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I don't get it.

@@TyrekeCorrea It's a video about puppets that opens with police brutality. They were expecting something lighthearted

@@_PinkiePie. Oh. I have to wonder how that came into being.

Lmaooo facts

Man I like how this show doesn't gary sue or sugar coat every character.

Don't forget the vice versa, either one's stupid.

Also actually acknowledging that there's a possibility that the adults won't do anything. So many kid's show just stop at 'tell an adult/teacher/etc' and ignore the fact that they might not care, or even be a major part of the abuse in the first place.

@@sarahsims6164 Agreed. Any bullying or unpleasant[in a harmful way] attention that hurts someone shouldn't be treated with "Oh they must liiIIiiike you. ♡♡♡" It's stupid, condescending, and ultimately unhelpful. Real help is needed. Even if it actually managed to be the source, that wouldn't change or stop what's been happening.

its embarrassing that parents tell their kids that. even mine. but this kid was KNOWN to bully everyone, so it doesnt make any sense. am i suppose to take abuse and translate it into love or something? i hope that becomes a thing of the past and parents start telling the truth

Yeah I really like that too cause it's a beru important lesson

Fucking jew

Someone else mentioned the shows use of good intentions vs results of good intentions and I think this is a really good example of that. Its kind of like how some people now are way overly zealous with inclusiveness that they start to come off as really condescending to the people they're trying to include.

Its good to teach kids that it’s okay to make mistakes and that you should learn from them. Too many people grow up with this anxiety about being wrong or being seen as stupid for making a mistake and thats something that can easily develop into anger when its pointed out.

It’s basically the same moral as “The Nightmare Before Christmas”, come to think of it.

What frustrates me is that they're lost, and somehow, no one seems to know why.

@@TyrekeCorrea it's probably just because of the extra effort and money it took to take the time to record it onto a physical object

@@goeyguts Oh, hell, no. Considering how long digital media's been around and the pains people have taken to ensure the preservation of other media of all ages... It's just been sabotaged; it's so forward and an advancement of a world so peaceable that they're convinced that if they allowed a record of it to be retained, there would be no room for the rest of what they're creating to grow, nevermind what it means for the future creative prospects for everyone else.

I dont think this show is first rate.

@@sirrealism7300 ok

That's another great layer most people wouldn't consider.

That's one thing I like about it now. It shows that even well-meaning "allies" can still do things wrong because they want to act like saviors.

Wow, it's amazing to me that just reading your comment can still prompt a very vague memory of the episode that was from. I can vaguely remember a character saying "but I said 'please'".

I'm taking a class on Germany fairlytales, and we were talking about the psychological effects fairytales have on kids this week. Me and the other US student talked about how kid shows to a point were similar w/ regards to how the traditional, non disneyfied fairytales effect children at the psychological level. I do agree w/ what you your take away from this show because mine was the same. This is kinda why I'm not a big fan of how much shielding is being done in childrens media/entertainment to avoid triggering them today. Alot of colleges are seeing the ramifications of this play out now unfortunately (see r/Professors for detials). There seems to be an influx of young adults that don't know how to process/or deal with the inconveniences and negative aspects of life. They think they can just complain and wear factually down in order to get their way.

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That would be interesting for an April Fool's Day episode. Could be about something like an obscure series of shorts there is very little information on. Or a non-existent show like Candle Cove.

Replying so this comment gets more traction.

Lol that would be the most self aware episode ever ngl.

"The Tiananmen Square protests resulted in many deaths, as well as mass censorship and a strengthening of the grip that communism held over China." *5 minutes later...* "So anyways, Sagwa the Chinese Cat premiered in 2001 on PBS."

@@KosmicKlone I mean, a Sagwa episode could start with something about ancient Chinese history and legends. Edit: I noticed your edit. Maybe that would fit. Also, it was called Sagwa The Chinese Siamese Cat.

so true

Ji-Young.

Wait...They had races in Sesame street? I'm confused now

Exactly 🎉😂

Yes because the Asian character was cast by a white woman

Your line about sick kids without cable is so true xD But I don't think you can be too old for a show if you like it

no roof korean mention

I thought I clicked on the wrong video for a second lol

Ikr

#Metoo

I know right?

Agreed

@Sheldon you're just disagreeing in the replies with all the comments on this video. I've seen you.

