The fact that they *kill Indy's son* should be at the forefront of all discussion. *Killing Indy's son* is an obvious attack on the audience and it is totally unnecessary... unless your objective is to destroy and demoralize. Killing Indy's son is done to erase Lucas - and us - and is a hateful attack on family and legacy.

"Hollywood is not filled with people who want to have fun. It is filled with people who have an agenda." Agreed, Chato.

This crap makes me ashamed to be a woman. I HATE this trend of 'Mary Sue knows better than all men'. It's so gross.

Vote with your wallets. Just boycott all disney related trash. It's toxic.

The fact that they had Pheobe KNOCK OUT Indiana Jones, is the absolute Final Straw for me! I still remember Indy "Tanking" punches from a GIANT, muscle bound, German mechanic! Sure, he would get "wobbly" and fall onto his butt, but he REMAINED CONCIOUS! And I am expected to BELIEVE that Waller-Bridge KOed him? S*&k my D*&@#$%!

I taught for years in Los Angeles, including an exclusive private school where Mark Hamill's two lovely kids were my students. I also taught in Beverly Hills, etc. I once asked one of my students from a "movie star family" (two famous parents) how much she thought an Uber driver earned. "Not much," she said. "Probably only $100,000 a year."

Star Trek portraying the IT department badly is an attack on their own fanbase.

Remember, people: Don't hate watch movies. If they get enough numbers they get to call it a success and may even make more. Don't feel obligated to watch it just because it has the name of a franchise you like slapped onto it. Don't watch it just to see how much you'll hate it. That's how we got here in the first place...

Kathy got what she wanted, made lots of money, lots of yes-wahmen telling her how great she is and, if ever fired, she almost certainly has a golden parachute that you could only dream of

“Hollywood disdains Flyover Country and the people who live there. Which is really stupid on the studios’ part because there’s a huge amount of money to be made there.” - John Milius, 2020

Spielberg absolutely embarassing KK on stage was the most amazing thing ever

That Chato quote about Rings of Power is very accurate, as artist myself I know the pain of polishing the same piece hundreds of hours, you become blind and think it’s a masterpiece even in reality it might be a steaming piece of artistic turd

Spielberg’s omission of KK during the L.A. premier of the movie was a stunning public rebuke. I think things have deteriorated in Hollywood to the point the competent people have to start speaking out, whether they want to or not.

As a child of the '60's, growing up watching the original Star Trek crew, I always believed that the show was about humanity becoming the best they could be. Never would I have thought it would become a depressing reflection of the mundane and narcissistic period of time we presently live in.

I suggest people read Bib Iger’s book from a few years ago. Using the death of Steve Jobs to convince George Lucas to sell Lucasfilm to Disney is Palpatine levels of evil.

I'm not a doctor, but wouldn't knocking out someone who's barely holding on after being shot in the chest actually kill them?

I've discovered so many other more interesting and more fulfilling things to do with my time since I essentially abandoned new TV and film. I started working out, I started writing for fun, I've read a ton of books, I've played some fantastic video games. You don't have to consume this stuff people - they need us, we do not need them.

"I wrote _The Dilbert Principle_ around the concept that in many cases the least competent, least smart people are promoted, simply because they’re the ones you don't want doing actual work. You want them ordering the doughnuts and yelling at people for not doing their assignments-you know, the easy work. Your heart surgeons and your computer programmers-your smart people-aren't in management. That principle was literally happening everywhere." - Scott Adams

Wow, Chato is probably the single greatest guest I've seen on these shows, I genuinely mean it. His insight from his time as an executive is so spot-on and accurate, as well as highly illuminating in regards to how these projects are viewed from the inside. He puts the points regarding Kathleen Kennedy so succinctly and accurately, I want to high-five the man myself lol. You can tell he has been around the inside of the machine itself, and has that real behind-the-scenes knowledge from actual *experience* . I really hope he continues to be brought on for these discussions, I very much enjoyed him as a guest!

Indy had THREE wonderful movies that ended things perfectly, he repaired his relationship with his father, had the love of his life at his side, his best friend, and found the greatest treasure of all, learning to let go. Everything after is fanfiction at best, a cashgrab at worst.

