CULTURAL/GENERATIONAL Narcissists: Everything you need to know (Part 3/3)

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@andreamagyar7776
@andreamagyar7776 4 жыл бұрын
This circus stops with me. I owe that to that little girl once I was. To have a loving " mother" now. Me. 😊
@djbee8888
@djbee8888 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!!💓grow!
@lordannapier4286
@lordannapier4286 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! You brought tears to my eyes. I can't put into words the depth of emotions you just stirred in my heart. Stay happy:)
@AnnaGirardini
@AnnaGirardini 4 жыл бұрын
You go sister! ❤️ You'll make it! ❤️ All my love to you
@NS-uq9st
@NS-uq9st 4 жыл бұрын
😘😘😘😘
@andreamagyar7776
@andreamagyar7776 4 жыл бұрын
@@lordannapier4286 all of you are so sweet. ☺
@antaresmajor
@antaresmajor 4 жыл бұрын
"To the entitled, equality feels like oppression."
@angelapierce7934
@angelapierce7934 Жыл бұрын
Beautifully put. YES>
@DevorahTafus
@DevorahTafus 4 жыл бұрын
Once as a child, I said something about child abuse and my narcissist mother said "Oh, you think you're being abused? You don't know what abuse is until you've had blood running down into your shoes from being whipped. I vowed I wouldn't treat my children that way." So, let me get this straight - because you were abused, any lesser abuse can't really be abuse because it wasn't as bad as yours, or wasn't physical? That doesn't make sense.
@PreYeah
@PreYeah 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's very unfortunate! Narcs in general don't see things objectively. Everything is subjective or relational to them and depends on their mood, neuroticism etc. Objectively, yes, abuse is abuse regardless of what form it takes. Subjectively/relationally in the narc's world, it's "not abuse unless so-and-so". This also has them always comparing notes, keeping score etc. Very damaging, and instead of breaking the cycle, this is how they unwittingly pass on their conditioning and baggage to the next generation. And this is how we get doomed to relive their lives instead of being prepared to be our own individuals.
@cathyhunley4882
@cathyhunley4882 2 жыл бұрын
Been Here before. My parents still make fun of me because I told them I was calling CPS on them after my mother beat me with a very thick belt and hit me with the buckle for 1/2 hour straight asking “why are you flinching?!!!” “Is that boyfriend hitting you??????!” No mom. You were. You were nuts!
@cindyrogers9789
@cindyrogers9789 2 жыл бұрын
I feel sick to my stomach.
@villasoka884
@villasoka884 2 жыл бұрын
Gaslighting!
@jjj8j-3487
@jjj8j-3487 Жыл бұрын
I struggled for many years about calling my father's behavior abuse because he never hit us. And my mom would tell us how harsh his childhood was, including beatings. She was implying just what you said - because he was "better" than his parents, we should accept how he was and just learn to cope with it. She rationalized it as "preparing" us to deal with people in the world who would treat us badly. It took a very long time for me to see how effed up it is to tell a child that it's their job to learn to live with psychological abuse from a parent.
@sathvik221
@sathvik221 4 жыл бұрын
Dr ramani please do video on how South Asian Culture enables narcissism. Respecting elders means enabling abuse. Emphasis on education means unrealistic high expectations and using children as trophies. Father as head of household is used as excuse to control. I am also like you raised by Telugu immigrants but brought up in America.
@cindyc
@cindyc 4 жыл бұрын
When we recognize the pattern, it is time to end the cycle.
@genevalawrence801
@genevalawrence801 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani, I hope you do find the funding and the time to do further research on cultural/generational narcissism, because I think it is part of an ugly feedback loop that keeps our societies from becoming more compassionate and more humane. Damage begets damage, and damaged people make or preserve public policies that perpetuate the cycle. Opening people's eyes to this and breaking the cycle would benefit us all.
@ginageorgio814
@ginageorgio814 4 жыл бұрын
My parents tried to force me into arrange marriage with a man knowing I was a lesbian..Greek Cypriots old ! .I stood up to them because I lived in UK and felt empowered and supported by friends and gay community x
@sandeeg8032
@sandeeg8032 4 жыл бұрын
Much love sent to you Gina. You are a very brave woman. Blessings, Sands
@ginageorgio814
@ginageorgio814 4 жыл бұрын
@@sandeeg8032 thank you x
@ginageorgio814
@ginageorgio814 4 жыл бұрын
@Juju Coyote thanks.x
@whatwazthat16
@whatwazthat16 3 жыл бұрын
Be safe and don't go back there, protect yourself one lez to another!
@nelumbonucifera148
@nelumbonucifera148 4 жыл бұрын
Expression of emotions and opinions was considered as defiance in the culture I was raised in. We are expected to endure silently in the name of family loyalty and respect for elders, which made it very difficult to establish boundaries. Narcissistic traits in them compounded the problems and showing compassion resulted in further manipulation and exploitation.
@JW-sr1rb
@JW-sr1rb 4 жыл бұрын
Amen!! I got out of my relationship/church 11 years ago, but because by the time I left I had 4 children ages 1 year though 6 years old, my children now 10 -15 years old have to still go from a healthy emotion filled home to an unhealthy keep your mouth shut because you're just a child filled home... The guilt I feel for putting them in that situation is hard to deal with and I pray this doesn't cause some kind of multiple personality disorder, narcissism, etc with my children. I can only hope what I'm teaching them wins out in the end...
