They should make a 30 rd Q mag. That would be super low profile.
@Mitsurugi24244 ай бұрын
That would be slick. 30 round mags that fit flush/close too flush in the receiver.
@thebadlander36084 ай бұрын
Legit tho W idea
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
They would be so short lol
@roflchopter114 ай бұрын
Maybe a 40 round, then.
@GunFunZS4 ай бұрын
Not quite the same but if you haven't tried out the tork mags you should. They are really solid and well-designed. Most people get hung up on the silliness of the 50-round mag. But the real money is in the 35 and 40 round mags. The 35 is basically the same size as a standard PMAG. The 40 is significantly shorter than a Magpul 40. Because of their clock spring combined with a normal spring system you don't get as much absurd mag pressure with a large capacity. So basically you end up having a 35 or a 40 as your standard Mag. You can tell the springs are good because they don't have trouble with even 50 rounds of 300 blackout subs.
@TUKByV4 ай бұрын
It's interesting. Perhaps they will reconsider the FA cut and maybe nixing that integral QD socket for one of those 2- or 3-socket end plates
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
The need to FA cut it at least
@jalowery12464 ай бұрын
No full auto cut. Strange.🤔
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Agreed, bully them into compliance
@djgunner2583 ай бұрын
Does this mean no FRT compatibility?
@milesrost66744 ай бұрын
Interesting design choices... not full-auto cut, left side QD cup, obvious mag wobble/issues... I'd be interested in purchasing a Gen 2/3 iteration after a little more engineering is done. Thanks as always for all your work. Also, thank you Desert Tech for tossing your product to a reviewer you KNOW will be no holds barred. - Godspeed
@stephenedwards50634 ай бұрын
The silence after “it’s not full auto cut” says it all lmao. What’s the point of the lower if you skip The most important feature. They claimed they wanted to create a BETTER design for support weapons that allowing more reliable magazines but internally they chose to limit rate of fire. I also feel like they should’ve made the Standard magazine feature built-in. Even if it added a few additional parts and size being able to slide a button that pushes the polymer into place would be more user-friendly than needing to keep two random polymer pieces in your pocket to utilize standard magazines
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
It's actually 3 pieces, one of them being very small. Also, they need to be bullied into compliance
@Mitsurugi24244 ай бұрын
You run that Binary like a fucking legend!
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Thanks :)
@IndependentArmz4 ай бұрын
The only G-tube channel I still believe will tell me the truth good bad or ugly. Thank you kind sir for not selling out. You will be rewarded in the long run.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
:)
@albertptran4 ай бұрын
Hop too
@Lungorthin666Ай бұрын
I appreciate the Halo background music
@Mrgunsngear4 ай бұрын
🇺🇸
@protectpersevere20304 ай бұрын
Cool video and thanks for testing the upper! That being said I’ll probably stick with coupled 30 rounders
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Probably best for most people
@msquared96054 ай бұрын
Step your game up and couple two 40 rounders together
@protectpersevere20304 ай бұрын
@@msquared9605 yah that’s another option
@msquared96054 ай бұрын
@@protectpersevere2030 my justification of that is I get 80 rounds for less than $40 with just a 2 second reload after 40 instead of 60 rounds for over $100
@protectpersevere20304 ай бұрын
@@msquared9605 yah makes sense especially for just a starter mag being 80 rounds
@actionjksn4 ай бұрын
I like it and it mostly solves the reliability problems with quad mags. I will not personally be adopting this system but if I was rich I would probably get at least one. I did catch the D60s on sale a couple of years ago and got 2 of those and I think they are pretty awesome. The biggest problem with the D60s is that they are more difficult to carry, I think someone needs to make some carriers that are specifically made for them. What I have decided for a use case on them is to just keep one in the rifle and then have several regular pmags for reloads. In almost any extremely unlikely scenario that I might potentially encounter, a single D60 will be enough. If not then I can stuff a couple of pmags in both back pockets, which has me with 120 rounds within about 5 seconds of preparation without any special carriers. I'm not crazy about the price of the binary style triggers but I think they are pretty amazing considering you have to be rich to have a full auto. That is something that I may eventually budget for. The bump stocks are kind of a stupid novelty, but the binary type triggers are actually useful I think because you can maintain accuracy.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
The binary trigger is something that I will go into more detail on in the future. I also think a D60 + 30s is ideal
@oddspaghetti42872 ай бұрын
On the AR-15 rifle the magazine feed lips contact the upper receiver which functions as an excellent over insertion stop.
