certified lover boy - " Do your thing 21!"

For me it's that new movie on the Weinstein case that gives me the ick. I would only be happy with it if all the profits went to a feminist non profit.

I'm sorry, but yout cleveage is very distracting. Its like they're begging for a good motorboating.

@@mikejohnson9728 Get help.

@@mikejohnson9728. …..

wow. people are awful. :(

I'm from Milwaukee too. The cops who fucked up the case are still on the force. It's very much still traumatic for everyone involved as well as our community as a whole

Right! it’s awful how much they only care about profit and not real people. I can guarantee they would not want a film made of their traumatic death, yet they are doing it to others despite the knowledge that nobody wants this. Sickening.

Sending you all love. It’s awful how theses families and communities are being forced to go through this. ❤❤

Milwaukee is more than Dahmer despite what the series suggests

All he does is fuck up. Keeping on Lea Michelle was the first in a LONG line of bad mistakes

Pam and Tommy did the same thing to Pamela, I can’t imagine how violating that feels

“A full minute of stunned silence means ‘My God what did you do?’ not ‘Please continue.’”

This is why I am not watching that distasteful mini-series. Also, the way they promoted the mini-series was unpleasant too.

@Iara Figueira Jeffrey Dahmer’s mini-series that Shanspeare mentioned in this video. I saw snippets being promoted on Instagram and they made Jeffrey awkwardly mess around with a dark skin Black man. I do not know if he was grabbing his neck or face in an aggressive manner because it was a month or two ago when I saw the promo. Also, I showed my older sister, and swiped quick after it popped up the first time😭💯

honestly, “men ☕”

@@flamingaish wait I don’t get it💀

Same; I wanna fight for Meg!!!

It shows how women who look like her are always an easy target

idk how ppl are still supporting him tbh

Tf?! You should be aware wih your friendship, sis 😭

Honestly I don't know any generation who has the minimum of respect for victims, sadly

she's dumb, im sorry

Everyone makes a bad or offensive joke, but the important thing is to listen to criticism. If someone tells you it's offensive, then take a step back and consider it. She clearly didn't.

drop that friend-

femme-presenting? what? do you mean biological women going by male or men going by female?

@@ilikethoseodds.4066 probably non binary folk who are more feminine in how they dress maybe also gender fluid or trans folk

@@ilikethoseodds.4066 people who look/dress/act feminine, regardless of gender.

I completely agree!! And that argument goes for all victims too, no matter how they present Not trying to take away from womens suffering ofc as I’m a victim of abuse as well, just wanted to bring this up too since it pisses me the FUCK. OFF. that my boyfriend is called feminine and “weak” by his dad for having been abused by a woman!! Which is infuriating and also ties into the fact that society views women as lesser than People can complain all they want about “Oh, well women get lesser sentences in court! They’re coddled!” Which, yeah that may be true to a degree, but it doesn’t make our suffering in other ways any less real or important And it seems like no one ever asks WHY that’s true? It’s because women are so fucking infantilized News flash, we’re just as capable of being terrible people as men are. We should have equal rights and equal responsibility, and victims shouldn’t be brushed off when they speak up I think I got a bit off topic with my ramblings lol Moral of the story I agree with what you’re saying

@@alaysiadennis9420 are only women and people who dress feminine abused? I'm confused.

one could say it may be a product of masculinity. toxic masculinity says emotions are weak, so feeling empathy and pain for these victims isn't as cool as flexing your lack of empathy, your proof you've "overcome" weaker emotions to show how unfazed and strong you are. not that men only do it, but masculinity is the aspiration anyone should have since it offers power. anyway lol just spouting whatever comes to mind

Perfectly said...

@@eg4441 EXACTLY! blaming toxic masculinity isn’t only saying it affects men…plenty of people still want to be perceived as masculine, think nlogs girls or the masculine type of pick me girl. But you don’t even have to be one of those…toxic masculinity still stigmatizes those for everyone. Does that make sense, lol? I wish more people got that.

@@sophiathefurbst understanding that masculine behaviour from women get them further in life including misogyny as men who want to be misogynistic for power over women prioritise women who also degrade women

Well said

LMAO

lmao

The title screams INCEL

Say thanks to those commercials...

I'm literally screaming because I was just saying this the other day. I swear that's the only type of cologne those types find to wear.