@nelumbonucifera148
@nelumbonucifera148 4 жыл бұрын
J W, I can relate to that. I did the same to protect my children from the toxicity and unhealthy, oppressive vicious cycle, hoping the exposure outside of that dynamics will help them understand that healthy relationships include freedom to express themselves. My best wishes to you and your children for a safe and blessed journey😊
@TreeBeother
@TreeBeother 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly this. I'm glad to know I'm not alone in this but I also feel for all of you who are dealing with this. In my home it's all logic and reasoning and any feelings you have need to be justified and are a debate on whether my feelings are correct. The invalidation has suppressed my feeling for years and am now just coming to my own understanding of this. I just out out my first boundary and it feels good. it was scary but the time to take care of my self worth and family is over due. Take care.
@indiesindie1984
@indiesindie1984 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Nucifera, you must know my family. You perfectly described the dynamics of my toxic, dysfunctional family cult!
@dotnb
@dotnb 2 жыл бұрын
YES!!! My family. I was made to think I was mad for not toeing the line. I get this totally. Hope you are healing OK.
@ivan1793
@ivan1793 4 жыл бұрын
That bit on how privileged groups play victim when historically beaten groups start gaining rights was everything. This series could not have come in a better time. Thank you so so much dr Ramani.
@MaureenWHamblin
@MaureenWHamblin 3 жыл бұрын
Yeeessss!!! 👌🏿
@user-ot8vt7hz5q
@user-ot8vt7hz5q 3 жыл бұрын
This is where I failed. I knew the intergenerational and cultural back story of the elders in my family. It was full of trauma and deprivation. Affection, kindness and expression of feelings and sentiments was not built into the model that was passed down over the generations. It was highly patriarchal, fueled by a sense of duty towards elders just because they brought us into the world, absolved the elders from the duty of good and wholesome parenting, discriminative at best and devoid of compassion. Expression of emotions was seen as a sign of an excitable nature that needs to be supressed. And I inherited all of it. My father turned into this covert narc, brimming with resentment at the loss of control when his daughters grew up and became financially independent. My mom grew covertly resentful of the fact that her daughters were able to grab opportunities and educate themselves to become independent, something she never got to do herself because of her family and later on because of my controlling father. Whenever she went into a bad mood she would look down on us and our efforts by saying somethimg like "whats the point of working so hard. Its not like you are going to be a big and famous person. You are all going to end up as someones wives some day." I was able to partly identify the need to create boundaries and a soul distance from them but I wasnt able to do it with compassion. I became restless and impatient. I had already personalised the abuse during my growing years and felt trapped by it. But despite that dynamic I still loved them in a way. But I am not proud of the way I handled it. I wish I could have found Dr. Ramani or even the phenomena called narcissistic abuse back then.
@glenngouldchann
@glenngouldchann 4 жыл бұрын
This topic was the most difficult one to explain conceptually and without giving vivid examples. That must have been very difficult for Dr. Ramani. My husband would ask therapists, "Are there ethnic groups who are culturally sociopathic or narcissistic?" The therapists are not allowed to say anything but "No" because saying Yes means politically incorrect. "Dr. Ramani risked so much in this topic without being politically incorrect. Hats off to you, Dr. Ramani!
@tiablasangoriti8347
@tiablasangoriti8347 3 жыл бұрын
That's a major generalization that misses the mark on many different levels. One must never place whole cultures and Ethnic Groups into one box. Remember that. Now you know.
@glenngouldchann
@glenngouldchann 3 жыл бұрын
@@tiablasangoriti8347 In my experience, that's not the case. I can predict behaviors of one or more cultures. How one must think or should not think doesn't matter. "How things are" matters.
@tiablasangoriti8347
@tiablasangoriti8347 3 жыл бұрын
Well then we'll agree to disagree. 20 million people from a group will never all act the same. There are at least ten variables. Anyway I am not going to waste my energy on someone who is indoctrinated with decades of bias. Peace and good luck with that distorted world schema. 50 PhDs agree with me.
@glenngouldchann
@glenngouldchann 3 жыл бұрын
@@tiablasangoriti8347 Good luck to you. I can tell you're young. You remind me of myself when I was young. It's a . Just like you can, sometimes but not always, tell a driver's race, gender, class, sexual orientation and/or ethnic group just by seeing how he/she drives. It's the younger people's prerogative to be sophomoric. I personally escaped my own culture, but very few do. Majority are prone to cultural mores and ethnocentricity. And please remember what I stated was what I , nothing categorical like you're chastising me for.
@srfrancium9728
@srfrancium9728 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the thing with it not being "politically correct" is if you associate cultural differences with race and are excluding a group from having a culture. Americans with non migrant parents definitely have cultural issues with entitlement and narcissism when it comes to the relationship between parent and children. Ironically enough with parents being dismissive of their children's beliefs, have conditional love based on achievement from the parent projecting themselves onto the child, dating someone of a different ethnicity/ "race", bring lgbtq+, etc etc. If you can spot how culture can influence narcissism in one group and not another it doesn't mean that the other group doesn't have that same issue, it just means you don't know what factors those would be.
@homefryniles3983
@homefryniles3983 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani, I cannot express how important, I think, is your integration of psychological and sociological information to understand narcissism, with your articulation of the culture/history of people, down to the individual's level of how to manage, etc. Thank you so much. I can see a book here, a depthful exploration of history and culture. And how valuable this is to clinicians---cultural diversity and practitioner competence.
@eleanororourke9316
@eleanororourke9316 4 жыл бұрын
Homefry Niles totally agree, Dr Ramani you are amazing thank you for your generosity in giving this community the knowledge and skills to do better
@rosiemckinney1061
@rosiemckinney1061 3 жыл бұрын
My eyes have been opened, and I cannot thank you enough. If you need more case history of multigenerational cultural narcissism I have quite a story to tell.
@debbiekillewald8384
@debbiekillewald8384 4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly how it is. I was never allowed to have negative feelings. I could never express them. I made these excuses for friends as well as family.
