First... have to say your channel is great man. It’s very informative. Definitely go with quality coil overs over lower springs, their worth every penny. After your first set of coil overs you’ll never think twice again.

I need to say this..... Back in the early 70s ALL MOPAR GUYS GOT ALONG GREAT IT SEEMED. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS FOR HELPING TO BRING IT BACK.

Okay my friend, you're a newbie at this. Don't take offense because you're learning! I'm glad that you joined the foray of modifications and hot rodding that is great to see it continue. What you're experiencing is wheel offset. You're going to have to find the right wheel setup to get your tires tucked in more than likely roll your inner fenders for clearance to maintain that Wide Tire. You may have to step back to the 305 and it sounds like a loss of tire but with proper suspension setup you will be getting better launch and traction than your friends withl 315

It’s not a spring problem it’s a wheel and tire problem. Might want to get the right info before misinforming others. I have lowered 90 Mopars with Eibachs and if the wheels are made with the proper offset and you stay within proper tire sizes you won’t have any issue. I run a 20x11 with a 305/35r20 and it has no issues.

No thank YOU R/T! It’s been an honor and a privilege watching this channel grow from it’s infancy. I can’t tell you how much money you’ve saved me with all the advice and high quality videos! Sorry to hear about the suspension, it’s crazy i swear i was coincidentally thinking about it today. Luckily there’s an easy fix! #moparfam

Congratulations on 18k. Your channel is fun and informative at the same time and one of the best channels that show the Brotherhood of Mopar.

Congrats on 18K!! Good information to know about the springs, I enjoyed Lou!! Looking forward to the cam!!

Congrats man !!!! U deserve every bit of it ! The time and money u invest and your down to earth charm is paying off! U rock ! Keep going and congrats !!

Congratulations on how far you’ve come! Keep up the awesome videos !

I LOVE IN DEPTH REVIEWS LIKE THIS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MAN

Congrats on the subscribers. If you want to keep the wide tires with the offset your rims have you might have to roll fenders for clearance and fitment so when it squats on launch or over bumps wheels just tuck in instead of rub.

first off, love the videos and thank you for responding to my comments and answering my questions. My question regards this topic on springs or coilovers. I have my "project 496" started and wanted to know what spring rate setup should I go with? This is obviously a much heavier motor going into my build so I need to definitely make adjustments to the suspension. I've been able to make the engine lighter by removing the heavy iron heads and installed aluminum heads which has shaved off roughly 80lbs off the engine. So my engine started off life weighing 760lbs and is now 680lbs. I understand that the hellcat supercharged engine weighs 675lbs???? Would that suspension setup be adequate or something stronger...?

Congrats on 18k!!!!! Your channel will keep on growing and before you know you’ll be at 50k and 100k!!! Keep up the good vids!!!!!

R/T life. Did you have you alignment corrected after you did the springs. Because I've heard as long as you adjust your camber back to specs that you won't have the rubbing issue. Let me know your opinion. You got my gears turning an I'm interested in getting 1in lowering springs.

Hey man keep up the good work!!! so let me ask you a question? I'm thinking on installing the H&R Springs 50888 on my charger hellcat got 305's in the back you think I shouldn't do it ? Even tho the rear will be 1.4" drop and front 1.7" and thank you for the information!!! :)

Congrats on the subs You worked hard on your channel you deserve it Thanks for all the advice👍🇨🇦

Good video man! I think the scraping is because of the 315s for sure. When I hit a dip on the highway I get that exact scraping noise. I have 315s back there same as you, but not lowered. So I can only imagine the scrape when it's lowered and it's a reason I've been hesitant to lower the car with my current setup. Maybe you'd find it's better with 275s?

Congratulations on 18K brother that is just awesome! That is a bummer about the springs but thank you for doing them to give advice and personal experience on them! I would do a set of KW coil overs. I can't wait for the CAM!!! Intrested to see what you decide to go with for tires also!

Thank you for your time and input! This is HUGE info. Mahalo brah! Coil over for sure sure now!

Keep pumping out these awesome videos bro I recommend your channel to all my mopar buddy's P.s. the 426 stroker kit just arrived today 😈

So I'm confused do you have coilovers or lowering springs I'm tryna find the best option for my 300 with me being on a budget

18k! That’s just a testament to your channel, down to earth and you never seem to big for the channel. Some people the numbers go to their heads. Not you, that’s what I love about you and the channel. Agree with the lowering springs, coil overs offer so much more. Keep up the awesome content! I would rather have a Yugo than drive a Mustang! 😎

Btw congrats on 18k but hey it's an awesome channel so you deserve it 👍

I was just about to make a video of this. I looked up to see if any one else had issues. My tires are wearing out on the inside as well even with a wheel alignment. Great video.