@taylorfreeman55044 ай бұрын
I’m loving the concept man! Great info!
@joehuff40252 ай бұрын
I secured several 60 rn mags by Surefire several years ago. Best high cap mags I’ve found. Their 100 rounder is is well worth the money. None of them are cheap.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I have heard mixed things.
@KD-lb9bg3 ай бұрын
This would be a no for me but I enjoyed the video as always, thanks.
@RichardCranium3214 ай бұрын
Just a thought, but maybe they need to make adapters that bolt directly to the 30rd pmags instead of the magwell... include one with each 53 round mag at purchase but also sell them individually. End user doesn't have to modify lower to run the mags they already have. I don't know a single person that has an AR but doesn't have pmags, and at $8 each its kind of a no brainer.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
But then how do you store or hold those 30 rounders
@timowens72144 ай бұрын
For the algorithm 💪🇺🇲
@popinmo4 ай бұрын
we need a 3d printed lower for this badly
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
I am sure people will make it happen.
@flavortown37814 ай бұрын
Definitely coming, Hopefully it's super safe
@walkercustoms4 ай бұрын
I like the idea that if I really want it, it's available. I've toyed with the LMG AR idea in the past. This could be a good option for that. Ultimately I would only buy it for that though.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Well that is what it's for.
@supertonyjr890312 күн бұрын
30 vs 53 sounds like a big difference until you realize that 45 mags exist and aren't that much more cumbersome. From 45 to 53 there is an 8 rnd difference, it's just not worth it considering you'll need a new lower and full magazine loadout apart from less reliability and proprietary parts.
@yagopone740417 күн бұрын
I really want this since halving mag changes is a real, tactical advantage, even without full auto capability. My disappointment is in the current reliability and the poor solution for standard mags. It seems like their target audience are police departments which will only need to worry about mag interchangeability with other policemen. For me, I'd want instant mag compatibility with any AR system.
@leanit57564 ай бұрын
Hey brother, judging by the background, it looks like you left the communist State of WA ? Maybe moved over to ID?
@isaakjunkeer7854 ай бұрын
Think he moved to South Dakota when Washington went to shit.
@wildcat85984 ай бұрын
@@isaakjunkeer785based👍
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Yessir, South Dakota
@leanit57564 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Awesome, Happy for you. I will be packing up as soon as I retire.... a few more years.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Good luck man!
@kmessiah123 күн бұрын
Magazine aint the only one on that raw milk in this video
@TheOuroborosWyrm4 ай бұрын
I can tell how front heavy that build is every time you bring it up from low ready. No criticism, IAR do be that way, I suppose. Just good to know I'd be getting my curls in at the range. Pretty cool you're the only one I see using the Quattro receiver for it's most obvious purpose!
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
They are a couple dudes out there putting it to good use
@wildcat85984 ай бұрын
Pretty cool. Definitely a niche item for plinking but for anything realistic I’ll stick to 2-40rd Pmags and a coupler
@Mitsurugi24244 ай бұрын
I'd run a D60 in the gun and a few 30s in an lbv. Easier to prone out with the D than a 40.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
My issues with the 40s is prone shooting
@joshmuirhead11542 ай бұрын
I’ve been trying to bully them into compliance for making an extended mag from the 70 to 80 range. Make noise people, this is a doomsday rifle!
@user-pd2ew1xg3u4 ай бұрын
Cool for a binary trigger
@kellym35314 ай бұрын
How about a 750rd P Mag that doubles as a walking stick - shooting tri pod. Use it for weight lifting in between shooting sessions. JK of course.
@billymaze47334 ай бұрын
I want one but won't get one until the receiver has the full auto cut.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Bully them into compliance
@connormckay94294 ай бұрын
And the based train keeps rolling
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Ain't stopping.
@geminiclouda.d7554 ай бұрын
Moo Pawaaa...!!!
