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DOES HOMOPHOBIA DIVIDE OUR COMMUNITIES? | STRANGER FRUIT | S1E20

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STRANGER FRUIT UNIVERSE

STRANGER FRUIT UNIVERSE

Жыл бұрын

Is the LGBTQ community being used as a pawn for American votes and church offerings? In this second part of our series on Queer Safety, we explore the cost of homophobia. Does it leave our communities fractured and vulnerable? What role do straight people play? We get into this and so much more!
Tag #thestrangerfruit or @ us on social media to let us know what you think of the episode! Remember, conflict + compassion = empathy.
Featuring: Charles C. Patton (@charlescpatton), Juice Pierce (@juic3_nochas3r), Qween Jean (@qween_jean), Isaam Sharef (@isaamsharef), William Stallings III (@dukeofbeaux), Elijahdā Warner (@alishadayqueen) and Eric Ford (@ranger_up)

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@BuildCommunity
@BuildCommunity Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes yes yes. Homophobia/ queer negative views is a HUGE part of what keeps us from unifying. I always say: "If black and brown people decided to unite on a Friday morning to take back our narrative, land, and futures- we would be fighting our black and brown heterosexual counterparts over their HATRED towards us that same Friday afternoon"
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
Damn. Where's the lie tho?
@ayoq9956
@ayoq9956 Жыл бұрын
Eliana thank you SOOOO much for your vulnerability and allowing yourself to be an example for what it means to be a cis hetero person who is willing to take accountability to help make more space for black LGBTQ+ people. And Donovan, conflict + compassion= empathy. This is some powerful, powerful stuff right here’
@nyny.confidential74
@nyny.confidential74 Жыл бұрын
another powerful and groundbreaking conversation ‼️ us black vid gender folks have to do better for our black queer and trans kin💯. they’ve been here since the beginning of time and held sacred roles in various pre colonial African societies💘.
@jayj.6146
@jayj.6146 Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@dawnether8407
@dawnether8407 Жыл бұрын
Save for the one trans woman on the panel this was a very gay men centered panel. Where are the queer women, bisexual men and women, lesbians, trans men, etc.?
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
It's always the (sometimes unintentional) male privilege for me. I do like tho that the host gave the last word to the lady. He seemed to have had the emotional intelligence to recognize her silence and then invite her to share her perspective. I also love how everyone did not interrupt the silence until she was ready. It showed a level of respect that I don't think I've seen a lot of. Lawd knows even my trifling behind would have been trying to fill the silence with a joke or attempting to comfort her like I was a white knight or something.
@TheTonyspik
@TheTonyspik 4 ай бұрын
Well it's about homofobia. Not transfobia or bifobia. The only exclusion was lesbians.
@LooksByNaheemah
@LooksByNaheemah Жыл бұрын
Great conversation. I would love to see more queer representation on the panel though, queer women, bi men and women, trans men, etc etc
@dawnether8407
@dawnether8407 Жыл бұрын
As a queer woman I found it odd that they’re trying to prove their “value” by saying they have the answers to society’s problems when in reality, queer people should just be able to exist as people, the way that cis hetero people do. No need to be all knowing beings just because you’re queer. So weird that that statement went uncontested and everyone just agreed uncritically. The comparison to indigenous cultures was frankly just unnecessary too. That’s a WHOLE other culture from a different time, that we can not claim to emulate in the slightest and doing so is ridiculous and takes a lot of nerve to say the least.
@JM-nb9ci
@JM-nb9ci Жыл бұрын
1000% agree with you!
@eccentricleo4300
@eccentricleo4300 Жыл бұрын
Wow wow wow this conversation was so empowering enlightening and educational. I loved all of this thank you all for stepping up and sharing your experiences. Thank you for the work put into this. Happy pride month this made me even more proud to be a black gay man.
@monharris28
@monharris28 Жыл бұрын
Love it. I love the point about speaking up when you see this violence. As a teacher at a community college, I work to do this. I don't play. Everyone will be protected and respected in my class.
@ayoq9956
@ayoq9956 Жыл бұрын
“We have to live NOW for the future we wanna see,” “we come from a line of dreamers, but now it’s time that we see the dream realized!” Woooo! QWEEN! My black trans sista! 🏳️‍⚧️ Guuurrrlll! You was comin TRHOUGH at the end, DO YOU HEAR ME!? Sheeesh!
