"Just because you are offended, doesn't mean you are right." - Ricky Gervais

This is what happens when you hire activists who only focus on identity politics on everything instead of actual writers who should be making a well written and compelling story.

She-Hulk still ticks me off. The source material for that one was amazing and they just took a big steaming dump all over the character.

Has anyone else noticed that modern trailers basically give away all plot points, so much you don't even need to watch the movie to know what happens?

The drinker is correct. Society is paying the price for every kid who got a medal for finishing 150th in a race, told their crap drawings were on a par with Da Vinci, that they couldn't be bored or unhappy for a millisecond, that nothing was their fault.

I actually wanted to become a director. I even went to film school in Western Kentucky University. I had all these stories I wanted to tell. I graduated in 2014 and moved back with my folks in TN while I tried to come up with a plan. I was able to get a job in Nashville but was still planning to move to Hollywood one day to fulfill my dream. But as time went on I realized, I did not want to move to California. My family roots and friends network were too strong where I was and I felt I couldn't just leave that all behind. Also writing my stories on the side I realized how expensive they would be to film (length was also a problem). I also saw the direction the industry was heading and I realized people like me weren't welcome there. So I finally decided to give up on that dream and switch focus. I am going to convert the scripts I have written into novels (which has been its own challenge). And seeing the absolute state of both Hollywood and California in recent years I feel like I dodged a bullet.......both physically and metaphorically with the current state of things.

Jaws, Star Wars, The Shining (i.e. classics) all had problems, drama, confrontation, stress... Pressure makes diamonds. Something you just don't see today

Being told "no" is a wonderful way to filter out bad ideas and to narrow down the ideas that are good, so they can be focused on, given room to breathe, and polished to perfection

Every film set should have the saying, "If you don't have a spine, then you don't have creativity, therefore you don't have a reason to be here."

I commented to a coworker once how ironic it was that our retail corporation had such strict HR policies while at the same time it blasted nonstop pop music numbers through the loudspeaker about sex and drugs. I was sent home within 30 min and fired within 1 week.

I'd rather see a flawed vision from the Director, than a sprawling visage made by committee.

I lost a gig on a movie after a few days because someone from the art department complained that the grip department was all men. Since I was the newest hire, they had to replace me with a female. Now she is a theater grip so at least she was experienced. It was a sobering moment experiencing the fact that it doesn't matter how hard I work, I can lose my job at any moment haha.

Had a buddy of mine reported to HR, and get the incident run all the way up to a CEO of a company with hundreds of employees because he said "If this doesn't work you'll have to re-lick your calf." in a presentation, and a woman thought this was a sexual thing. It's rural slang for a mother cow licking her calf, only for that calf to get dirty again and she has to relick her calf.

I dropped out of film school for a bunch of reasons but the final straw was this undergrad I had to take on for a project who was absolutely insufferable. She kept butting in to me and the director’s notes on the script asking about lgbt undertones in the story, a story with no gay characters whatsoever. The shoot was a nightmare because she bitched about everything from the location to the food and on and on. It was at her friend’s apartment and when someone got a designer oven mitt dirty she went ballistic and demanded I pay for it. Later on I met with her and she kept going on about herself and how she’s going on to great things and I had to bite my tongue. I was told my my teacher I had to be positive in my write up, I don’t remember what I wrote but I knew at that point I was done with the whole rotten thing. Idk where she is now but I seriously hope she never gets professional film work for the sake of everyone else on that crew.

Activists aren't and will never be storytellers they didn't grow up with entertainment they made fun of us for liking entertainment! Seriously they get what they deserve we don't want crap at least the Indie scene is thriving well.

The She-Hulk storyline of "Jenn needs a dress for the gala where she wins Female Lawyer of the Year" says everything you need to know about the writers. They seem to think that all other professions are like Hollywood where there are galas and awards for "Female Lawyer of the Year" or "Female Engineer of the Year", etc. They are so disconnected from reality.

I've worked in the industry for 15 years, doing special effects and lighting in the Toronto film industry. Left last year to get some perspective and am now coming back to it. They need a voice of reason back in there to tell them to fuck off. But it's pretty bad in that industry. It's not just key creatives and actors. Even at the technician level, the focus on DIE initiatives is rampant. You don't want the guy doing pyro to be a diversity hire.