@carolinekamya2339
@carolinekamya2339 2 жыл бұрын
exactly
@sanjanabhatia5156
@sanjanabhatia5156 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Ramani. This explains my dysfunctional relationship with my immigrant, Indian mother. To my mom: Your involvement in my journey is complete Thank you for playing your part Some people are for a reason Some people are for a season Some people are for a lifetime For the sake of self preservation and protecting my sanity, my nervous system, my health and my family, I will now let you go I am no longer your source of supply I say goodbye so I can be the real me. 🦋🙏😊🌸💞
@p1ratesarrawesome
@p1ratesarrawesome 4 жыл бұрын
I swear I took pictures on this background for picture day in elementary school lol! Nostalgia! Thanks for everything Dr. R!!
@chocolatesugar4434
@chocolatesugar4434 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@chocolatesugar4434
@chocolatesugar4434 4 жыл бұрын
It's quite comforting...i think some thought was behind this lol 🤔
@RyanNamTV
@RyanNamTV 4 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHA
@dianerunsvold937
@dianerunsvold937 4 жыл бұрын
@Daisy351 q 11th
@Rain9Quinn
@Rain9Quinn 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣👍🏻
@pebblebrookbooks4852
@pebblebrookbooks4852 4 жыл бұрын
I gave up on my family. I have never been so serene and peaceful in all my life, tho.
@amandagonzales860
@amandagonzales860 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing for me, thank you for this video, I live in Italy with my Italian fiance and it sounds like she's describing Italian toxic culture, as beautiful as Italy is and it's artistic and impressive history there is a dark undercurrent going on. The stereotypes are funny in movies but far more damaging in reality.
@amandagonzales860
@amandagonzales860 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video a step by step guide on how to deal with cultural narcissism and maintain sanity 😅
@vickibazter3446
@vickibazter3446 4 жыл бұрын
I am with you. 100%.
@giannapoirier3799
@giannapoirier3799 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@giannapoirier3799
@giannapoirier3799 4 жыл бұрын
@@vickibazter3446 interesting
@nahmastay7497
@nahmastay7497 4 жыл бұрын
Sam Vaknin speaks on something similar regarding Germany. I lived there for 4 years and it’s quite apparent.
@Chris.Walters
@Chris.Walters 4 жыл бұрын
This video was amazing. My ex was Serbian and she felt that she was victimized by everyone else because of the action taken against them in the 90’s, including the bombings. She was very young and I believe her parents were preoccupied with just surviving and therefore didn’t teach her things like empathy. Her nationalism was everything to her family. Her covert narcissism was evident and she played the victim in every situation with me. The relationship was guilt ridden and horrible.
@juditfelvinc1114
@juditfelvinc1114 4 жыл бұрын
I'm from Serbia, but not Serbian by nationality, and I can assure you it is true what you stated.
@tenzen8334
@tenzen8334 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Walters thank you for sharing. Helps me understand a Serbian colleague who is very harsh, brooding and feels like she will explode at any moment. I don't take it personally any more and keep realistic expectations around her. She is a great worker.
@ohwell9481
@ohwell9481 4 жыл бұрын
i think my dad became an overt narcissist because men in his culture are put in a pedestal and coddled and my mom became a covert narcissist because in their culture all women are seen as worthless. either way that’s no excuse for what they have done to me and my siblings.
@rosiemckinney1061
@rosiemckinney1061 3 жыл бұрын
you arent alone.
@SW-kc3qq
@SW-kc3qq 3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@nikstar1313
@nikstar1313 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@wchiwinky
@wchiwinky 4 жыл бұрын
Even though I made generational excuses for my dad most of my adult life, I feel proud that I never bought into his patriarchal and mysogynist propaganda and criticism of me. I knew when I was 13 that I never wanted to get married, and at 62, I still don't regret that decision =D...and my son is awesome and has not one ounce of narcissism, yAy! ( I did have a mother who was extraordinary though, from whom I learned valuable life skills ) Thank You Doctor Ramani for sharing your brilliant knowledge!
@jjj8j-3487
@jjj8j-3487 Жыл бұрын
How interesting that 13 was a turning point for you. I was 13 when I realized that there was no point in trying to have a meaningful conversation with my father. After that I would be polite but never attempt to engage on any topic - sort of a gray rock approach, though I only recently learned that term. Over the years since then, I made a few attempts to have an actual conversation when I thought it was important, but I always regretted it. My mom was very loving, and like you, I learned some good things from her. But she made excuses for my dad that (as Dr. Ramani points out) were in effect gaslighting. And like you, I learned to make those same excuses for him. She wanted to believe that he was secretly a good person who just couldn't express his love for us. I understand why she needed to rationalize like that, but unfortunately she was mistaken.
@dianelamorticella6053
@dianelamorticella6053 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not so complicated. My mother had a very traumatic childhood and I became her punching bag for it. But my brother is up on a pedestal and she actually wanted him.
@Rain9Quinn
@Rain9Quinn 3 жыл бұрын
😢🤗
@parisjej
@parisjej 3 жыл бұрын
Same happened to my sister and I
@doowop6636
@doowop6636 Жыл бұрын
What an incredible series. I really needed to hear Dr. Ramani say that this does not have to be my destiny. I will fight for my healing so fiercely. I wish anyone reading this the best of luck in breaking your own familial/cultural cycles.