"Jammies" that's so cute lol😂

@Sheldon Your face is cringewrothy

English might help you

I always think of him as Magellan from Eureka's Castle since Bear in the Big Blue House came toward the tail end of my children's show watching says haha.

Leon is just Noel but backwards

He was Leon before he was Bear.

I hear Scooter from the Muppet Show, plain as day.

@@bobbob465 It couldn't be him. Richard Hunt had died, David Rudman hadn't picked him up yet, and neither was involved in the production of this show.

o please like you even noticed when you were a kid And honestly know puzzle place was the opposite And cringey about it

As a another Jewish kid who loved this show growing up, I really connected to the Holiday episode where Ben learns about Hanukah and how Jody was made fun of for her last name. I grew up in a predominantly Catholic area and went to public school with an almost entirely Christian kid background. I was often bullied for being Jewish and often made fun of for my very ethnic sounding last name. Around Christmas time each year, all of the activity sheets and drawings kids made for each other left Hanukah as an aftermath or worse, just a dusty, old menorah hiding underneath the Christmas tree behind the presents. While many of my friends wanted to include me in their festivities, they thought it was just completely fine to just shove Hanukah into their Christmas. Well-meaning of course, but it was only The Puzzle Place that really showed how Judaism (and all other cultures) should be respected and celebrated on their own merit, not assimilated into a conformist majority. I'll never forget what The Puzzle Place did that no other kids shows back then (save for Arthur) did with respecting and celebrating other's cultures.

@@geckoguy4141 there was a Canadian cartoon that did that too. But it was before my time. Mom told me about it once. And growing up people just associated Hanukkah and Kwanzaa with the Christmas time like they knew it was separate from Christmas but also similar? I don’t know, I don’t remember anyone being made fun of being Jewish or any last name even ones that seemed unpronounceable

Yeah man, are never represented in Hollywood.

@@geckoguy4141 If you knew your history you'd know Hanukah was a lesser holiday barely practiced literally until American jewish societies noticed that Christmas was a massive cultural boost to Christians. Unironically Passover was the bigger Jewish Holiday.

Ikr? Some people can fight it all they want, but things *are* changing slowly but surely

"Express joy or nothing. Make sure to drown your sorrows in alcohol, where the sorrows swim. And if that don't work, smoke that cigarette. Not that any of this actually works at all, and I pay no attention to the fact that even Jesus wept under sorrow of the death of Lazarus, pre-resurrection."

I have a hard time even comprehending that happening

You know what, there *may* be _half_ a point to what he said, *if* he meant this: "don't toss your treasures to mockers who don't understand, who will rip you to shreds for sharing them." It depends on who's being communicated with. But, I kinda doubt he meant that. If he meant this at all, he didn't say it in a very good way.

@@KeybladeMasterAndy What do you mean?

i like to think that option four meant "call sinbad and he'll kick the bully's ass for you".XD

Not sure what your grocery stores are like where you live, but had you been a kid today you and your grandma would have almost certainly found mooncakes. Pretty much all of our Asian food stores also sell Mexican candy and other goods. Even the Victory Hmong across the street from my work sells spicy tamarind pops by the checkout counter, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Mexican groceries also sold Pocky by now.

try an asian marketplace around the lunar new year, sometimes they can be pricey but i do see them around

Somehow this is the one episode I remember the best too, for the very same reason!

I've had them. They're OK. A bit thick and mild tasting but one nice thing is they have a massive variety of flavours.

Mustve been in Mississippi

@Mr. Miyagi this show was litterally made to combat racism but go off

The lesson being, "sometimes you may have a better moral compass than the adults", an intense but necessary one. You kind of feel bad for writers who have the unenviable task of insulting kids from unnecessary trauma and keeping parent from raising a hew and cry about radicalism, while preparing them for a world that is traumatic and not as able to break their fall as these fuzzy TV shows are. Kids shows should probably get more rigorous adult analysis after the fact. They say a lot about how ideas become acceptable and mainstream. The care and what it was showing too often gets washed away when the shows do.

@Mr. Miyagi kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLCFhKaq3ZuceZ8.html

@@hydro7373 It promoted racism when people had a problem with white actors playing non white FiCTIONAL puppet characters. Try again...Racism is racism no matter what. Anyone can be a victim and anyone can be racist.