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
Firstly, what a lovely decor. The lights, camera work, the split screens for the panelists and also interspersing with stats too. Just exquisite. Shout out to the editor too. Secondly, while this was a good conversation, it's amazing how much little time (ie zero time) was spent on economic justice. How you gonna get to the club if you ain't got a paying job? Or you're not earning a living wage? Or have access to universal healthcare? All to say this conversation shouldn't be divorced from legislation and political activism either. Therefore folks should be in support of ppl like Dr Cornel West and Marianne Williamson for president because leadership is important.
@bernardwylie9760
@bernardwylie9760 Жыл бұрын
So, before we send people down a pathway towards casting an ineffectual vote in the next Presidential election, May I ask a few questions? First, is Joe Biden, his administration, or his policy proposals hostile to either African Americans or the LGBT? Second, regardless of their personal views, have leading Republicans such as 45 and Ron DeSantis demonstrated both in policy and in action that they will use the LGBT and Black communities as foils to drive up their support among conservatives, evangelicals, and the alt right? If the answer to those questions are NO and then YES, then I need the power of allyship of the first to fight against the tyranny of the second. Professor West, love the brotha, and Ms. Williamson, bless her heart, can’t give me that. Vote blue, if you know that is true.
@Kharyne
@Kharyne Жыл бұрын
“Don’t see me in you” !!!! Yes, we have a responsibility. ❤
@kaliha55
@kaliha55 Жыл бұрын
I can appreciate everyone's perspective. However, to state that they (trans/ lgbtqia) are the culture is ridiculous. You have learned from your mother's , aunties, sisters and grandmother's. Without them there would be no you. No reference point! you would not exist. I also believe the problems that your having with the community is bc as trans women. You have tried to replace or hold a space/ dominate heterosexual spaces. That can not happen nor will that happen. As women we have a right to our own spaces. You don't find this problem with trans men. They would not dare to occupy heterosexual spaces. Men would make examples of them. I personally feel everyone in society should be accepted/ respected and hold some type of space in general. Everyone who is black is apart of the community and has contributed to the community. There is no one entity that has pushed our community forward. I do realize all that has been talked about we need to create change in the home. We have so many things within our community that needs to be worked on. It must start in the home.
@Lets_Talk_About_it_Luv
@Lets_Talk_About_it_Luv Жыл бұрын
Eliana has such a pure soul. I really felt what she was saying and it was coming from a place of love.
@philipkingston3905
@philipkingston3905 Жыл бұрын
This really moved me. People living in a war zone.😢
@Darrius8946
@Darrius8946 Жыл бұрын
Loved the Grapevine! Looking forward to this.
@veronicapichardo332
@veronicapichardo332 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the work that you do strange fruit , love you guys
@mandyads
@mandyads Жыл бұрын
There was one part of this video that missed me entirely and maybe there is a decent explanation before I assume a negative conclusion, but the idea that queer peoples "have the answer" as if there is some greater essence of knowing they possess was really confusing to me. I understand that the challenges society can present to queer people can result in them to develop unique and valuable skills (i.e. learning to live outside of norms), but I thought that was a strange statment. Being born with a sexual/attraction preference, in my mind, has nothing to do with being able to help society reach a greater level. There are plenty of knowledge an dlifestyle sectors that exhibit living outside of Western norms. If anything, if it weren't for societal hate and rejection, there wouldn't be a queer community like we see today and everyone would naturally keep their sexual preferences to themselves. I'm of the opinion that sexual preference has only become an identity because of the social handling of it and the need to connect to combat that negativity. Outside of our societal state, it would be very strange for people to use their sexual identity as a marker of anything other than what it is... let alone having some type of answer for society at large.
