Stab. Spears > Swords. I will always advocate the true warrior's weapons! Sticks!

9k

O K

​@@AdneelFactCheater

A stab is more deadly than a slash

The same thing happened with Gen 5 Mon in general, too

You’re a human

Honest opinion, I think trubish and garboder are waaay too overheated, the only thing I dislike on garboder is just that his arms are on different levels, other than that, I genuinely looks good, and I think is a way better grimer/muk replacement in the sence that garboder and trubish actually look significantly different and not just like the first stage got fatter. Vanilite is OK, but I think they could have shown better that it's an icicle covered in snow, maybe not have the face on the snow that is covering its body, and a bit of a different face, silly pokemon are fine, but it needs a contrast in personality, looks, concept or something, Vanilite is silly all around, there is no contrast in it that can offset the silly in my opinion, if it had a more mischievous face or it kidnaped children like driftloon, I think it would have been less hated

Chandelure is my fav mon, and magnemite is the cutest thing ever. Also, dont get what ppl even dislike about object mons, maybe just most of them arent good designs or sth

I mean, online I've seen almost nothing but love for it, but I have actually seen gen wunners heckle chandelure cosplayers and several other newer 'mon cosplayers (Literally In Real Life) before. So. Sleep well tonight knowing people like that exist.

Might be a cultural thing too, since in Japan there are yokai that are living objects, and when other folks don't know that, they deride them for being 'boring'.

I’d rather have an object mon over “Literal just an animal”

The animated object ghost Pokemon are some if my favorites

I guess the issue is more about the "twists" or the type of object they start from that cause issue for some people. Like yeah, Aegislash and its line are fine. But then you got the Vanilluxe line and Klefki who are a bit "off" (in my personal opinion again).

@@Juju2927 ”How do we make an icecream Pokémon” “Well, what if it was an icicle that puts snow on its head in the shape of icecream, but when the snow melts it drips to the bottom of the cone and refreezes like icicles normally do and thus, gives itself eternal life!” “How do we exemplify the trickster nature of fairies?” “Let’s make a fairy that steals a valuable item, like important keys, and make it a little fairy shaped like a key ring so it can carry a lot of keys!” I’m paraphrasing but I find these significantly more interesting than “It’s a haunted sword seeking vengeance and bloodshed”

Yeah animated objects are such a ubiquitous concept in fantasy, I don't get why people don't like them. I literally used a bunch of magically animated swords in my DnD campaign today

Pokémon are also just yōkai in a way, so object mons make sense from that angle.

Then they all died.

Personally, i chose to believe that that is a misunderstanding Its a defense mechanism, that was later misunderstood as malicious

Came looking for a comment that goes into the German namesake and its implications some more 🙏

Redenem the sword of damocles is also the same mystickal weapon that all 7 kings have from the anime series called k.

Master sword

lightsaber

Maybe in a potential Legends Galar game it could have a regional form more heavily based on Excalibur

If it ever gets a past form I want it to be literally just a big stick.

So a guardian from the test of strength shrines? ... Yeah I'm here for that

Or a literal Poké Ball knockoff in the form of Voltorb or Electrode.

​@@SuperDanMan11100And then they might say "b-but my object yokai!" like that 1) isn't one of the inspirations for all the subsequent object Pokémon and 2) excuses what, by their own self-proclaimed metric, is bad design.

And the Vanillite line.

Or Geodude, which is literally a rock with arms. lol

@@Nosidda but that BARELY counts as an object mon.

I could've sworn one of the artists in charge of designing the megas straight up said in an interview he wanted to make one but couldn't think of a good design