"If you can't handle it, maybe the film industry isn't for you." Unfortunately, for everything else with these people, they bully and demand everything change to accommodate them. They want standards to drop to let them be allowed into something, all entertainment to change massively to suit their sensibilities/preferences, and have workplaces conform to what they need it to be, even if it negatively affects the business. They view justice as what makes them happy and life easy, even at the cost of everything/everyone else that doesn't share their same wants and values, and attack anyone that tries to reintroduce them to reality, like the existence of human nature, business/economics, and common sense. ... So basically they are communists.

WGA's members: "Take us seriously!!! Fulfill our demand!!!" Everyone: "NO"

On the point of HR Departments. Back in the early 2010s I started working at a Wireless Service provider here in Canada. During my first 2 weeks there, the HR department was holding a (I not making this BS up) a paper mâché contest for their group. Every day, for 14 days they were spending their 8 hours in the office working on their paper mâché creations and then had judges rate them for a prize. After that, I guess there were complains because the HR department was moved to another section of the building where they wouldn’t be observed doing this crap. Unbelievable.

Blame the colleges for producing such people.

I can tell you now Spike Lee is never going to have to worry about the new diversity rules from the acadamy ever, that diversity BS only ever goes in one direction.

I work with teenagers, and I was just telling a person who asked me today how my year has gone that at the end of a year, it's not the disrespect, foul language, obnoxious behavior, laziness, or poor work ethic that grind me down. It's the fragility. Teens and kids (even early twenty-somethings) are so goddamned soft and fragile. When any level of disappointment or adversity comes their way, they fold. They whine, blame, crumble, and then give up and demand things change to suit what they want, almost exclusively in that order. They simply cannot handle criticism, adversity, or forces that act contrary or in opposition to what they want.

Victoria Alonso was the one who pushed for She Hulk, America Chávez.

Great segment. It reminded me of a tour I did in Iraq as a liaison NCO with the British in Basra. The Chief of Staff came up to me one day and said, "The trouble with you Yanks, is that you're more interested in process over product." The morning briefings ("morning prayers") to the divisional staff lasted 15 minutes, tops, where certain people had to give input and the CoS would end it by asking if anyone had anything for the group and if not, get back to work. U.S. briefings, by way of contrast, were a mind-numbing ordeal of death-by-PowerPoint that went on for hours on end, with minutia, slides, and make-work that no one remembered or cared about five minutes after it ended. There are people who love meetings, where they can talk, endlessly, to a captive audience about inconsequential rubbish that has nothing to do with anything except their own desire to bang on endlessly. I have found, like Chris, that a set with a director who rules with a firm hand gets stuff done and everyone, focused on the job at hand, is happy and motivated. It reminded me of the Army inasmuch we were there to do a job and that required a strong and fair leader.

HR departments - if run properly - protect your business from lawsuits by following set processes. Unfortunately there are a number of people out there who sniff out businesses without HR departments, get 'fired' and then take you to an industrial tribunal and bend you over for an easy £100K+

Some month ago i listened to an interview with the NASA-Administrator Bill Nelson, in which he said the he had hired two people, whos only job is to oppose every decision he makes, so that he is forced to reconsider them and finding eventual flaws, he may have overlooked. That's something Hollywood seems to need as well.

6:36 They used to call that department “Personnel”, back when they still considered us as people. But we’re not people anymore, we are just a company’s resources now, “human” resources. How depersonalising is that!

I just lost my job because of fragile snowflakes. I was working with 17-20 year olds and you’d swear they were made of glass. It was HR that let me go. You guys are spot on.

I was a film student at a Christian school and people got chewed out on set with offensive language all the time in order to get the project done and on time. It's how the machine worked best. And once everyone was working their hardest and not making excuses, the set was fun too.

HR was a massive part of my University degrees for my undergrad and masters and I absolutely agree with you when it comes to the role of HR, there were so many activists on my course which was quite funny as I'm actually disabled with brain damage on top. Yet I was one of the only people who didn't complain or cry all the time about how hard my life is. Its pathetic.

I ay this as a creative: we need to be told 'no.' Creative brains will come up with hundreds of ideas and only a handful are any good but its hard for us to see beyond 'oooh that sounds so cool!' whereas to a normal person would be like 'dude thats ridiculous and would never sell'. Creatives need no men to override their ideas and weed out the rocks from the gems. Like obviously EVERYONE needs to be told no to grow up, but creatives need it to sieve through the spew of ideas to find the actual marketable ones.