There are more false deniers than false accusers

I’m going to assume you’re asking this genuinely but people lie about serious stuff all the time. Going to college doesn’t mean you aren’t capable of lying about things. While I do believe she initially lied to cover for Tory, nothing you described makes a person inherently trust worthy.

@@dinkyboss so, you don't believe her?

@@nikanikasavina it’s not about whether I believe here or not. I’m going off of you logic that, because she has a career she wouldn’t lie about something like this. She’s been moving sloppy af the entire time she’s been famous and I don’t know her to say definitively she’s lying or telling the truth. I’m inclined to believe that most people don’t lie about stuff like that. However I don’t put anything past anyone.

@@dinkyboss you know that black women in America suffer a lot of violence and abuse, particularly from black men, and they use such arguments to put black women down and keep abusing them. I’m talking about Megan, and if you ever watched any interview with her you would see that she is genuine person, and not some crazy lunatic liar (as some men trying to portray her as).

I'm sorta assuming they do it because they think it's funny. At least some of them do. They enjoy the thought of traumatizing people just for the sake of it. So in short, they're just a bunch of sick bastards

They don’t think people who are more sensitive than them exist. Or that people would be affected by this without experiencing this stuff firsthand.

"The real world doesn't have trigger warnings 🤡" ok Brendan mass unaliving happens in the real world, does that make it good?

I've seen a lot of Dahmer memes despite trying so hard to avoid this whole thing, and I found that to be disturbing. I hate that it exists but I think it's absolutely messed up to treat it like it's "just a show" when it's (dramatized) non-fiction.

They did this when takeoff, a rapper, died. His body was plastered all over Twitter. It was disturbing and I DID NOT want to see that. I the same thing happen to Kobe but that was the first time I was seeing it in real time. And It was mostly gossip outlets that was doing it.

Wow..I'm Ukrainian and didn't know this. Disguisting :/

@@Musinator95 I’m pretty sure it’s just a joke satirizing Netflix. The sad part is that it does seem plausible.

I'm training my Karenness for the day I'll be writing strong worded letters to Netflix (to anyone really) should this happen. And sadly I'm sure that some awful "romance during Bucha" will happen eventually.

@@m_shhh4596 and i will happily cheer you on

@@m_shhh4596 that "title" just made me physically cringe, i hate that this sounds entirely plausible...

Like where are they getting that from 😭😭😭

Ms Shannon Speare

shannon 😢

420th like, fr though Shannon is crazy

_flashbacks to art commentary_ I hope they don't think you're THAT Shannon

even reenacting deaths that actually happened… that’s so traumatic to victims loved ones /:

But how else are they supposed to tell the story in a way that would appeal to the watcher

@@justdabira6035 the answer is to not

@@racheIbane history doesn't work that way. You are supposed to learn from the case. And it helps to easily identify criminals at early stages.

@@racheIbane history doesn't work like that. We are supposed to learn from the case. It also helps for early analysis on who could be a potential criminal

It’s a lot easier to stumble upon when you go to general feeds, like trending pages. It’s very strange

i unfortunately have seen things like that in a small group chat with my brother and his friends. they added me because it’s funny memes. but then i go on one day and it’s literally a video of a girl who was famous on tiktok getting brutally murdered by her male friend. i had night terrors for years and still get them occasionally. other than that, i’ve only seen the occasional animal video on my feed (meme pages 😐) and i immediately reported and blocked the users.

same. i follow a some Weird Fucking People, but even they would never post an actual dead person

@@mintypatapeepee7106 I'm so sorry, that's horrible

@@mintypatapeepee7106 your brother needs serious therapy

Still on my watch list!!! I don’t know why I haven’t seen it yet 💀

@@Shanspeare Hope you’re able to watch it soon!

@@Shanspeare it’s so good and on peacock streaming if you have it

i was just thinking abt nope in regards to this topic!! that movie is ridiculously relevant especially nowadays. plus its just damn good horror in general

@@Shanspeare It's really good, you'll love it!

Wait what was it?? I swear I remember something like tha5

@@ayametheepic it was Law and Order (the episode was Legacy). While the crime wasn’t the exact same, it was still uncomfortably similar.

