wow. My wife goes crazy with how much research and prep I do before tackling new projects. I can't wait to show her this. I'd offer props to the homeowner for trying, but this was pure negligence. Do your homework bro.

Brutal! Gotta suck it up like the rest of us and watch 50+ hours of shower install videos before even buying the first product.

Props to Eric for attempting a shower build on his own. I did two in my own house but I spent countless hours at KZfaq university learning everything I could to make sure it was done right and most importantly didn’t leak. Tile Coach was instrumental in my self training. Eric appears to have great humility to let you guys film the evaluation process and discussion.

Ohhh boy that was a rough one. Props to hime owner for allowing you to film. Glad you were honest and props for trying to help out

Tile coach, you went above & beyond in how you explained the mistakes to Eric without judgement or criticism and then to offer to get your suppliers to donate materials and then to coach Eric on how to do waterproof & tile correctly. I don't know a single tile contractor in my area who would go out of their way to do that. You set the bar high on how to lead the industry! My hat is off to you.

I have huge respect for you and Eric. He humbled up like a man and is going to be better for it. You did a solid and handled it like a pro. I really appreciate this video, I know how tough it is to talk to people when it's their work that is inadequate. I'm an electrician that lives in Placer county and I'm working on my master shower right now. Pray for me 😅

@Eric (homeowner), props for letting the Tilecoach dissect the DIY. Any of us who attempt things on our own - would probably have turned out the same way.

Sometimes we make money, sometimes we make friends. You’re Blessed Zac. We need more tradies like you in the industry… Stay blessed man🙌🏽🙏🏽💙

You can't blame Vevor for the homeowner not pitching the pan or the pony wall properly, and for not using thin set. And why does it matter that you were able to pull the membrane off the foam? I can do the same with more expensive systems. I say this because some of my clients cannot afford the more expensive shower systems, and saving $600 is important to some people. I've installed many Vevor systems without any issues. Like everything else, follow the manufacturers directions.

Let this be a lesson to any who attempt amatuer shower installations/bathroom renovations. You must binge watch evey tile coach video at least two times prior to commencing the project.

A tile guy with good bedside manner. Giving the customer the bad news in the nicest way possible. It's awesome of you to see about getting somethings donated by your suppliers. Been watching your videos and you are the type of contractor that makes me proud.

Props to the home owner for realizing he was WAY in over his head. It could have been a much larger disaster had he actually used that shower for any length of time. A for effort, F for implementation. I've done a lot of construction in my life, and it's best to let a professional deal with things that can cost me a significant amount of money in the future if I eff up. I've done a few showers, and they're good to go, but I'm a better plumber than a tiler. Water proofing and tiling a shower is an art. One that I have not mastered....yet. :) I'll keep watching Mr. Isaac in the meantime.

You are such a nice guy., they way you walked home owner through the mess he made was so gentle and at the same time you pointed it all out. Good job! God bless!

Very kind of you to help this guy. Hopefully he will understand the value of a trained professional from here.

Great informational video, I just finished my shower and what should have taken me two months took me four lol and my wife was on me about getting it done. That’s the first time I ever did tile work and it turned out pretty amazing but I was very cautious on everything I did and get the proper slope. I did have a good buddy of mine come over and show me a couple things when I got stuck and he help me out. And, of course, watching all your videos helped out tremendously. I don’t think I ever would’ve attempted to tile a shower/total gut job without watching your videos.

Kudos to the homeowner for the DIY, but definitely looks like DIY. He's a good sport.

It’s a great deal. Getting knowledge in person from great installer.

Dude in situations like this. It may not seem like it at the moment. But your a blessing. You saved buddy from ruining his home. And you told him he made a terrible mistake very nicely.

That Barry Bonds t-shirt is legit!

THANK YOU ERIC... honestly thank you.. I was just about to attempt a shower on my own in a can build and I am like NO WAY now.. just no way! Well done for taking receiving this really disappointing news (allowing the video to circulate so others could benefit from your mistakes before making them as well -again thank you so much for being so humble and open) and I hope you totally got hooked up and now have a wonderful shower that will not cause mould or leaks in the future thanks to the Tile Coach.. Thank you tile coach wow I'm only five video's in but I have already learnt so much.

You handled that well, shower systems require a lot of knowledge so not the best diy project. Glad you could help him out.

I once had a bad dream that was me having to tear out a freshly installed shower that I built,It was an absolute nightmare, I was so relieved when my Alarm ⏰️ went off !!!!! 😅

I’m so glad you are helping him and guiding him so he can do it the correct way

Isaac, I'm looking forward to watching the follow up videos on this project and the eventual outcome!

Eric is a gigachad for putting himself on blast like this. Embarrassing failure. But from failure is forged the most satisfying success.

that is a perfect example of doing the right thing,offering to help rebuild this enclosure and give pointers is a stand up thing to do.sometimes in business you have to do the right thing props to you.

I know this is not your first one, and probably not the last one. But thank you so much for these videos , so we can point our customers on the right track where they can be educated about certain systems in this case the Vevo. You can see the home owner was proud of his work, but hope he appreciates the thousands that you saved him in damages related to the moisture and mildew. Because it is not only material if not health wise. Thank you coach.