Running times have definitely gotten ridiculous. Either bring back intermissions or cut some things out and put it in the deleted scenes. Give people a reason to buy DVDs.

Christ, Drinker, you nailed it in the first 20 seconds of this clip. People don't hear the word, "No," enough. It always shows, even at a small level.

It’s really sad how touchy and sensitive people are getting. I’m happy that generally, people in my industry don’t care. We had a new guy join our crew, and usually guys walk on eggshells around me because they don’t know how I’ll react to stuff, but my one coworker and I somehow got on the topic of duck genitalia first thing in the morning while eating breakfast and we shocked the new guy. It was a good time. I’m one of two female operators at my current location, so the guys are afraid that we’ll freak out over the smallest thing. It can make it difficult to connect with them and make friends. It sucks when people are afraid of speaking around you.

To comment on the HR department reign - I'm in europe working for mid sized companies 200-700 ppl, and HR has quite minimal say in things. Actually we had an excellent HR manager who hired competent and nice ppl, which suited well into the culture, and we had fun times getting shit done. But then a line manager choose to bypass her, and hired a friend of his, and it was a nightmare. Finally we got the idiot out, but sadly the HR manager was also a casuality. In short, I experienced HR that contributes a lot to the team as well :)

Friend of mine works as a manager in a software development company and he had to deal with an issue when there was a junior developer in one country needing some advice so she was given a contact on a senior in different country. Rather than constantly exchanging emails, the senior developer proposed they would meet on a call and he'd happily explain. In return, the junior developer submitted a complain to HR that the senior developer is an "ableist" (haven't heard that word before that) and she had depression and anxiety so she felt offended by him thinking she could handle a virtual meeting. So the guy got himself into trouble by assuming that somebody whom he never met is human being capable of a normal function.

Back in the late 90s George Carlin was ranting about how parents both spoil their kids too much and how passing grades keep being lowered. Those kids are now young adults. This is the result.

The video description summarizes the problem perfectly.

watching sister in law graduation from USC and 2 main take aways, 1. The college definitely teaches activism not professionlism and 2. They are super scared of AI

What I have noticed that I started to watch more foreign series over the years. you see they often lack the big budgets and cgi but they make up for that with much better writing.

What you guys said about HR departments? 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯 Those are definitely what David Graeber would consider BS jobs.

When people say “oh, don’t be that guy”. No actually, please be “that guy”, we need that guy 😂

You know the protest is organic when they have dozens of professionally printed signs.

Necessity is the mother of invention and modern content is flooded with the unnecessary.

HR departments have turned into the office of the commissar. The zampolit. The political officer.

To Eric's point. On the show, Attack of the Show, when O-munn accidently cut some of Kevin P's hair, they had meetings on how they were going to deal with that situation.

They need to start filming in places like Texas, Florida and "flyover" states. Surely it's a lot cheaper and people would welcome the job opportunities.

Ive been a talent on several sets and i can say for certain that a director or show runner making a joke that is inappropriate to break the tension makes everything more manageable when you are on your 12th hour and wont be getting home until 3am.

Speaking as a University graduate with an HR degree I can only affirm the negative attitude towards that profession. No HR department I interacted with helped anyone and they tell you we exist to protect the company, that's it if you interview for a job. I've never worked in the field.

“I got PTSD from the orc actor charging at me!”

5:39 I always felt like people who want to do meetings all the time just don't want to work, they just want to sit around and talk alot

Israel has what is called the "10th Man Policy", which Hollywood desperately needs to implement. What the "10th Man Policy" boils down to is... if 9 people think something is a great idea, it is the duty of the 10th person to disagree with it even if they fully agree with it, just so the negatives of that great idea must be explored and evaluated and even hotly debated for, just in case that great idea is somehow flawed in a way no one else thought of. It's a damn smart policy that, frankly, more governments and institutions should implement. Hollywood surrounds itself with Yes People, so no one is around to be that 10th person, and if anyone were to dare to be that 10th person, they are black-balled out of Hollywood. It's a self-defeating dynamic that is showing its true colors.

Its not just entertainment companies. Every company needs a "Bad Guy".

