+Tobias LoL "i wonder how many people lost their job while they developed this one" That thought hit me hard. I never thought about that, and now I can't *stop* thinking about it. Best wishes to you, my friend.

Tobias LoL damn all these people turning me away from learning coding.... fk if i will finish that school and I will get a job as a programmer. or a pc mechanic. they teach both.

i think ill never play games again after this comment

Tobias LoL damn never shoulda clicked on this video because I fucking hate video games now

Before watching this video and reading comments I was thinking of switching my career from Android Developer to Game designer by doing game designer diploma coz my dream was to work in Ubisoft. Hmmm now I have to think again before trying to switch to game industry...

Fuck you rich

Wasn't there a scandal with the guys that developed LA Noire too, reminds me of that

Activision is looking really good now...

"Yu-bee-soft."

Vernon Schillinger I have always pronounced it 'You Be Soft' but is it meant to be 'Oo Be Soft' I dunno???

it's not like illegal it is illegal, we would call it slavery today.

samuraikatana1 Not if it's "optional" but then you're made "redundant" if you don't work unpaid overtime

There's loopholes in laws.

I got worse, my IT contract was "not renewed" so they didn't have to pay out redundancy.

not unless you can prove it in writing.

Hahah me to lol

Me too haha

Lol, That's the only thing I learned from this video. xD

Red Sniper me too mate I learned how to say "fuck Ubisoft" properly now 😂

MoodY GhannaM Haha yes. Damn right.

He's also a perfectionist, while probably under a lot of pressure from nintendo to finish in time for the holidays.

Sora is one of the best 2nd party developers for Nintendo. Right up there with HAL. They don't go through all this shit for only money, but to make the consumer happy.

And he probably got promoted.

He didn't get promoted, he owns the company.

the 3ds version was a waste

>99% of PC gamers are pirates Ubisoft/EA told you this, right?

when i have enough money to join the pc master race i will never buy a ubisoft game for this exact reason. they hate pc gamers.

I own Black Flag legally but I still use the cracked version because it's better. I get better performance with it and I don't have to run that shitty uPlay.

NuclearBunny970 There's also China.

Junoh Productions This. I tested ACU with pirated copy to see how it performs, I have no intend to play it though, because I couldn't care a less for that game, I just wanted to see the performance. I have i7-4770k and GTX 980 and I'll get like 45-60 fps on gameplay and like 35-45 fps on cut scenes at ultra high settings at 1080p, so I'm wondering what's the fuss about bad performance, sure it could be better, but the fact is that it performs better, because it's cracked to be offline. This is not first game where I have noticed this, some games are just better when you crack it even though you own it. Sometimes cracks cause games to crash and they of course create security holes.

*software developers life. Just go freelance its the only way

It is a chaotic work environment and a living nightmare for anyone really. The video game industry is really, really corrupt and it's not funny. Not one bit of it.

NinjaHamsters101 well i am lucky that i didn't actually had to work for a big company.

Michael Fish freelance isn't too good either. at least my experience wasn't so good.

Naresh Ugaonkar Yes I agree. Endlessly worrying about whether or not you will have enough work to pay your bills and avoid being homeless is the worst. This is my day to day life right now. Where I live there isn't much web development work. I've searched daily since january for a full time job but no luck. Maybe I should have finished my degree

unpaid overtime is standard in the games industry, we have our contracted hours which are 9-5, anything else you're doing for free, where I worked at they would buy you take out if you agreed to stayed back for 3 hours

welp thats illigal. in canada at least.

Yeah, I live in the UK, seems pretty common here to do free overtime (with regards to games industry that is)

TheBLC94 fuuuuuuuuck man. i fucking hate these greedy fuckers who scare you into working for free. im a cook at a restaurant and one week i had to work 70h. owner said she wouldnt pay me overtime. i just looked at her and said: you know thats illigal. bitch payed my overtime cash.

You're not the only one. The last place I worked at wasn't so bad, they would ask for one evening a week of overtime nearer deadlines which is more acceptable. Haha, nice one.

indeed, i did the same

+sinephase Minecraft's first ever playable version rolled out in May 9th, 2009 so what u on about mate?

iDoffy Breeze k then I'm off by a year, big deal? XD

I played the forest for free, and enjoyed the hell out of it. I bought it to support its development, as you should.

complete bollocks.

+sublimek I had over 670 hours overtime clocked at one of my previous projects. Unpaid. Stay well clear from this industry if you value family or friends.

+ImVitae I get where your coming from I myself don't like to work sometimes at my other job for free even if I'm just helping. But they need to treat you guys better than worrying about lining their pockets.

+sublimek The problem is that al this overtime is driving away the seniors which means they need to hire less experienced developers which in turns usually means more bugs and longer development time. They are basically digging their own grave.

+ImVitae True but you can't be blamed cause there treating you like slaves. They brought this on themselves.

+Jonathan Evans It sucks when companies take advantage of good workers that love their job. And now we have games that aren't even close to being done but get released. Hence why I have so much respect for the devs that risk their well being and to see their families for us while the CEOS don't give a rats ass what the people on the bottom of the gaming pole does.

Unless you work at valve.

+gadkinson "After seven years of development..." Gabe doesn't give a shit about release dates.

This is so wrong

Where the fuck do you only need $700 / month?

You can`t live normaly with $700 a month in europe!(= 624euro) MAYBE with a appartment with 1 room, but even that is about 300,400euros a month in a shitty area (with gas and electricity 450,500) , you can`t drive a car and do some fun activities. Good luck with your 124euro a month for eating like a king..

Pun intended?

more like strand up

The comment is up to interpretation. But whatever meaning you put to it is right - hideo kojima.

Here, Here!

kojima also has a youtube account right?i should really visit that

+HaloEliteLegend Depends on the Indie devs in question. Some are just as bad if not worse. And have attacked people for daring to have critiqued their game.

+Objectified Cross That's true with any product in any medium. I could name a few terrible Indie devs off the top of my head right now.

HaloEliteLegend I know that silly. I was just saying. Indie isn't perfect either. Though at least with Indie I get games like Dust instead of garbage like Lords of Shadow. I beat it shortly after Christmas and god was it fun.