I just kind of associated it with the autistic-looking puppets.

What came to mind was that intercultural interaction can be a puzzle sometimes. This is a positive thing in that instead of representing it as something dangerous on the one hand, or as something simple and unimportant, it acknowledges challenges while also presenting it as something that can be "solved" with cooperation. Much like in the Christmas one.

Aside from that (and forgive me if this is painfully obvious but it needs said as it's relevant,) I thought that since it's called "The Puzzle Place" and it's about learning different aspects of how to live, the learning process is also a puzzle.

@@UnprofessionalProfessor get out of here with that. there’s no such thing as “autistic-looking”.

@@rubydoodles6381 thank you omg people are so stupid. I literally dont even know how people think a mental disability is supposed to change your appearance

Kwanzaa isn’t a real holiday.

@@hazyhalfmoon die alone

@@hazyhalfmoon all holidays are made up

@@hazyhalfmoon you could say that about Almost anything

@@hazyhalfmoon what’s the difference between a cult and a religion? Well in a couple hundred years it will be a tradition. I mean who cares why does it bother you so much?

Well there is speech therapy, so it's not a big deal. But you can't change the color of your skin. Unless you're Michael Jackson. Heee heeeee.

@@joeybaseball7352 why did u comment this?

@@joeybaseball7352 I don't think speech therapy does what you think it does.

@@minty111 I don't think you do

@@zyuukii because Michael Jackson changed his skin color. Heee Heeeeeee

Muppets '11, anyone?

I think makers of shows for children often underestimate how seriously kids can scrutinize and question the lore and internal logic of what they watch lmao. It's aimed at a pretty older demographic, but for example I remember early-teenage myself being super upset by the living puppet in the show Victorious. Nobody ever questioned it being alive and talking and it made me so mad hahahaha

They’re just human muppet hybrids, it’s that simple.

I think pingu,

Ghostwriter, now THERE was a show that was a bit out there, low budget, bit strangely captivating.

Lol agreed man I honestly really would love too see this dude talk about or resemble Kids WB, One Saturday Morning and Fox Kids.

And soon Arthur will join

Lol then it it will probably be Oswald the Octopus next.... ❤️🥺

@@YakkoWarnerTower Oswald ain’t PBS.

Same here! We could never afford cable, so it was mostly PBS and the library for us.

I wouldn’t really classify reading rainbow as a “defunct” television show.

True but him covering it would be so good!!

Oh my gosh I loved Reading Rainbow!!!

I loved reading rainbow as a kid.

Is this because Levar Burton just hosted Jeopardy for a week?

exactly my thought

@Sheldon then why are you here?

RIGHT?? sorry yesterworld ... i wnated to learn about this first

@@endertronicinc.7463 I think he's a troll. He's LARPing as sheldon from big bang theory

@Sheldon bAzinGa

Now it's swinging the other way, though, and some schools are teaching white children to self-loathe just because they weren't born a more diverse race. So I can't say the younger generation is quite safe from regression.

@@cradiculous that does not happen

​@@dogatemybrain Might want to check again. There's an elite NYC school encouraging white guilt.

@@dogatemybrain I bet you are not white.

When whiteness is put on pedestal in terms of beauty and how whites are perceived by society I generally do not feel sorry for them especially when many hold a superiority complex when they just roll in mediocrity.

He wouldn't have to whoop ass. Kid bullies fold before adults remarkably fast. I once ran into one in the wild who not only folded before me politely requesting he move out of the way of a zoo display so I could take a picture for my zoology class, he barked at his classmates to also move out of the way like he was the first mate of the ship and I was the captain.

"Implied"?

@@lsmmoore1 sometimes the easiest solution is for adults to beat the shit out of children

@@joeygreen8091 And sometimes there is a difference between what is right and what is easy. This instance is one of those cases - sure, it might be "easier" to beat children, but it isn't right to beat children, because that can be psychologically damaging in the long run. Whereas parents who don't beat their kids but instead try to understand them can form friendships that last into adulthood, and those kids will be more likely to be happy to take care of their parents when THEY need it (if they are able to, and if not they'd still be more willing to visit or talk to said parents than those who were beaten).

@@lsmmoore1 well my philosophy has always has been if they disobey suplex the child away

I completely forgot how this show addressed intercultural puzzle solving and making mistakes without feeling the need to point fingers or rank anyone.