@Bigcat7264 ай бұрын
I felt in theory if this was applied to the m27iar it would be nice, but I think it complicates things for logistics and other reasons but your set up is pretty cool
@jasongaudreau20754 ай бұрын
Ok for all the fuss and muss (without, we’d end up with stagnated technology AND no competition making manufacturers become complacent with their sub par products) my ethos is: 1: never pay for a mag extension that costs more than a mag itself…I:e; pmag 30 is anywhere from $10-$20…and 2: don’t pay exorbitant amounts for untested, gimmicky hi cap mags. My personal solution is pmag 40…$17.99 @ lgs…and strike industries “E.M.P.” which is a +5 extension for pmag gen 3 (which the pmag 40 IS). For a total of $9.99. So in completion my 45rnd mags are $25-$30. And feed consistently. 2 items of note…fully loaded are HEAVY! And obviously adding length to an already long 40rnd “stick” mag. I’m considering the pmag 60 drum but heard it’s a pain in the @ss to load and not 100% reliable. And at $100…I can have 3 of my 45 setups, and if I use a coupler…have 90 on weapon.
@LyleH-134 ай бұрын
not buying mag extensions that cost more than a mag is a pretty good rule. just buy mags exception being competition if you absolutely need a longer mag
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
The long mags rule out prone shooting which negates one of optimal shooting positions for N LSW
@jasongaudreau20754 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp ya, exactly the reason I only own 2. Mainly for when I wanna be lazy without mag swaps. If a drum ever made it to market with 100% reliability and an easier loading function, I’d be game. This one you’ve reviewed seems like a great idea…needs some work, that’s why we gotta keep pushing for technology to grow!
@homerj1094 ай бұрын
First!
@ericanderson5244 ай бұрын
Would really like a binary trigger review/recommendation, thanks
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Soon enough
@camoandplaid4 ай бұрын
Love the dramatic pauses on this one…. No full auto cut…🤷🏼♂️
@stevenkennedy41303 ай бұрын
Thanks for the share!!
@hopewilliams67054 ай бұрын
This reminds me of suomi coffin mags except double feed
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Never tried them
@popinmo4 ай бұрын
we really need a 120round mag it shouldnt be all that much longer then the 40 rounders
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Maybe a 75 round mag.
@xxxlonewolf494 ай бұрын
The PKM we have at home....if it was CUT properly...
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Bully them into compliance
@CaveLife6524 ай бұрын
Huh? Welp, just like everything in the civilian AR world, if somebody dreamt it up, somebody will buy it. Are you going to doing a Echo Sport review Jon?
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Yessir
@thephilosopherdiabetes4 ай бұрын
Something I’ve been wondering about is chopping the buffer tower off one of these lowers and sticking under a perun x16 or some mcx type deal
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Maybe, that's a expensive test piece though
@thephilosopherdiabetes4 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I saw someone do it with a jakl and that’s what gave me the idea lmao
@TheJZackT4 ай бұрын
A bit of graphite dry lube down the mag will help with the mag reliability
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
some maintenance is always a good idea.
@thebaldfox7114 ай бұрын
Now review the WLVRN!
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Maybe baby
@narutobroken4 ай бұрын
I just don’t see the use case when the D60 exists
@compted104 ай бұрын
Have you tried carrying multiple D60 mags?
@MrNpc814 ай бұрын
@@compted10 nailed it
@protectpersevere20304 ай бұрын
Drum mags are more finicky than regular in line mags
@compted104 ай бұрын
@protectpersevere2030 I think people neglect the complexity and tighter tolerance. With regular cleaning, they seem to be 100%. I wouldn't use a k spec down eject bolt with them.
@Mitsurugi24244 ай бұрын
@@compted10 You run a D60 in your gun, and 30s in your rig. In the fantasy firefight, you engage and suppress with your 60 at the start of it, then just run 30s. 9 30s would carry more ammo than 5 of these 53 round mags, and take up the same amount of room. 8 30s and a d60 in the gun would more rounds on body. Yeah, its more reloads. But, if you run 53-60 rounds and still need more, you live an exciting life. Contrary to movies and video games, you typically suppress to break contact or maneuver. So, its not likely you'd be running 260-300 rounds down range as fast as you can unless you're just BSing at the range.
@ColeDedhand4 ай бұрын
Comment and tu for Al Gore.
@connormckay94294 ай бұрын
That gold barrel looks awesome
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
It's a cool build.
@MugenZeroX4 ай бұрын
Every time I see a video about the quattro lower, I'm like but what if you put an arrpk upper on it lol
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
I should get one
@LordSStorm4 ай бұрын
Can you find out if DT plans on a 308 version?
@LyleH-134 ай бұрын
I HIGHLY doubt that.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
They should!