+Objectified Cross The way it seems to be in my experience with indy games is: only about 10 out of 100 indy games will be what Id consider "good". Theres just too much really bad indy stuff out there which makes it RALLY hard to find any actual good stuff where & when it arrives. Personal indy faves I remember are: Gemini Rue, Resonance, Hydrophobia, Life Is Strange, Shadowrun Returns (and the 2 sequels), Outlast, hmmm, thats about all I can remember. I don't really like those modern indy games that try to emulate the 8-bit & 16-bit era graphics either, and they seem to be a penny a pound.

+ncshuriken It's not that they're necessarily trying to emulate those games, as much as it is working within their means

I think it shows a lack of trust in their own product as well.

DarthVaderReviews And they still somehow manage to treat their employees even worse

DarthVaderReviews Well when you have to give out a game like ACU for free because it had more shit in it than 2girls1cup, that just goes to show what kind of quality your company produces and whether or not it is worth people's money, or hell, if it is even worth people's bandwith time.

DarthVaderReviews not hard to put more fail safes in play ... make it online only and need a cd key (cant use keygens as the cd keys should be all on ubisoft system and tracked) put in a file that tracks if there using a cracked .exe shortcut , no? why not. too lazy i presume.

Kristoffer Henry The absolute best anti-piracy measure is to ensure consumers don't have a reason to pirate your games. Implementing hard anti-piracy measures like DRM and CD keys, ironically, just results in more piracy; Not to mention the fact you run the risk of having pirating your products being easier and faster than purchasing them legitimately.

Hahhah I was looking for this comment.

Youbisoft

Boobisoft

U*****t

Football Maniac thank god you remembered to censor it

And it shows, one of the best developers in the world at the moment. Hope the conditions are good, seems to be that way. Happy workers make better games who would have guessed.

I think it's because they really do it with passion, unlike other companies

+Whittaz85 Same with Bethesda

They don't let some airheads in Montreal give them unrealistic deadlines and budgets to follow, then proceed to sack everyone once the buggy rushed product fails in the market

CD Project is surely great developer but I wouldnt overestimate working conditions there. Being programmer and knowing guys that worked for the gaming industry, and also applied to CD project I can say that they do not pay as much as other IT industries. Dont know about work ethic in CD project as my friends didnt proceed with job aplication.

Same here man. Im a diehard Assassins creed fan and far cry fan and the way they have been treating us and their workers are wrong.

James Sunderland You complained about Ubisoft shipping bugged games yet Bethesda does the same thing.

Davis Warden The main game I play from Bathesda is Wolfenstein and the upcoming Doom, if there's other games out there from Bathesda, well I don't play them. I know Wolfenstein was and still is one of my favorite games and didn't have any issues playing it.

James Sunderland Those are Bethesda published games not developed...

Davis Warden I never said developed

Yeah fuck companies that do that and treat people Inhumanely.

Ubisoft and EA are both just overall complete shit. I cant believe I used to like them in the ps2/ps3 eras

eatin some chicken mane yep. EA, Ubisoft, WB all do that stuff now. We have to vote with our wallets and not support that. The new Battlefront $50 season pass is the worst iv'e seen in a while. The fad needs to go, but it only will if we don't support it. They only do it because people are buying it.

+Frosty ! Already voted nearly ten years ago...Never again..

+Frosty ! Doesn't matter if you don't buy, your opinion doesn't matter, only the pigeons' and sheep's.

that's why only who loves their career works there ;)

sounds like idiots.

more like dumbasses who chose to "make video games :D" instead of getting into a more useful part of the IT field

Slurm its highly addictive well call them what ever you want after all games industry makes more the movies one ;)

Ach Hadda yea but thats not really a good thing is it? once these larger corporations started realizing how much money they can make in the video game industry they started flocking over, bringing their shady business practices with them, like outsourcing and false advertising. Thats kind of the whole point of this video, I doubt Ubisoft devs are the only ones being pushed to their limits to meet fall deadlines, ever wonder why call of duty games come out exclusively in the fall? its to make the most money.

The thing, if they payed their employees appropriately they would take a pretty big hit of a few million. The way their contracts work is that they give a contract to development studio that states when the game is released, how many people you have to work with, and how many hours are expected. On paper everything sounds fair. In practice, everyone has a lot less time to do things in than their should be. At the pace everyone realistically works at overtime is necessary to finish the project. Though. the contract with the company have already been made, so overtime isn't covered. It's all very legal, but it's not ethical. And it's really the fault of the studios. I know no one wants to hear it, but studios underbid each other for gaming contracts all the time. And corporations will always go with the cheaper, if unrealistic, option.

A loss of a few milion bucks for something like Ubisoft is on border of negligeble. Like.. 10% of theire profit. And what a marketing power they would get, to "show off" to the programming community that they CAN afford to respect the 8h/day 5day a week laws AND still make games

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+Paul Andreas Allik *penis

My friend...I...agree...with...every...word...you said. :-) #keeppreachingthetruth

I agree. the indie scene is the only hope for the future of gaming now. indie developers that are successful will hopefully in the future grow to make their own companies with the spirit of gaming in mind instead of the bottom dollar. that's the only way in my opinion future artists in the game industry will flourish.

+ethan Klahn Dude i think rockstar knows how to treat them they take thier time and wont stress the f**k out of you and you will have 3-4 years to get a new polished game out