Skye is and always will be my favorite too!! He was so cool!

Agree. So sad. I wish there was a way to find these remaining episodes.

@@tyeishaleisure there should be someone who has the show archived

Agreed man this show was so witty, and self aware for a preschool tv show.

Some can be found here on KZfaq!

Well, it might not be lost forever

Arthur is ending? 😰 That makes me feel so sad and happy at the same time. It was one of my favorite PBS kids shows to watch as a kid, and had so many great moments and characters. However, I feel like ending it is a good choice. I don’t care for its newer flash animation at all, plus its cancellation teaches everyone, young and old, that everything has to come to a complete stop at some point (which is something the stupid teams behind The Simpsons and Spongebob should sit down and learn). Arthur ran for a quarter of a century!

The Show will still be still reairing for years to come.

Yes!! I can really remember the jukebox band, and finding out the little conductor was Ringo Star lol

I still have some of STS on VHS proper and a few specials including the Thanksgiving special with Billy, and the soapbox derby special.

You can find Thomas and the Magic Railroad on DVD and streaming as well. It's the STS movie from 2000.

Oh yessir I really loved Shining Time Station as a kid it was such a witty, hilarious and welcoming show.

Ooh, that's a good choice!

me too!

Dude I literally had to recheck the title because I watch so much related to police brutality already that I was like "wait I was trying to destress, did I click on the wrong video???"

Came out of the gate swinging

Rodney King didn't die after he was beaten. He survived dude. He didn't die until around 2010 from a health problem.

@@lisah8438 Sorry, my mistake. I’ll fix what I originally said.

@@lisah8438 Wasn't the health problem that he eventually died from related to the 1993 attack? I remember hearing that was the case but I am not sure if it was true or not.

@@lisah8438 RIP rodney

@@angelmarie2281 he drowned in his swimming pool

Me too

Same here I use like watching the Puzzle Place when a kid but then once I forget about till 3 or 2 years later.

It was my 2nd grade lunch box lol

I had halformed memories of the Puzzle Place, the most I could've remembered where those moustached crayon people.

@Alexandra Williams you know what, that’s ok. There are things from the 90s that are not nostalgic to me but it meant something to someone.

Amen to that.

They really did do a great job of navigating the issues. They didn't just have this attitude of "ignore it and it'll go away" or trying to make an analog solution. Mad props to the writers. They were real allies.

where was you able to find it? i’d love to show it to my kid 😊

@@Splitter4416 thank you!!

@matt alan yeah that’s what i figured. happy to find at least a couple!

I enjoyed the pun.

Rimshot: B'dum-tiss!

The exit's over there --->

eeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Always nice to see a good pun.

The Magic School Bus: "C A R L O S!"

At least there is someone to upload it online for all of us to see for free

@@jamarsh09 I tried reaching out to KCET a few years ago to ask if they had it as I wanted to write a paper for a Children's Media Film class. They replied that I would have to pay a fee for them to search if master copies exist. It seemed they weren't even sure who owned the rights. Maybe I should reach out to the Lancits. I found out that Larry Lancit was fraternity brothers with my late father at UF.

@Will N I'm not an expert on rights. I actually live in Atlanta, so maybe I should ask PBS Atlanta, although it makes no sense to me why they would own all of them.

@Will N Interesting. Did you say that someone specifically mentioned that PBS Atlanta might own the rights to Puzzle Place or just to most non-HiT/ WGBH/ WQED/ Houghton Mifflin shows? How many years ago did that somebody mention it?

@Will N I'll see what I can find out.

I vividly remember the horror of an episode where the Puzzle Place/PuzzleWorks was being slowly dissassembled and taken away.

I remember that, but criticizing it as a kid because I knew how various flavors bleed over from one slice to another. The doughnut episode is the one I could never forget.

@@RoninCatholic Someone else remembers the donut episode, wow!! That’s the only one I remember!

THAT IS THE ONLY EPISODE I REMEMBERED TOO!! That pizza must have left an impression on us haha

You could've learned about PIE CHARTS!

Heh recall seeing it on pbs; however, by then I was a teenager so wasn't as interested. Early childhood was more the Muppet Theater, Sesame Street, and Reading Rainbow. Also saw Star Trek so seeing Levar Burton in both shows was a little weird early on.