@danielmacdonald83584 ай бұрын
Need idea but I don't think it'll catch on I don't have a problem with 40 round in the additional 13 doesn't justify the cost difference for me anyway
@Mitsurugi24244 ай бұрын
It's cool, but I don't see it's practicality. It's as thick as 2 30 round mags, but only holds 53 rounds. Because it's thicc you HAVE to have deep pouches on your lbv/carrier. I mean, it's not as chonky as a D60...but, for the fantasy firefight where you need to dump mags, you'd probably be better off running a D60 in your gun, and just carrying 30s on body. If you're still in it after 60 rounds, you're probably more worried about breaking contact( if alone), or helping a buddy flank around. Either way, I love the content. Gonna use you next time I get optics.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
For the average person 1 D60 then swap to 30s is probably ideal
@tonytable15374 ай бұрын
Really thurough coverage of the Q mag, most ive seen to date. Unfortunately, it still hasnt laid to rest my biggest esoteric curiosity of the Quattro: Will it 458 SOCOM? Probably not, but I might have to grab one and fiddle with it one day
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
I doubt it would 300BO well, so 458 is not gonna be a good idea me thinks.
@tonytable15374 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Interesting, figured 300 Blk would be easy for most .223/5.56 designs (excluding some bullet choices of course) Is there a concern you noticed that outshines the others, or a combination (spring strength, feed angle, internal geometry, etc.)?
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
all of it, the mag has so much extra room and 300 has less support so I think that would be a bad idea.
@garnerblair51793 ай бұрын
Should be GTG for 277wolverine and 25-45.
@ghijkl4 ай бұрын
We have gilboa snake at home?
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
I think the Gilboa is a joke.
@garnerblair51793 ай бұрын
Need two gilboas back-to-back with these . Quad stack , quad .
@EricBrownWins4 ай бұрын
No matter how many KZfaqrs do videos about this thing I will continue to think it's stupid.
@LyleH-134 ай бұрын
we all WANT to like it....But.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
If you don't have a actual use case for it, it is just a gimmick.
@rc-pm1fe4 ай бұрын
thx for doing this review as i am in the process of making a piston upper like an m27 with this lower. So im guessing the echo sport trigger overall was a no go?
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Sometimes it go, sometimes it no go
@hkp20009mm3 ай бұрын
This is not a Franklin Armory binary? It's the fostech?
@FocusTripp3 ай бұрын
@@hkp20009mm fostexh echo sport
@hkp20009mm3 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp thank you. You have an ambi lower you'd recommend for a binary trigger?
@FocusTripp3 ай бұрын
@@hkp20009mm I don't have any specific recommendations no.
@robertkaschner16554 ай бұрын
The concept is great. Too bad Desert Tech doesn't deliver on their promises well. I pre-ordered one. After exceptionally long delay, I received mine only to find it was the single worst lower I've ever gotten. And I've purchased some real trash in the past that required some machining to make function. Imagine my disappointment when my $30 Andersons are perfect, the nearly $300 DT had trigger pin holes 5 thou too big and safety holes located incorrectly. And they signed it as QC inspected! Sent it back as RMA a month ago and have received zero communications since.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
You must've had one of the first ones.
@mtnbound27644 ай бұрын
is changing a 30 rnd mag ( or 40) really that hard?
@HugeCockAndBalls4 ай бұрын
Wat
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
No of course not. More rounds is more rounds. This is just another in between option for higher volume of fire systems.
@mtnbound27644 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp yeah totally, it was a somewhat sarcastic comment. look, i appreciate companies trying out new stuff and pushing the envelope so to say, i just also cant see how this makes sense for the vast majority of people. keep up the great content! i love your videos even if its not something im going to buy.
@PhuzzPhactor4 ай бұрын
Bump
@CatDaddySteve4 ай бұрын
In today's video Another Rifle, just like all the other rifles
@AvocadoAtrocity4 ай бұрын
But this one is more riflely 🥰
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Nu uh
@spydercomonkey4 ай бұрын
Was the mag binding malfunction with brass case ammo or steel? And how many rounds did you fire overall relative to # of malfunctions? Thanks.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
All brass. 1200-1500 rounds in 30 days with I believe 6 or seven malfunctions.
@spydercomonkey4 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Wonderful, thank you. I've been scouring the internet on the Quattro for a few months, you're the first to report/document a malfunction with it. Do you recall how many were fail to feeds vs the mag actually locking up like in the video?
