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@NevadaGamingWedge3 жыл бұрын
remember everyone, The Enclave have only been seen on the East and West Coast's there's still bases in Detroit, and I'm more than certain the Colorado Cheyenne mountain ranges has an Enclave Base built in it.
@-innutendo-97123 жыл бұрын
But fallout tactics is still Broad Strokes canon to bethesda, so i doubt Cheyenne mountain has the enclave in it
@brucculi3493 жыл бұрын
It's confirmed there's one in Chicago. Plus, we know that the Enclave supposedly has endless resources. I think it's safe to say that Appalachia won't be the last place we see the Enclave.
@dragonfell50782 жыл бұрын
>Enclave in Detroit How are they still alive
@thatamericanloser28332 жыл бұрын
@@dragonfell5078 We popping caps in mfs before they can fight back
@theenclave98712 жыл бұрын
Nice
@DJ-kp7mf3 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact if you play Fallout 2 with the restoration project. ( it adds and finishes cut content from the original game) There's a log entry on one of the computers at the oil rig from Augustus Autumn senior, the father of Colonel Autumn the main antagonist of Fallout 3. Basically saying that he disagreed with the FEV extermination project. And in the official Fallout 3 game guide it says as such. " Colonel Autumn has proven to be far less subservient than his scientist father, often openly disagreeing with the president's decisions" This combined with the fact that Colonel Autumn wasn't the one who wanted to add the FEV to project purity. But instead John Henry Eden. Actually through one of the dialog options you can have with President Eden, it's flat-out tells you Colonel autumn thought that President Eden's methods were much too extreme. Colonel autumns only objective by obtaining project Purity was to obtain a way to Leverage The Local population under his control. Honestly I find it kind of sad that people don't realize this. Because so many people seem to be under the misconception that The Enclave in Fallout 3 where genocidal maniacs, when instead they're actually militaristic authoritarians hell-bent on restoring order and stability. Most definitely not good guys but much more morally Gray and nuanced.
@xboxseriesxoverlord3 жыл бұрын
People crave law, order, and safety. The Enclave have the resources to give the wasteland those and to eliminate any and all raiders. The true enemies of the wasteland will always be raiders.
@zeche84773 жыл бұрын
Siding with Autumn in 3 honestly would’ve been preferable to the Lyons chapter. Assuming Autumn really did want to build a nation, and not genocide wastelanders, he would’ve been much more effective and proactive against threats to the people of the capital than Lyons and his bleeding heart.
@Regularguy2203 жыл бұрын
Now the problem is, fallout 3 never shows this to you in a meaningful way, you cant join him, he never tells you what he believes and most importantly its hard to see that he may have good intentions when he acts like a cartoonishly evil psychopath throughout all your interactions with him
@rifleshooterchannel2083 жыл бұрын
I read that last sentence as _morally Gary_ 😂
@Thagomizer3 жыл бұрын
@@Regularguy220 Fallout 3 is so poorly written.
@The-Enclave3 жыл бұрын
I don't belive that organization like Enclave which was able to build hundred vaults had only few military facilites. Why would they literally build vault for single person but not build facilities for Enclave armed forces? There had to be Enclave core forces stationed in some military facility. After all you can't rebuild anything without safety from outside elements.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
I guess the reasoning for why the Enclave only had a few vaults is that they're a secret organization. They should still have facilities in the double digits though, and they should have command over any military or government facilities. Speaking of vaults and military facilities, I have no doubt that there are many vaults or bunkers reserved exclusively for the armed forces. We should be running into them in fallout 76 soon with expeditions, if one of my earlier videos is correct, then the random encounter soldiers are from these vaults.
@Chosen_Ash2 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative they would propably have a hundred if not 2 with 100,000 personal casue 100,000 people when you have 400 million isnt a lot
@rayo56382 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the enclave supposed to be formed based on the most corrupt faction of the U.S. government?
@Chosen_Ash2 жыл бұрын
@@rayo5638 the us government isn’t that bad other than biden and Obama and also it’s a different universe
@rayo56382 жыл бұрын
@@Chosen_Ash I don't know what that has to do with what I said. But, wasn't it assumed that the enclave was not the same as the U.S. government? Because not all of the U.S. government was inside the enclave.
@brandonmireles32493 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a Fallout game when the Enclave is shown in a position of light but it's never going to happen the Enclave is honestly doomed
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Eh, Fallout 76's base game story shows some parts of the Enclave as "good". The Enclave is bound to be fleshed out eventually.
@archdornan83493 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative but then again nobody takes 76 seriously
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@archdornan8349 I do :'(
@creatorsfreedom67343 жыл бұрын
Old world blue's- enclave reborn
@someguy92933 жыл бұрын
If a Hearts of Iron 4 mod called "Old World Blues, and Enclave reborn" mods are to be considered Canon. Then the Enclave are divided into 2 political factions. The 'Purists' who want to finish what the original mission, and kill anyone who isn't pure human. And the 'Reformists' who want to reestablish the United States Government to what it was before the Great War. Again if you consider this canon then there is a glimmer of hope for the Enclave. Personally, I consider this Canon. Since I love the Enclave, and would want to learn more about the organization, and it's founding. I hope that a future Fallout game would have an joinable Enclave faction, or a splitter faction that I could join. Maybe, Fallout 5: Chicago? Detroit? Or Cleveland? He're hoping any way.
