Squish plop squish plop squish plop

I am convinced that Dave and Dan's failures were NOT from a lack of competence, they just stopped giving a shit. That's worse.

Its also pretty cool that Tywin is disemboweling a stag since stag is the animal of house baratheon.

Came into the show the same way he left it: loosening some bowels.

It’s actually really smart introduce Tywin in a scene with Jamie. If he were introduced in a conversation with Tyrion, the audience would immediately hate him for treating a favorite character cruelly. Seeing him treat Jamie, who until then was one of the most despicable characters in the show, makes you like him a little, even though you know you shouldn't.

You know it's ironic; if tyrion wasn't a dwarf he would've been tywin's favourite child

There is a few things about the stag that you didnt mention here that are important for Tywin's character. The fact he is gutting and skinning the stag himself reveals not only that he doesn't mind dirtying his hands but also shows how much of a micromanager he is. He has to be on control so much he can't even pass on the task of cleaning the stag to a trusted servant, because there isn't one he trusts. It shows his methodical nature as well as he is very careful in how he makes each cut and when he does certain actions like peeling back the skin or removing guts. It also foreshadows how the Lanasters will be dethroning the Baratheons as the stag is missing its antlers, its crown. And it foreshadows how they will piece by piece tear the kingdom that the Baratheons currently rule apart. The final aspect of the stag is that Tywin keeps his focus on it for most of the scene. He puroosefully does so to further put Jamie in his place. Tywin is subtly saying Jamie is beneath not just him but also this dead stag. It forces Jamie to compete for his attention and he can use it as a way punctuating his points. He timed when he was removing the guts. Normally they are removed after the hide or before the hide but Tywin does it mid way. He does it after he brings up, not Jamie, the topic about Ned Stark. He already was aware of what his son would say and wanted to make a point to his son. It is also the same reason he made the comment about saying something clever. He is fully aware of how his son thinks and behaves so uses that knowledge to get what he wants. It shows his hypocracy again and how he cares more about their family name than their actual family. Anyways just some things I noticed and wanted to share.

Tywin was _such_ a breath of fresh air when he was introduced. We were so used to seeing the Lannisters as these larger-than-life types. Jaime was pompous and cocky, Cersei was a medieval Karen, Tyrion was this womanizing, alcoholic know-it-all, Joffrey was a sociopathic spoiled brat. And the very first time we see Tywin, he delivers his lines with this exhausted sigh of "Fuck, how many of your messes do I have to clean up today?" His presence was great and really grounded the rest of the Lannister family. It says something that the show's quality dipped _noticeably_ after he died haha.

I think it's important to notice that Tywin refers to Jaime as being "blessed" in multiple ways. Even when he is pointing out his son's abilities and power, he doesn't really give credit to Jaime himself.

Tywin’s character is very much a result of his childhood. His father was weak and was openly mocked by people that were supposed to serve him. Whenever Tywin tried to correct the issue, his father would shut it down and make them look even worse. So when he became lord after his father, he immediately and ruthlessly established who was in control. It’s said that Tywin never laughs because he spent his childhood hearing everyone laugh at his father.

I love how after watching this scene I could immediately conclude that though Tywin, Tyrion, and Cersei all hate one another the one thing they have in common is the fact that they love Jaime, all for different reasons.

I always liked how Tywin recognised when it was preferable to work with the protagonists. Not only is he critical of attacking Ned Stark here, he sees sacking Barristan Selmy as a massive mistake: "And dismissing Selmy, where was the sense in that? Yes he was old, but the name of Barristan the Bold still has meaning in the realm." This elevates him beyond being a standard villain and contrasts to his sheer ruthlessness.

The fact that Tywin has his back faced when speaking to Jamie throughout most of the dialogue.

"I could care less what people think of me" Ugh! Such a pet peeve of mine! I COULD care less means you care. I COULDN'T care less is what he should have said.

Tywin just dominates every scene he's in. He's so threatening and menacing in every way possible. Charles Dance was snubbed an Emmy. For real.

