Everything Wrong With The DCS Mi-24P Hind

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So I'm finally done my "First Impressions" video on the Hind where I wanted to focus on its shortcomings as a way of demonstrating the overall state of the module.
My hope is that this will help people who are on the fence about the Mi-24 make a decision, and that maybe it will shine a light on things that are having a significant impact or could be improved over the status quo.
Like I said in the video my overall impression of the Hind has been very positive and I did purchase it just a few days into my trial period. I do plan to make tutorials for it, I'm just a little slow :)
Apologies for the crackly mic in a few places - I had to re-install Windows in the middle of editing this one and since then it has been doing that and I'm not sure why.
Thank you to Клет for allowing me to use his music! Check him out and buy his music:
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Relevant Videos:
→ Commander Steinsch's Mi-24 Practice Mission: • DCS 2.7 | Mi-24 Practi...
→ Erik Scott on the Gazelle: • A Brief Data-Driven Lo...
→ Erik Scott on the Mi-24 Sidways Flight: • DCS Mi 24P Sideward Fl...
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→ Mi-24 Ukrainian Army Croco Style by Sphimx: www.digitalcombatsimulator.co...
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→ Mi-24 Serbian Air Force by FlyNeX: www.digitalcombatsimulator.co...
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00:00 - Hook, Turn, and Sinker
00:46 - Intro
01:46 - Why make this video?
03:36 - You're my friends now. We're having soft tacos later.
04:10 - Multiplayer Desync
06:55 - Inadequate Bindings
10:02 - The state of Petrovich
17:12 - Using the ATGM sight
18:24 - Sling Loading
22:51 - Flight Model
26:03 - Sideways Flight
29:14 - Tempermental Trim
31:02 - Mirrors
33:02 - Everything else
36:47 - Yea, everything is OK!
38:30 - Free Trial
39:16 - Outro
39:37 - End Screen
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@TheGranicd 2 жыл бұрын

"Things that are wrong with Mi24"...Yes commissar, its this man over here.

@PaletoB 2 жыл бұрын

The AI is still a better hind pilot than me... 😌

@maxs7470 2 жыл бұрын

Try turning off the AP's ESPECIALLY yaw ap, messes up my flying way to often.

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

@@maxs7470 I've definitely had better luck with my taking off and landing with the Yaw AP turned off as well. Unless I need to hover and hold a certain heading, I pretty much leave it off for flying.

@clipper7004 2 жыл бұрын

Glad I subbed to you recently. Your tutorials were put together very nicely, your campaign playthroughs are pleasant to watch, and this video was great! Keep it coming!

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! This one was really tough to put together but I'm happy with the result.

@krylatich 2 жыл бұрын

Actually the first channel I've seen that puts songs names right on the screen. Thanks

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Music is a really tough subject for content creators. I love to share the music I like, and I also want to use music that's appropriate for the video I'm making. But most of the time I can't do that because of copyright. I can ignore it and use the music anyway but then KZfaq runs ads or it gets blocked in parts of the world. So when artists that I'm already listening to like Клет, KOZORO, and Martin Molin (Wintergatan) decide to make their music available and copyright safe I want to not only take advantage of that but also try to encourage it. I want them to be recognized for their work. I want people to buy their music. And I want to make it as easy as possible for people to do that, so I put it up on the screen.

@oczhaal 2 жыл бұрын

the fact that the fan of the front seat doesn't get stuck when you put your finger in it is definitely a NO-BUYER !!

@joaqstarr 2 жыл бұрын

im not sure if it was changed, but I think it does now

@robert3426 2 жыл бұрын

It sure does now

@ghostskills 2 жыл бұрын

ED is great in teasing and releasing new modules but lacks in finishing them. I left DCS for 18 months and when i came back there was basically no progression on the Viper as i left it. Same with the Hind. Huge announcements, lots of trailers and basically no progression since release. Instead they are teasing the Apache which will also lack of most of its features at release.

@ngurisailo2783 2 жыл бұрын

@@ghostskills F 16 now recived a ground radar huge improvement I would say but yes ED release unfinished modules too many times

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

On the contrary they have done a lot with the Hind since launch. Bindings have improved, desync has improved, cms has improved, atakas were added, using atgms with petro has improved, visual bugs have been fixed, mirrors have been fixed, cockpit shake has been added, sling loading has been fixed, and more. There are still major items like Petro's voice and the cargo area gunners to do, but it's disingenuous to say they haven't made any progress since launch.

@MrSpinkser 2 жыл бұрын

I subscribed for your channel (and promote you as much as I can) for your Hip tutorials, which are awesome - and I highly anticipated Hind videos in this fashion - but you absolutely blew me away with this. You nailed every single one of my concerns with the Hind and then some. Respectful, constructive and reasonable criticism is the way to honor the creators and bring DCS forward. I really hope that some of the ED staff is watching your channel!

@ErikScott128 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, and thanks a bunch for the shoutout! I think you summarized my video quite well.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! You did some really nice work on the investigation. Your follow up video was perfect, it made my life really easy there.

@CommanderSteinsch 2 жыл бұрын

Loved the review. Thanks for all the work!

@theflyingclown 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent work and extremely helpful video. Thank you very much!

