People who say reliable guns are boring have obviously never had to deal with an unreliable POS gun before.
@flinchfu2 ай бұрын
3,000+ cycles without an issue? Boooring lol.
@alfaalex1012 ай бұрын
Yea my Keltec RDB is a disaster. Literally only gets through a magazine with steel case because it can’t mangle those cases up as easily.
@bobbyberry55592 ай бұрын
Malfunctions excite them and make them feel better about their marriage
@flinchfu2 ай бұрын
@@alfaalex101 Is that the one with the poop-chute ejection? 😂 In 308 (googled it) Oh hell NO, whatever is going on in there, THAT'S WORSE! Thought you were talking about the RFB 😂
@flopus72 ай бұрын
people who say this are welcome to work on my car. They will be excited for years to come
@Hisdudeness7992 ай бұрын
According to the U.S. navy your scope is on backwards 😂
@ColeDedhand2 ай бұрын
They're called coffin mags for a reason.
@JDangly2 ай бұрын
I think even though hop did a mag test and didn’t really think the k spec downward venting BCG caused that much buildup, I think over prolonged use, especially suppressed… you’re gonna see a whole bunch of garbage in your mags. Especially with a system like this where the mags have a lot more going on than a USGI 30 rounder. You’re probably going to have roughly 5 of these mags that get rotated out at the range. That’s a lot of carbon buildup in a more complicated magazine
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Listen I like Hop. He shot like 10 rounds through each, literally a meaningless amount of testing. I had 5 mags that day, they all went down within 500 rounds collectively with the K spec BCG installed. Also important to note is that the Q mags are much more sensitive than 30 rounders, so how one performs with the downvents isn't really relevant to the others.
@__Dave__2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp my thoughts exactly when I watched Hop’s review
@stevenkennedy41302 ай бұрын
@@__Dave__ #metoo
@AverageJoe4063Ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippit would be nice to see a comparison with other quad mags. 😊
@flinchfu2 ай бұрын
Third round: Bang Fourth, fifth and sixth round: ARGUING WHO'S TURN IT IS
@MasterReptile252 ай бұрын
"hello? hello?!" 😂
@BrassFacts2 ай бұрын
So all of the issues of a Surefire Coffin mag. None of the swag? (also a weird lower?)
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Basically
@Grassnicad292 ай бұрын
I love that you use mass effect music in your videos!
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@GldenRetriever2 ай бұрын
Let's wait until the Quattro X mags get released and then maybe get one when the gen after that called the quesadilla gets released a couple years after.
@brianzimmerman48372 ай бұрын
And the Quesadilla is just gonna be a 20 round M16 mag with a polymer jacket to fit the mag well. Then they'll claim to have spent millions in R&D on the thing and charge 15-30% more than the Quatro mags.
@Myrcene2 ай бұрын
QSDLL mags, you mean?
@highdesertdrew18442 ай бұрын
I'm glad Desert Tech is out there trying to make Promag look reliable.
@usernamealreadytaken7702 ай бұрын
A Desert Tech failing? Shocking!
@narutobroken2 ай бұрын
It’s almost as if they’ve never put out a reliable product 🧐
@PureCountryof912 ай бұрын
Was about to say that. And they want to enter into service rifles. Hell no. PSA has more reliable ak-556's
@joecentral-o99842 ай бұрын
@@PureCountryof91I haven't cleaned my GF3 in over 1k rounds. Only issues are my $4.99 ROK mags don't hold the rounds high enough for 100% reliability. 85-90% is good enough for range fun.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Just wait for gen 2 or maybe 3
@epicfortnitekid85362 ай бұрын
Wait for a gen 2 or 3 + win QC lottery My MDRx has ran flawlessly with steel & brass, has been thrown into the snow, etc and has not had a single issue But ive heard people even with the woolvern still having the same QC issues that the MDR had
@AlphabetBoisAreSmelly2 ай бұрын
I actually did some testing myself with the k spec downward venting bcg as of the past week . It KILLED one of my gen 2 p mags. The magazine partially melted and got stuck on the bolt catch… had to disassemble the mag entirely and then rip it out…. My other p mags are all stiff and don’t like to load because all the carbon has fouled up the followers…I’m going to use it with metal mags and see if I still run into other issues.
@frankholub46732 ай бұрын
Bootleg BCG stays winning
@narutobroken2 ай бұрын
Yeah this seems like a fail product. You carbon foul your mags and wreck them for what?