Charles Dance himself has a very charismatic character. He's also Emhyr var Emreis' VA (in witcher 3) and he just like Tywin is cunning and memorable

It's also interesting to note that in the books, it's Randyll Tarly who was skinning a stag whilst intimidating Samwell into taking the black. It's both a father-son dynamic, with albeit similar characters, Tywin and Randyll are hard, prideful men with spoilt sons. It was easy for D&D transpose that unto the Lannisters.

Littlefinger and Varys don’t have many “onscreen” moments in the book and only one conversation so it’d be cool to hear your opinion on the show only exchanges on the show

I love how he's first introduced butchering an animal by himself, pretty much showing he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty.

Tywin's hypocrisy isn't his fatal flaw, his cruelty is, especially his hatred of Tyrion. I always saw Tywin sleeping with Shae as less to do with anything about her, and more about knowing it would hurt Tyrion the most out of anything he could do. Even if you don't see it that way, Tywin's crude dismissal of her in full knowledge that Tyrion was enraged by it was what really pushed him over the edge. Though of course the novels did this better with the reincorporation of Tywin's utter cruelty toward Tysha, an innocent third party whose only crime was sincerely loving Tyrion, and I suppose you could argue this is hypocrisy on his part as well, since he does his best to seem above it all when he's more than willing to most likely scar an innocent girl for life just because he knows it's the one thing that would hurt his son the most. And when Tyrion realizes this, that's what drives him to go kill Tywin

Ah the glory days

I love how Dance and Coster-Waldau play off of each other in the scene with this dialogue. Jaime reverts back to a child when in the physical presence of his father, with or without his blade, his armor and his acerbic wit.

This is a bit of an aside, it's really interesting to compare this conversation to the later scenes Tywin has with Arya (also D&D originals). He has the same traits as mentioned but it's shown through his interactions with his generals. When speaking to Arya, a nobody, who he only perceives as "girl" (even a girl with a conflicted backstory) he approaches the situation less as a domineering force and more as a mentor. When Arya falls short in their verbal sparing Tywin corrects her mistakes and they become learning opportunities, rather than simply ways to make her inferior. I always found their conversations very interesting, they gave Tywins character more depth. I can imagine him being that way with Jamie and Cercei when they were younger, before they became his abject disappointments. Of course it's easier to gain someone's approval when they have no expectations of you what so ever. But none the less, I always liked the more subtle parental aspect of Tywins character.

Also notice when Jamie says "Arrive within a fortnight or be branded an ENEMY OF THE CROWN" Tywin stays unflinching

Always hungry for more Tywin. I remember being genuinely excited when, within 10 words of his dialogue, I knew exactly who Jamie was speaking with. I was so confident they were going to write him well (and for the most part they surely did)

"Explain to me why it is more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner" See to me, that line doesn't just highlight his lack of honor, but his understanding how how farcical that system is. The former is only defensible from a romantic point of view, not from his cold/efficient one, or a general humanist one. This of course is one more thing for him to exploit, since he understands his power exists because it has been built and maintained, and that he has to continue that, rather than his power existing by dint of being a Lannister (which circles back to his interest in resolving Tyrion's imprisonment, as it continually weakens the House's, and so his, power).

I love how in every video including Tywin always has the sentence “Now we see that Tywin has full control of the conversation”.

This scene is adapted from the books. There is a similar scene when Sam is discribing his father, telling him to join the Night's Watch. Randyll Tarly is skinning a deer while he explains what will happen to Sam if he doesn't go to the wall willingly. "Three men-at-arms had escorted him into a wood near Horn Hill, where his father was skinning a deer. “You are almost a man grown now, and my heir,” Lord Randyll Tarly had told his eldest son, his long knife laying bare the carcass as he spoke. “You have given me no cause to disown you, but neither will I allow you to inherit the land and title that should be Dickon’s. Heartsbane must go to a man strong enough to wield her, and you are not worthy to touch her hilt. So I have decided that you shall this day announce that you wish to take the black. You will forsake all claim to your brother’s inheritance and start north before evenfall." “If you do not, then on the morrow we shall have a hunt, and somewhere in these woods your horse will stumble, and you will be thrown from the saddle to die… or so I will tell your mother. She has a woman’s heart and finds it in her to cherish even you, and I have no wish to cause her pain. Please do not imagine that it will truly be that easy, should you think to defy me. Nothing would please me more than to hunt you down like the pig you are.” His arms were red to the elbow as he laid the skinning knife aside. “So. There is your choice. The Night’s Watch”-he reached inside the deer, ripped out its heart, and held it in his fist, red and dripping- “or this.”