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
@@spydercomonkey 3 mag lock ups and 3 or 4 failures to feed in about 1200-1500 rounds
@spydercomonkey4 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Super good info, thanks. Thats definitely a little concerning reliability wise. Which is a shame as I was so hopeful for these. You mentioned in the video you thought they would end up being comparable to the D60 in reliability, have you had those jam comparably as well?
@keithgregory33014 ай бұрын
Um hmmm
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
mhmmm
@xxxlonewolf494 ай бұрын
Nice idea, but that the parts to make it use one of the MILLIONS of normal pattern magazines is huge problem for me.
@southmountain11114 сағат бұрын
Got my lower with a mag for 200
@aktideracer87103 ай бұрын
American RPK
@tehflemin4 ай бұрын
I wanna pair it to a .300 jakl upper 😊
@BUB8LE52 ай бұрын
The Q Mags will not work with 300 Blackout
@21AttackMac4 ай бұрын
The problems you’re having seem to be problems that should have been recognized and corrected before distribution…… Then again, consider how they went about developing their mdrx.
@Caligari874 ай бұрын
Everyone complaining about the full-auto cut when you can't legally make it full-auto unless you're an SOT and you should have the equipment and know-how for that already. DT didn't want to get in trouble with the ATF, and you know they have a full-auto version for sale to gov't agencies under a separate SKU and pricepoint. And if you can afford a registered DIAS or whatever, you can afford to have someone mill the lower for you.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Not the point :)
@Caligari874 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Then what is the point? Why does a full-auto cut matter unless you're planning on making it full auto?
@PlazmaZ518 күн бұрын
My one question is can you load larger rounds like .458 SOCOM into it?
@FocusTripp17 күн бұрын
Maybe? It almost assuredly wouldn't work.
@lance91504 ай бұрын
Thanks. I hate it.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
You are welcome.
@benbowditch92654 ай бұрын
A few things.. So you're saying the Qmags have "restricted for patriot use only" and the damn lower isn't even fa cut!? 🤡Also it seems the mags weeble and wobble, but don't drop free? Flared magwell that's also rather pointless because of double to single mag design.. I have 3 sets of 42rd Promags that are coupled together for fast changes, they still fit in my clamshell and bsg kydex mag holders (one obviously hangs out), and that's 252rd.. Sure you gotta swap 'em and you can't go as low prone.. But they cost me all of $75. Thanks for the honest review!
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
I think standard AR parts are always going to be the best option for the average joe.
@Awholeopinion2 ай бұрын
I see your q mag and raise you two 40rd pmags and a mag link approx $60
@Gundrium4 ай бұрын
Yeah... I'm still kinda butthurt about the mdr as well...
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Well hopefully the WLVRN is better.
@Gundrium4 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp and hopefully they're not too upset with your review... Maybe you'll get to review it...
@PrussianPushma4 ай бұрын
Offset a vector prism for me
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
If I had one.
@awesomeopossum46324 ай бұрын
I’ll still take my surefire quad stacks over this
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
Aren't those like $100?
@awesomeopossum46324 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp and designed so well that the only stoppages from military trials were the results of clapped out m249s
@JG-vz2pn4 ай бұрын
Seems like a w really goofy gimmick to me. I have 60s that run fine, and i can also use stanags.
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
For most people that is the way to go
@creepintheshadows4 ай бұрын
Zero interest in this product, just here for the Tripp. Keep up the great work
@FocusTripp4 ай бұрын
:)
@geoffwhite7693 ай бұрын
Weak to put out an opinion video on AR's and shut the comments down...Let's get to arguing
@FocusTripp3 ай бұрын
KZfaq is automatically turning off the comments. I have had to manually turn them back on three times. I am sorry if your comment got yeeted, it is unfortunately not up to me.
@SOCMMOB4 ай бұрын
Hard Pass.
@blue_ridge_shooting76683 ай бұрын
I feel like you normally do a really good job of reviewing and give things a fair shake. However, you missed the mark here. Your bias, being friends with someone at desert tech is on full display here. This is a dumb product, it will be a failure, and in 10 years people will wonder why it was ever made to begin with. John Patton from TCG has given the only honest review of this thing I've seen yet. I quite like your channel and style most of the time man, I really do. But I highly recommend moving forward, you avoid reviewing desert tech products due to your inability to be objective when looking at them
@FocusTripp3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback man!
@nunzionapoli63254 ай бұрын
Expensive trash gimmick... Hope they paid you well..