If megas ever co- ❌ Damn

True

I think otherwise. Personally I think Megas undermine the core concept of Pokémon evolution, where each stage is a separate character and not simply an animal growing older. Jigglypuff has notable design differences from Wigglytuff, and while you can understand they’re connected, Wigglytuff isn’t literally just Jigglypuff but more mature looking, it has the bunny ears and feet and that adds a new layer. Same reason why a lot of mid stage starters have random additions that then disappear, Charmeleon’s red skin, Croconaw’s caveman aesthetic, Raboot’s pocket. Megas a lot of the time just kinda added stuff on to a Pokémon. No real change, cause obviously it’s a form change not a proper evolution. The downside of this though is when you try to make a Mega for a Pokémon in a complete line with a finished concept and are unable to expand on it. Sure you could make “cooler Flygon” but you might also not do the design enough Justice or cater enough to fan demand. That’s what happened with Charizard and Mewtwo, then 1-3 months later they revealed “Heyyy, here’s the Mega X forms that just so happen to be everything the fans have been demanding in their outrage.” My point is Flygon is a wonderful Pokémon with a completed concept, just like Tyranitar, Metagross, and Garchomp. Adding a mega isn’t adding a new layer to the cake, it’s just injecting more cake into the layer that already exists. I’ve heard some argue “well they could make it a Bug type!” but I feel like for a Mega Flygon that would just be a direct downgrade as it loses STAB on ground moves, can’t learn many amazing bug moves, and trades it’s okay weakness spread for a whole bunch of new ones.

The sorry state if Scarlet/Violet💯💯💯

Many of my favorits count into that group, chandalure, klefkey, as long as the concept and design are great...... The irony, of gen one and two being worst when it came to objects and lazy designers but gen oners complaining that new pokemon where "just somethingsomething"

crazy news for ya

oh boy do i got somee to tell you

They did ghost/steel before and better than goldhengo

I did, objectmons sucks even if they’re swords.

​@c0mpu73rguy Why? Cursed/possessed objects are everywhere in Japanese folklore.

@@thecannonball34 Because the designs themselves are lazy, I wouldn’t mind objectmons if they were better done. Like Tangela for example, that thing is supposed to be a living noodle dish isn’t it? Yet it still looks like a pokemon. On the other hand, we have a sword… With, like, an eye around the hilt… That’s it.

​@@c0mpu73rguyFound the genwunner.

Or fate as Gilgamesh has an entire vault full of weapons that he can fire like a machine gun.

The mythical gilgamesh did use an axe

Shout out to Greg. All my homies love Greg.

​@@MegaPokefan97and was the first monster.... I love how things that are spoken about as new concepts are found way back in mesopotamian writings, from non binary people and how they are under the protection of istar against discrimination to the sympathetic monster vs monterous hero...... Gilgamesh slayed a monster just minding it's own business protecting its forest and when enkidu stumbled upon him and the devastation he layed upon the guarded ground he questioned just what he thought to have done there, not at all happy with his best bro in the slightest

And maybe even the Fate series' Gilgamesh because he's seen carrying a sword called Ea which could only be wielded by Gilgamesh himself who is also seen wearing golden armor. He also has a Noble Phantasm called Gate of Babylon that opens up a large portal from behind him that sends out many different weapons.

I can't tell if you're serious or not

@@kitkatboard It’s a theory

@@chinsaw2727 The guys were called the Franks, the country France. It's that simple.

@@kitkatboard But why were the Franks called the Franks?

@@chinsaw2727 According to Wikipedia, it could come from ancient German for "spear" or "strong willed/free man"

Agreed, but some are better than others. Like Manectric is better than Boltund and Hisuian Growlithe is better than the normal.

Exactly! "Look! A cat that can breathe fire! A cat that controls plants! A cat that can swim underwater!" Seriously? Object mons a a break from that mold, and it almost never misses.

I agree, but I must note that poke'mon like Houndoom are pretty creative. A lot more than the poke'mon which are just a dog but [elemental]. That may be why sylveon was my favorite eveelution.

@@geologist1235 yeah I'd give the houndoom and Houndstone lines some creative merit def more than the stoutland or mabosstiff, and boltund lines

yeah, flareon for example is just dog that are red and breathe fire, whats so creative about that

Aegislash is the first Pokémon that made me wanna hunt a shiny.

​@@tarlaihopehonestly same

With the incoherent, 'ow, the edge' description of someone's "original" 'mon, that's probable.

We forget Muk and Weezing is just different forms of pollution Specifically Water and Air Pollution. Garbodor is just land pollution in general. Alolan Muk is the result of humans trying to solve polluted rivers. This Muk can eat solid waste. Galarian Weezing might look like industrial smoke stacks from factories, but are actually nuclear power plants spewing regular steam. Meanwhile Gigantabodor just turns into a mountain of today's excessive consumerism causing more pollution. you can see discarded pokedolls, toy planes and boats, Magikarp's skeleton, a whole building, an abandoned train, an even a *MASTER BALL* stuck to its body.

Great idea!