***** I'm really regretting it, I'm stuck on a mission where I have to infiltrate this big ass building, there are guards at every entry point, and just like Far Cry 4, if they just glance at you for two seconds, then all the enemies lose their shit, and go ballistic on you.. I really wish Ubisoft would stop milking this series,I'd like to be able to pass enemies and not get harassed, you can literally get harassed by counter revolutionaries by just walking down the streets, even though you're supposed to be fully disguised (Even before you've done a crime, killed someone, etc.) Unless you've got bullet proof armor, you're fucked, they'll pull out a pistol when they're literally two feet away from you, It'd be okay if it didn't insta-kill you, I still haven't found a way to use someone as a meat shield to avoid it. You would think that having a few people in front of you would change the impact of the bullet, since they'd get the bad end of it, but no, the bullets pass right through them, and hit you directly. There's also another feature of the game, where you literally go forward in time after the french revolution, going through different portals. (That's what I'll call them I can't remember the actual name, I could give less of a fuck what they'e called.) And if this isn't done before the clock goes down, then you HAVE to leave the animus.. WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? They brought micro transactions into the game with character customization, which is great, but forcing people to do multiplayer co-op missions to earn specific pieces of armor kind of sucks, even though they can be done alone, some of them get outrageously difficult.. Also, your guy is basically Spider-Man, and can jump from objects that are like ten feet away, he somehow just leaps a bit farther, which makes him better at parkour than Altair, Connor, Ezio, and Edward... I got sick of being insta-detected in Far Cry 4, and I was actually enjoying that game, but then I got a big "FUCK YOU." from the director by forcing me to do a stealth mission, I'd rather go into Arnold mode, and say "FUCK THE STEALTH,YOU'RE A FUCKING QUIRE BOY COMPARED TO ME, A QUIRE BOY!", and then pull out my M60 light machine gun with infinite ammo, and Rocket propelled grenades for my RPG-7.. Tired of this shit, why force your players into doing anything? It's not like, oh we can say fuck the hostages, take the anti-hero way out, and do things our own way, while completing the mission.. That's like forcing someone to eat their own shit, in order to progress further in life.. I love the atmosphere that Far Cry 4 and Unity offer, I just can't stand how I absolutely, positively have to do things the way the director, or whoever wants it according to the story line, although it's more expected with the Assassin's creed series, because it's stealthy ninja time, although the devs haven't bothered to put in a dedicated crouching button until now. I don't blame the devs, but this shit will make people hate AAA gaming more and more, which might be why Sony is trying to get more indie games onto their system.. There's no options for what route you'd take, I'd at least like the option to say "Fuck the Golden path, I'm fighting for the other side!." You know what's funny? Assassin's creed unity let on like you had a choice in helping the Assassin hacker chick, who showed you the memories of Arno in the first place, to help her.. I Got a big "FUCK YOU" with a press A to continue, sure, story progression, but what about all the shit mentioned when I was playing as a Knight in the knights Templar Wait that's DLC? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least Warner brothers gives their players free DLC, they did it with Injustice and Shadows of Mordor.. I just wish Ubisoft would finally just rename their franchises to fuck it, you'll buy it anyway, there will be tons of over priced DLC, and you'll bitch about it, and give it shitty reviews, but we'll continue to strive, because we have money, which keeps us from gaining competition, because we pay for companies to give us good reviews..

It was like that with III, and I myself had some minor BS with Rogue. Ship literally doing barrel rolls in the ocean, climbing fuck ups that never get any less annoying, and even pushed under the ship beneath the map into instant death. Granted the climbing thing was a slight problem in IV, it was as bad as III which was horrible... Never had I seen the rolling and falling through the map. I agree with how you say Ubisoft is a reason for piracy, but it's been a problem for longer than Unity.

Tobias Rieper I just hate having to watch walk through videos, I mean, yeah, it's not that time consuming to do so, and I should be able to form a pattern, but that one mission in Far Cry 4 gives you very little room, and few options, besides blowing up a vehicle, that causes a distraction.. I always thought it'd be cool doing things your own way in the Assassin's creed series, even if I failed my mission, seeing the consequences of not doing it, and doing another mission instead would be cool, but instead, you absolutely have to accomplish it, as if the Assassins never had back up plans in case someone fucked up.. I can't believe that nobody in the entire history of the Assassin order has made a mistake, that compromise their mission, and they end up getting captured, or worse.... The games are great, I'm just too stubborn to force myself to play the game the way someone else did, just to get to another part in the story.

Jiminy Cricket I dont see what the problem is with Far cry 4..it was great You bitching about one mission forcing you to go stealth? You just suck maybe

Jiminy Cricket Oh I agree. That forced stealth mission in Far Cry 3 had me frustrated. I haven't played 4 yet, mostly waiting to have a new console before I buy any more big titles. But forced mechanics (especially in a game that markets and displays action more so than stealth), or mechanics without reasonable excuses to limit the player (an example of a passable excuse, say like, a time limit because it needs to be done at night before day break, or there's a bomb) is pretty much the anti-thesis of a game. That's a good reason why I'm being appealed more back into Metal Gear Solid and waiting for TPP. It's always stressed stealth over combat but I have yet to see it be forced in MGS. I mean I don't particularly play Rambo style but it's nice to know that if I make a mistake or oversight, I have options in combat or to even evade and disappear again... I'd rather take a small dent to my overall rank or score than outright failing that leads to frustration being force fed repetition until perfection; which usually leads to putting me off a game rather than encourage me to experiment and try new tactics.

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"should get" according to whom ? im a dev btw

and massive salaries for the upper level executives that are actually a hinderance to the process.

cdpr form W3 said they had to spend more for add thens the game cost,

Which is weird since gamers seem to be really active consumers, I don't know about you but I usually try to follow games I want to buy pretty closely.

Karmic Reballance so if people want to work extra you are going to make it illegal?

Really? Being paid for the work you do is socialist now, how? Overtime should be elective by the worker, not mandatory. And you should be paid for your labor, unless you like indentured servitude or slavery.

"want to work extra"

:( I love cats

Actually some of us "pirates" do have a justification, or at least I think I do have one. I'm 16 I obviously don't have a job and I really don't feel like begging my parents to buy me videogames when we are already struggling with car insurances, rent, medicines for my father etc. I only bought a few games when they were on sale to play them online but most of my games are all pirated, I wouldn't have been able to buy them anyway so I might as well download them illegally, when I'll have a job of my own I'll start paying for them unless it's from ubisoft or other shitty game companies that make very bad ports for pc. Also I'm pretty sure most console gamers buy used games and that's just as bad as piracy since the devs don't earn anything from them.

Sentry Ward You're right, i've edited my comment to say what i meant to say in the first place: that 'some' pirates are outright thiefs, i can understand those who wouldn't buy it anyway or who want to try before they buy. I do understand you're situation, i'm not ignorant to that at all. With that said i do not agree with you on used games however, did you buy your house straight from the builder? is your car bought brand new? is everything you own first hand? I doubt it and that is complete hypocrisy. Piracy is one copy of the game either genuine or not being multiplied and downloaded potentially thousands of times! A used game is ONE genuine game that was once new being passed through multiple owners Used games and piracy are not the same thing.

Sentry Ward I have a job and I only "pirate" a game to demo the game if i'm not sure I'll like it. Money is tight and I don't want to waste it, so in the rare circumstance where a game interests me but I'm overly skeptical, I might pirate it, try it for an hour or two, and if I like it i'll buy it. If I don't like it then I'll remove all the data from my computer. I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to actually try a game for a little bit and see if it will actually be worth my money.

TheOldOne Hey moron. For the game to be "Pirated" Someone had to had bought it initially as a new game. Used games are not that different from pirated copies.