@alecisla 2 жыл бұрын

This is definitely a module that I will buy... in a couple of years time :) Thank you for making this video, extremely useful and informative!

@TurtleV1 2 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for this video. Thank you lol

@NoPro420 2 жыл бұрын

i am so glad that you'll make a series!! the mi8 tutorials were life changing for me

@thunderace4588 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this video giving us your first impressions of the DCS Mi-24P Hind.

@KLETwave 2 жыл бұрын

Terminus, you cool guy, thx again for hitting me up and giving me the opportunity to provide music for your amazing vid. Love the effort and passion you put in your work! Really appreciate the support 🖤 KLET

@ArkanOthman 2 жыл бұрын

Love the quality of this video, subbed!

@pomaranc747 2 жыл бұрын

Great job, this is exactly the kind of videos I want to see about flightsim addons. I mostly fly XP and basically all "reviews" for its addos have just the same information you get from the store page with lots of superlatives mixed in, all issues glossed over. It's almost weird to see an actually useful review, or first impressions or whatnot.

@varanzmaj 2 жыл бұрын

Liked and subscribed. Can't believe I haven't already done so as your Hip videos were some of the best I've seen on youtube.

@Vulcy 2 жыл бұрын

really enjoyed the video, I very much hope you give this heli a ton of love and atention :p cant wait to see the future content

@TheFingerman77 2 жыл бұрын

This wasn't the video title I was expecting when I saw your post about First Impressions! Looking forward to it.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Wags and the other community content creators have done a great job showcasing all the good stuff on the Hind. I didn't want to make another video where I tell people what they already know, so I decided to focus on what people in the communities I'm a part of are talking about: The issues they're facing, and the uncertainty of whether these things are working as intended, missing, unfinished, or broken. I hope people find it useful at least.

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely interested to see how the AI progresses with the Hind. If they could get it to a state similar to Jester (which I like to hope is the aim, since it's a huge thing for the Hind, and will be even more important for the Apache, where the gunner can do more than just lob missiles) that would be awesome. I'm optimistic, since ED seems to be pushing themselves more and more recently. All of that said, the Mi-24 is my first helicopter since the Ka-50, and I'm loving it. It's been so much fun to learn the helicopter, but as you've pointed out, there are definitely some issues. In terms of flying from the best view in the house (the front seat) it's something I pretty much haven't even bothered with, since the AI flying is indeed very jerky. But, I 've got faith in ED, and I definitely look forward to seeing how they improve this beast. The AH-64 will be another great addition if ED can nail these things.

@jellypowder3325 2 жыл бұрын

With the Hind AI, they said they want "functionality first" so I doubt it will be like Jester. I think they want it to function like another onboard computer system you can operate (you literally use it with "up" "Down" "Left" "Right" controls) instead of it being human-like and making it's own decisions (Jester has its own "mind" when deciding target priority or releasing CM).

@kilianortmann9979 2 жыл бұрын

For the Apache I absolutely agree with you , the WSO AI has to be on pointn especially for the gun. In contrast, the P Version Hind in DCS is heavily focused on fixed armament, which I think is a good decision, because it works fairy well without a second human player. For that reason, for me, Petrovich would be fine as an 'extended Targeting pod' similar to what he is right now.

@sniperwolfpk5 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best video regarding Mi-24 features and bugs. Well done for such a detailed video. I am waiting for some campaigns which i can't complete due to sling bugs, Appreciate your hard work. Keep up the good work

@bobbydigital51 2 жыл бұрын

Youre a legend bro' please keep making these type of videos so i know wether or not to buy the module.. Many thanks..

@coltius 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this. I've been kind of afraid to watch it until now. I preordered the Hind as my first DCS helicopter and was having fun just messing around in it but basically stopped flying it when my skill level got to the point that I could tell strange stuff was going on. The weird sideways flight and trimmer issues were two big things I couldn't understand what was going on. I've also noticed the trimmer (in either mode) simply not working near the center randomly. I bought the Hip a couple of weeks ago as basically a trainer for the Hind and I'm loving it thanks to your videos but trying to get back in the Hind it feels like the Mi-24 is incredibly unstable and takeoffs are a fight to the death compared to the Hip. I've flown it a little offline but most of my recent experience has been in MP where I seem to have more control issues and I'm starting to wonder if it's related to syncing even when you're the only one in the helicopter. I can't wait for your Hind videos to come out. Thanks again for all of your hard work!

@RoamingAdhocrat Жыл бұрын

When I was making mods for X-Plane back in the day - C++ plugins - something I did quite early was make a generic "toggle switch" class which would automatically generate bindings for "turn on", "turn off", and "toggle". and similar for pushbuttons and selector switches. so when I went to simulate a new system/panel, I'd just say "it has five toggle switches named x, y, z, two pushbuttons labelled a, b, and mode selector with options 1, 2, 3, 45" and I'd get bindings (and nice animations, sounds, save state etc) all built in not sure how any DCS third-party dev can survive to the end of the project without making something similar

@Leaddinosaur 2 жыл бұрын

Great points all. Done in a constructive way. Keep up the good work.