@4rings62 ай бұрын
I'm calling 100% BS on your mag "melting"
@AlphabetBoisAreSmelly2 ай бұрын
@@4rings6 call it whatever you want, it happened. I had to throw the mag away because it was permanently deformed.
@4rings62 ай бұрын
@@AlphabetBoisAreSmelly Of course you got rid of the" evidence", what did the company say when you contacted them? You realize that the temperature of the blowback coming out of the chamber is hotter than the gas that comes out of the vents right? There's also video of full auto torture testing along with getting a temperature of the top of the magazine before and after firing, the difference is 3 degrees. You're the only person to ever make this claim it seems. Like I said before, BS.
@whiteyshark58262 ай бұрын
I haven't felt a video like this before. "Yes, let the hate flow through you!"
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
just let the footage speak for itself huh? i like it.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Not much more to add.
@riu.11802 ай бұрын
I really hope these get revised and upgraded. Neat idea, im glad someone is thinking outside the box magazine, but obviously it isnt done yet. Thanks for the vid!
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
there are a ton of " neat ideas" that remain ideas for good reason.
@AverageJoe4063Ай бұрын
@@mtnbound2764even Focus Trip blames it on the downward exhausting bolt carrier.
@adamg39112 ай бұрын
Had high hopes for this one. Thanks for the review.
@djgunner25814 күн бұрын
Any reason you're using a Fostech and not an FRT? Will the FRT not fit?
@charlesm.27562 ай бұрын
It's as if blowing hot gasses and un-burnt powder down into your loaded magazines might not be a great idea? Also, not sure the Stoner design needed much more improvement? Thinking maybe Hexttro or Octtro will do the trick?
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
for sure.
@MyLonewolf252 ай бұрын
Nah, this is just a bad mag issue. The k spec BCG is titties on a normal lower
@Richardjohnson69694 күн бұрын
@@MyLonewolf25 Venting gas into your mags instead of out the side of the BCG is a critical design failure, even though that was the goal.
@CitadelDefense12 ай бұрын
Unfortunate, but maybe not unsurprising? It is, for whatever reason, apparently very difficult to make large capacity mags that work reliably
@TrollinCrazyRussian2 ай бұрын
Vcog+ adm titanium lever mount + m4e1 upper w rotation proof handguard secured by 8 countersink screws. 10/10 would operate with!
@timothy7052 ай бұрын
I’m getting flashbacks to the Battle of The citadel thanks to your choice in intro music.
@IndependentArmz2 ай бұрын
That video was so stressful, I had to take a big deep breath to release the anxiety after watching it. What did you do? Take a valium and go to sleep?
@AverageJoe4063Ай бұрын
I thought a downward venting BCG sounded a bit sketch. 🤔
@billydanzz2 ай бұрын
I'm Joe Biden and I approve this rifle set-up.
@Juliankb392 ай бұрын
God damn my blood pressure was pushing 200 /140 by the end I think
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Same.
@zacnoding122 ай бұрын
D60 supremacy
@jordanpaine44667 күн бұрын
I wonder how the Quattro mags would fare with a piston gun. Like throwing a Caracal, PWS, or LWRCI upper on to it. You wouldn’t be able to use the KAK bcg, but I think it would make the system more reliable since gas getting blown into the receiver is much less of an issue.
@FocusTripp7 күн бұрын
I have used a LWRC piston upper on it and it ran fine.
@Varrylickers2 ай бұрын
I’m wondering if you had your rifle a little too undergassed for these mags. They have more spring pressure than a regular mag which could cause the next round to push on the bolt carrier enough to not pick up the next round. A lot of these malfunctions looks like undergassed malfunctions imo. Some of them looked like shitty mag malfunctions too though.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
The followers being trapped in the body is 100% the mags, also I never got a failure to lock back. So there is enough gas to run the system. Sometimes they just wouldn't feed the next round.
@Varrylickers2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippyeah I noticed the follower was getting caught in the body, do you think the KAK BCG could’ve contributed to that or have these just always been shitty
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
@@Varrylickers i believe the KAK helped push them over the edge
@frankholub46732 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp The KAK always pushes them over the edge.