@dkec20
@dkec20 4 жыл бұрын
I was in a very bad place bc i didnt understand what i was going trough. Then I came across this channel and I am sooo grateful. My life completely changed my menthal health everything. It all became clear, I watch at least 2 videos a day it helps me get trough it all. Thank you so much dr ramani❤️
@iwanttobreakfree8324
@iwanttobreakfree8324 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Ramani, I can't thank you enough for speaking about such an uncomfortable topic so clearly. Being an Indian Muslim woman myself, at the peak of my career and in the prime of my life, I'm constantly being forced to give up on my dreams and aspirations to be a *good Muslim* wife and be dutiful to my parents just to marry within the community. You have no idea how much this video has been an eye opener for someone like me who was always an apologist towards the narcissistic behaviour of my family members. You've encouraged me to take charge of my life, break free from these cultural norms and be an independent woman who lives on her own terms(which I pretty much am already doing). More power to you! ❤️❤️❤️
@Thereservedcharismatic
@Thereservedcharismatic 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. As a first gen immigrant child, this was my childhood. Thanks doc. Let’s break these generational curses!
@ellenor4384
@ellenor4384 3 жыл бұрын
Mind blown 🤯 I've spent the last few months watching your videos trying to gain insight on the narcissist I've dealt with. With each video I've watched, I've gained more understanding about the Covert narcissist in which I was involved, the one I pitied, and the one I tried so desperately to show love. He's an ex-amish man who left the Amish community only 2 years ago ... and after watching this video, I have an entirely new perspective on the situation. While this does not excuse the behavior, it sheds light on the "why" behind the behavior which gives me some peace. Thank you, Dr. Ramani. Exactly what I needed. 🙌
@starlabaker7563
@starlabaker7563 2 жыл бұрын
I'm hiding under the covers watching your videos. Im crying. You are very right. I must make the change if I want to survive. I will not be victim blamed and I will try my damnest to not have a victimized attitude as well. Thank you.
@lasphynge8001
@lasphynge8001 4 жыл бұрын
I usually end important relationships with a letter or email, before going no-contact (but I skip the letter for more casual friendships or people who might be dangerous). I won't lie, I do it in big part for my personal catharsis. But I always try to make it compassionate, sometimes even thankful, just so that the toxic person will have *some* input about their behaviour. They can take it or leave it, once it's sent, it's not my problem anymore. But I struggle with the idea of the person being left *only* with their narcissistic rage or disdain against me to work from - even if it's unlikely they will ever want to work on themselves, at least I gave them an honest chance, and it's there on the table even after I leave. I never really theorized it, but now that I think of it, they usually follow more or less the same layout: I try to state objectively what happened and what they did that motivated me to "break-up"; I tell them what I would have considered a more acceptable behaviour on their part, how we talked about it before and how I gave them several opportunities to do that instead; I say I'm not angry but rather saddened and that I truly wish we didn't have to fall appart, but I absolutely cannot accept what they did or assume they are unaware of it at this point; I thank them for the good times, the good things they brought in my life, I warn them I won't be answering any more, and I bid them farewell. Usually I simply get no response at all. Sometimes I get a very angry answer. And only once, long after the break-up and the letter (and after first getting very angry responses) I eventually got news from the guy years later, who said among other things that he cringed, thinking back on how he treated me at the time, and he hopes I'm happy now (could look like hoovering, but he didn't try to pursue me again or anything after that, we just shared news once and then continued our separate paths). So, it happens, rarely, I'm not even sure if it really means my letter did anything, maybe life just took care of him, but either way I guess I'm glad I did it, even if it was probably vain in most cases (at least I do get my final catharsis in the process). Have realistic expectations if you write such a last letter, and be prepared to get an angry answer (then do not respond, remember it was a LAST letter) or no answer at all (and you shouldn't care!).
@chocolatesugar4434
@chocolatesugar4434 4 жыл бұрын
When she said generational and 'cultural' narcissism I thought omg Dr Ramani is about to go IN!
@TLW369
@TLW369 2 жыл бұрын
…Yes! 👏
@shannonjones4895
@shannonjones4895 4 жыл бұрын
This was mindblowing! Thank you for explaining this life changing knowledge. I truly hope this eventually becomes common knowlege.
@shruthim2053
@shruthim2053 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! To me this explains a lot of the consequences of caste system in India! And Brahmanical patriarchy! Thank you so much Dr. Ramani for your highly informative series❤️
@DGRLA
@DGRLA 3 жыл бұрын
Quick Someone give her the money for the research!!!’
@ememp1391
@ememp1391 4 жыл бұрын
I could swear on all of the things you have said are so realistically happening around me. Being married to someone with a truly narcissistic culture is so much difficult. The greater challenge happens at home where I am out numbered by 20 or more of them as we all dwell in the same house. My husband was definitely raised with emotional deprivation opposite to how I was brought up with so much love. We couldn't meet even half way in this aspect. He has such a shallow understanding about emotions and feelings. I have learned to acknowledge and accept the reality but I know I don't want to stay at all.
@sindiblair1071
@sindiblair1071 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Ramani. My first reaction to viewing my first videoof urs re narcs was omg im one too. This explains why. Im an immigrant from an ex communist country. Im just 35 but my parents n grandparents n extended family etc had an impact on me as i only found out 10 years ago when i had my 1st child. I was loving compassionate etc but there were my " old ways" in my way that i cudnt let go while trying to raise this kid in ( while adapting myself- a kid will force u to adapt as theyll attend nursery n make friends n have teachers etc) this new country with new n too free ways( my view at that time). I never understood what was happening to me ... all i knew was that i felt somewhat bipolar as in divided between 2 poles n wasnt sure which one to gravitate to. This explains tons 4 me. Im in therapy now after a narc abusive relationship n doing well but ur work is divine as it keeps opening my eyes n offering me key points to address in therapy re myself. I appreciate you Dr Ramani and ur great work . I have u to thank for any steps i took to better myself. U r a star
@dianelamorticella6053
@dianelamorticella6053 4 жыл бұрын
Listen to Dr Gabor Mate.❤️
@Niles-Guy
@Niles-Guy 4 жыл бұрын
The narcissist in my life shared how her grandfather abused her dad. And then her father abused her. And now the narcissist is abusing me and our family. The cycle of abuse continues and I’m desperately trying to break it . But no matter what I do , how much I beg or plead , I’m labeled the sick one and abusive . And the worst part of all is that there’s no remorse , no accountability, no mercy. Just total denial , project blame and has left a trail of tears behind .