@ayoq9956
@ayoq9956 Жыл бұрын
And the fact that you missed it means you missed the point. You see it of course doesn’t mean that because of our sexual orientation we have all the answers but because of our UNIQUE EXPERIENCES, we hold a key and piece of the puzzle that will help to make the world a better place BECAUSE of our experiences that we have. And a lot of times through out time and history it has always been through the experiences of those who have been marginalized in the world that we see what is LACKING in the world. And once we see what is lacking we correct it, which causes us to move one step closer into a greater evolution as a human species and bring harmony to the human race. But we are definitely still out of tune, but if we all keep working and doing our part, in our own respective lanes in life, we will all be singing in the right key eventually, thus we will be all singing/ living in HARMONY. 🎹
@shaunw638
@shaunw638 Жыл бұрын
Oh you heard it exactly how it was stated and they meant just that. They even followed up with the fact that lgbtq people have an innate ability to have the answers. The person who responded to you was gaslighting you. While their words had some truth it dismissed what your concern was which I also share and it is valid. They even said they are the culture. That part is absolutely insane and unacceptable.
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
​@@ayoq9956🙄all that snark and you still didn't address the concern or share any contemporary example or historical figures that can prove your position is right.
@dawnether8407
@dawnether8407 Жыл бұрын
yeah i agree that was a really weird statement that lacked self awareness and critical thought. i think it’s weird that they’re trying to prove their “value” by having the answers to society’s problems when in reality queer people should just be able to exist as people, the way that cis hetero people do. No need to be all knowing beings just because you’re queer. So weird that that statement went uncontested.
@mandyads
@mandyads Жыл бұрын
​@@ayoq9956 I can understand the premise of what you are saying. However, our statements would essentially be saying that all marginalized people in societies across the world could have, potentially, the same drastic influence. It threw me off because the same speaker that intro'd the point also referenced how ancient "two-spirited" peoples were worshipped in specific indigenous communities. I'd actually argue the premise of that statement is taken out of historical context anyway, but that's why I had such a visceral response to it. To claim ascension to that degree felt extreme. Even though I can admit that many marginalized peoples have unique and valueable tools to aid society, I see it more plausable that those tools be useful at an individual and small tribal level. We'd have to assume that the marginalization was overcome, processed, transformed into valuable tools, and then dedicated to society... and that's assuming the person in question has developed non-related skills (i.e. discussions like these impact a miniscule portion of society, a person with nuanced perspective would also need the individual skills, temperment, and resources to become a societal leader for greater impact). Not to get too much into clinical psychology, but the typical temperment of someone invested in societies social expansion is usually opposite of the temperament of someone invested in society's industrial expansion... for great society change in the way we are discussing, the person would need to possesses the temperament and trained skills of both - incredibly rare. The majority of society will never meet this level of self-actualization and productivity in their lifetime, marginalized or not.
@SHIVAAAA100
@SHIVAAAA100 Жыл бұрын
I think one way that we can come together is by focusing on the things that us queer people have in common with our heterosexual counterparts in the community. I think there is too much emphasis on who and how we have sex and THAT being the identity. We also too can’t forget that African culture in general is conservative and there has to be a middle ground. We cannot force our ideologies onto others as a way of them “understanding” us, that doesn’t work. If we as queer people want unity we have work to do as well. It’s not as one sided as I once believed.
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
What kind of work could queer folks do that wouldn't involve cowering in order to appease folks that fundamentally don't respect queer existence?
@dugebuwembo
@dugebuwembo Жыл бұрын
4 get the straights, we just need to get our shit in order & live our lives honestly & truthfully.
@SHIVAAAA100
@SHIVAAAA100 Жыл бұрын
@@dugebuwembo I'm not mad at this response at all. Its about putting our mental health first as the young man said in the video.
@MessyGurlGardens
@MessyGurlGardens Жыл бұрын
the way you y thank everyone by name is such a powerful ritual. Modupe for y’all’s perspective.
@thestylingtwins
@thestylingtwins Жыл бұрын
❤Donovan!!! Thank you for all you do !
@chocolateladycap2773
@chocolateladycap2773 Жыл бұрын
That was excellent point Eric made!!
@shaunw638
@shaunw638 Жыл бұрын
Uhm I would really like someone to explain further the comments about lgbtq people being the culture and the answer. I’m sorry but I took issue with that because you are basically exalting yourselves over straight people. All blacks people are the culture so don’t try and write straight people out to uplift yourself.
@marthamutale387
@marthamutale387 Жыл бұрын
As always, love this, and thank you.