@hopewilliams67052 ай бұрын
They gave it the old college try
@noahreynolds969613 күн бұрын
Just thinking out loud here... but it seems a lot of people are hating on the mag and that might be misplaced. You put a BCG that vents gas into the mag, other people have issues with this same bcg affecting feeding in PMAGs and other reliable mags. And this is the quattro-15s fault? Doesn't add up from my perspective. Not saying it's perfect, quad stacks are known to be finicky. I would love to see a side by side comparison with this bcg, other bcgs, suppressed and unsuppressed. Settle the debate, the quattro 15 could be a gamechanger for the civilian LSW concept.
@othernamesweretaken18712 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on the VCOG though? If you’re planning on doing a review, I can wait for your thoughts in that format.
@Backwoods0G2 ай бұрын
I’m hoping my KE arms lower with the flared magwell design will help alleviate the mag issues from the K-spec bcg 🤞🏼 🤞🏼
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I don't know if I would put that in a poly lower.
@Backwoods0G2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I should’ve clarified lol they also have a billet ke15 lower with a flared magwell
@Richardjohnson69694 күн бұрын
The vents should have never been downward facing. The magwell will have no improvement vs a lower without one. It’s going to vent into your mags and kill them one by one. Get a side venting BCG. There’s a reason downward vents aren’t a thing.
@ReticentIndignation2 ай бұрын
Malfunctions?! Now I'm interested! Hopefully this weekend I can try the mock 12 upper.
@armorers_wrench2 ай бұрын
So what actually happened? Did it start splitting at the feed lips or does it just need to be cleaned or something?
@mysteryman333332 ай бұрын
The KAK down-venting BCG probably gummed up the followers and springs in the mags. The down-venting BCG does foul mags a bit quicker than a traditional side-venting BCG, so you have to clean your mags more often. Not a big problem with double stack mags, but I can definitely see it being a problem with quad stack mags.
@JDangly2 ай бұрын
Too much friction = not good
@PureCountryof912 ай бұрын
@@JDangly especially in plastic. It'll groove and lock itself up when heated and abraded
@HeathLCK2 ай бұрын
The first time I saw this setup advertised, I was like "that's gonna be a fail".
@SS-tr5ru2 ай бұрын
D60. The gold standard
@fullm3taljacket2 ай бұрын
Seriously. Whoever has ever thought this idea was valid once the D60 came out, let alone made a freaking specialized lower for it doesn't merely have a screw loose, but indeed all of his screws are still in the shipping container from China. Talking to you DesertTech good idea fairy.
@msquared96052 ай бұрын
Coupled Pmag 40’s 👌🏼
@narutobroken2 ай бұрын
@@fullm3taljacket I got attacked by dessert tech shills who said this was revolutionary and that D60s were useless.
@idontwanttoputmyname4032 ай бұрын
The use case, I would imagine, is D60s kinda suck to carry on a standardized loadout in quantities greater than “I have one in my rifle” thanks to their shape. A bunch of the Quattro mags in, say, a grade of SPUD pouches might be more useful.
@joecentral-o99842 ай бұрын
There's a reason in over 100+ years of cartridge guns that we stop at ABOUT 30rounds... Feeding reliability and magazine size would be my guesses. Otherwise go beltfed.
@stevenkennedy41302 ай бұрын
Click-a click-a click-a. Not a good sound when you're expecting a bang. Thanks for the share!!
@chuckfinley31522 ай бұрын
Another bounced check? /s
@antpassalacquaАй бұрын
Really wanting to pick one up for a range toy
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
That's what it kinda is right now.
@Clockwork0nions2 ай бұрын
Yeah I really don’t believe anyone who said these quad-stacked mags were reliable.
@RichardCranium3212 ай бұрын
It's almost like venting hot carbon into plastic and springs is a bad idea... *ALMOST* as if it was meant to be vented outside the receiver through the big open hole cut in the side. All jokes aside, is this a fail of the qmags, a fail of the BCG, or "yes"
@dependablekit55002 ай бұрын
So happy I didn't go ahead and buy that lower and mags great video though!!!!!
@Slay_No_More2 ай бұрын
I guess the goal of the product is to get a quad stack in the same profile as a 30 right?
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Yessir
@Slay_No_More2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp are the surfire quads as bad as they say? I get the fact that they stick out a lot further however.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
@@Slay_No_More I haven't heard good things about them either.
@papapoonpoon2 ай бұрын
Totally awesome Larping session wasted!
@rouchenelvann2 ай бұрын
Watching this has me aggravated as hell. Lol. I would’ve been gave the lower away after so many failures even if it were spread out over months.