@kimberlygaramella-Tank66
@kimberlygaramella-Tank66 4 жыл бұрын
If possible...try to literally not say a word... almost ever for anything... when I (big mouth) finally shut up, no rebuttals, no defensiveness, just let them go on and on, even getting into arguments with me and I didn't say one word! Sometimes based on my facial expression or body language but mostly based on their own made up banter... the clarity was freeing and empowering beyond...I wished I had shut my big mouth sooner...it sooooo worked!!! But it does create a new set of circumstances...♡
@Kre8tif
@Kre8tif 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. A lot to take in, I think I need to listen to it several times to understand. Thanks for the information.
@GenieGenie65
@GenieGenie65 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, your ‘spit ball’ was bang on! “Rageful, covert (victim-playing) narcissism is what most often coexists with the cultural/ generational pattern.”
@ThePyroLady11
@ThePyroLady11 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with everything, bc I come from one of these families. I am now looking at ways to distance myself from them, bc I see it hurting myself & my son's mental health.
@alivanessa134
@alivanessa134 2 жыл бұрын
Great decision 💕
@wolfgangk1
@wolfgangk1 4 жыл бұрын
Deep (Profound) 🥰 Thank you for ANOTHER needed topic that flys under the radar because it touches too many nerves or would be judgemental in its approach. If I was younger, I'd use this topic to complete the PhD that I never got around to doing. You practically laid out the chapters ☺️. But my experience has been that such research ends up being preaching to the converted.
@hello_robot
@hello_robot 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this info Dr Ramani. Incredibly informative, and on a topic that I rarely see being discussed. I wanted to request if in the future you would ever consider doing a video on narcissists in medical / care-giving / therapeutic positions. Like how to spot them, how to avoid them, what kind of harm they commit against people placed in their care, and why they go into these fields in particular. It would be super helpful. Thanks to your videos, I ended sessions with my narcissist therapist a few months ago. I had been seeing him for over 3 years, and he caused a lot of mental harm to me (and indirect physical harm, when I was sexually assaulted after I followed his terrible advice). It took a lot of effort, and I've been having a really tough time since, but I am finally emerging from the other side and feel so empowered. Thank you for everything you do!
@pensnme
@pensnme 3 жыл бұрын
My parents taught me exactly how NOT to raise my children. Empathy gained throughout my life combined with empowerment by my constant quest for knowledge are helping me reveal the tools I always had but didn't know I even had them.
@haha-pr6bw
@haha-pr6bw Жыл бұрын
I can't thank you enough for this video. It finally puts words to how I have felt my entire life: a constant struggle between understanding where my parents and family were coming from, but also realizing their actions were causing me emotional and psychological damage, stunting my growth as an individual and ability to accomplish my goals, and hurting my chances of having mutual, fulfilling, and compassionate relationships. This was all I needed to hear to reassure me that I'm making the right decision in distancing myself from my Middle Eastern immigrant family who continues to invalidate my aspirations and deny my feelings because what I'm going through is nothing compared to their war-ridden past. On top of that, I am constantly shamed and guilted for removing myself from them because it goes against the "family values" of the culture. This is yet another way I am told that keeping up appearances is more important than honoring my authentic self. I can't count the number of times I've been told that honoring my right to preserve myself and my mental health over performing as "the perfect daughter" for them is just "selfish" "immature" and "ungrateful". It has been particularly difficult being a Middle Eastern woman drawn to performing arts which are regarded as "unrespectable" in my culture of origin. There's just so many layers to the invalidation of growing up in this type of community. I hope there can be more research done on this topic because it's something I've seen a lot with many other immigrant people, particularly women growing up in patriarchal and religious cultures which only amplifies and normalizes the shame, guilt, gaslighting, and control that they experience just for existing authentically. I know many go through their whole lives giving up on their dreams believing that this is just how it is. I know I did for the first portion of my life and became severely depressed. It can feel suffocating and impossible to stand up against an entire community of people who are trying to get you to give up on the life you want for yourself and get you to believe that there's something "wrong" with you for wanting something different than the role they set out for you. It's so invalidating and objectifying. I really hope more people going through this can be set free by this knowledge.
@TheSahand68
@TheSahand68 4 жыл бұрын
So true! Great education! Dr. R had nailed it in couple of minutes what is going on through the history in the whole world.
@tonypollock9900
@tonypollock9900 3 жыл бұрын
True that, we need psychologists like the good Dr. Ramani for the healing of humanity
@sailorsgybe9114
@sailorsgybe9114 3 жыл бұрын
Cultural/Generational Narcissism is rampant over here... The people here dont recognize their behaviour, but since I am an outsider, raised in America, and have a different perspective about life and intrapersonal relations its really obvious, and sad. I have other American friends here who also see it, We feel really sorry for these people who exist within these behavioural cycles and traps. Education is key, but it just doesnt exist over here... yet. Thank you Dr. Ramani for this series, it is extremely helpful, and encourages me on my healing journey. Love & Blessings.
@Cathy-xi8cb
@Cathy-xi8cb 4 жыл бұрын
I have worked professionally in some very rigid cultures, and I come from one as well. There are loving, open, caring people in all of them. They don't embrace or take advantage of their culture's negative attitudes. They are also not particularly central to their immediate societies or seen as leaders in their community. As Dr. R. has said about seeking romantic partners, look for the outsider, the quiet and seemingly uninteresting person in the group. They may be the healthiest and best choice to add to your life. Be prepared to be criticized and even considered "less than" by making the healthy choice. If you don't have the inner strength to do this, get therapy to help you. Your only other healthy choice is to leave your culture.