@@randomhuman_05 OH Thanks

@@randomhuman_05 special victims unit had sooooo much police sh*t and black death in 2020 and it was so uncalled for and so triggering

@@ambersmith2612 yeah. There’s a fine line between taking inspiration from actual cases and using major parts of cases/crimes because they’re what’s in the news/what everyone is talking about. Law and Order, unfortunately, crosses that line way too often.

Jesus, I'm so sorry. People have no shame.

It's one thing if it's the kid calling the adult their 'best friend', or they're close relatives, but yeah- usually a pretty big red flag.

sheesh, wow. To my knowledge, they relied heavily on research rather than first hand accounts from families (since no family replied when they allegedly reached out). It definitely makes me uncomfortable

Yes, the woman who made the speech is an older sister of one the victims, I cannot even imagine the pain she has to go through seeing the person who took her little brother's life glorified and his death made into entertainment as if he wasn't a person who lived. Very disgusting of them to use her words especially without consent.

Omg ikr. Right now I'm praying that warrior nun gets renewed for season 3 which it should cus apparently it has the highest audience ratings for a Netflix show ever (idk if this is deffo true tho didn't fully look into it). But yk I'm not hopeful since the main character is now in a WLW relationship. I want more of them tho they're so cute.

I really hate to see it too. The way hes only relevant in the first place because of that incident blows me away.

They say he has a ghostwriter at that.

I love women and Meg and I believe her,but I don't put shit passed anybody.

@@LadyAstarionAncunin checks out

Well said

Very well said🙏🏽

It's about as vapid as believing someone with clinical depression must be faking their illness if they ever look happy.

Victim looking..wow 😲🤯

I do think the genre has potential in helping those affected; i would love to see it pivot outside of “entertainment” to more informational, helpful way. but I also wonder how the general public-who have come to see it as entertainment-will take that shift. Will the genre be as impactful? Will people still take time to help families? It’s such a complex conversation beyond that.

she never said she was anti-true crime lol

As was said in the video, the genre of true crime does hold potential. A channel I watch that sometimes discusses past cases often provides a psychological, mental etc outlook and explanation for the cases (since many of them dealt with abuse, now that I think about it). Or in other words, the different cases would be used to discuss some narrative (i.e. what happens when two narcissist come together, the effects of past abuse etc etc). Many viewers usually found the videos comforting or validating in a way since the videos would come full circle to talk about an overarching theme (that may be more relatable, since not everyone experiences being involved in a “true crime case”).

@@Shanspeare Agreed. True crime has potential but often times it ends up being entertainment. Though I also understand that people have limited amount of energy to empathise with all kinds of stories. Some stories just hit different for a variety of reasons. Maybe the city the case took place is familiar? Maybe the listener/viewer knows someone who was affected by the case or even just a similar case? And so on. For me, an interesting example of true crime and it’s potential to influence real world in a positive way, comes from nearby. I live in Finland and happened to listen to a true crime podcast with my sister this summer. It was a new podcast by YLE (Finland’s national public service media company) and each episode dealt with a different case. The podcaster not only summarized the case but also interviewed a wide variety of people: experts on various topics, police, friends and families of the victims and so on. One of the cases dealt with the disappearance and murder of a 17 year old girl, Sari Liinaharja, in 1987. It’s a very well-known case here in Finland because the perpetrator was never caught. The podcaster, though, went and interviewed a man who had been a suspected to be the murderer. The man had been interviewed by police several times before but he had always denied of ever been in contact with the victim or having been driving in the area at the time of the disappearance/murder. On the podcast, though, he suddenly decided to tell - on tape - that he had been driving in the area. And he also said that they had offered a ride to a hitchhiker whom he thought was Sari Liinaharja. He didn’t admit to murdering her but blamed his friend - who had died a short while before the visit by the podcaster. Nonetheless, he ended up admitting that he knew about the murder a lot. After this exhange the police begun to interview the man again. He’s still not under arrest but he is under inspection. In Finland this sort of turn of events after such a long time is rare. If the prosecutor decides to press charges that would be the second longest time between the killing and actual pressing of the charges in Finnish criminal history. I only hope that Sari’s family have gained some hope after all of this. It must be incredibly painful to be in a situation where you surely would like to ”get closure” (for the lack of better word) yet also don’t want other people to forget because they need leads - even if it means new news articles and podcasts and so on. (The name of the podcast btw is ”Viimeinen johtolanka” or ”The Last Clue” if translated into English. Unfortunately it’s all in Finnish.)