Same! Before watching the video I remembered the title and had a vague recollection of the human puppets but what I remembered most clearly was Sizzle and Nuzzle since I still have the plush toys of them from when I was small.

Same here! I was also home from school sick for 2 weeks when the show premiered, so part of me was like, "Was that a weird fever dream...?" XD

You could also say cable TV had more kid friendly channels back then that would make for not knowing about the show. I raised my kids on PBS and Puzzle Place was a favorite. It would be nice if there was a reboot of the show with new characters added.

The Puzzle Place, we’re going to The Puzzle Place

Thoughts on the remake/sequel from a few years back?

YES!! My favorite cartoon when I was in kindergarten and still one that I like to revisit as an adult!

What kind of scientist are you?

@@Supasmartguy Scientologist

@@joeygreen8091 very funny.

definitely put that VHS on youtube, even if it's in Portuguese. There's something so tragic about this show becoming lost media.

Because Ben has real hands!

Reminded me of Community.

Puzzle Place talking about cultural appropriation way back in late 1990s. Good for them

@@sorceress1986 Ha!

@@augustp7543 Does THAT really count as cultural appropriation?

I thought his puppet was cute as a kid. And you make a good point. Now that I think about it, I haven't really either. Or maybe just a superhero character whose powers are strongly tied to them being native.

Pepper Ann also did a good episode about Native stereotypes and cultural appropriation. It’s called “Dances with Ignorance” if anyone’s interested :)

In Canada we had a show called Tipi Tales that was all native puppets. Unfortunately they all looked kinda creepy. And it didn't come out until I was in college. I usually quickly changed the channel if it came on because I was stoned and they freaked me out.

There's this show called Molly Denali that has an indigenous main character! There's also this one show that's in the works right now with indigenous actors, and animators n the such etc. Although i don't remember what it's called. I've just seen lots of natives on Twitter talking about it and asking for workers n stuff. Honestly native representation is scarce in every kind of genre, you usually only see us in westerns or stories about colonialism (ex: pocahontas) Oh! Just remembered...have u ever heard of Gargoyles? Elisa is native! I don't remember her tribe tho and whether it went into detail about that part of her. There's also Joshua Strongbear in Atlantis!! He's afro-native which is representation we need in both native media and..."general" media. I just think it's pretty cool

The Rez is a great show with Canadian-Native Americans right on the American/Canadian border living on a reservation. Lots of great movies based on Sherman Alexie books (an awesome Native author) such as Smoke Signals and Dance Me Outside have wonderful Native actors and actresses. I liked the representation in this show because my grandmother was the only representation of Natives I ever truly had in real life and she's half native and never lived around people of the same culture as her. So, I always try to keep track of any and all Native media I can find.

Dang! Some parents are jerks when it comes to The Puzzle Place. "Let those puppet kids do their jobs, you guys and quit being such KARENS!!!" That's what I would say.

Yeah my conservative Christian mom was realllyyyy apprehensive about Skye and also didn't like the Christmas episode 🙄

@@sailormoonlover9474 my mom was the same way questioning if Puzzle Place was "educational". BTW I was crazy for Sailor Moon too and mom banned it due to witchcraft😥

As an actual White Mountain Apache, like Sky, I find this funny. Most Apaches, and Native Americans in Arizona, are some form of Christian. Some so much so that they don't even practice traditional dance and ceremony and see it as of the devil. 😅

We don't need another reboot, just play these episodes again.

@@Game_Hero I feel like some aspects may be a bit dated. Reboots are usually ideal for children's programming. The concept of this show is great but a new version would be more valuable for a modern children's audience.

@@TECfan1 what's so dated here?

They needed to make a show like this for adults. Definitely where it's needed

@@Game_Hero The aspect ratio is the old 4:3 and everything involved visually is very 90s style. It would benefit from updating everything for a modern audience. Children respond more to things they can better relate to.

Yeah I couldn't believe that this got push back for being "politically correct" these people want tv shows to ONLY have white able-bodied people in it. MAYBE one token minority character. But look at all the positive comments in this video!!!! Clearly there where kids who needed representation

Nobody was saying that we shouldn’t all get along and treat each other as equals, the issue was that public funding was going towards something that could have easily been used to point fingers, cause more harm than good if handled poorly, or push an agenda.