@kobra66603 жыл бұрын
The enclave need better communication dn just one leader instead of being spread out and having multiple chain of commands that's why they've been having problems
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
If they weren't spread out, they would have communication, but then the only Enclave would be those traitors on the rig. I would rather the Enclave be spread out and only have a small chance of each installation surviving than there being only one place to find them.
@SavathunSussyImpostor3 жыл бұрын
I bet the Enclave hiding in space are still gathering forces, training born members, and getting ready to return to the wastes when the planet is more habitable.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Lazy bastards, how about they hurry the hell up and get down here.
@aimp2273 жыл бұрын
And in Chicago
@Dino10Boy3 жыл бұрын
Could also be hiding in one of those bunkers in Kansas cause there are a ton of those
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@Dino10Boy Dogmeat, I have a feeling we're in Kansas. I hate Kansas.
@komiks423 жыл бұрын
@@Dino10Boy Or some shitty island on ocean. We will have no clue if ther is some big base that is simply to far to know about it
@jitgaming96333 жыл бұрын
ive actually had a theor that the enclave that we seen are indeed traitors, and main command and other military assets are located inisolated areas in canda or somewhere else
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Like Mount Weather?
@mr.k4183 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative that would be a good place.
@ShubaSayori3 жыл бұрын
Somewhere else is definitely space
@gae_wead_dad_69143 жыл бұрын
"They followed Henry Eden" and that's where you are absolutely wrong. They followed Eden up until a certain point, where Eden decided to infect the water with FEV - Autumn mutinied. The Enclave in F3 under Autumn just want to control the water to enforce their rule
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
They still followed Eden for thirty years, and in the end, he had damned them, by the point of the mutiny they were already doomed.
@someguy9293 Жыл бұрын
Eden does mention the Soldiers and Scientists do have free well and vote accordingly. I doubt though they voted for Eden or they simply don't care. But they mutiny against him in FO3 regardless.
@JohnTrustworthy3 жыл бұрын
What if we make a mod where several Enclave bunkers formed their own republic of bunkers, or bases or whatever in the mod style of Fallout New California? We can even call it "Fallout New America". And then we develop the mod for up to 5 years and then we fill it with furry porn on release.
@garrett15083 жыл бұрын
You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
@maxmccullough85483 жыл бұрын
Only if by furry porn you mean one of the bunkers solved the catgirl problem.
@masterpengin58023 жыл бұрын
Sounds good to me
@JohnTrustworthy3 жыл бұрын
@@maxmccullough8548 it was all a joke about the frontier mod about sunken effort to be tanked by a few degenerates. But after reading your comment I think an FEV using exclave from the enclave can be made.
@vincegalila72113 жыл бұрын
@@JohnTrustworthy I'd say that the Frontier was also tanked by it's scripter who while absurdly good at messing with the Fallout 3 engine was never a very good writer taking over the entire NCR questline. It's rarely ever just one problem with these sort of things.
@szymonbollin50743 жыл бұрын
"EnClAvE iS oBjEcTiVlY eViL" - Fallout frontier devs
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Inaccurate, they wouldn't give them the courtesy of being objectively anything.
@szymonbollin50743 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative your right
@leviathantb40143 жыл бұрын
They are by most standards evil, just not inhumanly so The frontier devs' mistake was thinking that role playing as an evil faction made you an evil person in real life
@szymonbollin50743 жыл бұрын
@@leviathantb4014 the devs call Enclave fans nazis and shit
@jacobchevalier19093 жыл бұрын
@@szymonbollin5074 imagine comparing the Enclave who are a bunch of dudes that just want to restore the world to what it was before by any means necessary to Nazis a bunch of guys who liked to go around killing people who were different to them for no apparent reason. Sounds pretty cringe to me.
@penguinsrockrgr8yt2163 жыл бұрын
Again we need the enclave to be shown as a morally gray faction
@theenclave62913 жыл бұрын
You break my heart soldier.
@NorthwoodsArsenal3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel in my recommendations by chance, now I know what I'm gonna watch for the next few hours
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Should have a vid out in the next few hours, so there's something else too.
@reaverfang377 Жыл бұрын
Well if Fallout Lore was to have more sensible leadership for Enclave, I imagine they operate by proxies, such as Old World parties in NCR, with subversive influence over the institute. Ensuring they rarely lose their own numbers. It's also possible that High Command went the opposite direction, and they're using Followers, Lyons and minutemen, and shit like that to quietly reform new countries with the hope of one day uniting them in a new union. I feel that it'd probably be wise to keep them off-screen for the most part but have them be present. Unlike with the institute which advertised its presence with every move it made.
@user-cz2cg6sr5d2 жыл бұрын
Enclave: A ghost of America.
@bfmtrooper54543 жыл бұрын
You defiantly deserve more subscribers and such.
@Goldcat18503 жыл бұрын
So what your saying is fallout 2s enclave wanted to pull a Germany in WW2 but with literally everyone that wasn't there own? That's... mortifying
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is pretty cringe.
@giftenjoyer36643 жыл бұрын
Just because you want some living space doesn't mean you want to genocide all other races.
