Elegoo Mars Mate Review - So, this exists....

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FauxHammer

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@caiomolinari
@caiomolinari 3 ай бұрын
I'm a chemist and I have a master in chemical engineering with emphasis in materials science. And I've read the SDS of Elegoo resins which are public on their website. And what I can say to you is that under GHS global standards there is a risk of exposure by inhalation to a substance that's volatile and carcinogenic... it's a risk it's not guaranteed... and it's something that may happen after being exposed several times (maybe years) but sometimes depending on the substance, even really small quantities (ppm level) could be already very toxic... every substance will have a different threshold limit for exposure... for some it would need higher quantities to show a risk of toxicity, for other a small quantity is already a risk... meaning that the total VOC doesn't tell the whole story... even if their purifier doesn't remove all the VOCs but completely removes the one that shows a clear carcinogen risk, that would be enough in my humble opinion. However, due to this lack of transparency, the only way I would feel completely safe is by having an exhaust fan system to capture everything and throw it outside of my house and use the proper PPEs (the right mask). But maybe I'm becoming unnecessarily cautious about this... ignorance is a bliss sometimes 😅
@iansegobio9334
@iansegobio9334 8 ай бұрын
That last bit of "putting it back in the box again" was pure gold...
@SgtHouse
@SgtHouse 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for another great review! I am glad we got to see this in action. I think with the two carbon filters and keeping the lid close, maybe safer than buying this product. However, that's more of my opinion based on my environment and location that might differ from others. Also, I always get a kick where you reverse the unboxing video as if you are subtly saying, "Na, back you go for a refund!" 😂
@grindtastic
@grindtastic 8 ай бұрын
great video, it is something I started to take more seriously recently as I have been printing a lot more and I am in a somewhat enclosed room. I am in the process of installing an extraction fan that will lead outside.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, seems the best choice. Glad I have my extractir
@seelenschlucht
@seelenschlucht 8 ай бұрын
Could you make the following test? - Put the air quality meter in a big plastic bag or container that would also fit the Elegoo Mars Mate and seal it. - Let the air quality meter run for 30 minutes. - Write down the air quality of the inside of the bag. That is the base level for the next reading. - Now put the Elegoo Mars Mate with the air quality meter inside the bag or container and reseal it. - Let the Elegoo Mars Mate and the air quality meter run for 30 minutes. - Subtract the base level reading from the new reading. Now you see how much VOC the Elegoo Mars Mate spits out on his own. The higher reading in the exhaust of the Elegoo Mars Mate could mean that it sucks everything in from around it, is absolutely useless with just it's carbon filter, filters nothing, and blows out a concentrated, toxic, stream. Or it means that the Elegoo Mars Mate itself is made from the cheapest plastic, doesn't circulate any air inside the room because of the weak fan, and blows out very toxic air on it's own.
@walterstarr1588
@walterstarr1588 8 ай бұрын
I'm just going to set up a grow tent and vent the air outside, wearing PPR when I am opening the printers and working with resin.
@MrGTAmodsgerman
@MrGTAmodsgerman 2 ай бұрын
Seems to be so far the best approach. Also if you ever encounter a resin spill. You could throw the whole tent into trash if you really want it. Also you can control the "room temperature" this way, way more efficent while also it's a closed box with no windows in best case which protects from UV light.
@Tratios
@Tratios Ай бұрын
I just finished ordering the inline fan and carbon filter to do the same thing to the tent I assembled while waiting on saturn 4 ultra
@dmurphine
@dmurphine 8 ай бұрын
Activated carbon filters are good for filtering certain VOCs but not all airborne contaminants. Some of those airborne contaminants are going to just go through the filter unaffected. What you got off of the burnt toast was particulate matter, not VOC's. The detector also may have been picking up dust particles from the carbon filter. Also, that detector is suspicious, because formaldehyde (or formalin) is notoriously difficult to detect and most detectors have very short lifespans so I don't see how that is useful or how they expect it to work. Anyway, the compounds coming off of the resin vat are generally pretty benign under the conditions most hobbyists use them. Worry more about getting it on your skin.
@mekko1413
@mekko1413 7 ай бұрын
This is exactly that. So many people on the internet now days freak out over the slightest little thing that they hear all of a sudden its a big deal but when someone does the science behind it and or works in that field and says look this isn't a big deal. They then freak out over that person and forget what they were worried about in the first place. People were complaining about something that really didn't matter. Sure it smells but so do my farts and when people complained Elegoo said lets make money off these people complaining.