@hopefireheart2014
@hopefireheart2014 2 жыл бұрын
I will NOT be defined by the past, and my past. I will be heard and those who refuse to hear, can hear my silence. I’m done. I’m not playing anymore. This is NOT who I really am. “You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.” Colossians‬ ‭3: 7-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
@flammablefire9428
@flammablefire9428 2 жыл бұрын
Covert narcissism must run DEEP in white southern families in America. Literally everyone from my dad’s side of the family has that feeling of they lost some kind of power they’re entitled to but they stay manifest it in quiet resentful attitudes. Older white southern coworkers I’ve had and their families have the same phenomenon in their own families too. When you mentioned the loss of privilege of a group experiencing that covert narcissism this stuck out to me
@kr1221E
@kr1221E 3 жыл бұрын
We are in the Kali Yuga age, which lasts 432,000 years there are 4 yugas, this Yuga is darkest, narcissism has been culturally implanted by culture, and on a micro level in families. Cultural narcissism victims feel disempowered and victimise their families, and this starts a generational narcissistic dynamic, which needs to be stopped by a wise family member to enlighten the rest of the family, so that the narcissist loses supply and goes into a narcissistic collapse, not to hurt them to show them that they cannot continue to breach the boundaries or energetic fields of other people.
@cpbeauvoir
@cpbeauvoir 3 жыл бұрын
I am committed to my own healing. I refuse to pass on the generational disfunction I experienced. This stops with me. I refuse to have my children go through what I, my parents, their parents, and grandparents went through.
@anak5183
@anak5183 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this. I have met some empaths who grew up in such cultures. They are so appreciative to be able to talk openly about themselves (tp me). They have beautiful hearts but I see the struggle they go through reconciling their feelings with their cultures.
@d.nakamura9579
@d.nakamura9579 4 жыл бұрын
Great series
@Andrew-dg7qm
@Andrew-dg7qm Жыл бұрын
I thought my dad was 100% a covert narcissist, but now I listened to this series and I realize he’s also exactly a cultural narcissist. We immigrated. So I’m confirming your comment maybe in part one or two that covert can be associated with cultural/generational narcissism. He is so strongly described by both types that I was surprised. I’ve had other narcissists in my life and they usually fit one type of they’re a combo. He’s 100% both it seems. But if I had to make a split I’d say probably 80% covert/20 cultural Fascinating series, thank you so much for your work!❤️
@emantabet7604
@emantabet7604 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like this type (as well as the communal) often co-exist with malignant/ covert narcissists, especially when the narcissist allows their narcissism and entitlement to spill over and go out of control..or is it just me?
@mireilledavidson9427
@mireilledavidson9427 3 жыл бұрын
No, you would be right. My mother and father, father generational and mother is covert. Match made in heaven.
@meriam88
@meriam88 2 жыл бұрын
You're totally correct sis.
@Red-jt6uu
@Red-jt6uu 6 ай бұрын
Here in Chicagoland, we are very diverse in our cultural narcissists. It’s hard to find someone that won’t make the exact same excuses for my parents as my other relatives despite difference in ethnic background because so many ethnic communities see their behaviors as normal or “not so bad.” I look forward to going to university in a less “diverse” state so that I can hopefully meet more emotionally normal individuals to befriend and maybe meet a nice guy from a normal family whose “culture” isn’t a constant excuse for bad behavior. I frame it as “culture” because quite a lot of what passes as “culture” is so uncultured.
@NS-uq9st
@NS-uq9st 4 жыл бұрын
I believe this is the most difficult kind of narcissism. It needs team work to break this vicious cycle not from the targets of such abuse but from people who come from this privileged groups.
@MicahRion
@MicahRion 3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me a lot of Stacy Lee Hoch’s book and how she keeps boundaries with her parents while still heaving them in her life and comes to understand her family lineage better. And her healing journey with forging a new path raising her kids.
@katk925
@katk925 3 жыл бұрын
I know this covers a ton of different cultures but still knowing my family I wanted to just yell “JEWS” at the screen. I hear the old joke in my head “how many Jewish grandmothers does it take to change a lightbulb?” “Nevermind, ill just sit here in the dark.”
@ecofootprint
@ecofootprint 2 жыл бұрын
A very eye opening, mind clarifying information that Dr. Ramani provides. Now I guess we know why the world is in constant violent unrests, because we are dealing with bunches of cultural/generational narcissists and the system they create, when they are in governance & power positions.
@dimitrat6587
@dimitrat6587 8 ай бұрын
This was very delicately explained and hard to understand by narcissists or people in denial, but at the same time really well said.. so many hidden words that only the ones who suffered narcissists understand completely!