@@TBustah Any parent who thinks inclusivity and acceptance shouldn't be taught to their kids isn't fit to raise kids at all.

This channel should also review the adventures of Dudley the dragon

Oh man I just seriously adored"Wishbone" when I was a kid lol you're making me wanna sing the intro now.

Same here! Wishbone was part of a poll that the channel held sometime last year, so it might possibly be an episode sometime in the next few months, as several other episodes were part of that poll as well. I hope they do The Magic School Bus at some point as well!

WHAT A GOOD SUGGESTION!

Instantly had the songnplay in my head. "What's the story, Wishbone?"

The master recordings are lost, as such, VHS and DVD issues could never be made or re-aired. However that doesn't mean there isn't VHS tapes out there that parents taped for their kids off TV.

That’s interesting since they don’t have any page on the Lost Media Wiki

Oh right I know that episode I was planning to upload it

I briefly remember seeing reruns of Kino's Storytime until the early 00s. The show went off the air around 1997. There was also a commercial with the puppet where he was asking a librarian all these questions. I remember seeing this particular commercial until about 2002.

Wow, that's disappointing. I thought that this show, *made in the 1990s,* would still have its master tapes. Looks like even the 90s ended up with lost media, though, like the 1930s. _I'm still waiting if there are still any of those lost Charlie Chan movies, BTW._

It’s the same way that Reading Rainbow was created to address summer literacy drain, Square One Television to fight the math crisis, and The Magic School Bus to create interest in science for girls and minorities.

FACTS! The first time I heard Leon's voice, I knew for a fact that it was Noel playing him. His voice is unmistakable.

And Kaeko in Oobi.

@@michaelrhett4958 Kako was the first one I thought of too

When Bear started playing on the Disney channel, even me at 8 years old was like "hey that's Leon"

@@MlNORlTY I miss Oobi

I realized why Leon sounded so familiar, I know him as Bear from Bear in the big blue house, it makes me smile.

@@LocalTorchwoodIntern Same here! Loved that show as a kid

When I saw the notification on my phone with the thumbnail and nothing else, my first thought was cousin skeeter

I remember tuning in to watch cousin skeeter, despite it being a touch suited for a younger demographic. I did high-school from 02-06, for context

And Kyle (the wheelchair kid)'s original puppeteer? Drew Massey, who was the chief puppeteer for Cousin Skeeter on the show of the same name.

This show was very ethnically diverse and lol you aren't the only 90s kid who remembers this.

"kid who had Asian, Hispanic, Black and Caucasian friends" oh so you were a normal kid and didnt need people pointing race out to you so that you then could notice the difference and thenn perhaps develop racist tendencies ?

@@KenMabie see, this comment is beyond dumb. My father was Black and my Mother was White. They taught me, as a mixed child to accept all people no matter the race, ESPECIALLY because I was of mixed race. So STFU cause you sounding real stupid right now.

Mixed race kids from black fathers usually have racial problems with fully black people. I wonder why.

I think you mean Kids for Character right? Character Counts was the collation. The sequel was Choices Count.

I have seen that bit on the trailer for the release on some of my Barney VHS tapes. Kids for Character, which is Lyrick Studio’s very first VHS release, includes scenes from “The Puzzle Place”, “Barney and Friends”, “Scholastic’s The Magic School Bus”, “Lamb Chop’s Play-Along”, “Nick Jr’s Gullah Gullah Island” and “Babar”. Choices Count, the sequel to Kids for Character, contain scenes from “Bananas in Pajamas”, “The Big Comfy Couch” and Lyrick Studio’s own “Wishbone”. Also featured on the video are Eddie Coker and Joe Scruggs, which at the time, Lyrick Studios released 2 Joe Scruggs titles.

Did the characters ever address the change in appearance? My only guess is that there's a lot of pressure put on people with curly hair to straighten it so it looks "normal" so if her hair was a focal point of the show, maybe the lesson was centered around that? Otherwise I'm out of ideas lol

I definitely would like to see an episode of DefunctTV about Allegra’s Window and Eureeka’s Castle

@@kyliethelittlespider-mangirl94 They did Gullah Gullah Island, why not those two shows?

Lol I once forget about this show was back in the 00s but then 2 years ago this show and the characters randomly just popped up in my mind.