@OntarioGuy430
@OntarioGuy430 7 ай бұрын
So using xylene to wash fixative off my fingers when doing histology is a bad idea?? ;)
@Pendragon-dnd
@Pendragon-dnd 7 ай бұрын
I’m a noob but your comment gave me some questions. How long do detectors usually last? The resin fumes are fine to breath in while printing and don’t require a mask?
@dmurphine
@dmurphine 7 ай бұрын
@@Pendragon-dnd It depends on the detector. Some are very difficult to maintain and may degrade under exposure to human breath or water vapor. Some are also use once and done. Again it depends and they can be very finicky. Also they are compound specific - there is no one is good for all (with accuracy) like a Star Trek tricorder. For instance, combustible gas detectors are detecting anything that combusts - but are calibrated to something like methane. So if you have anything other than methane the values may not be totally accurate. As to resin vapors (fumes is a term that only technically applies to heated metal particles - like welding fumes) I'm not saying put your face over the vat, but generally the amount of exposure and the volatile compounds coming off the resin are very minor and a mask is really unnecessary. Yes you can smell it, but think about it this way: can you smell ammonia when you open a bottle? Yes, because it is very volatile and has a very low odor threshold. But it's not harmful at the level or concentration at which you can smell it. In fact, in order to be really sickened by ammonia vapors there has to be so much in the air that you really couldn't stand it. The fact that it stinks is telling you it's in the air, but it readily dissipates before it gets to a concentration that can harm you. Airborne chemical exposures for all things - dusts, vapors and fumes - have a safe use value that is based on concentration in the air, and the amount of time to which you are exposed. An industrial level print farm may need a respirator, but a hobbyist really doesn't as long as the area has good general ventilation or the resin is enclosed (like keep the cover on).
@dmurphine
@dmurphine 7 ай бұрын
@@OntarioGuy430 Well Xylene isn't great for your skin, like all petroleum distillates it has a defatting effect (skin is mostly fat) and can cause drying and cracking. I'd also worry about the fixative so maybe don't get it on your skin. Similar chemicals like Toluene, Hexane, Methanol and Benzene can be absorbed into you body through your skin, so they can actually cause systemic effects even if you're not breathing the vapors.
@PatrickSamphire
@PatrickSamphire 8 ай бұрын
It kind of makes sense that with a pump you would get more VOCs. With a lid with a good seal, almost nothing should be getting out until you remove the lid. With a filter pumping the air out, even if it removes 95% of the VOCs, that's still 5% that gets into the air and that wouldn't get into the air with a sealed lid. The only thing I would test is the level of VOCs when you remove the lid after using the filter and when you remove the lid without using a filter. That *might* be different, but if it isn't, the filter is doing more harm than good.
@SamuraiMujuru
@SamuraiMujuru 8 ай бұрын
Finally, a review of this gizmo. I've been eying it, but a proper HEPA filtered air purifier runs about the same price so I've been trying to figure out which I should go with.
@YourAverage_J0e
@YourAverage_J0e 8 ай бұрын
I ended up getting a winnex 5500-2. Has HEPA and carbon filter. The more dangerous time of the printing cycle isn't during the print it's durung wash and cure. So at least to me it seemed smarter to purify the whole room and try not to be in the room when prints are drying or be wearing a mask.
@ActualSizeTV
@ActualSizeTV 6 ай бұрын
@@YourAverage_J0e I do the same but I use water washable resin because I work with IPA on a daily basis at my job so really dont want to use that much IPA at home hahaha but the Winnex 5500-2 works awesome
@Cordeneaux87
@Cordeneaux87 8 ай бұрын
From the aquatics side, carbon is not all the same. Some carbons are really good at absorbing specific sized particles. As your meter suggests, 2.5 and 10 microns are substantially different. It is hard to see how a singular carbon block is capable of absorbing all of these. It would be good to test a regular certified HEPA filter to see if they absorb more of the compounds we are concerned about. As far as health concerns, the answer lies in the middle of all the hype pieces. Singular (acute) exposure to VOC's are not going to cause anyone real problems. Prolonged (chronic) exposure is what the main concern is with VOC's. Similar to that of smoking, VOC's are inhaled and create problems in lung tissue. They cause inflammation, so people with pre-existing conditions are at an enhanced risk, as well as the increased risk of cancers. Will there be people who both smoke and print with no ill-effects? Of course. Statistically, you are better off venting your printer than leaving it in a confined room. If you use a printer more, you are at more of a risk, but that risk will never be 0% or 100%. Statistics are frustrating that way.