It could be Poison/Electric type. Something like the Blob from fnaf, but instead of animatronic parts it's old corroded rusty electronics.

Very curious how that would look!

Its a cat

Orange dragon with fire on tail : genius, so inspired ! Ghost sword inspired by a demon king, Greek mythology and tales of King Arthur : boo, soo uninspired, they're running out of ideas !

That's a good one!!!

As a former genwunnder myself, I found it hilarious. lol Gen 1 will always be my favorite, nostalgia is powerful like that. But I did eventually come around to appreciate the rest as well, the newer Pokemon are just as cool if not cooler in many ways. In fact my favorite mythic is not even gen 1 at all, it's Hoopa. Genwunners are silly. lol

It felt alot more like strawman arguments

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Genwunners are much rarer and tamer than they used to be. During gen 5-6, you REALLY couldn't mention Pokémon without someone weeping about ice cream and keychain Pokémon and the series being on the downfall ever since gen 2.

im a genwunner, but not the usual negative one. I really appreciate all gens, I just put gen 1 in higher regards plus I love all objectmons. next are the humanoids. then plants. i like animal-based monsters the least

Now we’re asking the real questions.

Wait, so are you suggesting we modelled Pokeballs after Brute Bonnet?

​@@CrownofMischiefthat's definitely an paradox theory restriction, tho. . if the ruff ol paradox mons were their original look thats just an coincidence

@@Sunneh2013 Yeah, I usually leaned into the paradox aspect to explain things like Brute Bonnet, I was just trying to follow OP's logic

Birds aren't real.

Okay, this "Genwunner" complaint thing is more common than any genwunner complaint... Any real "Genwunner" complaint stopped like over 10 years ago... and even then, it started when a group of old fans saw some of the weirder Gen 5 Pokemon and had complaints that would have died down if people just ignored them... Basically, this "defeated nostalgia thing" is nostalgia itself and is basically a complaint towards arguments of the past that few hold... and it's call to attention is more common than it's very existance...

@@TheDeathmail im just saying that some pokèmon fans like a design because its nostalgic no matter how terrible it well be im not complaining about genwunners (sorry btw)

@@TheDeathmailI think it’s more so about pointing out the contradictions in the new Pokémon bad complaint as while it’s fine to have gen 1 mons as your favorite. Casting Judgement on new mons for things the old generations did and ignoring that is weird to me. But what a fandom without its contradictions.

@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Great, and, I approve of all three nicknames, especially because Honedge’s Japanese name is literally Hitotsuki, as if the demons from Donbrothers that have the name Hitotsuki would actually have Honedge as a part of their arsenal.

He did mention them, just only in editing. He shows the red blade and mentions that while that’s on screen.

@@bornasotoudeh4044 oh cool I didn't notice. Aegislash has one of the best shinies imo

I’ve never heard anyone call Necrozma a rip-off of Kyurem. Is that something people do?

no no no wait, in french there are specific rules as to when a g is hard and when its soft, in english its completly random all the time and the reason you can see similarities is because a lot of english words came from french

They could have made a Paldean Honedge based on Spanish sabers, evolving into ascalon (Saint Giorgios' sword) mixed with the Dragon Slayer from Berserk

Boy is there some good news for you!

Especially since Nobunaga didn't wield a cursed blade. As noted in the video, he used a Masamune (Kotegiri), not a Muramasa. (Side note: Muramasa was never a pupil of Masamune, as that was literally impossible due to when they lived. The legend of Juuchi Yosamu/Muranasa vs. Yawarakai-Tei/Masamune is more a parable at best.)

To be honest, all I want from Mega Evolution is a "generic Mega Stone" of sorts. Doesn't change the Pokemon's form, maybe 20 points for each stat or 30 in the two highest stats and 20 in the next two highest, but still allows Pokemon teams without one of the 20 popular Pokemon to utilize the mechanic. This isn't saying this will replace the Mega Evolution, just giving mons without the special rocks to still "mega-evolve"

D&D encounter

Nor do I

I think the main thing is that blazing isn't clothed and doesn't have a full time job as a football star member

@@kaitogirldraws But at least the Scorbunny line makes more sense for why it’s a humanoid. Like little rabbit that loves playing soccer evolving into a sports mascot makes way more sense compared to a baby chick evolving into a man bird because it knows kung fu.