@kittimer
@kittimer 11 ай бұрын
Filipino. Ilokano (northern) specifically. They're all narcissists. We thought we helped my mom work her way out of the toxic narcissistic relationships with her many siblings & now-dead mother. Pro: She finally cut them out a few years ago and things improved a lot! Con: Well, unsurprisingly she's the same Ilokano narcissist that they are. I get her past was terrible. I empathize with her for that. But the way she treats us is unacceptable. The only difference between me and her is that I came out of my terrible experiences and tried to move on and grow, maintaining empathy, and approaching life as realistically as I can, even through the ever-more crippling anxiety I've developed over the years. She holds onto everything, never talks about those things in any meaningful, processing way, and lashes out and blame-shifts instead. I've had to come to terms over the last 6 months (I'm 26 atm) that she never cared to understand me as a person - it shows all too clearly these days, as she was totally fine when I cut her off because the fighting and anxiety attacks got to be too much for me, but after some 2 or 3 months of avoiding her and being less-interpersonal, she's conveniently spun the narrative that it's my dad's fault that she & I don't talk, conveniently forgetting that I told her myself all the reasons I can't interact with her, and is now trying to gain my favor and pretend there's no contention between us. It's deeply unsettling, and I'm unfortunately a non-confrontational freeze/fawn-type due to *my* upbringing - So reinforcing boundaries isn't exactly an option when *SHE'S JUST IGNORING THEM* because Filipino children do not have boundaries with their mothers. It doesn't help when she's used me as her emotional crutch and therapist for pretty much my whole life - despite me pleading with her to see a real therapist for the better part of the last decade because it was getting to the point where she was telling me things I should never be told as her daughter, and I can't handle it. No, she only finally saw a therapist because she had a game-end scare/plan/almost-attempt (an entire can of worms on its own) that the national kidney registry *MADE* her begin see one to remain eligible to get a kidney - and of course, right when she was the very next recipient. I hope she someday gets better for her own sake. But I'm glad I pulled out when I did. I'm tired of taking care of her for the previous 2 years when she wouldn't/won't take care of herself. I'm bout ready to go no-contact when the divorce eventually gets finalized (but she's being vindictive, so who knows how long it'll take 🥲). I don't have the energy to spare for her anymore, I'm beyond running my well dry. *I* *NEED* to take care of *MYSELF* now.
@HFTLH
@HFTLH 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this series. I've been thinking about how survival instinct changes people. I've experienced that as a female over-the-road truck driver and seeing how that experience changed me. When you're in survival mode, a lot of things you used to think were important cease to matter. And I'm trying to relate that back to my experience with my childhood. From a survival standpoint, I guess I was given just about everything....all the basic needs and then some. But as the invisible child who was not encouraged to learn autonomy, I always felt extremely ill equipped to handle life on my own, and that in itself puts you into a sort of survival mode. I feel like my whole life has been a series of experiences that put me into a vicious cycle of constant survival mode to the point of taking a huge toll on me, because it wears you down physically, mentally, and emotionally until you feel like a shell of your former self. Then when you have that awakening moment, you feel guilty for wanting to focus on yourself, or setting boundaries, because it makes everyone else uncomfortable, and you've been brainwashed to think that is some sort of criminal act that makes you a bad person. Ugh.
@Webbgurl2000
@Webbgurl2000 3 жыл бұрын
Thank You from one Woman of Color to Another. Sometimes, you have to be in the system to understand and rise above the system.
@agreatday9566
@agreatday9566 3 жыл бұрын
This explains a lot about what’s going on in the world...
@dianelamorticella6053
@dianelamorticella6053 3 жыл бұрын
I gave myself permission to leave and I did. It was painful but I needed to do it.
@ecohumanism
@ecohumanism 3 жыл бұрын
I think we all are part of some social system. And now freedom is our ideology, but people see it different. After reading many 'i don't owe to anyone' and 'disowning my family' i feel like it is nonetheless one of the manifestations of narcissism.
@garimagupta908
@garimagupta908 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the entire series on cultural narcissism. This was so helpful. More power to you and all my love. :)
@dotnb
@dotnb 2 жыл бұрын
Wow - this describes to a tee why America is becoming increasingly polarised and the UK too. Thank you Dr Ramani.
@rahxeira
@rahxeira 3 жыл бұрын
After watching this series, I felt understood by you. And more compassionate towards myself for having such strong conflicting feelings about my family and culture. Thank you Dr. Ramani...
@1joannemarie
@1joannemarie 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent series on Cultural/Generational Narcissists! I have learned so much here, and have experienced a lot of this first-hand (past and present) with my family. I now see the multi-generational patterns and underlying causes associated with these personality types/ mindsets. Wow...onward to healing. Thank you so much Dr. Ramani !!
@barnatranslations3452
@barnatranslations3452 2 жыл бұрын
Being a descendant of the first Puerto Rican Spanish families from one great-grandparent and then of their mixed blood field hands from the other I’ve experienced this insanity my entire life. One of the phrases I heard constantly as a youth and hated with a passion was “ be thankful you can pass.” As if being born with lighter skin made me better than my family with darker skin. I now spend my adult life using my language and cultural skills to help the English Limited population receive the best services their English speaking providers have to offer.
@sarasol4677
@sarasol4677 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Another excellent, precise, clarifying video, dr. Ramani. Thank you ever do much!
@AfternoonDaLite
@AfternoonDaLite 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Armani, May you be blessed with the time and funds to pursue your growing dreams! ✨💖✨
@nancyhagan7553
@nancyhagan7553 2 жыл бұрын
thank you Dr Ramani coming from African background this episode is such an eye opener and understanding this is the way forward for change
@kieshamuhammad6531
@kieshamuhammad6531 4 жыл бұрын
This is going on In the US right now
@kisigma1102
@kisigma1102 4 жыл бұрын
Yup 💯🙏👁
@tammyw.4779
@tammyw.4779 4 жыл бұрын
Very encouraging words. Like how you took what would have been, and is a very complex problem, and still offered practice ideas for moving forward. Thanks for your time!!
@jadegreen8159
@jadegreen8159 4 жыл бұрын
6.04 - "not lose their compassion for other people while they heal" ... yes, one of my current challenges as I currently feel wrapped up in my own history, dreading the flashbacks that continue to re-appear; it's good to hear it voiced by someone else. Loss of privilege that ends up a bit covert - Dr Ramani, I think you've just explained the abuse of a very white, very misogynistic, very hierarchical workplace I endured in my early career training. I knew it was unacceptable but couldn't work out what it was - except that it was a 'cunning' (and sickening) way to replace the overt physical and sexual violence that used to be the more common way to abuse people who are "other" in the workplace. That was also my main experience of gaslighting by tribe.