Chato is a real Chado. His insight is great, as someone with actual experience in the industry. I hope to see him more often, he should be a regular.

Having worked as a worker bee in the film industry, it was always amazing to us how much people would continually fail but always climbed up higher in the industry. We would say "You can only F-up in the film world."

The quote at the end from Chato about the directors guild is spot on. I’m sure there is a lot of criticism behind closed doors among directing peers. The problem is they don’t probably share that constructive criticism with Kathleen Kennedy. She’s either too stupid or hell bent on her agenda to care.

It's been a win-win for Ford ever since The Crystal Skull and The Force Awakens. He cashes his massive cheque, can be as lazy as he wants, mumbles his lines here and there, sometimes he doesn't even bother with shaving 😂and just lets the nerds and fans destroy Lucasfilms and Kennedy for how terrible the movies are. Genius! 🙌

Star Trek was originally the show intended to celebrate equality and harmony, the ability for humanity to ignore all prejudices and work together for a greater whole. This "modern" Star Trek is a sickening parody of its former self.

The programming is so disgusting & the reasons behind it so evil that Im starting to despise anybody who watches their crap now.

For the actors buying in to what they are making, they are working on disjointed segments with multiple takes, without the added folly, music score and likely being told a lot that "it will be fixed in post". If they are using their imagination to fill in background detail that isn't there on set, easy to understand that their imagination is telling them it's better than it really is. On the flipside look at the making of "A New Hope", cast and crew thought they were working on a "B" grade drive-in movie that wouldn't amount to anything, in a time when Sci Fi wasn't big.

It's great to see Chato on this chat. It's his time! Honestly, his channel brings the funny.

Chato: "Star Trek is just another agenda." Exactly, Chato! Spot on!

Chato, you are so spot on. Hollywood is power people holding meetings and making decisions based on what they think will appeal to their like minded friends (if they still have any.)

Velma has not been given a second season. The average HBO cartoon season is 18-22 episodes. Velma season 1 is ten episodes. So HBO just took the budget for one season, cut it in half, and called it two seasons.

I remember seeing a video of an interview someone was doing with one of the people working at Lucasfilm, back before the trilogy started, and they were walking through the cubicle area. There was more than one with pictures of the various main characters, and Luke's face was always crossed out. They wanted to axe him from the start.

"It's time for your next dose of shit boys" -The Drinker 2023

I know Shia took a break from acting but the fact they didn't focus on Mutt having an adventure and needing his dad to help him out or be a mentor is absolute idiocy.

The fallout of the failure of the Star Wars trilogy was unusual in that the only consequence of this disaster was that no more movies have been made. Star Wars was punished and the people behind the failure have all been rewarded and given more opportunity to punish Star Wars.

I remember this really old, made-during-WW2 movie, where James Cagney played a stage producer & actor. At the height of his success, he is asked to what he attributes his great box office and his response is "I'm just an ordinary guy who knows what ordinary guys want to see." (He was not an ordinary guy, he was a show business baby, raised in show business and initially isolated from ordinary guys, until he pulled his head out of his ass and made an effort to empathize with others). Later on, after receiving a lot of flak from critics for pandering to audiences and just making simplistic fare for the lowest common denominator, he decides to make a show with none of his go-to elements, no pandering or feel-good stuff, just to show that he can write quality shows and make Great Art. When he gets the initial reviews, which pan the show, he is furious, but he is also told by his partner, bluntly, that audiences hated it and people were walking out. Nonetheless, he decides to take out ads in all the entertainment sections of the papers next to the critics' columns and reviews, saying that he would call them liars, and that the theater-going public would believe him. But when he starts to dictate the text of his ad, in the format of an open letter to potential audiences, instead of hyping the show, he says "it's a bad play. We have a bunch more performances scheduled ... please miss them." At the end of the day, when push came to shove, he valued his relationship and reputation with the audience and customers, more than his own pride. And at the end of the movie, when he satirizes the President of the US, he is called to the White House, and expecting the worst, is awarded a Congressional Gold Medal in recognition of his lifetime efforts (the American equivalent of an entertainer getting knighted). Despite his inability to make "great art" he is told that the same things for which the critics ridiculed his work, were actually what mattered to regular people, and inspired them, and his overall body of work is deemed by the very leader he was poking fun of, to be worthy of recognition as service to his country. Pretty sure the messages of this film would be lost on most of Hollywood.