Sentry Ward fuck you

Is the salary on Internet is true? I searched on the Internet and the annual salary is 100k+ and I know that depends on your role & experience

I love when comments like yours comes up with a good story to share from experience. Why aren't comments like yours not receiving much attention? This is honestly a great comment to read through.

NinjaHamsters101 I can answer that: because it's a long comment, and this is the Internet... you know how people are, anything more than a couple of sentences is a mighty intellectual strain. Which is kinda depressing in a way, really.

Misery hahaha Fair enough. :)

I'm relieved to hear you had a good experience! I'm a software developer and I used to want to work on games, but after all I've seen and heard about the industry, I've almost given up on the idea.The only exception I've thought about is indie development. I've been making little games in my freetime, and maybe someday I can put that to use and develop my dream game, with no hassle and pressure. My job right now is very stable, the pay is good, no long days. I'm happy.

What you could do is put aside a little free time to make a medium-small indie game, and sell it for some extra profit. Maybe if you make a good one you will get an offer to join a company. (not ubisoft or EA, lol)

Blizzard because overwatch or WoW? cause overwatch is a good game imo, only netcode could use some work

That Guy Rolled In Bacon cus WoW, i do agree that the devs have been very passionate about overwatch, even tho its probably nothing for me i still think it looks good for the genre.

Daniel Asgaard ah oke thx for clearing that up

I don't like that genre, but I agree, it looks great for the genre, and could easily replace TF2.

It is being revitalised by the indie game movement. Access to top engines and asset development software, countless hours and pages of available learning resources, talented and open dev communities and the rise of online distribution. I used to work in the VFX industry and walked away from it for the exact same reasons outlined by this ex-Ubi dev, I would never take another job in a meat grinder like that. happily developing my game from my home everyday :D couldn't be happier.

+CreepyFireX IKR? It was making me want to play it :P

Same here.

+CreepyFireX I actually got stuck on the dungeon he was playing here.

Me too lol

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it's UBISOFT you dumbshit

sorry

+dmike3507 You can't pronounce shit over the internet you "Dumbshit".

+Nick Hackett You can't pronounce shit over the internet. God fucking Christ!!!!!

+Amado Moreno Watch your head, it's getting closer every time!

Lol

ahh Legend of link...good shit *Not Zelda* dont get it why its called Legend of Zelda, whats the legend? Being kidnapped by ganon? :D

@@theMyouknow Zelda's power is the only thing to seal ganon. smh

Remember a time when game developers were honest, passionate groups of people that saw games as more than just "products"? People who made sure than when you bought their games, you'd buy the whole thing with no strings attached. Today's developers are just a bunch of corporate scumbags that are being fondled by the sycophantic gaming press selling their own intergrity faster than all the half-hearted shovelware crap they keep throwing at us. Being someone who grew up with an NES, I fully sympathize with you. Piracy is not a crime when buying a legitimate product is the equivalent of giving a thief your money just to save him the trouble.

supereldinho You're exactly right, and Steam's 'Early Access' is proof that a majority of devs these days want to grab and run.

supereldinho I remember those days, recently, I have been playing a lot more emulated games then modern ones, and honestly, I enjoy them much more. Remember back when games were released on the PS2 or earlier consoles, and almost every single time, they worked. Sure, you would find a glitch or bug, but, if anything, they were to be explored for and sometimes just funny. You got an entire game that you paid for, with no BS DLC. You also didnt have to worry about companies just saying " screw it. Release it, then patch it. I truly miss those days.

alix903 Me too. Video gaming has gone so far downhill lately that I don't know whether to pity it or flat-out loathe it for what it has reduced itself to. I guess we are truly fortunate to have emulators to remind us what gaming was truly about.

That was his choice. He wanted the game to be out before Christmas, and he really wanted to put the effort in to make it a good game. I agree I feel bad for him, but it was his choice in the end.

But he wasn't forced to.

why?? that's a normal work week for many Japanese. That is probably why they have the highest suicide rate in the world.

***** He slept at his work station instead of going home.

If you didn't know, Sakurai is a Perfectionist. He wants his game to be perfect but he acknowledges he's getting older. Due to this, he's having a very hard time deciding who will take up the Super Smash Bros. mantle.

the problem is that some of these companies only give codes to download the game now a days and im like if i had that kind of data to spare i wouldve brought it online anyways

is the labor laws in america non existent

+MrVercettti it is, but for some reason it doesnt apply to the vfx industry... the companies dont want to implement it cause they d lose too much money and the artists are scared to complain fearing they ll lose their job and be banned and tagged as a "trouble maker"....it sucks i know and its quite ridiculous. the government is aware and should step in.... yet.... so far in my 16 years experience in the field nothings changed.

Fields that are heavily unionized are usually pretty good, but become a stagnant cesspool. Fields like these where there are no unions and is highly competitive, workers get taken to the cleaners. With regards to what is happening is a gray area. They're most likely contract which means there is a set pay for them and they have to fulfill their obligations. However, their contract demands too much. Unfortunately, their field will never successfully unionize because it is ultra-competitive and full of people willing to work for nothing.

Cross bow on Southpark

***** But the Xbox One isn't any better.

***** I think that is the usual mentality on console and I understand why. On PC indie games are very welcome though.

koenigsegg One 1 People buy consoles expecting the latest new triple a game. My PC could easily run all indie games.

Really? Man I'm more and more loving indie titles now! So much more original than the typical saturated market of: "Cool guy has a cool weapon in 3rd person mode, some free roam and you can upgrade your guy every so often" I am so turned off by games like this that come out all the freaking time! Nintendo still makes some interesting games.

***** At the same time, people like these experiences that Indie titles generally cannot provide. You may get games more original than Assassins Creed, but then ask to apply the same: engine, open world, customisation options, voice actors etc. and there is no fucking way an Indie developer is doing that without proper funds.

emulating only refers to running old console games on a pc... and you cant be serious if you think that some people playing Mario 64 on their pc's is hurting the industry

I'm just a pc gamer that wants to play fucking GOOD GAMES and yes I do pirate games before I buy them but fuck. What If I bought AC Unity? Thank god I pirated that first so I know not to buy that shit game

***** Not judging you or accusing you but that excuse of try before buy is crap. Get a demo and if none exist wait for reviews etc cause i am pretty confident no one pirate's an entire game it turns out great then delete it to actually buy it. I am pretty sure they keep playing and just keep it.