@szymonbollin50743 жыл бұрын
@@giftenjoyer3664 Yes you want to breed some slave races for free labor
@PhunkMaster-VivatChristusRex3 жыл бұрын
@@szymonbollin5074 projection
@szymonbollin50743 жыл бұрын
@@PhunkMaster-VivatChristusRex lol
@cnlbenmc3 жыл бұрын
John Henrey Eden words at least may have been right; Our Leaders Failed us.
@janwhite38773 жыл бұрын
"eNclAve oBJecTivElY bAd fAsCIsM bAd" - soyboy, the redditor
@-CrimsoN-3 жыл бұрын
I piss on Hitlers grave. bitch
@seamy89593 жыл бұрын
"No! Fascist paramilitary organisations are only fun when the BoS do it!" - Soyjack
@donaldtrump112inc.23 жыл бұрын
I’m a really big Enclave Fan, now hear me out, we all know the Enclave needed a good base, so we know that fallout 4 had a dlc called “Vault-Tec dlc” now this is how I figure it out. The Creation club items The Enclave paint jobs for Weapons and armor, And the Enclave X0-2 And X0-3 Power Armors. Let’s say that the creation club items are part of the lore of the fallout 4 story - Player finds the X0-2 in the Boston police rationing side underground left there from a Enclave officer Remnant, and the player finds schematics for Enclave paint jobs for guns and armor and player Restores President Eden’s Enclave Radio. So player can start recruiting people for the Enclave who come to live in Vault 88, so think of it, is that a possibility?
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Bethesda's never seems to confirm whether creation club content is canon or not, but them incorporating that and vault tec workshop into full canon seems unlikely. The most likely option will be Bethesda creating a new Enclave bunker wherever they want the Enclave to be, and we're not going back to Boston anytime soon.
@Thagomizer3 жыл бұрын
It's only the Fallout fans who were introduced to this series from FO3 onward who think the Enclave from FO2 aren't representative.
@Galahad_Du_Lac3 жыл бұрын
Regardless of how they were characterized in 2 there’s clearly something more to them.
@Jaeger_Bishop3 жыл бұрын
Hay can we have a Fallout where The Enclave are doing what the organization was ment to do? That is to say, not be the over the top villains and instead be trying to rebuild civilization. It's not like every Enclave cell knows what the others are/were doing so having one NOT made up of sociopaths with delusions of grandeur, is less of a fantasy and more like that cell discovering to their horror, "Oh wow..yeah we're sorry you ran into those lunatics but that was NOT the plan" Maybe even have an Enclave civil War where the sane Enclave have to fight off the warmongers.
@krashface48703 жыл бұрын
Maybe a 3 way civil war. One side want to remake america from the ashes, reborn like a phoenix and fix what made America fall, even build a stronger civilization (they still will hunt down mutants, ghouls and such, but maybe been less triggerhappy and grant reserves in a similar way of today's natives condition and use them for when they need informations over places, structures or need to retrive stuff from highly irradiated places). The other could be the triggerhappy xenophobic ruthless warmongers wanting America for the Enclave, and even there divided between those who want to use Richardson's/Eden's FEV plan or those who are happy to take their time and be sure to exterminate everything. The third way would be a neutral/status quo faction, which would likely keep their low profile for as much time as possible, as they plan to wait and see how much it will take before the wasteland become devoided of all life, and meanwhile may search for Vaults to raid and take all GEKCs they can. Hell, they would probably be a "ghost" faction: everyone heard of them, everyone know them, but no one has seen a single.member and thing is just some voices to scare recruits.
@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite17473 жыл бұрын
Krash face I had an idea for a couple factions like this where a few military bases in near proximity of each other lost Contact with the main part of the enclave but overtime established communication with one another and formed a sort of United Nations style alliance with one another supporting each other but not joining up in one giant base but there’d be a conflict between two of the bases that are the most distant from the others in the collective where one had reestablished connection with the enclave back in cali and then becomes a mini version of that enclave being totally fascist and imperialistic and while not as brutal as the west coast enclave still discriminate against outsiders seeing them as mere tools whilst the other one hadn’t established communication with the other bases Bc they were told not to so they could conduct their vault experiments in the base which was to test the spread of political beliefs by mixing in normal people with no extreme beliefs making up the majority with extremists in all political views and there would be a vote held after a few years to see the most liked ideological belief and the winner would be used to help establish a new government around that ideology to help resettle the wasteland. This election would be rigged though where In case communism was the most popular among the population then the overseer would then report it to the commander of the base which would then cause him to send troops to kill those supporters and the next runner up would be chosen. Despite this though communism would come out on top in the vault(I don’t feel like going into detail though) and the overseer was in on it to prevent it’s stopping and eventually they were able to overthrow the commander of the base and be In control of the soldiers and establish a faction based off of communism but more closely aligned to Karl Marxs original idea as opposed to other communist dictatorships like Stalin’s also being imperialistic but this faction expands peacefully and helps and educates outsiders. These two based once communication is established would threaten to go to war with each other which the other bases don’t try and get involved simply just trying to calm down each side. This is Bc they’re just too scared to support one over the other as they don’t want to start a war as they think it’ll be too costly due to each other’s power and they also don’t want to eliminate both seeing that I’d be even harder to fight both of them off
@-CrimsoN-3 жыл бұрын
No? The Enclave were always meant to be villains in the same way that Fallout has been a criticism of American exceptionalism.