I see the Indy movie flop as the ultimate litmus test for Disney's handling of Kathleen Kennedy. If she survives this, it means she's unfireable - she will be there until she resigns, and she will select her own successor. If they terminate her, we'll know there was an actual line in the sand. Sadly, my money is on the former.

Disney bought a boat.They thought it was a car. So they tried to put wheels on it. One by one the wheels fell off. They are still going down the freeway, scraping the butt off the hull.

That last line is what morons online miss, media doesn’t get criticism because people hate it, it’s because they want it to improve. Professionals in any industry should* always be looking for some criticism just to make sure they’re grounded

The funny thing is that in Logan, he was a sad and broken man, but it worked and fit the story perfectly. It also had an amazing resolution. Idk if James Mangold was trying to do that here but..

I’m so nervous about seeing Indiana Jones now with my dad, have a feeling this might break him more than kingdom of the crystal skull

Can you imagine being one of these peoples’ kids and the embarrassment of your parent ruining a well loved franchise?

The sad, broken old man trope is in everything they do. Even smaller scale productions like The Mighty Ducks streaming series they shot a year or two ago where Emilio's Coach Bombay was brought back as a broken old man who needed a strong female character to show him how to live again. Side note, I friggin' hate Ortegas. I tend to tune in because I find Christine Chapel hot

I appreciate that Drinker lets Mr. Chato explain without interrupting.

I don't care what your product is, if you've begun to demonize your customers because they're critical of the product, you're very lucky to have any customers at all.

You wanna know something crazy. If you take the total screen time of Anakin/Vader. Who has to the most screen time of all the character in the 6 original films Rey beats him in total screentime in 3. Yeah they pushed her so hard that the previous lead of a trilogy and the main antagonist of another was usurped in screen time by a plank of wood.

Animated movies have come back in a huge way and have been outclassing their live action counterparts in both taking real narrative risks and pushing the boundaries of their genre. Recent films like Puss In Boots and Across The Spiderverse have pushed the medium of film forward in my opinion. I find live action blockbusters have literally all become the same film.

Thanks Chatto on the heads up for season 2 of Strange Worlds. Honestly I can’t believe that I actually watched the first season. I’d cancel my Paramount + account, but I still do enjoy watching actual quality content from their predecessors. But it does pain me that my Paramount + subscription makes them feel that I’m actually interested in their Larry Fink desired content; Their BlackRock-focused tax credit garbage that has permeated Hollywood for the last several years at the least. But I’m doing my part. Last film I saw in theatres was Avengers: Infinity War. Last Star Wars film I saw in theatres was The Force Awakens. So they’ve got a freakin’ Everest of a mountain to ascend just to even get a notion of slight interest in their dubious corporate-safe products. And shocker…no way in Hell am I seeing Indiana Jones and the Insufferable Feminist Droid from Solo. Or should I say The Insufferable Feminist Droid from Solo co-starring Indiana Jones.

Excellent Vlog My Brother is a graphic designer and worked for Disney for 5 years then left cause of his own choice. Me and my Brother are from the UK and he moved out to the states for his job. I remember asking him why he left his job as to him it was a Dream job to get. his answer was he was not the right sex ie he was a straight male and felt he was being pushed to leave. He said they would have meetings and it was “cut the head off the white or Black straight male as much as you can”. He said they had a meeting once and one of the pushers was to employ more and more LGBTQ community in the Disney community nothing to really do with his department but it was being pushed he said that was the End for him cause in a office of 30 there was about 4 or 5 straight employees and as he said” you would throw a idea into the hat and you knew it was going to be rejected if it was not in line with everyone else’s. He said you are not going to turn this round cause your fighting a lost course cause the majority is the people you are fighting. Keep up the great work 👍👍👍

I bet no one in modern Hollywood knows how to change the wiper fluid in their cars.