Jamie Humphreys LOL.... What games now days have demos available really.... that has to be the most stupid thing ever. I'm one of those people that if the game took 10 hours to complete I would do it over 2-3 weeks instead of a few days like other people so I usually torrent the game play about 1-2 hours over a few days and then decide how I feel and if I like it I will go on steam and get it. I think I have the right to do that because why should I pay money for a game that cant even run properly ex AC Unity? That is pretty much scaming users out of their hard earned cash and unlike some people I'm not able to ask my mum to buy me the new cod every time one comes out I have to EARN my money and then buy it my self so I would rather know what I am buying before I buy it so I watch reviews and I play the game for my self a bit before making the decision if its worth my money or not and if its not then I wont even have the intention to complete the game anyway.

That kind of makes no sense. I'm pretty sure those so called PC gamers are confused about what emulating truly is.

Go live in the First world then.....Stop complaining

+Patrick Either that was a joke or you are really damn stupid.

+Allen Smith man... The joke is not far from the truth if im honest with you.... Sadly bte

ragnot95 Actually, you're right. People move to live in the first world all the time. It's called "Illegal Immigration", ever heard of it?

+Allen Smith it's actually just called immigration, illegal is when you are too impatient to enter legally, smh you really think illegal immigration is the only way to get into a country

It's open world and shit man!

Yeah man, graphics havent improved much though.

The original Rayman was the first game I've ever played and it holds a special place in my heart so I hope that ubisoft doesn't screw it up.

Actually screw Rayman, if they outsource it to Ubiart it'll be a sweet game, what I *really* don't want them to make now is a Beyond Good & Evil 2.

Yeah true, battlefield 4is fine now runs like butter

Not really. The phrase Dice worked their asses off is pretty hilarious, considering they still haven't fixed the massive issues in BF3 alone, let alone basic shit like the chat system in 4, and they've had a year.

I personally had no problems in BF3 (PC, PS3) and or the chat in in BF4.... so...

SkinnyWeirdGuy Literally every game I've played in BF4 has had huge issues with the chat lagging, with tons of other people complaining about it when it happens. They've been re-using the engine since Bad Company 1 and it's the only game I've ever played with that issue, with over a year to fix that issue alone. They've had since 2008 to fix the engine. There is no excuse.

They're pretty much started from scratch with BF3. They kept the name but the engine was basically new. What are you playing on anyways?

Lol Valve isn't a game company anymore. They just manage steam and get fat off other people's work.

so ture dont worry it will come on the year 3000 half life 3 part 1

100% agree, I can wait a cou0le months or a few years for a game if it means the developers won't be burned out making it.

+Daniel Mills You Forgot Unturned. - $0.00$

Ian Beaty Yeah that too

Guys I just listed the main PC games listed that are very widely played right now

+Minecraft Warez (i know guys its a kids game but still)

+Daniel Mills Can you list any worse games?

***** Nintendo is tryng a much different strategy with this sort of thing, they're realy betting on the indie developers, i mean go and wtahc the lastest Direct where they talk about how much they consider indie devs as part of a "family" of sorts, on the 3ds&wii u e-shop new indie games pop-up faster than steam green-light, If another crash happens here are the 4 ways of gaming that won't be affect at all(i believe so atleast), 1 - the Wii U, 2 - the 3DS/N3DS, 3 - the Nvidia Shield family(expeacialy the tablet), 4 - PC & Steam Nintendo & Valve are supporting indie devs like no one else, the Shield family because it realy *is* a sneak peek at the future of gaming and PC gaming because well i don't have to explain it...

***** No console fanboys sounds like an utopic reality, Reason why i don't think the wii u won't be hit as hard, if affected, is because, first of all, it has no 3rd party support, and second of all, it's the second biggest indie platform, barely behind Steam and the 3DS e-shop

I dunno if it'd crash the way we're all familiar with-- after all, there are a slough of indie studios out there who're much more flexible than other companies of the Atari era, and with crowd funding platforms like patreon (not necessarily kickstarter), studios with proven quality can get fans to fund the games they want to produce. That said, I'm all for another crash to shed the deadwood. . . Yes, it'd be tumultuous and yes, people will loose their jobs and it's going to be horrible, but it'd force producers and consumers to think differently about the medium and what can be done with it.

***** Yep....already switching to PC, not all console gamers are morons. Hopefully it kills off bad publishers like Activision, EA, and ubisoft.

Michael Bay Pc and Mobile are quite litteraly the future of gaming, no wonder why NVIDIA themselfs are betting in this idea

Well, if you own a high end gaming setup, a pc is better than a console, but for lower price ranges, i'd say consoles are better. But sniping in FPS games is way more accurate with a mouse. It makes it easier to hit moving targets.

evilphoenix 007 Well it's not the pc's fault, it's the developers fault.

Zrow It's not the PC's fault it cannot launch, it was the port's fault for being so faulty. And yes, I do know the error you're talking about, rockstar abandons almost all of their old PC ports, and the community has to fix it themselves.

I'm just going to ignore the fact that your opinion is completely baseless, and ask you how "99% of PC gamers don't care about video games" even makes sense when, technically, you have to play games to be called a PC gamer.

Christopher Bell No you don't. You can be labeled something without actually having the traits required to be labeled it, just as you can have the traits necessary to be labeled something, but not be labeled it. For example, Ted Kennedy is now considered to be a great man, regardless of the fact that he got drunk, drove his car into a pond and ended up drowning a young lady who was in the car with him. Not only that, but he left the scene and didn't report it to the police until the next morning, after the police had already discovered the car and the dead woman inside. People still say he was a great man, regardless of all that. So, you can be labeled something, even when you're not that. And I know that 99% of PC gamers don't care about games because I've never seen them talk about their love of videogames, of gameplay, or just general entertainment they get from playing games. What you get from PC gamers is endlessly going on about 1080p and 60 frames per second. That's it.

Never have a seen such flawed logic. You sir deserve an award.

christian martin Explain the flaw then. Have at it.

Christopher Bell Seriously, it be hard to get real statistics, but I'd say PC has more dedicated gamers and console has more casual gamers... Dedicated Gamers are the ones who really care, but we've moved into the generation of casual gamers and there is more money to be made with a game that holds your hand. I'm so disappointed in the industry right now, there passions in the money not the game. Exception: Alien Isolation very surprising to see game cater to skill and take the time to get the story right, but every other game this year has been shit... At least from what I've seen

And he doesn't even work for Ubisoft or EA. If he did it would had been suicide lol

At least he could take his time.