@krashface48703 жыл бұрын
@@-CrimsoN- that's true, ngl.
@ncrtrooper87862 жыл бұрын
That's kinda what the brotherhood of steel is
@TheCrystonian3 жыл бұрын
I love this guy, he has about the same thoughts, better researched of course, I have about the Enclave.
@terribleduelist44333 жыл бұрын
people who think the enclave are fascist don't know what fascism is
@highc24283 жыл бұрын
It seems the more i look into it the computers have a higher intent on bringing back order compared to the human components which thrive on the existence of a form of higher order making clicks and hegemonic rule. Example Autum to Eden Fallout 76 fallout...
@cnlbenmc3 жыл бұрын
This is why i love the Reformists tree for the Enclave Reborn Subod in Hoi4 Old World Blues mod; it what the Enclave should have been.
@timyuusis33722 жыл бұрын
Wheres a Douglas Granite I can vote for now
@xboxseriesxoverlord3 жыл бұрын
Make sparing Autumn canon.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
It's not not canon.
@staringgasmask3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative I see what you did there, and you're a genius
@zeche84773 жыл бұрын
c0da makes it canon
@man.inblack Жыл бұрын
Find your rhythm man. I’ll find your work when I need it most. Keep goin.
@AmericanUnionState18243 жыл бұрын
God bless Colonel Autumn, a great American.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@crayonchomper11802 жыл бұрын
an originalist Enclave detachment located in Texas, specifically at Lackland Air Force Base, would be in a fantastic position to begin rebuilding and recruitment efforts due to it being located inside the city of San Antonio and would make a good basis for the story of a future Fallout title
@THE.Troublesome3 жыл бұрын
Wait what’s wrong with being Facist and Genocidal? That’s the most based combination ever!
@seamusfinnegan11643 жыл бұрын
Something ive often thought about and hope you explore is the vast genetics capabilities of the fallout universe and why the Enclave should use it to eliminate the troublesome aspects of mutations through careful adjustments as while slow and possibly resource intensive it would be a different means of purifying the wasteland and I think would be a viable change for the enclave to adapt to its repeated failures in the future while still keeping them as villains as this process would certainly not work on those far too heavily mutated to really make some adjustments with like ghouls or immensely mutated wastelanders and as a result still keep the general xenophobic nature of the Enclave but also allow them to actually properly begin to grow and adapt and rebuild a proper nation again somewhere in the wastes in there own way and allowa fundamental change away from Enclave survivors to being able to bring in others and possibly even incorporate beneficial mutations into the military like the healing from radiation the church of atom has and allow the Enclave to far more easily target heavily irradiated areas for salvage and to wipe out dangerous super mutants and feral ghouls.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Fallout 2's Enclave was completely against all mutation and would only accept "pure humans", while Fallout's 76's Enclave did experiment with desirable mutations, all of the obtainable mutations in Fallout 76 were created by the Enclave. As for Fallout 3's Enclave, they seem to recruit wastelanders, so they've dropped the xenophobic ideology towards everyone, but they most likely wouldn't want to alter the human genome any further.
@seamusfinnegan11643 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative Id argue that Fallout 3s Enclave is still very purist and that the recruitment of outsiders seen in it is not so diffrent from fallout 2 whose Enclave was willing to use wastelanders when useful such as that one New Reno Crime Family and Frank Horrigan who was a flat out super mutant, loyal pawn or not if they were not willing to stretch such at least in some sense already such would not exist even if they plan to backstab such later. As such the outsiders in Fallout 3 could very easily be in a similar position of just being useful for now. Especially since the Enclave seems to like to think in the long term so outsider auxiliaries could easily be dead by the time the Enclave implements any grand plan. Another factor is that Autumn is still a Colonel not a General you would think he would be promoted if there was no one above him and thus Autumns own views and plans are not a good indicator for the Enclaves leadership as a whole without more information.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@seamusfinnegan1164 The justification for dealing with the reno crime families was, the Enclave needed the chemicals they had, and the Enclave didn't care if the weapons they traded were used to kill more mutants, I guess in the end the Enclave would reclaim them anyway if their plan worked. As for Horrigan, he was born into the Enclave, and since he's a supermutant thing, he's sterile, so no reproducing. He's described as being extremely loyal, so he's an exception. In Fallout three, it's likely that much of the Enclave's military is made up of outsiders, pointing towards the Enclave having a more relaxed approach to recruitment. My next video happens to relate to colonel Autumn only being a colonel as well.
@seamusfinnegan11643 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative There is no strong evidence im aware of to point towards the idea of widespread outsider recruitment but I may be wrong in that regard. And while yes there is justifications for the bending of true purity that is still bending things. That beings said the idea of genetic adjustments does not proclude the wastelander recruitment as it could be simply something to remove the health issues various mutations would bring while also still serve to showcase the Enclaves ideals of a pure human genome as they try to fix the mutated wastelanders as best as possible in this outsider friendly Enclave. Also you still see Enclave pretty heavily still if you side with them in Fallout 3 if they were outsiders they would die from the FEV virus in the water.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@seamusfinnegan1164 There's too much we simply don't know to actually have a conclusion, the only thing I can add is; maybe the reason Autumn was so against using the FEV was because much of the Enclave was made up of outsiders.