@theflyinggasmask 2 жыл бұрын

I want to note that the multicrew de-sync is not a problem only related to the hind, I've experienced it as well in the Huey and Gazelle. The biggest problem is if de-sync happens on a server with moderate to high ping the tail will snap off at random. (same with other helos) Also, a quick fix if stuff isn't working (rpm or rotor isn't synced) is to rejoin the helicopter. When i sit in the front i always rejoin before takeoff to make sure everything is working.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

The Gazelle is third party and uses its own multicrew code, which has always been highly problematic. So I can't fault ED there. My own experience has been that the Hind is much worse than the Huey for desync but you're right, it affects that helo too. Exploding or losing your tail for no reason always sucks :(

@StoneCoolds 2 жыл бұрын

Dsync its a problem in all planes in DCS, net code in general its a huge mess lol

@theflyinggasmask 2 жыл бұрын

@@StoneCoolds There's a difference between planes desyncing and your helicopter exploding

@dabneyoffermein595 Жыл бұрын

@@StoneCoolds wow, sounds like a non-starter

@man_vs_life 2 жыл бұрын

Subbed for the intelligent assessment. Good stuff.

@Air-Striegler 2 жыл бұрын

Justified and intelligent criticism, eloquently presented is so refreshing in a world where independently thinking critics are often perceived as "dissidents"... Fantastic video! Keep the good work up. I feel like YOU ARE the voice of the few critical consumers left out there!

@Juhujalp 2 жыл бұрын

There is one thing I missed with the flight model. With and without the gyros the mi-24 starts buffeting on approach where the nose will wobble up and down. This can be corrected for but it does not seem to be a correct representation of the actual thing. And I can not find anything on the forums about that. Is it just me?

@mikesolyom6884 2 жыл бұрын

Very thorough dissection of the Hind. Brutally honest. Big thumbs up from me. A couple thoughts I had while watching: 1. As a programmer I can't help but think about issues in DCS from a coding perspective like the "weightless sling load" problem. You're right that you brought it to their attention last year, but I don't think they are ignoring the problem. I don't have any insight into ED's code but my gut tells me this is a non-trivial issue that involves writing a new, complex flight model for sling loads. Right now they have what on the surface appears to be a very simple model for sling loads (same for bombs but that is another can of worms I can write a small book on). I could be wrong but that would explain the delay because that would be a major undertaking and not something they could knock out in a short time (like a patch cycle or two). 2. Regarding the issue of the APU underperforming in hot climates. Is there an option for external power? That would be the real life answer for the same problem. I'm not an expert on the real life Hind but I've run into too many issues in DCS that appeared to be bugs on the surface only to turn out to be accurate representations of non-intuitive things from the real world. I'm always wary now when I think something is a bug, unless I have documentation from either a real life source, an expert (like the Erik Scott video you mentioned), or ED that spells it out as truly being a bug. Great video and I'm glad you took the time to do research instead of rushing for day-one clicks.

@ripper253 2 жыл бұрын

They said the APU is underperforming and doesn't provide enough air pressure, and external AC power is an option (perfect for the mig-21 with electric start), but external high pressure air sadly is not at the moment, which being fully pneumatic start leaves us with the advised workaround of "just start with engines running"

@jubuttib 2 жыл бұрын

One 1, I agree a million percent. Taking a one body flight model and suddenly trying to convert it into a two body model is definitely non-trivial. I mean they could probably do the added weight quite easily (they can remove weight when fuel goes down, you shoot missiles, drop bombs or jettison stuff etc., so they should be able to increase it somehow too, maybe model it as a hidden, non-functional "fuel tank"), but doing any modeling on the effect of a swinging weight is probably going to take a lot of work.

@P90F55 2 жыл бұрын

Good post. Not everything is a bug. In real life things don't work well.

@charlesbukowski9836 2 жыл бұрын

Boy ..aren't u a singenie....👩‍🎓

@FGCH03 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent vids

@lambflorpadorp 2 жыл бұрын

Solid content as we have come to expect, still gotta run into you on SAW sometime.

@lambflorpadorp 2 жыл бұрын

Finished the video just now; Would mention the only thing you forgot may be the inability to properly drop bombs from the backseat in Multiplayer.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

There's actually a growing list of things I keep remembering that I never made notes of so I forgot to include them in the video and I'm kicking myself a bit lol. Oh well.

@AdmiralQuality 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video as always, vsTerminus! *So* glad I've finally learned my lesson and didn't fall for the pre-order on this one! And while I appreciate ED's new free demo policy, they really need to think about the wisdom of showing off products that aren't complete or functional enough to actually sell themselves. Free demos only work for good products. Maybe in 6 months this will be one? Until then, it doesn't matter, even if they say they've fixed it I won't believe it until I've seen it. More likely I'll be waiting even longer than that and getting it on half price sale. Even at 30% off pre-orders, DCS modules are far too expensive for what they are.

@dabneyoffermein595 Жыл бұрын

I'm hoping a lot of these issues have been fixed. This video is genius. (subscribed). do you have a video on Apache impressions? I'll attempt to search up your videos, but so far can't find it.

@vsTerminus Жыл бұрын

A lot of these issues have been addressed, yea. I would like to do a followup video maybe later this year to revisit everything I talked about. I never did any impression videos with the Apache because so many other people did.