@TheMonty08122 ай бұрын
Then you would have found out that the KAK BCG has caused issues with other mags as well and wish you wouldn't have been so quick to blame the lower/ mags 🤣
@RuKuS2222 ай бұрын
Rest in pieces
@last_raven2 ай бұрын
Shoulda just called magpul
@briancunningham50112 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 hope they sponsored this one
@jason91notch2 ай бұрын
Idk if it's so much the K-Spec killed it as it is the fact that Desert tech just sucks, lol.
@johnb.64682 ай бұрын
I’m getting ASC 308 mag vibes here
@theayeguy52262 ай бұрын
Entertaining, but I was hoping for some commentary during the vid too.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
There will probably be another update video in the future.
@sonofmandalore2 ай бұрын
This thing is a straight gimmick and nothing more.
@EricBrownWins2 ай бұрын
Proprietary usually means dumb.
@shannonmarcantel79932 ай бұрын
Quality and innovation is spelled KAC.
@CByers-lh3zq2 ай бұрын
Dang- you hate to see it happen when a company innovates or tries something novel. I wonder how many rounds it took until failure. Would certainly like to see a 'post op dissection/analysis' and spring check on the mags, because I bet all that down-fed suppressor gunge didn't do any favors to the chonky mag springs. I'm also wondering if you'd get the same problem with the Schmeisser 60 rd coffin mags, or even the Magpul drums- with that much debris getting blasted inside. Or, heck, do 30rd mags eventually have the same problem?
@IndependentArmz2 ай бұрын
yeah, kinda. but we already had 40 round 60 round 100 round mags that ran fine. So, Idk really. It always seemed doomed to fail either way to me.
@noway66332 ай бұрын
@@IndependentArmz Point me in the direction of the 100 round mag that runs fine.
@andreivaldez29292 ай бұрын
They probably run better than these tbh.
@beck4218Ай бұрын
DT should stick to bolt guns.
@GraizenBrann2 ай бұрын
I was getting frustrated for you lol "C'monnn POS" 😂☠️ Now imagine this was Frontline footage....yikes.
@robertkaschner16552 ай бұрын
I pre-ordered a Quattro lower as soon as it was an option. Months after every KZfaqr got one, mine showed up. With half of all the holes positioned and sized out of spec. So I sent it back. And got the replacement a few weeks ago. Which is better but still has loose holes for the hammer pin. So for 300 dollars, I had to wait almost a year for a lower that still has shit tolerances. Quad stack mags are great in concept. It just sucks that such a shit company with zero QC and slow service had to be the one to bring it to market.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Ouch sorry man.
@SS-tr5ru2 ай бұрын
This is my shocked face…
@gulkash11882 ай бұрын
They magged too close to the sun
@briancunningham50112 ай бұрын
Looks like these mags cost a small fortune in malfunctions
@flinchfu2 ай бұрын
Magpul, Lancer and basic GI STANAG is all I mess with.
@flinchfu2 ай бұрын
Oh, duh, it's a damn quadstack... No wonder. ONE SPRING+ONE FOLLOWER IS SUFFICIENT 😂
@epicfortnitekid85362 ай бұрын
Lancer mags are the yeezy of magazines i aint gon lie
@PureCountryof912 ай бұрын
@@epicfortnitekid8536 don't drop loaded .308 mags.
@mac79772 ай бұрын
I'd gave up about 5min into it. Just so I wouldn't get mad and do something dumb.😅
@joneifer89872 ай бұрын
You stuffing ammo back into a non-functional mag and wondering why it malfunctioned. 😂
@cjadkins52972 ай бұрын
I would've started throwing part's away after the 10th failure to feed
@albertptran2 ай бұрын
Crap, i have a downward vent bcg
@Zel_eo2 ай бұрын
Tonight on reinventing the wheel for no good reason...
@thomasowens31352 ай бұрын
Lots of malfunction clearing practice at least.
@Tyler_K132 ай бұрын
rip chonk mag
@protectpersevere20302 ай бұрын
Oof
@BensonGumbald-se4st2 ай бұрын
The intro song is a banger haha. What's the name of it?
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Mass effect elevator music
@BensonGumbald-se4st2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp noice
@hopewilliams67052 ай бұрын
Struggle bus 🚌 go
@jwbennett40092 ай бұрын
Wow that's a horror show
@IndependentArmz2 ай бұрын
All that jazzy gear on, and the gun won't run. Put's off kind of a dif vibe
@andreivaldez29292 ай бұрын
It's the magazines. They're quad stacked so they have a more complicated follower+ spring setup. They're for the proprietary lower he's reviewing, but I've seen other videos where people are having similar issues with the mags.