@Bluesonofman3 жыл бұрын
I really want to see the East Coast Brotherhood, the Enclave and the Minutemen unite
@krashface48703 жыл бұрын
Essentialy, the BoS would be the guys with old tech to research and deploy, the Enclave the ones with the updated tech realized with said BoS collection and the MM been... what? The Meat Shields or Propaganda?
@Galahad_Du_Lac3 жыл бұрын
@@krashface4870 Definitely propaganda. They’re a group of proud Americans trying to live up to the ideals of the Old World. It’s just too perfect.
@mayday911us3 жыл бұрын
What most people don’t realize there is Continuity of government (COG) For extinction level event or catastrophic event such as nuclear war. This world is definitely different then are world but was the enclave before the war or after. Vultec was in twined with the government.
@shepheard163 жыл бұрын
You won’t stop us.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Bastard, I'll find you sooner or later.
@shepheard163 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative Godbless the enclave!
@xboxseriesxoverlord3 жыл бұрын
Oh look it's the crazy leader that fucked up Appalachia, thanks for killing everyone with the scorched plague.
@shepheard163 жыл бұрын
@@xboxseriesxoverlord lol oops 😬
@penguinsrockrgr8yt2163 жыл бұрын
@@shepheard16 @The Omega Initiative Enclave Civil War let’s go
@colewilson32263 жыл бұрын
Do you think the Enclave is ultimately good for the wasteland? Because I believe Augustus Autumns and to a further extent Ellen Santiago. Are there any other "good enclave" because I am arguing with my friend who loves the BOS and I want to find multiple reasons on why the enclave is the best thing and the right thing for the wasteland plz help
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
You can find plenty of examples of "good" Enclave members, like the remnants, Enclave control company and the roughly 150 people who stood against Eckhart continuing the war on china. There's not really any more leaders though, The Enclave is only in three fallout games. The Brotherhood is worse than the Enclave in most games, in Fallout 2 the Enclave is pretty evil, but at least there's the excuse if them being traitors. In every Fallout game the Brotherhood are just cowards who sit in their bunkers hoarding the technology they confiscate from wastelanders. The only "good" Brotherhood chapters are the ones in Fallout 3 and Tactics, yet they were both splinters of the main Brotherhood ideology. Fallout 3's Brotherhood is the most moral of all of them, however they're extremely ineffective. After the defeat the Enclave only with the help of the lone wanderer and liberty prime, they attempt to do exactly what the Enclave was (spreading the fresh water from the purifier around the wasteland). However the Brotherhood is extremely bad at it, they can't transport very many or very fast, the caravans of aqua pura are also often robbed. This Brotherhood is shown as being completely useless and by Fallout 4, the Brotherhood is in no way better than the Enclave.
@colewilson32263 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative I have been binging your videos could you possibly do a lore video on both enclave bases in 76 and piecing together the events bc I have been digging around looking for everything (but no one else has done a video like that)
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@colewilson3226 Sorry, I don't know what you mean exactly. I'd be happy to make a video about any topic, I'm guessing you mean; talk about the events that led to the occupants of both bases dying, but I would need more clarification on what exactly you're referring to.
@colewilson32263 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative I mean making a video on the White springs bunker and the events that happened within the bunker (with the audio recordings) and also talking about the events that happened at Transmission Station 1AT-U03. Pretty much making a video about everything Enclave within Appalachia whilst also doing a deep dive into main enclave characters aka Sodus, Modus, Eckhart, Santiago and etc.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@colewilson3226 I'm currently writing a video about Santiago, but to do everything is a little too much I think. It would probably be better to just listen to all the recordings. I could do it, I'm just not sure where to start, would I play out all the recordings, or just go over the important stuff? Either way, I'll stop writing the Santiago video while I think about it.
@mfspectacular3 жыл бұрын
You could consider the enclave's plan for genocide them acting out pre-war plans. Our own govt (in the us) signed onto un agreements where uh... eugenics, are eluded to (agenda21, 1991). Fallout's timeline splitting around 1960 doesnt indicate to me much really changes. I doubt what im saying was thought of by the writers during development but that's what i take away from it- tho lonesome road eludes to a lot of interesting (to say the least) sht you wont hear in day to day life, so that assumption in itself could be wrong lol
@I.K.E.L.O.S3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty new to fallout and I've been just getting into the lore but didn't the enclave work with vault tec to allow the unethical experiments? Weren't they the ones who also committed experiments on people to create super mutants? Which led to those soldiers leaving the military to become the brotherhood. I definitely could be wrong as I'm very very new to the fallout universe and I'm just learning from other lore videos but at least to me that makes them seem pretty evil and messed up.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
The Enclave didn't exactly work with vault tec. Vault tec was contracted by the pre-war government to create the vaults (most of which were social experiments). The Enclave is the remnant of the pre-war government, so they had access to all the vaults. There was still secrets each side withheld from the other. The pre-war government also was trying to create supers soldiers with the virus that turns people into supermutants, and the soldiers who witnessed this at the Mariposa military base would become the Brotherhood of steel. You'll learn fast that the Fallout world can be pretty messed up.