Each time I watch you your always so humble to people that made honest mistakes man . I wish you lived closer I would definitely take your tile couaching class . I love watching over KZfaq and such but i learn better hands on . Wish there was more people like you in the world it would definitely be a better place bro !!!

The guy gave it try. The conversation was very uncomfortable to hear. As a viewer, I felt uncomfortable. But, there is a great learning opportunity there. Great work Coach and I hope the homeowner loves his future shower.

Whoever did the shower in my house (before I bought it) left me with less of a mess than this. Thank you for the educational videos. I hope I can report good results soon.

This is exactly why I’ll be doing a coaching session, or three. If I lived in Nor Cal I’d hire tile coach to walk me through the entire process from start to finish.

This was UNCOMFORTABLE to watch but very informative 😂

Props to him for manning up. BRUTAL!

It's amazing how many shower pan fails there are. Seen all fails in all houses I've owned.

Nice honest critique of the homeowners foul up. Hate to say this, but a little research would have saved that guy Eric from a lot of headaches. Glad He has someone to point him in the Right direction. More props to Eric as He recognized His bad and reached out to someone to help.

Very well handled! Feel sad for the homeowner as well since they put a lot of time and effort into it. Better to find it all out now than down the road when there are structural issues and possbile mold. There is always a silver lining. God Bless!

Super informative...excellent examples and explanations! Thanks for sharing.

I bought a similar clamp drain system from Amazon. Installing it in a few weeks. I know about the liner and how it should be installed but it’s always good to get a refresher.

That was tuff to watch, but brutal honesty is needed sometimes!

kudos to the homeowner who recognized its not going to work and called a pro

This is how my first tile job looked like. Now after ten years I'm much better and everyone in my area want me to instal tiles for them. Just practice and every mistake is a lesson.

I love how he says he will see what can be repaired or saved. He knows god damn sure that is a total rip out and nothing getting saved.

Dude….. I’ve got a lot of respect for this guy for letting this video go out to the world! Important for homeowners to realize tiling is difficult!! He learned a lot and will either do better next time or know how to vet a contractor if he goes that route.

You do a great job at crafting your feedback to be constructive

As a DIY'er I've never understood trying to build my own shower pan. Its the most common failure point and when I did my shower I knew prefab would be the way to go so I could mitigate these problems in the future. This DIYer did an okay job with the tiling, but he shoulda known his limits.

love the fail videos, great to learn from mistake

Thank you for this video, I won't be buying a Vevor system. I'm learning how to tile set and will build my own shower. If I screw it up first time around I'll learn from the experience.👍

Bro i feel like im watching a reality tv show with these homeowner fail showers

This wouldn't have happened to me. I'm the complete opposite of this gentleman - I know everything and don't do anything.

Homeowner looks like he’s been sent to the principal’s office.

You should walk him through the process and record it. That would be cool.

Thanks for the amazing content! I'm in dry hot AZ., how long does deck mud have to dry before liquid membrane?

My man winged it!

I'm buying one of those higher end prefab shower pans. These videos make it such a headache.

I’ve used the vevor system with success. I’ve installed it when the customers buy them. It’s not the best which is why I still put a liquid waterproofing over it.

My first bathroom facelift was an absolute disaster. Did every part of the job at least twice because the first attempts were so awful. Soooo many times I did crazy-dumb stuff. I feel this guy's pain, for sure!

I like your flofx hat🤙

OUCH! Hard lesson. He’ll just appreciate it that much more once it’s done

I chuckle everytime I quote a shower and the customer thinks I'm too expensive. You get what you pay for my friends.

Great videos, have a question. I installed my preslope but some parts are chunky and not perfect leveled i have 1/4 to 3/8 slope. can I lay like 1/8 inch of thinset to level and fix the chunking parts. Thanks in advance

professionals are not confused about what to do.

Hey Isaac... Can you tell me how thick of a thinset bed a 1/4 x 3/8 square notched trowel will leave once I embed the 12x12 tiles into it? Trying to locate my valve in the wall and add up the materials. Thanks again! Jeff

TileCoach you’re really onto something here by interviewing DYI’rs about how god awful a job they did. The suspense moment will be the price on rebuilding everything.

I have a Vevor kit coming. Interesting stuff. The one I got has all the parts missing here coming with it. Less than half price of Kerdi, we will see. It does look like a Harbor Freight type of deal. I bought some weed cloth less than half price of alternatives, and it was acceptable, so that was my only reference.

It really looks like this guy did zero research for this shower. I'm getting close to installing a shower and I have been doing research on it for about a year now. I have done some floor tile install and it seems to be holding up great a year later, so I feel fairly competent at that, but all the other things like installing the drain and waterproofing still keep me up at night with everything that can go wrong. From the way everything from the tile to the drain was installed, and the products he used, this guy had to have been completely clueless on what he needed to do.