RIP Tywin- I almost forgot how great of the character he was. The best part of the show died with him

I just wanted to point out that "siring secret bastards that his king has to raise" is my favorite dialogue of 2020.

Great work, as always! I was hoping you might analyze some of lady Olenna's most famous burns, in light of Diana Rigg's recent passing. She was a true legend and embodied that character perfectly.

The moment of dialogue I always go back to during the early days of GoT is the one between Cerci and Robert when they talk about their marriage and the death Robert's betrothed. In GtO there never seems to be enough conversations of equals especially between men and women. But then you saw a glimpse of what could have been the King and Queen's working relationship and it was fragile but toxic but neither was afraid to say what they really wanted to.

I like how Tywin is getting his hands dirty in the scene. He isn't afraid to hunt/kill, or clean the carcasses, politics or otherwise. Also, the first lines from Tywin? Excellent introduction.

I swear, if I hear guts splatter one more time...

Tywin: *Says another* Savage Books: "Let me explain to you why this is perfect." (Just for the record, I wholeheartedly agree)

It may be worth noting that Tywin gutting the stag is a literal representation and foreshadowing for what the Lannister's do to house Baratheon. They killed the stag (Robert) They gutted it; When Renly died they took the Lion's Share of his forces. And assuming they kept the fur they could wear it. Disguising Joffery as a Baratheon. I might be over analyzing here, but there seems like there's a lot of symbolism on the table here.

This to me looks like George's handwriting and his skill as a screen writer. The first 4 Seasons when GRRM was still involved where the best, and then it started dwindling. While 5 and 6 was not as fantastic but still good, D&D were fumling for straws when in 7 and 8 they actually had to tie stuff together. In my opinion they tried to imitate what George did, but superficially. They didn't understand the depth and layers of this. That it serves more than just the scene and immediate circumstances. This is why the last seasons are missing in substance and look like a bad copy covered in shiny effects that essentially mean nothing tho

I also find it comically hilarious that Jaime, being who he is, is standing there, armored and armed with a glinting sword, and there stands Tywin, in a shirt and leather vest, holding a simple knife, and yet he stands dominant in the scene, not only by words, but by action. He is disemboweling a deer in such a showcase of violence in comparison to a king's guard that the audience is drawn to the act of Tywin cutting open a dead animal rather than the fact that there stands a warrior in the very same room.

It’s because Tywin has the strongest daddy energy, and we all need that right now. You keep putting out these half-hour videos, we’ll keep watching them 👏

Listening to your breakdown and how you dissect this dialogue in particular just earned you a subscription. I am very excited to see what else you have. Addendum: My favorite part of the scene is that the actor playing tyron is actually skinning a dear pie That's dedication to your craft.

When Tywin scoffs at Jamie as Jaimie says that the kill wouldn't have been clean, I always understood it as it was Tywin's way of saying "So your so called 'code' prevented you from killing a wounded man simply because *you* weren't the one that injured him so it wouldn't have been 'clean,' but it didn't prevent you from attacking THE *Hand* of the *King* in public and broad daylight for everyone to see? --You completely incompetent imbecil." without actually saying it.

I am not sure this was written by D&D. I heard several times that GRRM was heavily involved in the early seasons of the show so he might have written all the good stuff that is not in the book. It makes no sense that D&D used to be very good at writing and suddenly lost their brain cells to write the last seasons

I would love to hear someone dissect the literal and metaphorical relationship between Tywin Lannister and Gregor Clegane. Just reread AGoT and one scene, where the Mountain suggests tearing out their scouts’ eyes for missing an invading force and handing them to their replacements so that “two pairs of eyes might serve them better than one,” Tywin glares in what Tyrion interprets as either disapproval, or satisfaction-he can’t tell. I’ve been wondering what use such a violent, and dangerous psychopath might be to a smart and cautious man who likes to be in control. And it occurred to me that the Mountain is proudly on the outside what Tywin is secretly on the inside: cruel. He keeps that monster on a leash somehow, and unconsciously, maybe he sees it as leashing his own carnal compulsions?