@I.K.E.L.O.S3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative thanks for clarifying that up. Yeah the fallout universe is really messed up but I guess that's expected for a post nuclear world. I've gotten interested in the BoS and the Enclave and I'm trying to learn more about both factions since they both are the high tech groups. I'm curious why so many people love the enclave so much but to me it seems that they are the type of faction who would disregard their lower ranking members and kill them off whenever convenient. From what I've seen at least it seems it's mostly corrupt politicians who just want to stay in power. But I do think it's cool they have cool tech. I did enjoy the enclave missions in fallout 76. I've been watching a lot of your videos so I look forward to learn more about the enclave and why it seems like so many fallout players want to join them
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@I.K.E.L.O.S No worries, the Enclave lore can go pretty deep, so you might not understand everything about the faction. But you'll get there eventually, and my next video should help a great deal, probably more than any others will for a while.
@Arguingpit933 жыл бұрын
Well, the new DLC of FO76 explain the real objetive of the FEV and the goals of the companies like Vault Tec, West Tec and, without direct mention, the Enclave. Spoiler, it was not intended to create supermutants.
@thatoneguy4233 жыл бұрын
God what I wouldn't give to hear the philosophy behind the Enclave's humanoid genocide.
@joshbigz84403 жыл бұрын
When I played fallout 2 I really did not understand why the Enclave wants to kill anyone with a slight taint of genetic mutation. I think that the realistic and believable goal would be to kill all the far gone mutants like ghouls and force a gene therapy program on everyone that can be reverted to pre war humanity.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
They certainly wanted to kill all mutated people, but they would also kill every pure human other than themselves, at that point it's just unbelievably evil.
@-CrimsoN-3 жыл бұрын
Why did Hitler want to murder everyone who wasn't as he considered "Aryan". People do stupid shit under a warped view of the "greater good" .
@frankhorriganfromfallout22 жыл бұрын
@@-CrimsoN- it’s a game.
@-CrimsoN-2 жыл бұрын
@@frankhorriganfromfallout2 Its a game with historical commentary.
@bigboi78173 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see an Enclave start. Some shitty little vault/outpost gets rolled by BoS or NCR and you're the only survivor. Gotta navigate the wasteland as a grunt who didnt know shit about the past atrocities but is pulled into the war out of revenge.
@EnclaveSgt3 жыл бұрын
Why does it always have to be a vault.. I'm sick of seeing my characters start as vault dwellers. They need something more original
@bigboi78173 жыл бұрын
@@EnclaveSgt US army remnants trying to make it back to america
@Galahad_Du_Lac3 жыл бұрын
@@bigboi7817 It would be cool to have the MC be the descendant of soldiers in China returning to find his homeland in ruins.
@generalawing3 жыл бұрын
In America rising tale of Enclave. The FEV is modified so that kills ghouls but only destroys the mutations in humans leaving them available for recruitment. And that’s something I’m ok with. What do you think?
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Of course that's fine, by no means would that not be acceptable, the problem comes from whether that be possible.
@Galahad_Du_Lac3 жыл бұрын
I would only be worried about still sentient ghouls.
@jacob4143 жыл бұрын
Do you support a “good” Enclave and the rebuilding of America? Which side do you support in the Sino American war?
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Yes I do support a good Enclave. I think the idea is, that both sides are terrible, but I would have to go with America.
@jacob4143 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative America shall be rebuilt, there are still remnants fighting
@someguy92933 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a Good Enclave, and America all the way! Screw Commie China!
@Galahad_Du_Lac3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative To be fair China instigated the war over something they really had no right to (the US’ oil supply) so I would say that the US was in the right.
@spiixo44263 жыл бұрын
SEMPER FI!
@arcanegamer2723 Жыл бұрын
also doesnt America in the fallout universe also have Canada and thus the Canadian military bunkers
@netorodriguez61922 жыл бұрын
Enclave are no different than the BoS they horde tech and only they can use it. And aren't afraid to kill for the tech aswell.
@HM-zk6rb2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!
@jonathanfrank11892 жыл бұрын
Is nobody considering the hordes of bases in Colorado or NORAD?
@TheOmegaInitiative2 жыл бұрын
If Fallout tactics is to be taken as canon, then Cheyenne mountain is vault 0 and it's home to the calculator. If we're just going off Fallout 2, in the poseidonet, NORAD is listed as "offline" that may not necessarily mean Cheyenne mountain is destroyed, it might also just mean the Enclave's connection to NORAD is offline, either way, you can see why there's not much discussion on the topic.
@unclesam52302 жыл бұрын
I FOUND SOME COMMIES
@MaverickE3 жыл бұрын
So I found your content only recently and I’ve grown to really like it, but I was wondering if I could make a suggestion?
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
You're always to welcome to suggest anything.
@MaverickE3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative please don’t take this the wrong way, but I think it would improve your content if you talk a little faster. The tone is good but I think the pacing could be improved
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@MaverickE I am kinda sick of people saying that, it's more complicated than just talking faster, it's a skill that develops over time. Compare my older videos to my newer ones, you'll see significant improvement. Since I made this video I've improved even further.
