97s. Everything else bricks out.
@twlevewinshs61566 ай бұрын
Is it all that crazy to check the river back on the paired board . Villain raised the flop he has A10 A8 1010 88 KQs KJs and a small portion of other flush draw miss . People rarely raise AQ AJ on the flop vs preflop raiser (also 3 bet pre a lot oop ). So what value are we left with to bet
@prob_theory17516 ай бұрын
Overfold the river check jam @2/5. Bluffs would continue bluffing on turn (IMO). Felt like A 10, 8 8, 10 8.
@Jermo4846 ай бұрын
Plenty of bluffs give up since they're no longer drawing to anything close to the nuts and they aren't getting hero to fold trips, a boat or quads obviously. That's literally the worst card in the deck for someone check raising flop as a bluff.
@skelthouser27306 ай бұрын
Pretty amusing reading about everyone saying easy fold. I'm betting that 90 percent of those saying that reluctantly make the same call!
@brianpotter28126 ай бұрын
14:05 - checking turns is either a full house (I would still bet here OOP if I think my opponent is on a draw or has a hand like Ax to get value from those, but I would bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot. Other hands that could check here are Ax and they're afraid of the IP player having 10x of spades (10-Q, 10-K, 10-J) as now trips has them beat.
@EllieBanks3336 ай бұрын
I need to start at the river, because reasons. I think this is a fold. Bart seems to agree that it's a fold, but thinks it's close because of pot odds. I don't understand that because I cannot find any in-between hands. This is air or a boat. Unless you want to pretend villain has our same hand of 97 & I refuse to believe V has the spade version. And I agree with Bart that this is not TXss. This board texture is a bit weird because we really don't have any other hand here in the sense of say making a pair. In other words, if the river was a 7, would we call? It gets a bit messed up because that 7 would bring in something like a J9 for V. But lets pretend it didn't, we just have a pair of 7s. Is our hand strength really any different? I think there is 1135 in pot and we have 465 to call, so like 2.5 to 1 right? If we were getting 3 to 1, we need to win 1 in 4 right? That's 25%. I think the idea hero is good here 25% of the time is funny. I have to put V on a spade draw, so KQ KJ QJ J9. Then he has to check turn & then check-jam river. So now then, why did I start at the river? Because this is a trivial fold on the flop.
@pontus31426 ай бұрын
If you're going to call with one hand on the river, what would it be? 97s as the highest value, or A8s to block the boats?
@JohnSmith-nx7zj6 ай бұрын
Tx might be better than 97s if hero even has any Tx by the river. Especially Txdd, but I don’t know that bet-calls the flop and then checks behind on turn.
@gamblingguru22354 ай бұрын
Good analysis by Bart on this hand
@AntonTungan3 ай бұрын
Knowing that he had AT. How would you rate Villains strategy/line once he boats up? I mean, if you check turn and gets checked back. At these stakes, isn’t another check on the river just gonna lead to yet another check back in most cases, and you will have missed out on 2 streets of value?
@rigatoni92676 ай бұрын
just have a question, could you have checked the flop for a free turn card would = easier to read the hand while the pots smaller?
@johnanthonycreative5 ай бұрын
Then you aren’t folding out hands like 77, 99, JJ, QQ, QT, JT, etc. You are turning your hand face up that you dont have an Ace so unless you hit your hand its going to very hard to make money in the long run. Sounds way too passive to me, if you are 3B hands like 79s then you should be betting your draws
@NewEnglandFish6 ай бұрын
The ONLY hands V shows up with here that aren't boats are Tx of spades, and Bart said it well - I highly doubt players at 2/5 are taking that line.
@timbok836 ай бұрын
Bart, you are going to break the game of poker if you keep this up.
@JQpoker6 ай бұрын
Really tough spot…. Has anyone ever called a river check raise and been good?
@AddisonSipes-jx8yl6 ай бұрын
Cold blooded line by villian.
@dan224826 ай бұрын
For the opponent I feel like the double check makes more sense with 10x than A10. He wants to unblock the A so hero can go for value on the river and he can get in the check raise.
@Texasfishingfamily6 ай бұрын
Six clean outs as stated by the caller is not correct. Any jack gives KQ the nuts so you are looking at 3 outs to the nuts only. Of course Bart points this out after I typed it. lol
@uncletom066 ай бұрын
Hero is a massive fish.
@averymyles2256 ай бұрын
Hand was a roller coaster I would have called flop too knowing he had a made hand then the turn in really think probably A8 or 8 full then the river check raise is always with a made hand I don’t see rec players take this line ever with a busted flush especially with a Ace on the board hard to piece together in the moment tho keep grinding
@JasonG1236 ай бұрын
Whats the worst hand that villan check raises the flop with and jams with on the river? K10s or Q10s?
@user-ce8jh2eq1j6 ай бұрын
A missed combo draw. Lots of draws check turn when board pairs esspecially when hero calls the check raise on the flop indicating he likely has an ace that doesn't want to fold.
@EllieBanks3336 ай бұрын
I think putting V on TXss when he check-jams this river is wishful thinking.