Splooge isn't even a word. How the hell is that offensive?

Every film conpany needs a Les Grossman.

The fact that some people can go up to their 30s without having ever endured so much as a little bit of hardship blows my mind.

The HR talk had me rolling. I've worked in HR for 6 years, and the career path as a whole isn't a bad one. But I agree. We are only here for three things: administrative duties, payroll duties, and to prevent lawsuits through the use of administrative and payroll duties. HR is practically the Big Brother of any corporation.

Remember the days when directors and producers are more focused on doing their jobs instead of becoming activists? Feels like a lifetime ago

I miss cocaine fueled Hollywood of the 80s.

Good these conversations are being had, keep it up yall

Chris saying that "Oppenheimer" will probably not get nominated for an Oscar (and we'll see if it deserves one) because it doesn't follow the rules touches on a good point: this is a film about a historical figure and historical events. So are filmmakers not supposed to make movies about historical events anymore or are they supposed to falsify those historical events by inserting ethnically and sexually diverse characters into them that factually weren't and wouldn't have been there. This first struck me when I saw there was a TV series about Anne Boleyn where the character is portrayed by a black actress. Now, I'm not saying that she's a bad actress - in fact a lot of the reviews I read were very positive on her performance - but Anne Boleyn is a historical figure who with absolute certainty was not black, not just because we know she wasn't, but also because for an English king to marry a black woman would have been absolutely unthinkable at the time. So what's the fucking point?

And how often do we hear about HR departments (who are supposedly looking out for the employees) sweeping things under the rug to protect the studio/director? HR these days are against employee interests

HR used to be primarily about onboarding new employees, helping employees with their Medical Benefits, in the USA, where Healthcare is privatized, so there’s tons of hoops and restrictions, Workman’s compensation for on the job injuries, Employee sick and vacation Leave benefits, if they need to use Family medical leave, etc. and Retirement options, 401k, pension programs, etc. With only the very occasional complaint and conflict resolution. There’s now an entire HR industry that sprang up, that deals with none of that stuff and their sole focus is on, equitable hiring practices, equitable workplace environment, and harassment complaints.

Cheers to Chris Gore, Young Rippa , Drinker and Mauler! It’s so great to see you all together

What most people don't appreciate is that a film or TV set is as much like a factory floor as it is an artistic endeavor. I would bet that the sheltered kids straight out of University or Film School have barely ever been in the same room as a blue-collar worker who wasn't employed by their parents, let alone had to work alongside them. It used to be just a bit of a culture shock, now it's an existential threat to their entire Woke world-view.

I worked for a small company that got bought by a huge company with a massive HR department. The second we were absorbed people start started calling HR constantly over every little thing.

Hollywood is a pale shadow of its former self.

HR are a malignant growth on companies. Part of being a 'boss' used to be directly hiring the people to work directly under you and judge them by their merit.

Re: Chris' sexy PA story. In my days working as a PA, I learned to always be the person that brings 2nd meal. Doesn't matter who bought it, the person that shows up w/ food is the one the cast & crew loves.

Of all things that depress me, nothing annihilates my faith in humanity like HR.

I originally wanted to go into a cinema, or some other artistic work environment. I saw the blood in the water though, and where companies are going with their manipulative tactics for marketing. I decided for another career, and I feel much more useful in doing so.

I feel this, ever since i started on my new job so do i constantly get accused over stupid stuff from low performers in the company and nothing get checked i just get called to a meting and get warnings because someone accused me 🙄

Avatar: The way of Splooge

HR is a total joke, no matter the company. It's the refuge of the incapable and incompetent who still need a paycheck. If there ever was a type of job that could and should be automated and yet isn't, it's HR.

My family is full of people we call 'Steamrollers.' There's always someone who doesn't like us at work, but in a real company nobody argues with results.

I worked as an attorney in the Los Angeles foster care court as a child's attorney. One of the supervising attorney's constantly complained there were no sober livings for girls and boys aging out of the system. I told I could get anyone into a great place within 2 days. She told me I didn't know what I was talking about and never spoke with me again. I know about mindsets, if she had been shown that were solutions, she would have to stop her whining.

So the company I work for has changed the name of their HR to "the human experience" seriously this is getting out of hand!