Congrats brotha !!!💥💥and thanks for the heads up!!

Thanks for the video! I was going to buy some eibachs for the daytona. Thinking of coilovers now.

Congrats on 15000 remember when it was 1000 ... anyway glad to see your get n rid of those springs .

I have the Eibach pro kit springs and I installed them about year ago but installing the springs you gotta install upper control arms and the rear bushings \ Camber links , to adjust the camber of the wheels a lot of people ain’t aware of this . I have 275s up front and 305s in the rear it was rubbing when I hit large dips in the road but I fixed the issue with rolling all 4 corners of my fenders.

Thank you for the great video and sharing your honest experience...you helped saved me time and some $$$.If money was no object.....would you just airride it? I'm strongly considering Airlift Performance for my John Varvatos 300c.New subscriber

Thanks for the heads up I've been hesitant about getting them if it wasn't for you I probably would have got them and been miserable thanks for being the guinea pig that's why your channel is growing your straight up

Is that just from running 315s in the back? Would this occur with 275s?

Congrats on hitting 18k! I just hit 14.. lol. But I have been making a bunch of new videos. Got 3 coming out this week. It is fun the more you do them just like you said. Really can’t wait to film more.

I'm glad you did this, the exact lowering springs are in my wish list to purchase in 2 weeks. So you do recommend struts with the sports line? I have the stock tires and not looking to do anymore, just wanting the look

Oh man, I was just looking into getting some too. Although more expensive, I guess the coil overs actually be worth it

You doing good bro! I’m have a 05 magnum/charger 11-14 R/T. Just installed coil overs and have no problem with them thus far!

Good video I to did lowering springs on my Rt challenger at first yeah it was hella nice looking and cornering but then it’s really bouncy . Any time you lower a car or truck you change the geometry from stock . So with that said you have to start changing parts . First you need to match the shocks and struts to your spring because the OME ones will not do the job . Then you have to worry about alignment issues so you all done

This is all because he has 315 wide rear tires. That takes the perfect size wheel offset to work and still likely needs wheel well mods. You're at the max. A 305 would have been easier to fit. But you'll have no issues with a stock 245/45 or the very common 275/40 sized tire.

I have the Eibach Sportline Coilovers, same springs just with the sport shocks. Not adjustable unfortunately but a great quality product for the price. Paid only around $750 I believe. I never scrape but do have to watch out for sidewalks and parking blocks. Without the alignment kit I was still able to get my Challenger within factory specs after a wheel alignment. Rides better than stock and isn’t to much more rough and stiff than factory coilovers. Since you do have the springs already an option for you could be just to get the sport shocks from Eibach since the springs do come with a 1 million mile or 10 year warranty. But you should look into spacers as well since you do have some pretty big tires. Just giving you a option just in case you were wondering like I was brutha!✊🏼 Congratulations btw on the subs! Definitely one of my favorite Mopar channels and love your respect for all cars and trims!✊🏼

Congrats on 18k!!🎊🎉 well deserved my friend👍🏽 Stop bullying Lou...Lmao you had him studdering when you said let's race🤣😂😁

I have a 15 300 been on h&r sport springs I live in the north east and I learned that it's hard to go over speed bumps and potholes and some driveways but the car feels a lot more sturdy and safer to take corners alignment might be an issue i got adjustable ball joints inside of a complete control arm the front alignment is the issue the rear is very adjustable even tire wear ,, I been driving lowered cars since day one and I daily all my cars if you're thinking about lowering your can just send it and go for it you might have a better experience depending on where you live and the condition of the roads .. good luck

Good job on the 18k! You deserve it because your an honest person and have a positive personality! Btw are you seeling those springs ? 🤔

My own experience with the lowering and sporty springs stuff, yes handling is better , yes will look nice and sporty, but as you said the tires issues, the comfort of the ride issues (one of the big advantage of the charger its, if you wanna go nuts or race you can if you wanna ride in a comfortable car you can to and comfort its something that you lose to with that springs) the last thing you may lose its drag performance because you will lose grip probably and I say probably because I haven't test it in the hellcat, my car its not good at launches in track mode aka hard suspension because I lose the weight transfer to the back that the cat need to take off, the ability to transfer weight on launches its something that you may lose with that kind of suspensions, no weight transfer less grip and more tire spinning. As always thanks for your honest opinions about your stuff.

Wow that's a lot for a non daily yeah with suspension you have to choose your direction it's tough to get it all the drag setup your going in the right direction for our cars great video thanks

You need adjustable shocks I weigh 360 lbs and drive a miata it bottomed out every dip . I put adjustable konis and it made a huge difference no more bottoming you can stiffen them up while driving for curves then at the track soften your front ones all the way for better weight transfer I promise you will love it.

