You are missing one potential AD scenario. The only thing that keeps the firing pin off the primer is the firing pin spring. The force required to compress that spring is fixed. If you drop the gun onto a hard surface on its muzzle, the gun will stop but the inertia of the firing pin will make the firing pin want to keep going. The higher the drop, the higher the speed of the gun, and the more inertia the firing pin will have. So at some point, a high enough drop onto the muzzle will result in the gun discharging. This is the same exact vulnerability that a 70 series 1911 has. Gunsmith Hilton Yam tested this by creating a fixture that allowed him to drop a 1911 on its muzzle onto a concrete floor. He loaded the gun with a primed case and a magazine full of dummy rounds. He found that a drop of less than 5’ resulted in a discharge. We don’t know how large a drop would be required for a CZ Shadow to discharge, but based on simple physics and the design of the gun it is unquestionable that it has this same vulnerability. Note, I’m not saying that the CZ Shadow 2 and Compact are unsafe. I own a Shadow 2 and have competed with it. I own and have carried 70 Series 1911s for many years. But we need to stop whistling past the graveyard and honestly consider the vulnerabilities of each design. There are good reasons why most modern handgun designs have firing pin blocks. If we are going to own and use handguns without firing pin blocks then we MUST honestly discuss their vulnerabilities.

Sorry, but without an extended safety, unless you are taller than 15ft this simply will not happen. I’ve drop tested my own s2c through a tube onto the muzzle and straight into the hammer without even a mark on the primer. Watch the smith who put it into a vice and literally smacked it with a literal hammer. Too much internet theoreocraft not enough real life testing. Unmodified it’s perfectly safe. Same with 1911’s.

@@damonspinelli1352 This is basic physics. The strength of the firing pin spring is fixed. The inertia of the firing pin is proportional to the height of the drop -- the higher the drop, the higher the inertia. So all you have to do is keep increasing the height of the drop until the inertia of the firing pin overcomes the strength of the spring. This is basic, college-level Physics 101. 2) This isn't just some theoretical argument. Gunsmith Hilton Yam (the guy behind 10-8 Performance) built a test fixture to drop a 1911 onto its muzzle. He found that a Series 70 dropped onto its muzzle would discharge when dropped less than 5'. 3) The extended safety has nothing to do with this. The safety doesn't block the firing pin from moving, so it isn't germane to this type of accidental discharge. The only three things involved in this type of discharge are a) the strength of the firing pin retaining spring, b) the weight of the firing pin, and c) the height of the drop.

You typed all that for what? I can repeat what I’ve already said but I’m not trying to be redundant like you.

⁠@@M1911jlnfor 1 if you drop the gun on the muzzle in that way and it dose go off the muzzle is pointed at the ground. AR’s use a free float firing pin and do not have a spring to hold it in place the firing pin of an AR also weighs more. Ever hear of one going off when dropped on the muzzle? Me either. Correct me if I’m wrong but only series 80 1911’s have fpb. Modern 70 series have a spring to hold the pin back just like the shadow 2 and those are not a problem. Why is it that some 1911’s and rifles can have a floating firing pin but for some reason it’s bad in this case?

For some reason (Biden?) I haven’t been able to find extra magazines. At least not the original sizes. There are other CZ magazines but do they fit? If you’re happy with 2 then fine. I’ve brought mine to my club and let others try it there. There’s been no issues or complaints. Everyone has liked it. I’m not one for bigger magazines as I feel the extra weight unbalances pistols. Making the muzzle rise more. But this compact is real nice. I’m wondering if Biden put a hold on overseas magazines and parts.(?) I heard something about that awhile back. It sounds like something he would do and it would take SCOTUS to stop him so it might last till he’s gone.

Is this bigger than the pcr?

The CZ 75D Compact is a great pistol.

I own the 75D PCR and now the Shadow 2 Compact. Both just outstanding pistols !

If this thing only had a decocker instead of a safety. For this reason I prefer my cz 75D compact. Trigger is slightly better, slightly heavier and flatter shooting, but a safety on a da/sa is just annoying. Still love it though.

I must have gotten a lemon 07. My trigger is heavy and slightly gritty. I’d guess about 5 to 6lbs. Worse than any of my other CZs.

man.... i thought it was just mine. i had the same problem and was kinda mad about it at first until i adjusted upwards and it was significantly better.

Great to read this from someone else. I took mine straight to range and was shooting low center, made a few clicks adjustment to rear sight aperture and was right on target. Pistol is so smooth and accurate at the price point, I’m not putting an optic on it. This quickly became my EDC.

Enough to cause you to dislike it? Or worth dealing with…

Good feedback

Still having a hard time finding a holster.

absolutely. I have a CGW pro package p01 and its trigger is better than the stock S2 compact ( I had the chance to dry fire the S2 compact up against my p01). And I love/prefer the decocker on my p01. The main advantage of the S2 compact is that it's optics ready.

Get another spring from CGW and it will help the trigger pull as well as be stronger. I have over 10,000 rounds through a P07 with and CGW TRS with no issues. It is the exact same spring as the Shadow 2 compact.