So many sequels made in the last 10 years need to have an asterisk beside them, with a note that says not cannon.

the critical doggo's deep slumber was suddenly disturbed by the mention of velma season 2

What happened to Star Trek is that Gene Roddenberry died. He was the underlying creative force that had a specific vision and framework that built TOS and TNG.

The bubble usually exists around movie production. The problem is when it envelopes the entire company producing the show so there's no chance of "studio interference."

When Smokey sleeps with his legs up in the air, I can't help but imagine Wilford Brimley coming into frame and saying, "Dog? That's not dog. It's imitation."

If you have to make a big song and dance about how you're better than someone else, anyone with a lick of common sense will know the reality is the opposite. Simple as that.

It makes me feel sad that there's an Indiana Jones film out there that i should not be bothering to watch. What have they done to our heroes? 😞

"How did Star Trek devolve into this?" How do any of these heritage intellectual properties devolve into this? Decades old beloved properties, creator sold or dead, new owners with varying relationships to the property except love, and an over-riding sense of presentism and a new generation who really think they can improve upon a classic and "fix" the culture reflected in the originals.

I've worked in IT for 20 years. A couple of those years were spent supporting intel and operations people in the military. Not a single one of them had a single clue what I was doing, and they got as far away as possible when I had to fix their system.

Chris and Chato are my two favorite white-haired reviewers, great to see them together in a video 👍🏻

I think it's cool that I discovered Chato's channel before I ever saw him in collaboration videos with the long time content creators that I have watched. It confirms to me that my judgement is pretty good.

That what sucks about TV and Movies nowadays, you can't criticise someone's work in or outside of Hollywood. Do you know how people grow and improve? By learning from mistakes. You wouldn't be able to submit this quality of work in most jobs or schools without having a meeting or a poor grade. People needs to say your works sucks without being attacked (As long as its constructive criticism) and people need to stop being so defensive, thinking your work is the next timeless classic.

"Never hang on to mistake, just because you spent a long time making it."

Re: believing in it. A Disney dancer from the 60s-70s told me that you start working and you get s@#t shoveled over you and it's horrible, eventually you tolerate it then it becomes normal and one day you Like it. :). This episode was so informative - many thanks!

Wait isn't that elderly abuse since she punched out an 80 year old Indiana Jones?

Continuation of Chato's story: Krutzman and crew appear at Terry's house, kill his dog, and steal the car back ... you know the rest.

The irony is that creators held their fields in contempt for decades. Actors only praised “the stage”: tv and movies were just cash cows to be milked. BUT, these same actors would only pretend the tv/movie was “good” for promotion reasons. Now all mediums are legitimate and no matter how objectively bad something is, a consumer “has to” like it or be labeled racist or ignorant.

When this bubble bursts we must make the fallout as painful for the companies and individuals responsible for perpetuating it!

Half of the fanbase left star wars after TFA. Half of the peope who watched TFA never went back to the second or third. My kids never spoke of star wars again after TFA. I bought 2 and 3 from walmart after a time. Watched them alone without telling anyone. Didnt finish either. And threw them out.

I full heartedly agree with Smokey (The Critical Doggo)

I have to say, I really enjoy hearing Call Me Chatos insights and opinions!

This was a really great episode; having both Chato AND Chris Gore on was fantastic to really triangulate exactly what the fuck is wrong with Hollywood.

Yeah Kathy certainly doesn't give a shit. She's just happy she made the main character female, even if the OG fanbase hates her, and even if the sequels brought in a mediocre amount of money and killed the franchise, her work is done. And I doubt it was like that spielberg meet-up where people were openly critical, nobody in Hollywood is stupid enough to call it a virtue signaling disaster. They'd be risking their careers.

Great panel, great discussion, great content... The only thing missing is that you guys are not working for a studio that could support your views... Just imagen!

Here’s my idea for Indiana Jones VI. Short round is traveling in Southeast Asia searching for some ancient jade relic. He stumbles on a POW camp, where he finds Mutt. Barely recognizable having been a POW for over a decade. They escape through the jungle adventure ensues. As shortround is knocked down the hat falls at Mutts feet, the iconic music plays and Mutt kicks ass. They find the McGuffin all is well. Leave cliff hanger at end. A couple of men in black come up to him at the airport, that say “a dead man would be a good choice for an agent.” Que music.