This is why I went with the pro kit and love it.

Good video man, what cam and do you need to upgrade internals for the cam?

congrats also on the subs💪

Thanks for the honest informative review

This makes me glad I got the pro kit instead of sport line. I have the spc adjustable control arms just need to install them to help with alignment and get the bushings to adjust the rear camber. The springs are turning out to be the cheapest part of the whole lowering upgrade.

Did you get the dampers with it?

Good stuff bro I just recently removed my lowering springs stage 1 runing 3:15 in the back whit Factory reproduction wheels and had a negative camber so just Rolling Stock now

Might want to get your alignment checked too. Driver's side wheel has more + camber than your pass wheel for it to rub more on one side than the other. 👍

Before switching out your springs, maybe you could try one of those autocross comps. You, know, the one in a parking lot where you race for time around cones. I have always wanted to do that. Thanks for the video.

@R/T life, T hank goodness i found your video on this. I also have 315's in the rear and was looking into lowering the vehicle with springs. Was looking at H&R type for no particular reason. Did you by chance over go to Coil Overs? I don't know much about it but would you be able to Stiffen the rear up a bit to prevent the rub?

There is a difference between getting coils and getting coils with aftermarket struts/shocks to go along with em if you get coils on stock struts/shocks only questions is why?

Congrats on hitting 18k! Looking forward to that roll race with Lou! Hahaha

I have a 2009 Charger SXT 3.5l. I was wondering if the Pro kit springs would work for me. I replaced my front suspension except for the struts. The front sits an inch or so higher. I want to even it out and be an inch or so lower all around. One issue is I have the first 20" × 9" scat pack wheels with 245/45r20 stock tires. Any info on fitment would be appreciated.

Sorry to hear this. I think the fact that your 315s stick outside of the wheel well probably isn't helping. But you definitely don't want to screw up the tires, or anything else for that matter.

I have BC coilovers comming Wednesday for my AWD Charger and the cost was $995.00 and I upgraded to Swift springs foe $175.00 with free damper extenders. A bit pricey I know but my wheel offset is similar to yours and my front tires poke a bit too. This works for me for autocross. I don't think it will be to difficult to install myself so i can save money if i brave it. I will let you know how they work out.

Awesome R/T Life 《☆》Congratulations on 18k# Yuge# Thanks for the review on Lowering springs ☻

With the Sport line, did you get the 1in drop, the 1.6-1.7 kit, or the 1.7 - 1.8 kit?

Congrats on 18k dude!! That sucks about the lowering springs, it sure makes the car look good though 😎

I got the pro kit on my TA with 315 in the rear and the tire rubbed the fender like yours i got some airbags for the back and it solved the rubbing issue the other way to fix it would of been to go with a skinner tire and different back spacing on the wheels good luck Brother

Yes lowering springs are not for more track oriented guys/girls, these are for let say improved road spirited and mainly daily driving. In your case Coilovers will be the right way for you. Also lowering springs are not good in case you would like to go with much wider rims and tires. I am using eibach pro-kit more than year now, it is not to crazy, but as I said, still I have stock rims and tires. And as a daily driver I am more than satisfied. But If I will go more crazy later on, then I am going with coilovers.

I’M ON MY SECOND CHALLENGER....SOON TO BE ON THE THIRD. KEEP EM COMIN

Congrats. You da man. You are a wealth of information. Much appreciated. When you come up with a meet let me know. In will do my best to make it. Great video.

Nice job man 18K that is sweet. You keep that content coming we'll keep spreading the word. Now I just got to find those three people that click the thumbs down button before I saw the video and there better not be any more after that.

Sportlines position the stock shocks out of its normal travel area. To correct this problem you would have mod the shock to the amount of inches lowered. In the long run it would be worth the coil overs.

I just installed some Ford Performance lowering springs on my new 2021 mustang and I noticed almost no difference. The front looks slightly better but overall the look changed almost not at all... what did happen is that when I went to get my car aligned apparently it was so off that they had to replace the camber bolts even though the car was only at 860 miles driven at the time. End of the day I spent 800 some bucks all together parts, installation and alignment after for no visual difference at all.

I've heard that the springs make the ride bumpy or stiff over bumps I guess. Sounds like the coil overs might be a better way to go.

congrats on the 18k my friend. I love my eibach pro-kit and wouldn’t change. 275’s on rear and zero issues. and yes cornering/handling/tight curves handles extremely well. good luck budddy in your decision.

You need to roll your fenders because coil overs will do the same thing. When you do, that is just what you have to do. Or get a wider body kit that’s already been rolled

I couldn't agree more about the Mopar Community. It is awesome. That totally sucks about the tire rubbing. Coil overs would be good from what I know about them.