@maean7410 2 жыл бұрын

hello, do you have any plans on covering the mi-24 more, perhaps even a tutorial series?

@OctoBooze 2 жыл бұрын

That sideways flight segment explains a lot for me. Thank you, it was puzzling me when trying out the module as to how and why does this feel so strange when sliding around, same with trim. ETL could pass for an explanation but it feels a bit of a stretch given how extreme it can get and how weathercocking seems to stabilize the opposite of expected. Overall I'm fairly happy with the release of the Hind. It's a mess, but not a disaster. A marked improvement over the F-16!

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, full credit to Erik Scott on that one. I'm excited to dig deeper into the flight model in the future but so far it feels really really good. The other issues are (hopefully) all things ED can and will address with time. I'm expecting half the stuff in this video to be obsolete in a month's time lol. But we'll see how it goes. I also want them to work on the Mi-8, as it has a few other bugs that have been around for a while.

@OctoBooze 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus Any update to the old Mi-8 would be welcome. I'm sure Hind gets its updates fast enough considering how fast F-16 was being worked on. I have no doubts that they'll get it ironed out in no time, relatively speaking of course. Going to give the Hind a new try when it's just a bit more mature then myself, it just feels too odd to fly with its trim behavior right now.

@getsideways7257 2 жыл бұрын

@@OctoBooze This is the only helicopter so far I got into a tail-spin condition in :) There is definitely something wrong with tail rotor modeling for sure, but on the bright side, at least it seems Belsimtek *are* trying to model its aerodynamic effects.

@whitenoise8952 2 жыл бұрын

Great summary and very informative for people who are on the fence! Maybe an addition to the list, or maybe I am missing something, but I was struggling with the R-828 ADF system. I set up a transmitting vehicle with a sound file in the editor, set up the channels, but can't get it to work (not hearing the transmission and more importantly, can't get the compass to point to it). I'm pretty sure I flipped all the right switches.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Actually that's one I knew about and forgot to include in the video. It never made it to my notes. Oops. IIRC, the radio nav only works on a hot start? So if you cold started you're out of luck. (Or maybe the other way around)

@whitenoise8952 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus It was my mistake. While testing it again, I noticed that I set up the vehicle to transmit as a triggered option, not as a waypoint option, so I never had an active radio beacon. I just tested both from cold and from hot and it seems to be working fine. Apologies for the confusion and thanks again for the great video! Thumbs up and subscribed. :-)

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thanks for the followup!

@jake4194 2 жыл бұрын

Petrovich wont line up sights when I try shooting atgms in seat 2... also it does this weird thing and i constantly need to reset trim to fly straight even though I don't use trim.

@bartacomuskidd775 2 жыл бұрын

Man i really like those CBU Heavies.

@taurau 2 жыл бұрын

the worst for me is the random "double trim" and lack of bindings love this beast but needs a quick fix on some obvious default like that

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I'm told the team is aware of the trim bug and they are working on it. So there's hope! Because right now I'm pretty hesitant to even use it lol

@taurau 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus It becomes a hardcore flying with this trim, sometimes double trim and sometimes you double tap by mistake it so it resets big surprise when landing But still this early access launch is quite good overall

@HerrW0lf 2 жыл бұрын

I fly mostly manual because of that. The best way I found to trim it, is like with the KA-50. Have the stick centered, press trim and then move the stick to where you want it to, release button. It's the only way it works for me.

@taurau 2 жыл бұрын

@@HerrW0lf I also tried this but same results, it is really on the release of the trim button when the magic happens

@markfluitt8427 Жыл бұрын

where did you get the CG livery? Awesome

@yappydawg8985 2 жыл бұрын

I am loving the Hind despite these early access faults you describe well. My main frustration, and one you did not mention, was the complete lack of information in the form of a manual. The Quickstart guide is nearly useless and tells you nothing. Learning the Hind is a painful trial and error process, lots of scanning around the cockpit and scratching your head, and/or searching endlessly on KZfaq for tutorials that may or may not answer your questions.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

That's a big frustration for me as well. I did mention at the very beginning that a lot of my tutorial research will depend on that manual but I really should have listed it in the main part of the video too. Could have shown a comparison between the Mi-8 manual and the Mi-24 quick start guide. Good call.

@medic25cav 2 жыл бұрын

I only have two training lessons is there something I missed or did wrong downloading

@SsgtHolland 2 жыл бұрын

Nice US Coast Guard Hind:)

@DrGonzo94 2 жыл бұрын

Love you Terminus!

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Love you too Felix!

@DrGonzo94 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus awww

@Molevitch 2 жыл бұрын

I was able to build a complete Voice Attack profile for Petrovich which I find works well. You can set push lengths in VA to achieve that.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

How does your profile know what mode the HUD is in? Does it just start with an assumption and store the state in a variable from there? Or is it actually reading the state from the game somehow?

@Molevitch 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus ok, so from the front seat, what I do is call Petrovich (I renamed him Grigor…). This starts him in FLT mode, which I can see in the HSI overlay. I can change Flight Mode by saying “Change Flight”. This cycles through modes FLT or CBTM. I can tell him “Turn Left 10 degrees” etc. “Slow down”, “Descend 50” etc

@heinzriemann3213 Жыл бұрын

As a programmer, fixing the sling load sounds like a task from hell.