@MaverickE3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative I didn’t mean to offend and there is improvement from your older work but this was something I noticed. Anyways I just saw your recent video and I thought it was a better improvement than the one you released two weeks prior, so good job on producing the content!
@JoshuaKevinPerry3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative It was valid criticism. Maybe write scripts? either way. If someone is willing to write a comment, on a smaller channel, then they might be providing insight in how to get better.
@Jan-jc4rx3 жыл бұрын
We need Colonel Autumn back!
@bluesnake17132 жыл бұрын
So there had been "two" Enclave organizations?
@tusk_62183 жыл бұрын
Best enclave is a traitor 😭😭😭
@adolfgaming17613 жыл бұрын
They are not Fascists
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Which ones?
@robertsmalls22933 жыл бұрын
Even if they are I wouldn’t care. Caesar’s Legion is Fascist, and they have their good & bad aspects. The Enclave should be presented in a better light in a future Fallout game. Preferably as a joinable faction, maybe the actions of the player could steer them in either a more radical direction like Fallout 2, or a more humanitarian direction like Autumn’s Enclave in Fallout 3.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@robertsmalls2293 First time I've seen anyone call the Enclave humanitarian.
@robertsmalls22933 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative Well, they are comparatively humanitarian. Autumn had a more reasonable goal.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@robertsmalls2293 I'm fine with being described as a "fascist paramilitary organization" thankyou very much. Humanitarianism doesn't give the right idea, especially compared to factions like the follower of the apocalypse.
@silent_stalker36872 жыл бұрын
Did fallout 76 fix the Enclave?
@paulmccartney19823 жыл бұрын
I like what you're saying but I hate the way you say it, speak faster perhaps
@lupintyreman89182 жыл бұрын
no there the good guys
@VossMarionette2 жыл бұрын
I never knew the Enclave had so many defenders. I mean let us use some logic here. The Enclave is the remains of the US government, yes. Was the fallout universe US government a force for good, hell no. Doing stuff like making the FEV as well as all these messed up social experiments is proof that the enclave was never “the good guys”. Im not saying China was any better, in fact they are just as much to blame for the nukes and warfare, but the Brotherhood of Steel brought up a decent point, that corporate greed is what brought forth the destruction of everything. Over consumption of resources, the use of hazardous materials that are banned in our universe (asbestos, and probably DDT). I mean Fallout is literally a continuation of the 60s mindset and outlook, just in the future. So no, the Enclave are not the good guys, they will never be good. America will be ruled by the people for the people. If its the NCR, the Minutemen, or the East BoS Outcasts who actively protect and recruit from the common folk.
@-_-president-_-richardson-97052 жыл бұрын
Nah.The enclave in fallout 2 is the best one
@thetaxman33863 жыл бұрын
Sadly I think hes right😔
@dillonklasse49803 жыл бұрын
A bit of a theory video topic but could it be possible that between fallout 3 & 4 the brotherhood was infuriated by the enclave acting as wasteland recruits? That could explain Arthur Maxim’s extremist pro-human ideology, they could have worked their way in subtly manipulated his world view and in essence reformed the enclave in every way but in name. This explains why the brotherhood has such an extreme shift in methods and ideology.
@magicman31633 жыл бұрын
Fascism is when strict democracy
@yomanh3 жыл бұрын
I love how the Enclave, the remnants of the US government decided to use Eminem’s logo as their branding
@magnusx86152 жыл бұрын
People needs to understand that in real life, if you were a vault survivor/enclave citizen you would approved what the Enclave did. Like Eden said "you are the Enclave, your sister, your family". If in real life would happen something like the great war in fallout, you would join them without even thinking about it. Them or the Brotherhood, trying to purge mutants and ghouls and reestabilish a old world. With the NCR, I would probably chose them...or the Brotherhood.
@TheOmegaInitiative2 жыл бұрын
The actual Enclave, yes. But in this case when I'm talking about high command, they really didn't give a shit about the vaults or the Enclave.
@v.k.rt.m.60302 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative so wait, the High Command isn't even The Enclave?
@fawful74572 жыл бұрын
If the enclave had a presence in the Mojave. They would drive the NCR and Legion out by brutal means. The Brotherhood killed as well as Veronica.
@Zelkata2 жыл бұрын
I've always supported the Enclave's idea in FO2 as one daring woman said "Wipe the slate clean and begin again"
@GothaBillsAndDeath3 жыл бұрын
TL;DR: Your trying to retcon the Enclave's original foundations to suit your narrative of what they should be for fans of that faction. To define a faction as "good" or "bad" is reductionist, F1/F2/F:NV proved that much. It's like the Dave Chapelle joke where he explained why if you wear a police uniform, people might think your police. You might not claim to be a prostitute, but your wearing the uniform of one. And, the Enclave might not outright claim to be a fascist paramilitary organization, but F2 definitely presented traits of them through the writing.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
I'm basing this idea off of current Fallout lore, maybe the oil rig group weren't originally traitors, but Bethesda bought the Fallout ip and they added new lore. I literally always say that factions in a Fallout game should be able to be seen as good or bad and which ever way they are perceived, they should always have at least some qualities of the other. Fallout's 2's Enclave however, is just comically evil. I would accept if they wanted to kill all mutated humans, you could at least make the argument that they're trying to "save humanity". But killing literally everyone, mutated or not, even the people who would be part of your organization i.e. every Enclave group that isn't the oil rig group, is just dumb.