I have been thinking about just swapping to the scatpack springs

The bottom of my front end clip on my Scat Pack Charger is completely decimated from driving it over curbs when parking and just going through dips and those drain channels in the streets at intersections. My car is stock ride height. The Chargers tend to dig in the front end a lot more than the Challengers do. My girlfriend's stock RT has NO such problems with its ride height. One thing I do now is back into parking spots with concrete curbsides next to them. Since I started doing that I've stopped destroying my car.

Rubbing isn’t really the fault of the springs, with aggressive stance you have to modify the fenders. And cheap springs like eibach are made of silicon chrome steel, which always have harsh ride regardless of spring rate. That’s just the characteristic of the steel, better dampers will help but the ride quality will be pretty bad. There is a Japanese springs company called Swift Springs, they are linear springs with amazing ride quality and response. You can run those with or without damper upgrades, it’s going to be more comfortable. That being said, they don’t make it for every car, only a select list. Also when you lower, most rear cambers can’t be adjusted, so you’ll likely need adjustable rear camber arms. Another thing you need in the front is some type of roll center kit that will push the control arm back down once the car is lowered.

AVG Joes.... I'm here... Oh wait. Lol. Growing by leaps and bounds bro. Keep up the good work and the subs will keep coming. Ah, the issues of lowering. Bah. It's dumb cuz it looks so much better.

You know I love my Mopar springs. I haven’t had a single issue and my car drives perfect.

I was looking into the getting Bilstein B12 pro kit 30mm drop in front 35mm in rear. It says it uses Eibach pro kit springs. I have the 245x45xr20 do you know anyone who used this kit? You think I will have same issue. Of course it says this Bilstein B12 kit has everything set up for the year charger I have. Thanks for any help.

Did you get an alignment?

I have a pro system on my charger with stock wheels. And no issues at all but when you start getting crazy with tire sizes is where you have issues if you like to have bigger tires wider rims coils are a better option

Why why why do u have to tease me so much lol God I wish I was still NYC and New Jersey right now I would be there right now lol got me drooling lol I cant stop watching. Lol

Can you lower your car with long tube headers?

It’s cuz u got 315 on the rear... unless u flare the rear wheel wells isn’t the coil overs going to be scraping as well?

RT life did you say you have 315’s and spacers on your ride?

I use to drive c4 corvette stock height and it was annoying to slow down at any bump or ramp my opinion i would pay the extra bucks get adjustable springs

I have 17 Scat pack Challenger Running eibach Pros with 315(11) in rears and 275s(9.5) in front (wheels MRR Daytona’s flow forged wheels) no rubbing or issues at all ... had it on for 8 months now I live up in Pa/Philly area Your offset on the wheels are very important if it’s sticking out too much you’ll be rubbing or Hittin the fender .. gotta do your measurements right and the wheel setup and tires..

Hey RT guy. What size tires are you using

I have the same kit on my lancer. I'm going coil-overs. I'm not saying the handling is bad, but it rubs the wheels bad, and you feel every bump in the road.

I have Megan racing on one of mine and Eibach on the other and their both great.

How long does coil over last?

When you go with the lowest springs like a Sportlines then expect issues with wheel and tire interference and from the line acceleration. Especially if you only replace the springs only. Been there with Sportlines. Never had issues with Pro Kit springs on the last 3 cars I had them on but I also got the whole setup. Eibach springs, struts, sway bars, and alignment kits.

Had a horrible experience with the Eibach Sporlines myself. It "settled" WAY too low, causing it to be essentially "undrivable". I bottomed out and scraped practically at all times. Ride comfort took a nose dive too, every bump felt like a crater. Sitting low is one thing, but you really need springs with a much better "spring rate" (very bouncy ride too) or coilover kit so ride quality is preserved, somewhat. Shame I wasted to close to $300 on the springs plus install, just to shell out more dough to put my stock springs back on, although i did upgrade my shocks to Bilstein B6's along my stock springs. #liveandlearn!

What is the music from?? i cant put my finger on that sample?

If you find coilover kit can you post the web cause I’ve also been looking and can’t find this anywhere

Absolutely love your videos. Where do you guys meet up at?

definitely bummer news, I never had these issues on my mustangs but I believe you here and therefore won't be investing in lowering springs unless I find a different review on the other springs.

Wish i would of saw this video a long time ago. I brought eibach lowering springs for my dodge durango rt and bottoms out and wheels scrape when I have my kids in the last rear seat. Looks amazing tho lol

I bought the eibach springs . My rear tires always wear out . They said the “aligned the car “ after . Anyone knows why this happens ?

Just order the sport lines today cuz I liked the way yours looked. I think I will be ok because I have 275 in the rear. Hope it works out bro. Congratulations on the 18k