@RealDarko 2 жыл бұрын

Is good to see I'm not the only one that does not understand the trim thing, hope they fix it if is a bug or just tell us how it should work. Thanks for the video. P.S. Are you using some kind of red effects on your video? Starting at 0:47, it seems you're flying in Africa :)

@bartacomuskidd775 2 жыл бұрын

Are you gonna get Jiggy with the HIndy now?! a whole Terminus HInd Series! Hey Guys! He said hes going to make a whole Hind series. Awesome!

@ttenor12 2 жыл бұрын

Module has been out for almost a year and Anti Ice is still not modeled but ice damage is, which doesn't make sense. By the way, do you think that many of the issues you have talked about here are already fixed? I'm thinking about getting it but would like to know how much it's improved.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I'm planning to do a 1 year update video for the Hind, but it does seem that many things on my list have been addressed already which is great. Some stuff is still around though, and with the team focused on the Apache my gut feel is that we won't see any major changes to the Hind in 2022. But maybe they'll prove me wrong! Anyway, bindings are better, MP sync is better, mirrors got fixed, we got another sound upgrade, rockets are fixed, atakas were added, and a variety of other changes too. But we're still missing Petrovich's voice, R-60Ms, the entire crew cabin area with gunner positions, a fix for the trimmer button with AP on, and other things. So there's still a lot to do as well.

@krostouin 2 жыл бұрын

Good review of the current state of the Hind. I find the Jester menu easier to use, because I don't need to remember any shortcut. Don't know why ED went that way, it makes communication harder than necessary.

@agamemnonn1 2 жыл бұрын

Jester can be ungainly due to the amount of menus you have the sift through. Petrovich is just a simple “fly here” mechanic. Don’t really need a visual wheel menu for that. Quick and easy; perfect for low altitude flying.

@antonbatura8385 2 жыл бұрын

I preordered, got it on day one. Overall, I got what I expected from an early access product. The only thing that was really frustrating to figure out was that DCS bunched up all axes of all my devices and assigned them all to sight control, messing it up royally. And the solution wasn't obvious, either. Once I got that figured out, my experience improved. Relatively speaking. Petro drinking on the job, though... I'm sure they'll fix it down the line, anyway. No performance issues on my old rig, which is nice.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

My confidence in ED to release something in a good state on day one has increased after this launch. The hind has issues, certainly, but nothing I found was significant enough to convince me to hold off. I bought it after just a few days on the free trial.

@antonbatura8385 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus it has been rather difficult to land on autorotation, though. Maybe a brief video on that sometime?

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

@@antonbatura8385 I spent about an hour practicing them and you're right, it's tricky to set down without tipping or bouncing or tail striking. You can see my best attempt at 22:51 when I start talking about the flight model, and even there it was a little bouncy. This is definitely one I'd like to do a video on.

@nexus888 Жыл бұрын

Maybe make an updated review now? There doesn’t seem to be anybody who has reviewed it for many months now. As a new buyer I couldn’t find anything recently but got it after jumping into the servers from rotor heads and enigma. People have lots of fun there

@vsTerminus Жыл бұрын

It's planned. Just trying to find time to start recording

@hummingbird9149 2 жыл бұрын

Worst part for me is the twitchy yaw and pitch, the real heli seems to be way more stable here.

@azayomi 2 жыл бұрын

Subscribed! Good feedback.

@citizenjags1309 2 жыл бұрын

flying the "HIND" makes me feel like I'm cheating on my old lady the "HIP".... LOL!! good vid bro! Can't wait for those tutorials.

@stalhuth 2 жыл бұрын

Also Petro almost never see any ground units to use the AT missile

@TR_P 2 жыл бұрын

My interim solution until they fix the inconsistency in trim behavior is to get a rough level trim and then make any minor adjustments with the trim hat and any major with the joystick and do a quick press at the end. For landing, it's imperative to have the trim centered and nose ever so slightly trimmed up when descending and from there I do not hit the trim button- I've found that doing that the AP sends me on a rodeo and I almost always end up on my side or see sawing forwards and backwards on the helipad. Very frustrating.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently the bug is related to the AP so I've just been flying with AP off.

@721MrG 2 жыл бұрын

I want to share my trim bug. When I fly and when I press trim button, all bind axis stop responding... collective, cyclic, rudder, throttle... switching position to forward and back regain controls... Anyone having something similar? I'm using TM Warthog throttle and stick with TM TPM pendular rudder pedals.

@FlavorfulGaming 2 жыл бұрын

Hold up. What was that compass at the beginning

@polosat1yMadd 10 ай бұрын

I want to mention one thing about translational lift. Feedback in-game is not as pronounced as in Mi-8 because it is so in real life. Mi-24 is MUCH less shake in a translational lift, and it is noted in exploitation manuals, mentioned by pilots(including my grandpa in law), etc.

@MatveyTsivinyuk 2 жыл бұрын

10:05 best pronounciation among _all_ the English speaking youtubers

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

Forgot to ask in a previous comment, but what kind of axis settings are you using with your cyclic? I'm able to fly, but I do wonder if some curve settings might help me smooth out my flying a bit.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I am using linear axes. No curves. Depending on your joystick and deadzone you could try curves to see if they help but my impression with the Hind so far is that most people shouldn't need them. What stick do you have?