@pot_kivach1606 ай бұрын
@@user-ce8jh2eq1j and what's CO betting river with (?). Bluffing by SB makes no sense; nor x/r with TX (unless that X is A or 8!! ).
@fluffysheap6 ай бұрын
Nobody is check raising flop with QT or KT, which are only middle pair. Check raise on the flop is either a combo draw or 2P/set.
@JohnSmith-nx7zj6 ай бұрын
@@fluffysheapI think he’s only suggesting Tx hands that are also a spade draw. Txss is a combo draw. T9ss has 15 outs vs (say) AK. I think we all agree than no one is check-raising QT of hearts.
@a_canal6 ай бұрын
I like an over bet on river. If we think villain has an Ace. He blocks all full houses and will look you up. If he raises your overbet it’s an easy fold
@newstandardaccount4 ай бұрын
To me this looked like A10 a lot by the river. Are people really x-raising AK on the flop that often? Plus, villain will be raising that preflop a good percentage of the time. On the flop I'd think it could be pocket 10s or pocket 8s, or 10-8 or A10, but only one of those hands would want to check turn & river. Villain probably thinks he has so much of the board locked up, and hero might have a flush draw that he thinks the way to maximize value is via inducing a bluff.
@Search32326 ай бұрын
Should’ve folded on the reraise flop esp with a flush draw on a 80$ pot lol
@livinaskipp83546 ай бұрын
Yeah and show everyone you're easy to play against lol
@Search32326 ай бұрын
@@livinaskipp8354 pick a better spot maybe n let that ego go. id rather let everyone think im ez anyway.
@frederikmarohn63586 ай бұрын
On the A high board I think V has to assume the hero’s range likes this board, decreasing the incentive to bluff. Plus if he does have trips or two pair having a straight becomes extremely profitable when it hits.
@Search32326 ай бұрын
@@frederikmarohn6358 relying on hitting ur open ended with no flush possibilities on a reraise flop is just not that logical. Ur reasoning is so pot hungry and hopeful, and doesn’t improve ur long game strategy. Kinda sounds like ur hoping for the best possible outcome every time u run into this board texture.
@JohnSmith-nx7zj6 ай бұрын
@@livinaskipp8354not like you have to show your hand and you’re folding against a passive villain who check raised you on an A-high board. I don’t think aware players at the table are going to take that as a sign you’re easy to bluff.
@RodMassey-ep6zq5 ай бұрын
10/10 does not seem to have been even considered.
@martincarducci14196 ай бұрын
Look at the board. The strait was well hidden. Wouldn't the villain bet the flop most of the time out of position?
@walterfisher57496 ай бұрын
A-10 or pocket 10's were my call on this. On the flop. I'm going check check turn river. Just sayin.Check raised flop on a draw and I don't have the flush and no made hand? Gone.
@5starUBERabba6 ай бұрын
From experience, when a SB executes a check raise on multiple streets, they almost always have the goods. Before the reveal, my first thought was 10s for the villian. Chasing and/or making the nut straight into an already paired board is never a good spot.
@stoljc052 ай бұрын
A10 off no spade makes perfect sense here to be honest
@bamabum1234567896 ай бұрын
Folding’s only “exploitable” if you can’t find any bluffs. Anyone who’s played with you long enough to “exploit” you… you’ll find some of these bluffs and call sometimes
@thaThRONe6 ай бұрын
This is a fold a large portion of the time especially against unknown players. Not too many players jamming all in after two checks unless it's the effective nuts. I'm with Bart I think the time to bet is on the turn. It he x/r again or hell even calls you have to assume your bear for sure.
@gamblingguru22354 ай бұрын
I’m going 180 on the river and ya I’m calling it sucks prob has A10 but F it don’t know what happened
@TheVigilantEye776 ай бұрын
Queen outs ?
@armaansinha33602 ай бұрын
That was an easy check back on the river
@danielmeuler28775 ай бұрын
This line in low stakes is Rarely anything less than a full house on the River. Only a drunk or a Cpt. Blastoff is ever doing this with less.
@fluffysheap6 ай бұрын
MDF is just not a thing at 2-5 or below
@MrAntup6 ай бұрын
Why not check back the river?
@drkxl26 ай бұрын
imo A8o/s can be counted as a bluff combo here, too much?
@hsubox6 ай бұрын
Couldn't 10s be for value on that run out?
@Laf-Adventures3 ай бұрын
BART falls for the trap 😂
@rppoker85416 ай бұрын
He got max from the fish
@johnathanreynolds11086 ай бұрын
Trapping with a made hand on flop always feels good ngl😂
@Delajoyason6 ай бұрын
i can’t tell if Bart is smirking at the beginning because of the sheer amount of PA callers he gets lmao
@theacidscreen6 ай бұрын
i think he was trying not to laugh at "we're $800 effective and im the effective stack" 🤣
@jackjourneay5846 ай бұрын
is this Stu from Californication?
@pot_kivach1606 ай бұрын
7:32 I'd fold here (flop x/r). Not enough equity to continue. Open ender has only 6 outs (8 - 2 spades). Paying 24% risk with only 12% equity does not work. So, pot odds with implied odds are not in place.