D&D did a fine/great job when they were adapting and writing the occasional scenes. You just have to look at the Varys/Baelish, Joffery/Margaery, Tywin/Arya or Olenna scenes to see that. I just think that when they were writing the whole show they had no skeleton which they could add to and they also didn't have the time they needed so the writing suffered.

Not to mention Twyin is butchering a stag. The symbol of house baratheon. Subtext being how he will kill butcher and consume that house to get what he wants.

Half of this scene was taken and inspired from sam's back story regarding how he ended up on the wall.

"Are you going to say sonething clever? Go on, say something clever." - a rare case of good non-GRRM writing in the show.

I can't help but notice the amusing symmetry between Tywin pulling out the stag's intestines and the way he himself died.

Great video and analysis as always, but, I have t take issue with two parts...1.) Tywin does somewhat care about Tyrion. He claims NOT to, and clearly resents him being a dwarf, but, Tywin is, in the books, presented mostly from Tyrion's POV, and Tyrion is an unreliable narrator in that he resents his father. Tywin always gives Tyrion opportunities that he squanders, and when Tywin is unimpressed or critical, Tyrion perceives it as unfair and rooted in resentment. In Clash of Kings, Tywin is clearly trying very hard to motivate Tyrion, and treats him no differently than he does Jaime or Cersei (as we see from their pov's). Additionally, Tywin resents Tyrion more for being a drunk, whoring, acting entitled and sarcastic/combative, as well as being taken advantage of marrying Tasha (from Tywin's perspective), but Tyrion mistakes it for hating him for his dwarfism. 2.) As to the hypocrisy regarding Tywin, especially bedding Shae, there's lots of subtle evidence Tywin DIDN'T bed her, and Varys framed the scene to take advantage of Tyrion's wroth to assassinate the central figure standing in the way of his (Varys') Aegon invasion. We know Shae worked for Varys, we know Varys "accidentally" showed Tyrion the stairs at the base of the Tower of the Hand, we know he led him there, and we know Varys was the one who implied Tywin used to use tunnels for whores. We all but know Tywin was poisoned by Oberyn, and Tyrion says when he found Tywin in the privy he'd been there for some time...given that, he was in no physical position to be having sex with Shae. His resentment and disgust for whores seems genuine (based on his father's example, which is the catharsis for his Lannister house pride hangup), and even IF he was actually hypocritical enough to utilize whores, he wouldn't want Tyrion's sloppy seconds. Further, in the chapter scene, he (Tywin) makes no mention of her, which may just be him deeming her trivial and beneath him, but may also imply he had no idea. Tywin may have been a hypocrite, but imo it's just as likely he was set up (in the books).

I think there is another key part of Tywin's character, hypocrisy. He gets enraged at Cersei for committing incest but he was married to his first cousin. He ridicules Tyrion for sleeping with prostitutes while he does the same. Had his daughter-in-law gang-raped by 100 men, if word ever got out about that it would have affected the Lannister name much more than Tyrion getting married to her. Forced his daughter into 2 unwanted marriages for political power but refused to do the same. He ridicules Jaime for caring about what others think about him but Tywin cares about what people think about the Lannisters.

I love your analysis, but there is a subtle detail about this scene you either missed or skipped. Jamie’s first few lines reading to the summons to Tywin, he stammers a bit. It can easily go unnoticed on a first or second watch, but it implies Jamie having a little trouble reading. In season 2, it’s revealed that Tywin taught Jamie to read, and he struggled to learn. This is significant because in season 2, Tywin says, “He hates me for it, but he learned.” This scene is essentially the same thing. Tywin knows Jamie will hate him for pushing him, but he’ll learn.