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus I've got the Warthog joystick. It's working pretty well, and admittedly, a lot of the swaying is my learning a real helicopter after being spoiled by the Ka-50. Figured I'd see if you're sporting any axis profiles since your handling is very smooth in the videos.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronwhite1786 Ah. Yea you might actually be a good candidate for some axis curves. The Warthog is a nice stick and all, but the stiff centering force makes it hard to make small corrections around the center point, which is pretty much all you do in a helicopter! That stick was definitely intended for fixed wing, unfortunately. You could try setting pitch and roll curves of anywhere from +10 to +20 and see how it goes. You'll have an easier time making small movements at the center point with those in place. I'm flying with a VKB stick with soft springs and no center detent at all, so it's very easy for me to make minor corrections.

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus Thanks! I'll give it a shot and see!

@Johnny641 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronwhite1786 Hey mate, I fly all the Helos in DCS and also have a Warthog, I have +15 curve on Pitch/Roll and +15 on collective (inverted). I have found it flys pretty well with these.

@RK-he9dv 2 жыл бұрын

For LTE if that were to occur you would lose all control over nose authority because at that point the tail rotor would be in full VRS until the helicopter straightens out and the tail rotor is in "clean" or undisturbed air relative to its position. It could be a little bit of loss of tail rotor authority where your tail rotor isn't strong enough (either too small, not effective enough, or rpm isn't sufficient) to counter the main rotor tq and weathervane effect. However flight regime wise it doesn't make sense why it would want to go the same direction (clockwise) regardless of the relative wind hitting the body of the helicopter.

@FGCH03 2 жыл бұрын

Hey do you use the trim hat to make it more stable ? And do you have damper mod kit for your mfg pedals?

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I should use the hat more but I always forget about it because it's not an option in the Mi-8. I can usually get the trim where I want it without the hat anyway. I have the damper kit now, but I didn't when I recorded this video.

@FGCH03 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus I think the hind is more stable using the hat trim but I don’t know how realistic is flying that way, for your rudder pedals did you remove the spring? By the way excellent videos I love them.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I unhook the spring when I fly helos and put it back for fixed wing. It's nice that the MFG Crosswinds make that super easy to do.

@FGCH03 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus planning on make more hind videos?

@BalticDude_DCS 2 жыл бұрын

I hope they can add an animation for entering VRS because that's my #1 issue right now.

@BrljoMrljo 7 ай бұрын

O hell!. THis is 2 years later I am looking this video and that akward trim sudden pitch down is still constantly happenning to me. Damn! I thought it was my joystick.

@StoneCoolds 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, where do you got that black russian paint at the begging of the video? Thats the one i wanted for the hind from the start lol

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

The Serbian livery is linked in the description. It looks good, eh?

@StoneCoolds 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus it looks awesome! Tnx a lot or sharing the link :)

@thomasbouvier3203 2 жыл бұрын

weight on cargo should have been fix. It was in patch note :) Btw, i flew Mi8 before freefly the hind, and is it me or hind feel way more heavier than mi8? on take off i feel like i have no power. i tried to get the rpm higher with the 2 throttles on left hip. but it dont moove. Also, hind on marianas dont start. you have no battery power ^^'

@WarKaos 2 жыл бұрын

ED is awesome.. everytime they release a new aircraft they also offer the module DCS - Test Pilot for free XD

@shagrat47 2 жыл бұрын

I would prefer a simple option to reduce the Petrovich Interface to a small dot for the pointer and a mode/feedback box in the lower left corner (or positionable). The interaction through defined short/long presses on a 4-way hat is great, where as sacrificing possibly a dozen buttons to it isn't that nice. Especially in a russian helo with a gazillion buttons to map, already. 😇

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I like the four way hat, don't get me wrong. My suggestion was to have both the hat *and* some discrete bindings so that I could bind those to Voice Attack.

2 жыл бұрын

EDIT: Oh, now I remember. The song at the beginning is the theme song for the Mi-8.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

At 00:00 it's a few seconds of the main menu theme for the Hind and the Hip. Right after that is Клет - Восток-1 from claat.bandcamp.com

@MemphisMG86 2 жыл бұрын

is this AFTER or befor the first patch with fixes?

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Both, but the first patch didn't fix much except some crashes. The day after this video a patch came out with a bunch of fixes but I think most of what's in this video is still accurate.

@broworm1 2 жыл бұрын

Not being able to switch places in the HInd in MP is annoying since you have no access to Countermeasure settings. And since we can't order Petrovich to do anything other than shoot missiles we're missing features.

@superpartia3805 2 жыл бұрын

music from "intro" ? , thank you :P

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

It's displayed on the screen in the lower left corner :) Клет - Восток-1 ｖｏｓｔｏｋ－１ You can get it from his Bandcamp at claat.bandcamp.com - His KZfaq is also linked in the description.

@superpartia3805 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus okey thanks, but not "intro intro" but like first 20 seconds of video :D

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Oh lol. It's the main menu music for the Hip and the Hind in DCS.