@@sp.2778yeah it’s scary how folks will literally hear what they want 😅

Omg, i was traumatized by thirteen reasons why.

People keep looking at me weird when I mention I have PTSD from my dad constantly playing violent video games when I was alone with him a town over from my mom every weekend (divorced weekend dad sort of situation). It’s not crazy. It’s not. Thank you for spreading the word, friend!

Thats the reason i totally stop watching true crime. The feeling is like you know that thing is really bad to your mental health and you feel more and more traumatized but you can't stop watch it by curiosity (?) I felt like that for a very long time. Nowadays, i just can't watch properly a show or a documentary about it. My mental health was too much damaged bcuz of various true crimes videos i watched when i was younger. (I mean, it was like 1-2 years ago but it still! I can't watch it😐)

@@delilah.d9457 My therapist said the need for more information was the brain trying to find more information to solve a problem. But tragedies are tragic because they can't be solved. Also I was traumatized accidentally AFTER deleting my watch and search history in youtube but I accidentally watched a youtube short which has the most disturbing imagery of the event that should not be shared and that's the thing that haunts me. It was a mistake in the algorithn because I was watching Halloween content. But I learned not to blame the uploaders because their action is a trauma response. Trauma responses vary widely, but I can imagine most of the people sharing the content aren't actually desensitized. Like you said you watched too much true crime. I think people suffering online accidentally get people to share their suffering just because when you feel terrible mentally you do a lot of illogical things like uploading horrific material.

@@karakurie the brain trying to get more information! That's exactly it. That's how I went down a rabbit hole of reading about a disturbing event and thinking it's just shock value and if I read the real story it wouldn't be so bad. So I kept reading and the details haunted me so much I had to get therapy. So now I have to actively tell myself not to seek answers and sometimes not knowing is okay too. So glad that I came across your comment, it's very validating. I'm sorry you've felt the same, I know how awful it feels.

The “almost” in that last sentence is doing so much heavy lifting 😭😭😭

Thank you so much 🥹❤️

For some people, yes they have a strange obsession with such things to the point of having fetishes for murderers. But honestly it’s all about normal human curiosity at the end of the day. Regular people (in our developed countries) do not see such things at all. I think it’s ok if people have a curiosity for gore. I mean, don’t surgeons? You have to have something different mentally than the average person in order to look at organs on a living person, cut them open, and sew them back up and not have any reaction. There will always be people like that. And honestly, we need certain people to be desensitized in order for us to have helpful people like that in society. It all depends on what they’re doing mentally with that curiosity.

We are the same species who set up Colosseums in rome full of slaughter for kicks tbh honestly not even as long ago as we like to think

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Ah, hopefully they’re doing it in a way to draw support and eyes to the situation? That can be useful! I hope they aren’t doing it to exploit. 💔

@@Shanspeare I hope so . I’m probably thinking to deep about it ( I’m a sensitive person 😭) .

Seeing people being desensitized to real people’s experiences and the glorification of it is horrifying.

It's a real problem. FNAF, creepypastas, Happy Tree Friends- I've fallen prey to all of them and more far too early in my life to not be affected.

Literally, as if a real life crime case could be compared to horror movies like scream and IT.

It's drake ain't no way he killed anyone 😭😭 he just is obsessed with maintaining his masculinity which is why he invites little girls to party at his house and everyone in Toronto knows where he lives

I’m late but thank you for bringing this up. I was just talking to my brother in law about this.

Bro was a child actor in Degrassi his ass didnt kill anyone

yeah, it's gross seeing people just not care about this at all :(

I remember people talking about showing the images of the babies from Uvalde. A parent from Sandy Hook was against it because they made a point that those images couldn’t be handled with care once it was released to the public. The children would lose their respect.

You look like Shan? So y’all both gods favorites 🥲?

them drinking at the start made me almost click off lmao

sometimes I forget people know my name it’s usually just shan or shanspeare here ahahhahahaha

now bestie go do your homework 😭😭

Hahaha same I have to write an essay and it's due tomorrow And I'm watching this instead oops

Thank youuuuuuu 🎉❤

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Happy to have you hereeeeeee