7:28 This also highlights why Cersei(and Show!Euron) as the final functional antagonist after S6E10 didn't work. Everything that had happened in the series to that point had put her in a position to be dangerous as a result of malicious desperation, eating into time all life in the world does not have. Instead, the showrunners chose to magically bend the scales of the universe and ignore all of the previous developments in order to make a "war" happen. As a result, the conflict based around such ridiculous retcons was absurd and unbelievable

21:00 "...so that the audience can understand their motivation and endgame." I c wut u did there.

Back when D&D actually cared about the show

This is good writing, but made better by Charles Dance and his delivery. So underrated.

Those characters who were slaughtered in the first 6 seasons were the lucky ones.

I’m sorry but all I’m paying attention to is the splashing sound of guts when he says “Lannister’s don’t act like fools”

This scene was always one of my favorites and Tywin one of my favorite characters. In nearly every scene, there's always the environmental subtext as well - in this case gutting a stag while talking about gutting House Baratheon whose sigil is a stag. Later, he's catching trout by the river while talking about how to catch house Tulley, whose sigil is a river trout. In the scene with Jeoffrey, he walks up stairs while talking about the king having to walk up stairs ... it's just soooo good.

While I have no intentions to write, your content helps me appreciate scenes and as a side bonus you're making my table top characters even better.

This is indeed an excellent scene. In a matter of seconds we get a strong sense of who Tywin is like, as a person and as a father, and the relationship between Jamie and him. I want to know what you think of the "Orson the Beetleslayer" scene.

Brilliant dissection! I loved it. Two things I noticed myself upon a rewatch: Tywin starts his conversation for Jamie with a non-sequiter. Jamie is commenting on Ned's actions, seeking his father's support...and Tywin responds with a side-step. He never passes judgement on Ned or reaffirms Jamie's opinion of Ned because that is what Jamie clearly wants. So Tywin ignores his opinion and sidesteps his expectations at every turn. He is control and his relationship with his son is toxic and flawed...and it's all shown from his first sentence and how it doesn't connect to Jamie's. Secondly, when Tywin does 'compliment' Jamie, notice the things he compliments are beyond Jamie's control: his house and his youth. It reaffirms that Jamie is just an asset to him, not a person. Fantastic writing...just a shame it all went downhill.

This writing isn't all D&D. They *did* write this, but under the stwedarship of George RR Martin himself. GRRM was heavily involved with the show during that time.

Charles Dance needs to portray Grand Moff Tarkin.

Okay why is 90% of the dialogue *"Lannisters don't act like fools."* ?

This is my favorite scene in the entire series. I'm so glad you finally did this! I have something to look forward to after work. Thank you!!!

Can you please do a video on ALL of Arya and Tywin’s interactions at Harenhall

Not a screenwriter. I love your videos as a songwriter because they are great at helping me distill ideas. Structure, themes, subtext. It’s all the stuff you’re always hammering on. I write instrumentals and your examinations of dialogue are spot on for writing and editing my own non-verbal work. So, thank you!

One of your finest videos, I just LOVE how deeply you dived into Tywin's first two sentences Goes to show how much can be done with clever writing! Thank you for the content :)

I adore Tywin's character and Charles Dance. I also liked his work on the Witcher 3 as the Emperor. His vocal clarity and tenor make for incredible dialogue in my opinion.

This is one of my top favorite GOT moments. Ever since you started your analysis on Tywins conversations I’ve been praying that you would do this one, and you achieved perfection. Thank you please continue to do more Tywin moments please, he is the best character in the whole show

Thanks for your insights & verbalizing what I scarcely grasped as I watched these scenes. *_TRUST !!_*

I really love these dialogue dives! The longer the better. Keep it up!

Your forgot about deer (Baratheon) and the guts (hands dirty) but also he sharpens his knife like he sharpens his WORDS before talking with Jaime, he never looks at him until he say something "high" to take control and he does not destroy the deer he takes the fur between quick and slow, the most efficient way as Tywin thinks

More Dialogue Dive videos please! I absolutely love this.