Not at this time. Some of us, who truly love CZs, cannot consider carrying this gun. It’s not safe to decock, and the single action trigger is not only light but has a very indistinct wall. I thought Colion Noir was being a sissy about the trigger. He wasn’t.

If your finger is in the trigger guard, it's because you ARE shooting, not because you are THINKING about shooting. As for the decocking, you simply use your support hand to cover the pin, and then let the hammer down gently. I tested this with a SP01, and it works just fine.

Quarter cocked, safety off. Problem solved. Condition 1 for us 1911 fudds who ride safety instinctually for that sweet sweet single action.

@@Osprey1994 I decock shadow 2s hundreds to thousands of times at the range every year. I use the thumb roll technique and it feels pretty reliable. I still don’t want to do that in my home. Have you shot the S2 compact and used the single action trigger? It’s extremely light and the wall is surprisingly indistinct. Just because you’re shooting doesn’t mean you want unintended discharges.

I would tell you, but you seriously need to watch a video on how to do it safely. I recommend the "rolling the thumb" method where you block the hammer with your thumb between the slide and hammer, and once the hammer is past halfcock you can release the trigger and it is now safe to rest the hammer fully decocked. As I said though, don't attempt this without an example to follow please.

Drop the hammer

You didn’t grow up shooting DA revolvers did you ? Lowering the hammer over a loaded chamber was just part of the operation of those pistols. I guess it’s just old geezers who don’t mind this way decocking .

@@allensharp6876 Yes, I did grow up shooting DA revolvers, but why would you have to lower the hammer over a loaded chamber? Every DA revolver I ever shot I shot it. Never had to worry about lowering the hammer. If I cocked it I shot it. And yes, I'm 66 yrs old so I've been around a little while.

You have no choice but to let the hammer down manually while easing the trigger forward. It's one reason I prefer my cajunized p01 with the decocker.

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Depends what you want it for . If you don't EDC . Go full size . They are accurate and fast

Not comparable. S2 is a full sized comp oriented handgun. S2c is a compact designed as a carry option off the original S2.

I agree, been trying to get my hands on one for the last 3 months and no luck yet.

PSA has them in stock ​@@adrianalejo91

Fairly common in my area. The only ones that are scarce in my area are the limited production models like the CZ 75D (PCR). Took me forever to find one four years ago which has been my EDC ever since.

I'm Czech and they have them stock most places here in its homeland. Little over $1500 though

I just picked one up last week. My local gun shop Modern Warriors in Utah had 7 of em. Look em up online

Length Height Width Weight G19 Gen5 7.28 in 5.04 in 1.34 in 23.81 oz Shadow 2 Compact 7.51 in 5.43 in 1.38 in 30.69 oz

*@dianejones2775* It's almost 2 pounds . Depends where you carry it . If you are used to a Micro compact it will feel heavy . But your body will get used to it

With a decent optic I don’t think you have anything to worry about but there are a few companies making plates with a rear sight built in. If they did give you the plate with the firearm I would ding them for not having a rear site built in but it being based off the full size, the entire concept was based on competition which most remove the iron sites when having an optic

@@jonn8163 The reason I am concerned about rear sight is First, I do not want to spend more money to buy aftermarket accessories after paid more than 1K on gun and 2nd, would you consider Aimpoint optic that US military use on their M4A1 as a good optic? I want to tell my experience, during the firefight after the first mag my optic died, before patrol we put fresh battery on everything, it's a standard SOP. I had one new battery in my left shoulder pocket, I immediately changed the battery but it didn't turn on. Then I used the rear sight that comes standard on M4A1. So I don't know about others but I personally require a backup sight on my fighting/defensive gun.

Man brother the complaining has to stop , sound like my ole girl

@@MrTanimgt Have you ever pulled a gun? I have 2 times . Fortunately in both cases I didn't have to fire . Red dots on carry guns while popular. Aren't really practical. In 99% of self defense shooting You don't have time to use sights or red dots . The attacker is to close . In my situations I was able to get the drop on one and the second guy ran away . Believe me a Red dot is nice . But your odds it will fail at that moment of truth really doesn't matter . Your odds of having to pull your gun are 10 million to one . Your odds of your red dot failing when those odds play out is even higher against . When it happens you won't be aiming . If you actually have to shoot . Most will get the holster cleared and fire or they'll have time to get to cover shooting cover shots . It's not like TV and Movies . It all happens like a car accident . Kaboom If it happens that you have a siltation where you do have to aim and the red dot isn't working . Many have rear sights built in. I personally carry one gun on me and another in my trunk . That one has a long barrel and backups to my dot . The gun I conceal has no red dot and if the fight gets so bad I wish I had a dot . I'm likely gonna die or be dead :)

@@cramerlong2276 I have not, and I absolutely 100% aggre with you.

No Colt is now CZ. That’s how it works when a brand buys another brand. Remington didn’t become Marlin when the Marlin brand was purchased by Remington.

An incredibly unintelligent comment

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