Kojima didn't actually _want_ to make MGS4 if the first place, so that could have been a lot of it. He doesn't want to be known as "the Metal gear guy", being forced to make yet another one probably made that sink in a bit more.

ZombieBarioth yet now there's a 5th one being made.

videogameprof Yea, but we don't know the details surrounding it. Could be they were going to do it with him or without him, and being his creation so he wants to make sure its handled right, or perhaps hes making lemonade out of lemons and is using an existing IP to do something new, could be something in his contract. Who knows.

This actually is a reminder of what happened to the studios that did the game of L.A. Noire that went through a similar situation.

GTONeko what happened with them? (Not in the loop..)

Robert Insko The actual development studios called Team Bondi had a very similar situation for having extremely long hours, bad work conditions in certain moments...it was just overall bad where after the news came out, the development studio was disbanded.

+Anthony Sgambati Quite the sad world we live in indeed. Maybe try a kickstarter project with some other people who are passionate about the same genre as yourself and go from there? That's how Super Meat Boy and many other indie games started,and look where it got those guys...

Most openings for developers are actually contracts. I think for the most part they get an hourly wage, or set amount for the work required. That can be a way, and some people do that. Ideally, I would like to get in with a good company and stay. Build a team, a family, make games, have fun. I think that's more possible on the indie side. Big developers seem just as bad at McDonalds and Walmart. It's okay if your at the top, but shit roles downhill and the low level guys are smothered in it :(

+Anthony Sgambati and its why it is still like that. Someone fresh, full of hopes and dreams, finally found a job in the gaming industry, accepts to take it up the ass because he is "living his dream". 3-5 years later, he has a family, he wants to have a life, quit and lose hope in the gaming industry. Then someone other kid with hopes and dreams take his place...

+Anthony Sgambati Contracts like that are the major problem. AAA companies have been spoiled by internet prevalence and that's let the accountants have their precious fiscal projections so that BA degree meant for tangible products like cars and computers can be applied to entertainment products in a desperate attempt to make the risk of entertainment products more predictable and therefore appealing to investors. Because companies exist to cater to investors, now. Not customers. CEOs relate better to shareholders, after all. They're equally just in it for the money and have no personal stake in the product itself. Because relying on people who expect you to give them two dollars for every dollar they give you is a totally sustainable system and reasonable source of income, according to most CEOs. Apparently.

*This corporate world has to go already!* My thoughts exactly!!!

That how I feel about gaming. I remember I used to be so into it with game magazine subscriptions, games on preorder, always playing something and watching videos and just loving the medium, but I just grew out of it. It's like the industry takes the biggest shits on the consumers and the consumers are too immature to do anything about it. All of the AAA games used to be great but as the current trends of yearly releases, microtransactions, DLCs, etc etc came about they've just gone to shit. Another thing is that now that I'm buying my own games I'm being far more picky about which games I buys. They're outrageously expensive and hardly ever worth the price. I've lost a lot of interest in games and even after this recent E3 I don't care for much. Dishonored 2 and Battlefield 1 are the only games I'm excited for, and that's because they're doing new things. Everything else is so trite and undercooked and so badly marketed that it's not even worth a look.

Duuuuuuuuuuude. YES. Exactly my thoughts. Then my friends look at me crazy when I don't spend $$$ upgrading my PC. Last game I actually stuck to was MGS5 on the PS4.

+Tanner M. For Honor, you joking. Game is gonna be sick

+Tanner M. The only AAA companies I trust are Bethesda and rockstar not because of their games but because of the time they take on them... The same reason why I refuse to pre order anymore because if I seal the deal with my purchase I don't get a guaranteed good game, I kinda learned this from my mistake of pre ordering watch dogs... Now I just wait long enough for the prices to drop and for the bots and biased reviews to even out with real reviews

i don't like indie developers because they never make good open world games. they are either linear and high quality or just the opposite

***** Im pretty sure the police can stop 12 year olds...

My guess is that the entire FBI and military would search for these kids and shove Them in behind bars

jasper daugaard for LIFE!

Essentially. Hilarious too as even the questions on these shitty part time jobs ask and expect you to be ready and available at a moments notice. WHAT? It's a fucking part time job. Fuck you.

Desmond Brown exactly. Fuck these corporations.

***** and the sad thing is they get away with it.

Exactly and this Devs get frustrated about their little free time and overwork and deadlines and start hating trible A game developing but the truth is that the problem here isn't about developing an AAA title but about this corporations being greedy and trying to overwork them instead of hiring more employees to do the job. Basically they don't want to pay the extra salaries so they they make the one they have do the work of three people. It's disgusting. If you want to finish the game in your fucking deadline then hire the necessary staff for the job you cheap bastards!

in what country do you live in? and for what company did you work for? im curious.

I'm in Canada and I've worked for several companies like EA, funcom, to indie companies with no real names. and third party companies like babel media. and worked on phone games like peggle and world series of poker to console games like rage, lotr war in the north, once upon a monster and PC games like secret world and age of Conan. the list of titles I've worked on in my 5 years is incredibly long. I love making games but I have no passion for the companies.

indie companies treated me well. they pay more and tend to have more accommodating hours/ will either pay your or compensate for most overtime. third party testing was min wage. you never knew you were scheduled to work unless you came in the morning to check the board which sucks if you weren't scheduled because you had to take the walk of shame out the office (I became a lead quickly in that company so I had solid hours despite being a few cents over min wage) the big companies were min wage or barely above. long ass hours which just gets banked. I was working at times 70 hours a week with no immediate compensation per paycheck. when I was laid off though, they had to pay out like 400 hours of banked overtime. I liked that. most common thing big or small companies that make their own games all tend to have free beer on Fridays. that's always nice. the problem with big companies is that you often aren't embedded with the developer's. you are in a separate area and they tend to treat you like you are lesser. to them you are the bottom of the totem pole. I think it's mostly cause there's no direct interaction and they see your bugs as telling them that they suck at their jobs. which isn't true. project managers, the design leads hate being told when their vision of something won't work.

I've got friends who have worked for certain developers, I know what you're talking about.

if the bugs u report aren't fixed, then why the fuck do they bother with QA People

I wish nintendo would make a new mega man game for the wii u or 3ds. There hasn't been a new one in so long.