Thank you, man. This video was great. I'm writing a historical novel at the moment and you've really helped me in a scene that I was struggling with.

On a personal level, Oberyn was my favourite character; but on a how well the characters were written, Tywinn and Ollena were my favourites

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Interesting, if late, fun fact, the first book actually had a (flashback) scene between father and son where the father is taking apart a stag. Namely between Samwell Tarly and his father Lord Randyll Tarly of Hornhill, where Randyll tells his son to either join the Night's Watch so that his little brother can become heir, or he and Samwell will go the next day on a hunting trip, where sadly Sams horse will stumble, fall over and Kill Sam in the process. That at least will be what Randyll is gonna tell his wife. Randyll accentuates his threat at the end by ripping the stags heart out, holding it towards Samwell.

Your videos are awesome, man. You articulate what we're all unable to. I was never able to articulate why certain parts of the show are great while other parts suck, it was all just based on feelings that I couldn't really explain. I didn't know why I liked some scenes more than others. I think you put words to it all very well.

I live for your dialogue dives!!

As someone who also adores both words and Tywin, I really enjoyed this and you've gained a subscriber. Please keep doing what you're doing!

Aww shit! I been waiting for this one. Thnx homie @SavageBooks

Such a great dialogue dive!

Excellent breakdown!

Every iconic villain has a back story introduced to understand his motivation and end game

I'm sooo thrilled to watch your video. I've been obsessed with this scene which is one of my favourites of GOT. And something that I found very well thought out is that Tywin does not need to strip an animal. He comes from one of the most respected houses, especially at this time, so this task should have been given to a person with a lower status. However, they decided to show him in this manner, which is an excellent way to make us understand his character. I found the scene full of subliminal messages. It seems like he is constantly using his son to be at his standard which makes us automatically understand that he is dominant. The actors are so good in this shot. You have a new subscriber here 👌🏾

Nearly halfway through the video. So far we have heard exactly one of Tywin's lines.

Your channel is so damn good. Originally came for the Bojack videos, stayed for everything else.

I will watch your videos and watch them 100 times each and smash the like button everytime if you only do dialogue dives from great stories like this.

One of my favourite aspects of the song of ice and fire/game of thrones was the way GRRM used the animal sigils of the houses and symbols of the characters to explicate and foreshadow the developments of the entire narratives in emblematic tableaux - eg Tywin skinning the stag (methodically dismantling Robert's empire) seen here; the direwolf pups (Stark children) released from their mother (Eddard) as a result of her death from a stag (Joffrey); King Robert slain by a boar (gluttony); the Twins symbolising the parallel plots - overt and covert - which intertwine in the Red Wedding (new alliance emerging from the betrayal of the old alliance); Joffrey using widowmaker, the sword (legacy) forged by his grandfather from the Stark ancestral weapon (Ice), to cut up a one-of-a-kind history book (Tyrion) and a pie containing live doves (Sansa), subsequently poisoned when the Queen of Thorns drops a crystal from the jewellery of Sansa (her simmering hatred masked by elegance) into his wine goblet... I'd love to see you unpack the way GRRM used symbolism, especially in the first book but with diminishing effectiveness throughout the series.

dude i love your videos, your insight is excellent

We live in similar worlds, I adore this scene and your She Forgot clip got you an instant thumbs up

I'd love to see another dialogue dive on one of Tyrion's scenes, given how much great dialogue he has in the early seasons and that he ultimately learned more from Tywin about how to "play the game" than either of his siblings ever did, making him just as skilled a manipulator as the father who was so ironically unable to see his value despite that fact.

You don't have to apologize for teaching. That sorry gave me great insight into yourself. Be confident and brave. Your worthy.

Wow! I've seen a few of your Game of Thrones dialogue vids and my interest has only grown. Thanks for sharing. 🌟

So good!! Love your work!!!

You have so many views because your content is excellent. The time, thought and effort you put into each video shows. You have worked hard and earned every one of them. 😉

So well explained great job!

Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin is sublime. I can't imagine anyone else dojng justice to the character

He is also skinning a stag which isn’t just him getting his hands dirty but a symbol of house Baratheon