When Chato isn't trying to be funny and talks about the industry from a serious business perspective... he shines even more. When he started talking about the directors' secret theater I couldn't believe the clip got cut off there.

Damn I haven't been to the cinema in ages and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

You know what movie did the soft reboot right? Tron Legacy. They did a great job not making the original MC a total loser.

Can't wait till Disney goes Chapter 7, then sells all the franchise to other companies to re-make properly, without ulterior motives or political messages. Just good ol good movie making. Disney has jumped the shark.

sir Chato . i love this man. he was calling out hollywood even before Drinker

I know alot of artists and I'm one myself and none of them that are gushing over their own work. Usually what I hear out of their mouths is how they could have done this or that better and they all seemed focused on what they screwed up, not what they got right. I saw the samething when I did finish construction.

at around 5:55 Chato is talking about cognitive disonence, or basically when you you are stuck with something that is bad or makes no sense but you have to do it, you convince yourself that you are doing it because you must actually like it.

I was living in Colorado when the original Indy came out and it ran in the town I lived for 52+ weeks.

Girl punches 80 year old man. EMPOWERMENT!

After all of these sad, broken, old man who wants to die movies that KK puts out, I am sincerely afraid for her husband. I mean, someone should check on that dude.

Regardless of their quality even Marvel managed to release films during and just after the pandemic the fact we haven't had a new Star Wars film since the end of 2019 might show that Lucas Films and Disney know that they dropped the ball with their Star Wars films

Just wanted to say that the Critical Doggo Cam is some of the best Internet based TV I've seen in a while. Better than Netflix.

3:57 that's actually a pretty good analogy. Although I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it as a mere "happy incident", I think there's a rebel crew somewhere inside the empire trying to sneakily offer resistance. :)

My movie pitch would have been: Indy reunited with adult Short Round (Ke Huy Quan) and they have a father-son adventure, kind of mirroring The Last Crusade. Hey presto, shortly before release Ke Huy Quan wins an Oscar. Nostalgia, diversity, current zeitgeist ✅✅✅

"They look like Linux programmers" Objection. The Drinker looks like a Linux programmer.

I follow most of these guys' channels. So I really enjoy these multi -chats. Kind of like listening in to some of my more intelligent and thoughtful buddies conversations. Informative but due the the depressing subject matter, destruction of our pop culture, hard to call it entertaining. But do to the collective wit involved I certainly laugh and grin through alot of it. Thanks gentlemen!

Good morning Vietnam!! When the captain can't understand why everyone doesn't find him funny! That's who's in charge of Hollywood!

I went back and watched a bunch of Star Trek Next Generation episodes. Man they were written so well. Great stories in such a short time. I don't even like star trek too.

"Before the end you will be begging for George Lucas" - Razorfist, 2016

I love how the Critical Doggo just chills upside down

“They look like Lenix programmers” got me good. 😂

I think Chato is right. It's hard for normal people to accept, but Hollywood doesn't care if these movies fail. It's just the cost of getting the message out. It's the cost of advertising. They have a different measure of success than we do. Kathleen Kennedy *_is successful_* in her world. The rest of the world doesn't matter. Her world is what employs her.

Killing the son is to make sure they isn't another 'Indy' man. Yes, I think Lucasfilm are that batshit at this point.

Problem with KK is she’s been paid FU $, she lives in the Hollywood bubble, and she’s surrounded by yes men, women, and they/thems. So their is no incentive to actually make a movie or show that makes money (or most people want to watch) vs. pushing her own agenda while still getting praised by the only people she cares about. She’s a modern day Nero, playing the violin while Lucasfilm burns.

Chato's point about the artists (actors) *believing* in their project is exactly why EVERYONE on the project needs to listen to criticism. You become so wrapped up in what you're doing that you blind yourself to its flaws, and some fresh objective minds are what's needed to say, "This won't work. We don't want this." But the Hollywood bubble is so thick they think THEY know better than anyone about anything.