@superpartia3805 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus wait, there is music in dcs? :D im kidding of course, thank you very much

@dart_q8 2 жыл бұрын

finally :D

@LazzySeal 2 жыл бұрын

It is indeed tail rotor vortex, just not tuned

@berserker6341 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your review. Yes, its something not right on the rotor tail, i "master..." xd all the helo's on DCS but this is really strange. About the mirrors you're right and also i would add or like a poor resolution mirror but enough to see if i hit something, and not put my vr head outside. I dont know why ED dont fix the rockets deflagration (on every aircraft). Its the main point of shoot some decent amount of rockets. In DCS you need to hit perfectly a VW hippie van (i will made one) for kill it, in the Su-25 or A-10 maybe its not a problem, but in helos...its not real and its not funny online (i dont recommend that). Petrovich fly fine if you compare it with the F-14 Iceman, at least we can rest or check something. From the pilot seat yes, is blurry when you look forward, but its amazing to see it when you move in on with the F4 camera, also the pilot and petrovich. Every mod must have a body pilot. Thanks again for your job!

@IgkuitBBswm 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love some tutorials on the AFCS, because half the time they seem to disagree with me and try to send the bird into the ground.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I think a video on that would end up full of caveats, "this isn't working correctly yet" or whatever, but it does seem to be something people want to know more about. Maybe I'll look into it a bit more.

@Husker5454 2 жыл бұрын

If im honest if they release an aircraft or modal that is unfinished i don't mind . The quality is always fantastic and the efforts made to the game from 2.5 - 2.7 have been massive and awesome . I know the modal will get constantly updated and features added so i will just enjoy them and as more things are released enjoy them too .

@cdgncgn 2 жыл бұрын

did you watch the video ? I have the feeling like you did not.

@Husker5454 2 жыл бұрын

@@cdgncgn ye mate watched the whole thing my comments not criticism or anything just thought id throw what i think out there

@cypher1o1 2 жыл бұрын

I would be definitely happy if the treated the sight just like the mirrors in vr where it looks like a screen. And you just put your head on the sight (on your own) and there is your sight picture.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I mean that would be the coolest thing for immersion, though without the actual pedestal to rest your head on it might get a little tiring holding your head in that position for long periods of time.

@karlhungus545 2 жыл бұрын

I bought the Hind to get the 30% discount and I've basically shelved it until it gets patched. I can't believe they still haven't fixed that slingload bug on the Hip. I won't be buying any campaigns for it until they do. Actually campaigns get broken so often by patches, I won't be buying any more of them period. You're also right about the way they structured the free trial this time. ED has finally learned some marketing skills 👏

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely still loving the Hind. Sorry that you're not having fun with it. For me, it's probably just as much the process of me learning to fly Helicopters in general, but there's just something so fun about running in on targets with the murder bus Hind.

@karlhungus545 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronwhite1786 Didn't say I'm not having fun with it, but I expected development to take a while, so I'm ok with shelving it. I have many other modules still to master, and it's summer time, which means outside...not sitting in front of my PC 😉

@iCanHazTwentyLetters 2 жыл бұрын

have any of the issues like syncing improved over time?

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, many of these these things have improved and others are reportedly "soon".

@iCanHazTwentyLetters 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus What about the mirrors, and is there a way to turn the mirrors completely off if not ? PS. Thanks for your reply.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

@@iCanHazTwentyLetters Mirrors got updated basically less than a week after this video to now show objects in the world around you, including buildings and trees and everything else. It did not seem to impact performance for me at all, and turning mirrors off (m key) is an option still, but mirrors don't seem to impact performance the way they used to, at least not for me. Leaving them on doesn't hurt my framerate at all.

@rednuke0082 2 жыл бұрын

16:04 with the sideways flight. The hind is not symmetrical you may be able to see it if you look at it head on. it has more mass on its right side.

@evanf111og 2 жыл бұрын

it would be nice to get an update to this video

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

That may or may not be something I already have planned :)

@evanf111og 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus nice

@DroneFirst-aerial_footage 2 жыл бұрын

Hi ! @26:49, I think you can't have the same efficient on right and left pedal, because this is an helicopter, so over your head, you have a very powerfull thing called TORQUE... When you fly a real helicopter, you can really experiment it, and how you need to correct with rudder till the end point if you pull the collective to high.

@JD96893 2 жыл бұрын

How is the hind now? Been thinking about picking it up.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

It's good. Still has the AP / Trim problem and we're still waiting on stuff like the cargo / gunner area, R60M air to air missiles, and Petrovich's voice, but supposedly work on that stuff is nearly done so hopefully we'll see it soon. They've added and improved a whole bunch of things and I've been having a lot of fun flying it recently. Can't comment on Multicrew as I haven't tried it recently, but it's certainly worthwhile if you want to pick it up.

@JD96893 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus thanks for the heads up. Think i will pick it up then, i'm getting tired of the glass cannon that is the Mi8 and i really like the soviet era aircraft so this seems like the perfect match.

@maean7410 2 жыл бұрын

i think the reason sling loading didnt make it into the patch notes is because its not exclusive to the hind, instead being a fault with the sim itself. great video other then that

@ghostskills 2 жыл бұрын

@janhruska4471 5 ай бұрын

Problem is that currently, there is (according to one of ED membes), NO pilot of real Mi-24 Hind in the ED team. Only technician or single Mi-8 pilot.