@cafferacerАй бұрын
This particular vid is like get crushed by better players than you. And my job as Brad is to help you so pay me
@loco4dogg6 ай бұрын
6 clean outs to the nuts on the flop? I only see 3 to the nuts with the 6s cause any J won't give him the nuts.
@TheTree16 ай бұрын
This guy is a moron
@terrysword77396 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? Or just shut it off after he said that
@TheTree16 ай бұрын
@@terrysword7739 he never corrected himself Bart had to correct him basically calling him a moron.
@pot_kivach1606 ай бұрын
exactly! Calling flop raise is looking for troubles. And, sure enough, it never takes too much to find one!
@Fred-rg5vw6 ай бұрын
It's 50 to call ..pot is 180 and if 6 hits on turn you get is stack. Maybe I'm a fish lol..but would never fold to the flop raise.
@cafferacerАй бұрын
This is like 2003 2 + 2 in vid form
@jbbruno81156 ай бұрын
There is an old-school theory that you never bet a flush or straight draw into a paired flop. Additionally, I would never bet the river here given the action. You’re giving the SB too much credit for a semi-bluff with his check raise flop. Two pairs make more sense, or possibly a set, though I think a set might CR bigger to get rid of draws. I absolutely do not bet this river and either a)lose my equity by letting SB bluff me off hand, or b) fall into this trap with A-!0 makes most sense, followed by A-8, followed by 8-8 (which I think might have 3-bet pre flop) . Completely disagree with Bart and caller that they never check this back, and not because of the result.
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
right. Busted draw would not pay a dime...and if V jams, then...is he bluffing or he has nuts?? Putting myself in a stupid spot for a fistful od dollars?? Beside: I don't think that an A would checked turn and river back. Simply: one who x/r flop with an A, would not checked plain river card. . funny, that the MUST river bet advice is contradicting to the headline of the video??
@PeteyPablo16 ай бұрын
how come he never put him on 10's or 8s?
@MacksBet282 ай бұрын
13:00
@avengingblowfish96536 ай бұрын
As a fishy 2/5 player, I’m thinking, why couldn’t it be a missed flush bluff? I’d consider it if I were V…
@fluffysheap6 ай бұрын
There are too many strong hands here that won't fold. Hero has already called a check raise on the flop and then the straight and full house both came in. Your only real bluff target would be AK type hands. Everything weaker already folded on the flop and everything stronger isn't folding.
@Jermo4846 ай бұрын
What a wildly irresponsible way to play AT. He's so absurdly lucky you hit 1 of 3 cards that let you call.
@mikeb24724 ай бұрын
This guy sounds like Stephen Tobolowski
@bryanjohnson81626 ай бұрын
👍👍
@Dynamice13376 ай бұрын
"I've got an open ended straight draw, not counting spades I have 6 outs to the nuts..." Um no, no you don't. You have 3 outs to the nuts. Only non spade 6's
@Daniel-fo9jf6 ай бұрын
really bad call, Hero can easily have 88, TT, AA or AT. 97 is nowhere near the top of hero's range.
@alexandrusebastian74956 ай бұрын
Villain had quads 😂
@stevenundisclosed60916 ай бұрын
Beware of the boats. Villain is clearly a donkey. Shame on the hero for calling the river jam.
@1vailchris6 ай бұрын
Oof. Think I just bet super small on the river here, and fold to a raise. This V's line makes my spider sense tingle. No way fish is jamming as a bluff, and there isn't much worse value that takes this line.
@Badbentham6 ай бұрын
Makes a whole lot of sense, as it may allow some bluffs ( e.g. with J9s) for the same size. - I could see Villain having especially A8s, but AQ makes also sense, so there could still be some value in playing small bet- (snap) fold.
@EllieBanks3336 ай бұрын
Hey buddy. It feels like it's been awhile. Anyways, your favorite nit folded on the flop here. Nice to see ya.
@1vailchris6 ай бұрын
@anks333It has been a while. Good to see you. Took a break from commenting here to comment on 2+2. Just as many loons and d1cks there as here. Curiously, one woman there I thought might be you - similarly self-described, playing in similar-sounding games, similar tone to her comments. Not you, though, unless she was / you were lying to me about it. Been seeing some hands like this recently, with OOP x'r'ing flop and checking turn, or donking flop and going bet-bet-bet, on boards where there isn't much hero can do but bluff-catch or fold river - "5th street chicken".
@gamblingguru22354 ай бұрын
All that being said donks exist and there are ppl who would go all in on u with just 3 10s
@cafferacerАй бұрын
Is Brad a “you def shoulda called vs the nuts” influencer guy? Wtf is going on I watched like 15 vids and is Brad on drugs? Hes like “ya I call there” what!!????
@xNorthern6 ай бұрын
this is weird being this early
@Fred-rg5vw6 ай бұрын
Lol considered folding on flop ? Never an option
@Getnodrama6 ай бұрын
Nit easy coz you tell yourself if you get the straight you ll get more from his ace. With super deep stacks maybe. Floo fold was the right decision