15 years in film/animation and can confirm Chris is 100% onpoint

You can't tell people "Maybe this job isn't for you" anymore. That's not being 'inclusive', so the only option left is to fire the people who don't complain about everything to appease the complainers.

Reminds me of the list of a Successful Evil Overlord that used to go around the Internet. Rule #12 "One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation." Makes even more sense for Disney. Seriously if your target audience is kids, ask a kid if they like it first and can explain any of the plot.

I love the discussion about the "HR" department. And I fully agree. HR departments are intended to screw the employee over.

I was told by a teacher in 2nd grade that "in your life, you are going to have to interact with people you dont like." A lot of people apparently cant do that at all......

Resources are things to be exploited. Guess what a "Human Resources" department does? (It used to be called the "Personnel" department, which puts a different spin on the department's focus.)

"Restrictions/Challenges breed creativity." As the saying goes.

I've seen that tactic being used before. That young attractive PA also ended up becoming the director's favourite, go figure. Couldn't give us other male PAs the time of day though. Married with children and more than twice her age mind you.

Working in Retail and I can confirm this 5:20 so many daily 2 - 3 hour meetings where we basically hear the same thing or rarely new stuff that could have been communicated through a mail, client relations are especially bloated with useless wastes of oxygen and the shit marketing comes up with, it's like they have no idea of target client base they just shoot ideas at random and hope they stick. This seems to happen everywhere lately because of hiring 2 or 3 people to do 1 persons job and instead of doing the job they just clash with each other and end up doing nothing or making things worse.

Never understood the HR department myself. They work for the company, they are almost never on the employee's side and they tend to take favorites. One employee could complain with no proof and get another fired or written up. Another with video evidence, multiple witness statements etc could complain about a boss and nothing is done. Worse your "anonymous report" is often leaked to the people involved and they know exactly who you are because of it.

FWIIW I worked for a company with a great HR department. It was early stage tech stuff and growing so HR was more or less "recruit super talented people." It was run by a former policeman. No bullsh*t guy who wouldn't hire woke people at all, let alone for his underlings. Hard filter on people with no social skills, and his skill in interrogation (and high people skills and professionalism in general which all police must have for interacting with the public) kept out the people likely to cause problems. Not perfect, we had a few psychopaths in the sales department, but we didn't have any problems with woke dipshits.

That's what I loved about the Super Mario movie. Without spoiling, Shigeru Miyamoto made sure there was a LOT you didn't see in the trailer.

I'd love to see the reactions of those kind of people if they spent a single day with a manual labor team. Or even just a lunch break.

It's not as if production sets are the only workplace where raunchy humor, or colorful good natured ribbing are commonly used to boost camaraderie and/or improve morale during times of stress and looming deadlines. Sound and light rigging, construction, bars, restaurants, etc - I've worked them all, and they all have their own unique challenges. But they all require a thick skin, and the capacity to be a team player. Sometimes you're required to help carry others, and sometimes you need others to help carry you. It's what humans have been doing for centuries, and yet in the span of ONE generation it's being dismantled and turned on it's head. I knew participation trophy's would cause trouble, but I underestimated the extent to which it would undermine society.

I can't believe that no one at Disney/Marvel shot down" Eternals", because that was horrendous and never should have been put out. Those characters should never have seen the light of day. They aren't even good in the books.

Oh Rippa is here! Please have him more often. I missed the issue 1 of rippaverse and I'm hoping it will be released as a web comic

I work on film and tv in new york city. We now have to sit through zoom meetings that are over w hours long to go over the massive amount of hr rules

Guillermo DelToro once said: "There are no weak people working professionally in film" and he is right. Real pro's, especially in our industry, are strong and unafraid to be inconvenient from time to time. I have my own little indie film company and my third feature film in development at the moment, and we are utterly honest with each other, we disagree, and at the end of the day we always go with the best idea / solution. We are far from perfect, but we have high morals, discipline, and we don't take ourselves too seriously. Love the chat, thanks so much, guys!

jim shooter legend, miss those mid 90's valiant titles he oversaw such quality

the meetings are for people who think they are important but are really "IM-PO-TENT"

"People on tense sets make jokes" My mind immediately goes to the number of times Bilbo's actor would flip off the camera in behind the scene videos. XD

“If we could undo that abuse and lose Bladerunner forever… do you want to make that choice?” My Longman in Christ… that’s literally the premise of “Brave New World.”