@rishaa682
@rishaa682 3 жыл бұрын
frustrated privilege leads to generational narcissism, this makes so much sense
@dmquinta1140
@dmquinta1140 4 жыл бұрын
Nice background, Dr Ramani! Apart from the always relevant and brilliant content, your video production keeps getting better and better! 💙
@hope46sf
@hope46sf 4 жыл бұрын
I made my decision to leave an ex n h when he could see how his family of origin was abusive, and impacted his life and our relationship, but he felt no need to work on those issues so that he could learn to treat me better.
@rileyjay3396
@rileyjay3396 2 жыл бұрын
This mini series is amazing. I have been working my way to this understanding piece by piece but having it spelled out concisely all in one breath in this mini series has been .... breakthrough level of helpful. It is amazing when you can finally see the one forest not just an overwhelming amount of trees.
@vincentparis1957
@vincentparis1957 4 жыл бұрын
I'm loving the late 90's school photo background. It brings me back to Pre-K.
@disappearingremedy7400
@disappearingremedy7400 4 жыл бұрын
This series has been & continues to be very good. Another one to save to my playlist. 💜💕🙏
@sherryripepi6024
@sherryripepi6024 2 жыл бұрын
Knowledge is power. This is an educational post. Life-saving advice.
@tiablasangoriti8347
@tiablasangoriti8347 3 жыл бұрын
This was very enlightening a Dr Ramani. We love your Analysis, Insights and tolerance when speaking on the effects of Narcissistic Abuse.
@feinia7264
@feinia7264 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if anyone’s mentioned this before, but any research on this topic should include Eastern/Southern European/Balkan cultures, which have a lot of narc-similar traits ingrained within (classism/racism/list goes on), making it all the more confusing to distinguish whether a person’s behavior is a factor of their cultural background, narcissism, or some combination.
@angelapierce7934
@angelapierce7934 Жыл бұрын
Wow my mind is blown. Thank you for putting words to the Dr. Ramani!
@mazzystar9488
@mazzystar9488 4 жыл бұрын
This is so good. Thank you, Dr. Ramani. ❤️
@mariogoldenuniverse
@mariogoldenuniverse 4 жыл бұрын
The opposite is also true, people in sectors that have suffered from trauma, and despite that are able to manage and create loving families and communities, or at the very least have tried to against all odds, encounter the narcissism (often very aggressive and violent) of entitled individuals in privileged groups intent on destroying their cultural roots and knowledge base. It would be good if you addressed that, not only the narcissism that may arise among people in the traumatized groups. The rage we are witnessing right now expressed by protesting youth and others because of the murder of George Floyd is precisely in response to such a dynamic - slavery, discrimination, racist terrorism and violence, police brutality - that has gone on for hundreds of years in this country and has intensified in the past few years.
@cliffp.8396
@cliffp.8396 4 жыл бұрын
The 'back story', the first family history story I ever learned. I correct that, the first story I ever learned. Boy does it lead to family loyalty above all else with the requisite enabling. How often I hear my voice say 'I wish I knew her 30 years ago', while you hit me with your impressive knowledge.
@001singularity
@001singularity 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani, Thank you.
@ndfernando7031
@ndfernando7031 4 жыл бұрын
Definietly something deeper than origins. Kind of like the pinnacle of it all. Hope someday you would make a video about how narcissistic abuse can affect brain anatomy and try to mould our personalities! And strategies to cleanse and reverse these effects Thank You!!!
@debwefoxx9389
@debwefoxx9389 4 жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating topic, personally and for my commitment toward global changes in these patterns about gender, class, and race. Thank you
@sharongregg2506
@sharongregg2506 4 жыл бұрын
Inter generational narcissism needs so much more awareness it’s so covert it so bad .. Dr. Childress.. at least in my opinion 😖... hope your not offended by that.. that mirror neuron thing? There’s SO something TO that .. well hope that’s the way the research goes, for my own alienated children anyhow .. so glad your raising awareness about this.. those of with functioning empathy.. it’s can be a life long battle.. understand it.. we are all human it thrives in ignorance... realistic expectations.. absolutely! just wish it came sooner for me and my adult baby girls I haven’t seen for almost 12 years.. for .. absolutely NO reason.. SO love you for this!
@aliceinchains9357
@aliceinchains9357 2 жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant series - many thanks!
@joyciejd9673
@joyciejd9673 4 жыл бұрын
As usual. Dr. Ramani blows me away with her knowledge and practical advice
@ghostsoldier72
@ghostsoldier72 4 жыл бұрын
I was given a book at the age of nineteen "Things Fall Apart" which caused me to consider at an early age "generational resistance" to change. I really hope you can get the funding to continue your research Dr.Ramani..Thanks again.
@ddca25
@ddca25 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you soooo much for talking about this. I've been waiting for you to dig into how narcissism is impacted by race/gender/class. Societal gaslighting comes up in my work, but I think we're JUST starting to scratch the surface, as you noted.
@alicemungia1642
@alicemungia1642 3 жыл бұрын
I believe that my ex boyfriend is a malignant cultural narcissist which makes it hard for me to move on. He is black and grew up in the inner city. He was trained by his mother to keep his life private and trust no one. His father was raised on a share cropping farm and was taught to read by his wife (my boyfriends mother). He talked about his parents fighting, financial issues, and racism. He recently said to me, "why were we (black) picked to suffer"?. Its so hard to leave him. He absorbs my love like a sponge but will keep secrets, pry into my past, won't fully commit, won't answer my text messages, unable to accept responsibility, lying, etc.
@duyenvo9908
@duyenvo9908 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much dr Ramani, another very valuable series.
@rubymyluv1
@rubymyluv1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so grateful I found your channel. As I become more well versed I also feel more at a loss though.
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