@vanstarate3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative The idea of killing non-FEV infected people is that they are just stock for experiments, nothing else. It really shows how the goverment operated before the war. Enclave is not just evil spooky guy faction, its the Old World raising it's ugly head.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@vanstarate Not all uninfected people would be stick though. There were many control vaults, and there were bound to be other Enclave bases still scattered around the world.
@vanstarate3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative In FO2 it is implied that there is no other Enclave bases, and all of Enclave is on the oil rig and Navarro. And control vaults? They know where they are, it would be all clear signal and just another massacre like in Vault 13.
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@vanstarate It's seems most people got the idea there were more Enclave bases from the map in the oil rig. I don't know where it implies they're the only bases. Sure it's stated in the fallout bible that most of those lights on the map are probably just there for ambience, but it also then says the Enclave retreated all round the globe months before the war.
@thedonutmanmusic38973 жыл бұрын
Not based
@silent_stalker36872 жыл бұрын
Honest Fallout 2 just seems bad to me in so many ways as a main story antagonist wise, a huge let down Fallout 1 unity (master and LT) Have easy to bump into goals Reasonable benefits- strengths, smarts, immune to radiation. Split into two groups- master and the LT, keeping info from each other to a degree Can side with them, apparently even after destroying one of their leaders Get about 2-3 years of time total Fallout 2 (President and Frank) Iffy logic, scientists seem weak or dumb, just makes sense if the FEV released caused much issues with the DNA President’s dialogue is literally about of universe reference and jabs at one guy with trouble speaking- adds nothing to the series and is confusing if you even listen to it. Frank: lobotomized, cyborg, indoctrinated, general average grunt… Gee, easy to hate or dislike villain… not a conversation in sight. Can’t side with them. Get 20 years of game time- wtf?! ‘Tension’ Obsidian fans: brotherhood and tactics are horrible games Only beat Brotherhood- tactics still isn’t finished as my computer died. Brotherhood’s antagonists A raider leader that’s about to attack the town you’re in as a brotherhood recruit when they reach out for more things… probably wanted the recruit to die in the attack. Brotherhood is who made the raider a leader, and is working to catch up on mutant’s plan. Mayor is a dick. Ghoul leader who’s gone mad unlike Maxon who was in similar situation. Vows to prevent the FEV research where Maxon goes for all tech. FEV is given to player: the end. FEV worked as intended: heals player limbs. Attis- the mutant leader. Combined the Master’s and LT’s philosophy. Equated player to sayings of a mouse that hunts lions. Actually a threat. Made the act of breeding a deadly weapon- one which you realize more so on Brotherhood than in mass effect. FEV didn’t return fertility and mate Attis a monster that died- remains seeped into the Vats and continued to mutate. Vault survived disaster, actually worked as intended. May have worked to combine FEV with death claws as the Abomination and the queen show. Also Ghouls on a bridge. Attis: hey let’s just siege the bridge- like… it’s easier than a city and here you just block off the front gates and they’ll die off instead of having to secure all the walls around a city.
@TheKahn143 жыл бұрын
How are they faschist?
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
Because they don't allow anyone on the mainland to vote I guess.
@TheKahn143 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative That sure is a dick move. I mean yes they are imperialist, warmongering, genocidal, authoritarian maniacs but you can be all those things without being a faschist.
@jacobchevalier19093 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative those people aren’t apart of the Enclave so why should they get a vote?
@TheOmegaInitiative3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobchevalier1909 Because they were born in America and the Enclave claims to be the American government.
@jacobchevalier19093 жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaInitiative yeah but lots of people in the wasteland are opposed to the enclave why would you let your enemy vote for your leader.
@silent_stalker36872 жыл бұрын
I really dislike fallout 2 for the whole parody “Oh super mutants are fertile, just gotta wait a few years, the master and LT were just silly” To the chosen one destroying the water chip and feeling good about it in a time travel Easter egg- could show other things of even spoilers for reveals later of how the chip broke but no, ‘hey if I died to the rats the vault’s water chip would’ve been running’ idea. Then we get ‘the greatest boss fight’ a lobotomized, indoctrinated, brain damaged by FEV and trauma mutie. Also the politician Richardson references outside of his head box dialogue is just that sadly. A simple fix to the Enclave being ran by idiots would be have Richardson exposed to the FEV a little bit to push the whole ‘psychic powers’ thing fallout 1 did. With that you can push ‘mutants bad’ idea by having Richardson accidentally project his thoughts and ramblings into the minds of others to a better degree of believability of them buying it. I don’t think Blackisles planned this for their sequel as they did a lot with the mutants remnants. I think fallout 2 would have had the mutants return to try and collect FEV ether as a sub plot or a main battle instead of the Enclave only being able to use humans to collect the FEV and no mutants ever thought of using a shovel. This would fit well with the Reservation in fallout 3 by Blackisles as well as push the whole breeding idea of other species.