@rustyneedles3743 2 жыл бұрын

Did all of this get patched since this upload?

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

No, not all. A lot of things I talked about have been addressed and we're told that a few more are nearly ready for release. But at least for now we are still missing Petrovich's voice, the cargo area and door gunners, and there's still a weird trim interaction when the AP is on. Among other things. But they did fix a lot of desync, overhauled the bindings, added the Ataka missiles, improved the sounds, and a bunch of other good stuff. Overall it's in a good state, just kinda waiting on a few big ticket items to round it out right now.

@rustyneedles3743 2 жыл бұрын

@@vsTerminus oh okay, good and no so good, I guess at least some progress is made, I plan to buy a few more helicopters, I got the KA-50 on special the other day, so I'm slowly learning to fly it, lol, top man for the reply

@evanf111og 2 жыл бұрын

34:48 behind that low quality what ever you want to call it in the cargo bay is the medium quality cargo bay of the external model, also you could at one point in the past see the medium quality cargo bay by moving the camera back that far but now they changed the cameras limits

@pascalb2062 2 жыл бұрын

I guess that video contributes to the fact that they want to polish ah64 more and more every two weeks BEFORE releasing it.

@jamesmontgomery9464 2 жыл бұрын

maybe time to re-visit this and see what ED fixed and has yet to fix.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I plan to. Having some computer issues at the moment so I can't fly right now.

@CapitalRoach 2 жыл бұрын

That trim bug has been driving me mad, seems to happen for me at all cyclic inputs large or small, but it's like it only affects the pitch axis. Turning off the Pitch channel on the autopilot board seems to make it better but it might just be my imagination. Hope they fix this soon it's pretty unflyable like this.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

I think you're right about that. I got a bit more information this morning and apparently it's a weird interaction with the AP and some other systems. So the team is aware of it and working on it. Turning off pitch channel probably does help, I'll have to give it a try.

@Mike-vx8lh 2 жыл бұрын

I've definitely experienced it with the roll axis too, but it happens much more often with the pitch axis. And yeah, affects large inputs as well for me. I have just given up flying the Hind until it's fixed. It's so frustrating and I'm confused as to why more people aren't complaining about it.

@rudelchw 2 жыл бұрын

While I love your Mi-8 Tutorials, this video struck me in a negative way .. mostly because of the bait-catch title. I never expected an early access title to be free of bugs, and so none of this was a surprise, and thus making a criticism video so early after release it is a but unfortunate .. today's patch adressed several of the issues that you mention on the video, so making it a bit obsolete after just a couple of days since this video appeared. I'm enjoying the Hind currently, in spite of its shortcomings, and hope that ED will keep improving on it. 😇

@cdgncgn 2 жыл бұрын

are you that sensitive that you cant hear legitimate constructive criticism ?!? Your thinking is unfortunate ! Early access is there so that you find and report bugs, not hide them, and appear all is perfect ! Do you live in a gulag that you're afraid to speak of negatives that you see ? Oh, something got fixed, only after that video so you can insult the video maker that it is obsolete ? How do you know that is was not this video that got them to know and fixed it BECAUSE of that video ? Peer pressure, CONFORM !!! Do not provide constructive criticism, we value conformism more, in Our Freedom (TM) groupthink. This is truly shameful spineless behavior. Did you prove your moral superiority ? You did not. Fortunately. I apologize for being confrontational, if I look like negative-only, then feel free to delete my posts. I hate it when people love to be manipulated and throw themselves on a bandwagon, always, later on crying how they did not get the shiny new things ... because they demanded constructive criticism be shut up. Self-inflicted wounds.

@rudelchw 2 жыл бұрын

@@cdgncgn wow, wonder what happened in your life to have such an outrageous reaction ... so, according to you, this video was actually a bug report? and thanks to it ED rushed to release a patch in under 48 hours?

@tarzan12052 Жыл бұрын

Is the "sling loading" bug u mentions just with the hind? Because I can certainly feel weight with the huey. Just saying. If ur talking about ALL sling loading, I disagree with ur information. The huey isn't even able to pick up the 5k fuel tanks.

@jamonaustin6869 2 жыл бұрын

Dcs ground units sniper skills are the reasons im done flying the hind and helos in general cant even fly the hind the way it was intended without almost guaranteed to get myself killed. If i wanted to stand by and do nothing but shoot AT missles id fly the ka 50 it holds more of them too

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, that's a pretty legit problem that the Hind faces. No matter how good the module itself is, the current state of ground units just fails and makes the whole experience worse. Hopefully we see changes there before too long.

@broworm1 2 жыл бұрын

The sideways flight isn't an issue since you're just going to turn left anyways ;-) /s

@Power5 2 жыл бұрын

Petrovich is still passing notes in class. 8+ months later, still no voice. Wish ED would just buy the Jester interface from Heatblur and use that. If apache is menu based with no voice communications, that will be a real turn off. And good to know about the trim issue. I was wondering why I was having so much issue with trim.

@vsTerminus 2 жыл бұрын

Apache won't have voices at launch.