@dre_withwithout
@dre_withwithout Ай бұрын
King Mwanga II of Buganda (present day Uganda) was openly gay in 1835 (eighteen thirty five) 😂 So the argument that homosexuality is “unnatural” or a weapon brought upon African people to lessen our numbers is wild. Especially considering homosexuality is part of every walk of life from the human(animal) to all the others we think we are better than.
@vinnie22ify
@vinnie22ify Жыл бұрын
I'm at work crying . . .
@cristianjames
@cristianjames Жыл бұрын
Same I had to go on my lunch brake to finish this episode
@Drehgab
@Drehgab Ай бұрын
Some queer cis women on the panel would have been nice, great chat though
@stefaniegueye693
@stefaniegueye693 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤
@raequinn9986
@raequinn9986 Жыл бұрын
So many people do not understand how the lgbtq community are treated like African Americans in the 1960s. I hope it won’t be many people who look back 20 years from now regretting their stance on lgbtq PEOPLE today. You all matter. I see what you’re going through. It makes me emotional too, sad and angry. Bc I’ve never been more uplifted by a person as I have by the lgbtq community. I am straight, but y’all have always helped me raise up my chin and love myself. If your voices could be heard more, society could have the confidence it’s missing.
@strangerfruituniverse
@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! This is means a lot to read and take in. The positive vibes are received and we are sending them back to you. You are amazing. We would love to repost your comment on socials. We can do that with your handle or anonymously. Please let us know, but thank you so much again.
@raequinn9986
@raequinn9986 Жыл бұрын
@@strangerfruituniverse My KZfaq notifications are always off, so I’m just now seeing this. I would love for this message to be shared. It’s amazing how you can see that I mean it. It can be anonymous or not, whatever looks more aesthetically pleasing for your platform. We just need more people listening to your work. Thank you both, specifically for your content
@carysteele61
@carysteele61 Жыл бұрын
💛💛💛💛💛💛
@kylewhittle6565
@kylewhittle6565 Жыл бұрын
This needs more diverse opinions. It needs a more conservative voice otherwise it’s just 6 people agreeing with each other.
@yasinradee
@yasinradee Жыл бұрын
No we dont. Their opinions are just wrapped in hate and an unwillingness to gain an understanding.
@ayoq9956
@ayoq9956 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it’s not about having a opposing voice for BLACK LGBTQ people to JUST have a conversation between themselves and get things off their chest that they have been holding in for YEEEARSSS. It’s not hard to find an opposing opinion just watch the news, keep scrolling on KZfaq, on Instagram, on TikTok. For black LGBTQ the opposing people and opinions are always there, trust me we are no strangers to it
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 Жыл бұрын
Esp another cis women who can give a different perspective and then by the end we can all come to a better understanding of each other.
@kylewhittle6565
@kylewhittle6565 Жыл бұрын
@@ayoq9956 well newsflash there are many LGBTIA people who are conservative in their views. And these people deserve to have a voice too.
@rejectionisprotection4448
@rejectionisprotection4448 Жыл бұрын
It should've been less gay male centred. There was just "G" representation and the LBT+ wasn't represented. If there was, we may have heard more diverse opinions.
@jojoco9840
@jojoco9840 7 ай бұрын
Y’all couldn’t find one lesbian to have on the show? Just a bunch of men talking per usual
@obsidianromance34
@obsidianromance34 4 ай бұрын
Dang y’all got no queer females: only green dress repping for us?
@taty9872
@taty9872 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but straight is the default should violent songs be played no but the reality straight is the default
@JamesJones-ABC
@JamesJones-ABC 11 ай бұрын
BLACK AMERICAN ISSUES ARE NOT THE SAME AS LGBTQIA ISSUES PLEASE STOP
@maeveHeyoka
@maeveHeyoka 9 ай бұрын
White trans and queer people need to be there to force that first privileged step into these potentially dangerous spaces. We are out of fckn time to keep playing these games with this world let alone our own community. Transgender people are the largest interracial coalition. Based on the life we live period. We need to step in and step out of the way. I promise there are those of us who do know where the soul of culture comes. The blood of the country even. Too many people have taken fraudulent superiority. It’s our job as white trans/gueer siblings to thrust your nominations to their rightful leadership roles. I’m so sick of it. ALL LIFE IS SACRED. Even the lives of a perceived enemy. These are life lines of solidarity that cannot be crossed
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