@CHOPPASLUGBM2 ай бұрын
I love a good malfunction
@LordSStorm2 ай бұрын
Sorry can you explain the cause here?
@noway66332 ай бұрын
He was firing the rifle over gassed with a downward venting bcg (shits out all the carbon directly into the magazine) while also running a high back pressure suppressor. Despite what you might be hearing from all the tards in this comment section it's enough to kill any magazine that's more advanced than a basic Pmag given enough rounds. I.e. he created an abnormal and unforgiving set of arbitrary conditions which artificially induced failure. While pretending it's natural.
@andreivaldez29292 ай бұрын
Magazines use a different follower + spring setup because they're quad stacked and it seems they're prone to binding in the magazine body.
@joecentral-o99842 ай бұрын
Theres a reason that the guy in Vegas used surefire 100s...
@jakegrube94772 ай бұрын
no the GUYS in vegas used m240s, dont forget that the photos of the room the alledged shooter was in have only a handfull of brass and barely any magazines to be seen
@user-mj1vb8jr6j2 ай бұрын
@@jakegrube9477bingo, that was helicopters, and 240’s or something. Not to mention all the people who tried to ban together on social media to explain the truth who all died randomly. Talking 24 year old women having heart attacks years before the COVID vax was ever introduced to the public. It was Saudi Arabia, the 4 seasons, and helicopters.
@jalowery12462 ай бұрын
Dam.
@PhuzzPhactor2 ай бұрын
Bump
@prototype3a2 ай бұрын
McFly ?
@MyLonewolf252 ай бұрын
What dogshit are those mags made of if this killed it? Gimme a d60 from magpull any day. Plus 2 d60s fit wonderfully in a saw pouch
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I think the followers are just more sensitive.
@RickySkelley2 ай бұрын
Bolt carrier issue
@andreivaldez29292 ай бұрын
The bolt carrier is making the follower stop feeding halfway through a mag? Crazy 🙃
@noway66332 ай бұрын
@@andreivaldez2929no the increased fouling in the receivers and onto the magazine is you absolute twit. Caused by the BCG.
@jonboyhst64482 ай бұрын
WD-40 is all you need. joking
@narutobroken2 ай бұрын
These quad mags are cringe
@theunofficialresults2312 ай бұрын
Wow, a me first moment.
@josiahaddair46822 ай бұрын
Those look like hot garbage I would have gave up already.
@danielsimpson12252 ай бұрын
Paper weight…..
@flopus72 ай бұрын
but Karl said this would make an American RPK! actually would be sick if it had worked
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Which Karl?
@flopus72 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp the bad one in Arizona
@Lookingoutthere2 ай бұрын
Hahaha just plain crap😂😂😂😂
@tizben2 ай бұрын
All hope for a civ lmg platform have been destroyed
@joecentral-o99842 ай бұрын
Belt fed?
@jakegrube94772 ай бұрын
d60s still exist, just use canteen pouches and theres always 40s
@andreivaldez29292 ай бұрын
Bruh, this isn't your only option. Like someone else said: D60s, 40 rounders, etc. Fuck, I'm sure the 60 round quad stacks that were already available run better - and at least they don't require you to use a proprietary lower too.
@Tomcat972 ай бұрын
Almost like it was an extremely dumb concept or something lol
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I like them trying I guess.
@TheMonty08122 ай бұрын
I love your videos... but I think your title and video is misleading, considering you don't even mention the KAK BCG with the down vent in the title. Then, you flash the BCG down vent info on the screen for 15 seconds and never mention it again. Makes it seem like these mags are trash without being clear that the BCG is pumping hot, dirty carbon into the mags. The BCG seems more to blame than the mags, especially after seeing one of the other commenters had a similar issue with the KAK BCG using PMAGS...
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I updated the title. in my defense Before you see anything I theorize that the KAK BCG killed it.
@TheMonty08122 ай бұрын
@FocusTripp That's really cool that you take feedback objectively. I think adding that to the title was a fair thing to do. Your videos are great, BTW! You're quickly becoming one of my favorite sources for good "2A related" content because your vids are entertaining, informative, and unbiased. Keep up the good work!