This may be the wrong wrong video to ask this question but is there a cheaper alternative to a floor leveler system. Where nonprofit trying to help out a disabled veteran who lost her home to a fire. We need to level the floor but before we install vinyl and it's pretty wonky. Kind of like how you can use bed mortor 8nstead of 4-1. Thank you in advance

hi i have stupid question,did you ever try to use ditra as liner with regular drain,not sure if they make ditra 5ft wide and just fold it inside corners,glue it to preslope and then use regular 3 piece drain and screw flange over ditra .seems most problem is with sealing corners and around drain, ,,,,if you dotn cut ditra at all it should work liek regular liner

moral of the story, don't buy knock-off shower systems if you've never built a shower before. The Schluter shower kit comes with everything you need including a beefy installation manual which makes it really DIY friendly.

wow..just wow..

Before I tear into all diy work, I want to give respect to this homeowner for owning up to what he’s done and learned from it. I do gotta say, there’s an epidemic of diy guys who get emboldened by the internet to then fk up a whole house to the point it just needs demolished. This cycle is too wasteful. Too many times I go to a job like this, the home owner has 5k in tools collecting dust in the basement, and I gotta make his shit show look nice by demolishing thousands in new failed work. At least he came to terms with the situation and called real builders whereas others just eat shit and finish an awful project. There’s a disproportionate amount of houses hitting the market with a miserable 3-5 year expiration date before critical failures turn the whole home into a lemon 🍋 and we shouldn’t stand for it anymore. Consumers who buy New construction should ask for documentation/pictures of the process and real builders should already make an effort to actively document their work. Once this is commonplace, the owner can easily identify bad work. This will discourage amateurs to either quit early on or get real help. I learned the right way by redoing any bad work at my own expense. For some people that’s not an option like this guy. He took a shot, then called the best pro for it. But for people trying to do this for the first time and want to build a career, be prepared to take responsibility. Then be prepared to offer cheap work until your work is timely and clean. Once you feel this work is second nature, then you have the right to expect your work to increase a homes value. Until then, it really won’t.

It crazy how so many people try to improvise a pan and drain. I ripped out a shower once that had roll roofing for the pan and walls. It lasted surprisingly long. Im curious if anyone has tried sheet membrane as a pan liner

What are your thoughts on go board? Not for the floor, but for everything else

Good try Eric, as a plumber I can say tile work is an art...

It is part 2 On this job pls?

Is it possible to get an update on this outcome?

So was the issue the vevor kit or homeowner error? The vevor looks the same as Schluter for half the cost

I used the Vevor with a liquid waterproof membrane!

How do I get materials donated? I'm gutting out an entire 90s style bathroom with a jetted tub and big window.

Excuse me. What type of ring was that?

What do you think about TileRedi?

I feel bad for this homeowner, this will be an expensive lesson for him. It is hard to understand when someone with clearly limited DIY skills jumps into an expensive and complex project like a shower. A beautiful and functional shower is possible as a DIY project but I would call it an advanced DIY and only for people willing to take the time to learn how to do it correctly, read all instructions, follow all the instructions, and correctly use all the materials involved.

Ouch!

So is it safe to say the actual vevor system did not fail? Seems it was just installed incorrectly

Did he say whether he flood tested it b4 doing the tile? I would assume no

But the guy at home depot said to use mastic and that he had been doing that way his whole life.

I’ve wondered about the vevo products. Even had someone ask me about them since it was cheaper. I told them that cheaper isn’t better when it comes to tile prep. Atleast I have a reference video if anyone else ask about vevo products.

Always my reply. I don’t do repairs. Only restoration

Mastic, grout & thinset pre-mixed would never be used by a PRO! The rain head is way too low.... Tough learning curve & $ for HO.... Tile coach to the rescue!

That has to be hard to look someone in the eye and tell them they did a horrible job. I've seen bad jobs but that is top 10 bad. Someone needs to tell him to never pick up a tile again.

I've built things since I was a kid so maybe I have a bias but I'm always confused how this sort of thing even happens in modern times? People seem to just fill up their carts at the box store then drive home and start installing with zero research. And that kit comes with a bonding flange, he could have just bought schluters adapter for a 3 piece.

Given the current options of one piece shower floors I have no idea why contractors continue to use old tile floors with all their associated potential future problems!!!!

Brutal.

Pretty sure Vevor is exactly the same as Kerdi, just half the price because they're not hosting contractors for 3 day all expense paid training vacations. Basing your opinion of vevor products on THIS GUYS install is not logical lol. Great video as always.

it was prob the mastic causing the waterpoof failure. Mastic sucks unless a kitchen splash.

Did the home owner do any research before taking on such a big expensive project

Do you recommend anyone in Spokane, WA?

A shower build is one heck of a challenge for a DIYer. Schluter and their counterparts makes it a little more dummy proof, but there is not enough content on the internet for a person with no experience to build a shower the old fashion way. Save your money and time. Leave it up to the professionals when it comes to building a shower.

How come you don’t video fixing the shower

This guy should have just watched Bob’s videos at Starrtile 👍

I’d like to see the shower after it was redone