To be fair to Rockstar, the amount of times in 5 years that Rockstar releases a video game, is probably far less than most. They spen 100Mill on one game, while someone like Ubisoft spends 8Mill on several dozen or so. That's 150Mill.. I'd rather games be more concentrated like GtaV.

ShadowReaper Considering they just announced the Megaman Amiibo and seeing how the Amiibos add content to games from their franchise and to other games, we might be getting some sort of surprise in the form of a future Nintendo Megaman game. Really wish they'd make Megaman Legends 3 for Wii-U since they put Volnutt in Megaman's Final Smash.

Rockstar dont just release games for the fuck of it like Ubisoft, EA and Activison. Every game they release is a masterpiece and they release games every 2 or 3 years.

Cynthric Legends 3 was going to be a 3ds title but it was canceled

God can't save them now. However, bricks can.

OmegaX171 God can do anything. God bless you and your family.

Odd, considering nothing's fixing global warming and the rising number of athiests/agnostics in the world. I suppose he cares too much to fix anything himself, he'd rather let our world burn at our hands.

OmegaX171 You said something interesting. "He'd rather let our world burn at our hands." You're partly right there it is burning at our (humanity in general) hands. However I never did get how many people in the world can blame God for this when they choose not to serve Him. There's actually a Bible verse about this. Proverbs 19:3. "A person's own folly leads to their ruin, yet their heart rages against the LORD." God bless you.

FeedingFrenzy91 I choose not to serve him, yet my life is no worse for it, nor are the lives of those around me. It does not make someone a bad person to believe in something else. Bad people are found in every type of belief, religion, and corner of the world. Also, I've never really liked that book.

Nah, Konami. Ubisoft is a shit company but Konami is doing all the same as Ubisoft, plus screwed Kojima out of everything he's worked for, even to the point of removing his credit in MGS V and intentionally went out of their way to prevent him from going to the Game Awards last year to accept the award that he was meant to receive. If you haven't seen much about it, look up AlphaOmegaSin Konami rants on youtube. He's a bit...crude in his methods, but he get's his point across.

Konami > Activision > Ubisoft

wtf guys are you serious? after what activision did with destiny? activision makes ubisoft and konami look like good companies.

***** Care to elaborate? Last I checked, Activision, while a shitty company, never fired their lead designer and went out of their way to prevent him from receiving the recognition, nor did they announce last year they are ceasing all AAA title development and turning most of their series into fucking Pachinko machines.

Camino377 And as far as their "AAA titles" are concerned, when it is not a 'Left 4 Dead' or 'Dead Rising' clone with the Metal Gear name slapped onto it (you know what I mean), it is pro Evolution Soccer, which is basically the same thing every year like FIFA (from my own knowledge).

I read all that on the forum, what a nightmare.

***** Also, notice how I start out as appreciative as possible and stay that way as long as humanly possible. You want a bigger nightmare? I should show you my Twitter DM's with these joker's. I have literally hundreds of them. That doesn't even mention the blatant lies on the BBB claim. It's a travesty to say the least. Their biggest issue now is apparently some sort of huge memory leak after patch 1.3 that the entire forum is blowing up about. Take a huge guess into what the developers are doing about it...I could go on an on but the forums speak for themselves. I just link my case as often as I can in hopes I steer a sale away from them. Maybe at some point one of these reviewer KZfaqrs will pick it up and expose them. If not, I still did my part. Thanks for reading.

They treat the employees like tools. When was the last time you complimented your hammer?

I believe he has since he specifically mentioned them in the video...

Trevor twoclever I actually thank my wrench and pump when fixing my bike.... I'm not weird.

Trevor twoclever Yes because comparing an inanimate object to a human being is very logical.

Critical Thinking THAT IS THEIR MINDSET!

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> Obviously it would cost them more money to build a game over a longer period of time I think you just answered your own question. In the end, it all comes down to money.

Because, they will always go with the cheapest gaming studios, and studios always screw eachother over by underbidding. Underbidding is terrible because everyone except the person giving the contract lose.

Jeremy Allexon you're stupid you don't need $2000 to have a decent gaming rig that will beat console performance. ...do your research. .

There are tons of 'AAA' game makers but only a few like nintendo, Platinum games actually make games worthy of the 'AAA' title. And indie games are awesome AND cheap. You know, games like BF4 and FC4 aren't great compared to games like TLOU, any nintendo game, any game by platinum games (W101, Ookami, Madworld) or even indie games. I hope more companies like this appear and those moneysuckers like Ubisoft and EA disappear.

thing is though if they released rogue first and unity next year (probably fixing up the bugs and adding some new content) people would be like "OMG UBISHIT WORSE COMPANY EVER THEY JUST WANT UR MONEY WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE NOT RELEASING NU GAMS AT TEH SAM TIME PROBABLIE JUST ASHAMED THEY CANT MAKE GAMES." ~ based on a true story

triedge763 Be careful what you wish for. If the big companies fall, or if they have some seriously reduced manpower and funding, they would stop making 'big' games, the kind of stuff that take years to develop. Then, you'd see the rise of a 'new' form of gaming, the mobile kind, which is already happening albeit not to such a massive extent. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that small iOS games and the like are bad or anything, thing is, they don't require as much resources to develop as AAA titles, and in some instances, generate even more cash. Indie devs already make them more than anything, and so would the weakened big companies if they can no longer afford to make AAA games. Kiss goodbye to the 'true' RPGs, RTS, FPS and plenty of others. 99% of the games we'll get then are gonna be your usual tablet and phone ones, full of cash shops and so dumbed-down a child of 5 could play with its eyes closed.

Steve Hussein I'm pretty sure the 'true' games are already dead when it comes to EA and UbiSoft. We need to boycott stuff to make them hear to our demands

LOL thats right :)

Atomic Sauce. Yewbisoft? Or just "Uh"bisoft? I'm just fucking with ya it says yoobeesoft in wikipedia.

+Atomic Sauce. haha RTU doesnt know how to say ubisoft

Yeah, it's 'ooobisoft'. Ubi means "where" in Latin and it's pronounced "ooobi", so he pronounced it correctly

+What the fuck are you doing reading my username? you be soft

I'm in the same boat. I was planning to go to college to be a 3d animator (for reasons, it didn't work out.) but I met the instructors, I told them about what I wanted to do, later stayed in contact with them, and they basically coached me on the side for a while. They showed me where I can download softwares to make both 2d and 3d games, sites to get good quality textures, and even pre-made character models. You literally can make your own game by yourself if you have the time to spare. Look at the dude who created FEZ, he made a fantastic imaginative and expansive world by himself, I believe. If you have ideas and at least want to give them a shot, it never hurts to try :) If you want to mess around in one of the engines and see how it works, look up the unity engine, I personally found it easiest to work with, especially for 2d games. There should be a trail version on the site that Has everything for free c:

You should check out Dust An Elysian Tail. Metroidvania-type game that's very good and made by 1 guy (minus music and va) It's out for 360, PC, Mac, and even Linux.

on mobile, no EDIT button yet. Dust is also on PS4

You can always try going into it, sure it's going to be a hard road and there may be a lot of bumps on the way, but at least you tried or succeded and can use that experience for something else. Though as my dad has always said "Always have a plan B in your pocket".

SUPERHOT is run on crowd funding too. We've seen how great that's come out to be so far.

Don't worry at least some companies try like naughty dog they are there own company and dev also cdprojectred they are a small team but did a good job until update 1 on the witcher 3 made the game get a few bugs but they fixed

+kevin lopes Naughty Dog! I miss Crash Bandicoot :(

+Xeno Yea, Uncharted is just getting BEYOND boring. I really enjoyed 1 & especially 2, but by the time I got to #3 I just found myself falling asleep. Its as if they haven't really changed anything about the series since the 1st or 2nd game. Thats fair enough in a sense, because the formula obviously sells, but its bad in that it doesn't encourage Naughty Dog to actually do much expansion on the formula which has now become 100% predictable and repetitive. Its just endless "rinse & repeat" just like Assassins Creed & COD. The PS1 days with games like Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, Wipeout 2097 etc were the true golden years of the games world IMO. So much more innovation & creativity, more room for it too, especially the former.

+happydappyman Look at the new Friday 13th game coming out soon enough... it wasn't even supposed to *be* a Friday 13th game originally, just a wannabe fan-made (solid and authentically looking) summer-camp-slasher game, but seeing its potential, the love and passion of the independent developers for the franchise, it got so popular that even the original creators picked up/found interest in it AND GAVE THEM THE LICENSE, ENTITLEMENT *FOR FREE*! That's awesome of them IMO, not to mention original creator, producer, composer (music) and even Kane Hodder - the actor and stunt coordinator for the O.G. Jason HIMSELF got involved in the making of the game! It raised over $800,000 on Kickstarter alone, and another $3,000 on another account, so the fanbase is really standing strong behind the idea as well. I'm really rooting for this project to come out great, *solid* and set the example or *standard* for similar future projects to come - it will prove that it IS possible to make thi shappen WITHOUT the *corporate BULLSHIT & BULLFUCK.*

Might want to learn Japanese then. Or work for Retro Studios.

Yeah Nintendo of 'Murica most likely. Not sure if they actually develop games though because I know their main devs are the EAD Tokyo.

Aidan McCabe Nintendo of America primarily just deals with the localization process. As far as actual game development goes, Retro Studios is their only 1st party western studio as far as I'm aware. There are some external studios that work exclusively for Nintendo though, such as Next Level Games (Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon).

Yeah either way there are probably fun jobs to do there at NoA

Nintendo treehouse is their development studio over here in the West

Acc0rd79 At least you are unionized there is a silver lining in that. Best of luck to you!

We know game development isn't easy but it should be something the developers know how to do pretty well and revs like everybody in jobs can get lazy it may not be easy but depends on the person and company

1216Rockman Yes, let's see you do 6+ hours in overtime every night for a year straight, without any pay for it AT ALL, including not seeing your family, kids, or friends for weeks on end. Even if you did see them, they would not be awake, considering you're at the 'office' more so than you're at home. You won't get the usual 7 hours of sleep that you need, and you're likely to spend the night at the office. OF COURSE THESE PEOPLE WHO SLAVE AWAY AT THE KEYBOARD 15+ HOURS A DAY, STRAIGHT, EVERY DAY FOR MONTHS-YEARS ARE JUST SO DAMN LAZY, RIGHT?

RedMatter Bro game development differs, also I know the can work overtime but still not a good reason to put out a broken product to which I also blame the publishers

1216Rockman I understand that, but you're more likely to get a stable job working for a AAA company than an Indy comp, due to them mostly having high specifications for their workers. (This is mostly only a problem if you're just starting your career out). If you're going into Videogame development from the get-go of college (or your basement, wherever you learned to do what you do now), then you will be expected to have some prior work experience, for most of the jobs that you may be hired for. This is not the case for AAA companies, considering the number of other workers just like you already out there, just hoping to fill their resumes. The best way to go is to go Indy, but the risks are huge and you may end up losing more than you gained.

Khao Mortadios I really though that being an artist/programmer at a game company earns you lots of money and have a good ol time making the game.

Valve, Bathesda, Rockstar and probably Nintendo too.

***** TRUTH! I enjoy more games from Bethesda and Rockstar than I do from Ubisoft and EA (Although EA is changing for the better as of late).

Nintendo also

What about square? Or CD Projekt RED they don't have the ressources now but who knows the witcher 3 might sell 10 million+ .

Rocksteady never let down yet

They have already deleted the post so chances are that its true

+diehardsmokerbuddy Good idea buddy, if you want to make a game and like coding and computers, take up software development. Companies will hire you to code for their company for products and such and you can make games on the side with all the knowledge you've accumulated with computer language :)

Yeah..... I've heard stories like these many times which saddens me because I genuinely want to do game design. But who knows, maybe I'll find an outlet for my dreams someday.

@@zamirewilson7424 Just be a writer or something bro. It will be much easier for you lol

Best of all indie devs can't really afford to pull the sort of crap big studios like Ubisoft pull without risking financial ruin.

Valve hasn't released a game in ages. You can't really compare it to this.

Last game was like portal or csgo. Also there games aren't all that good.

wtf there games are legendary(half life , portal , dota etc)

Except their policies suck and their platform is only good to have games in one place, other than that steam is absolute shit, hl2 was a buggy mess and csgo is a monetizing game turning little kids into gamblers.

+lego fan dota isn't made by valve, at least the original one. dota was a mod in warcraft 3 (blizzard game) and valve just used that mod to create their standalone game, lol..

It hasn't happened since 1983 and in the future it might (if this bullshit continues)

***** yup.

***** I'm talking about lack of coders.

Why?

cantbe jawsome Because the programmers will turn away from big companies and make indie games.