@SomoneTookMyName
@SomoneTookMyName 8 ай бұрын
With little or no reliable info on the vocs that come out of resin printing I just run a standing fan, a celling fan, as well as a small air purifier located behind the printers. I currently have 3 printers. I honestly feel that this helps a great deal with keeping the air well circulated within the room. I wish I had a dedicated location for just my printers but they reside within my man cave. I would love to put them in my garage but here in AZ the temps get so hot I would not want to run them during the summer months where the garage gets upwards to 100 degrees. Personally I think my current setup is fine. I should be more concerned about the resin that I touch with my bare hands at times.
@MrAsmodath
@MrAsmodath 9 күн бұрын
I feel like I gotta put in my 2 cents here. I've been resin printing since the original Mars days. The smell with the cover on while printing was not that bad and was contained to just the room in the basement it was in. However, we recently upgraded the HVAC system in the house, and now the smell was making it upstairs, very faintly, and only after a 10+ hour print. So I picked up the Mars Mate for my Saturn 4 Ultra. And bingo, no more smell, not even standing right next to it while printing. I'm not saying its filtering everything out that is bad, but the smell is completely gone. And I garuntee that like most people, I'm exposed to far nastier stuff everyday then my couple times a month printing with resin. VOC mask and gloves all they way when I'm working directly with it, but the Mars Mate is doing the job I bought it for while printing as far as I'm concerned. If you don't like the the hazards of working with volitile chemicals and can't vent outside, then just don't do it
@mikedunning265
@mikedunning265 Ай бұрын
Amazing reboxing mate. Very efficient.....
@kielhawkins9529
@kielhawkins9529 5 ай бұрын
I kicked around the idea of a grow tent or cabinet with a fan venting to the outside. But adding some of those gloves to the side that you can reach through to interact with objects inside. It's obviously overkill, but you can work with the Resin and IPA without having to wear PPE or open the enclosure. For me in a little basement office that the kids are often in, it might be a way to work without having to kick everyone out and put on PPE.
@YourAverage_J0e
@YourAverage_J0e 8 ай бұрын
From the studies i have read, the voc content from the printing process is within tolorable values, however it is the chemical cocktail that has the unknown side effects. Also studies show that the highest concentration happens during washing and curing in part due to the agitation of the IPA. The mars mate is flawed from the start since its only atempting to tackle what is essentially the safest part of printing (printer with sealed hood on. It does nothing when you take off the hood to add resin, remove prints or wash and cure. The best option is to have a well ventilated area you can leave while printing and drying and second best to get a powerfull air purifyer with HEPA filter and actived carbon filter. I still see a lot of people concluding carbon doesnt work but for smell but its inconclusive at worst and works perfectly fine acording to most studies. If carbon doesnt work then we are all screwed. The 3m multi gas filters we are all wearing are carbon (including the ones hammer is using in this video) so we are all going to be part of a lawsuite against 3m otherwise.
@terrylyn
@terrylyn 4 ай бұрын
When you open the un-ventilated hood you will get all those VOCs on your face. With a device like this the air inside the hood is somewhat pure and you wont instantly blow out all those VOCs into your room. Air purifiers use the exact same principle of activated carbon, but this design is more effective since it sucks the VOCs out before they even get to the room. Also what it seems this machine has more carbon it in, hence more effective.
@madmanwithaplan1826
@madmanwithaplan1826 4 ай бұрын
Yeah but you'd need like 6 to 12 pounds of activated carbon to properly filter it all. So your best bet is still to just send it all outside as much as possible during the entire process. Grow tent. Inline air fan. Ducts and connections will run abou 60 to 100 depending on your set up. But its inarguably the best way to ensure your long term health. If you're worried about heat get a thermal vat band.
@terrylyn
@terrylyn 4 ай бұрын
@@madmanwithaplan1826 Source for your "6 to 12 pounds" claim? If a tiny built-in carbon filter in those elegoo printers can filter out most the smell, surely you won't need that much. (I know there can be some non-smelly VOCs which might be more difficult to filter out but at least it filters out those which you can smell)
@dkev001
@dkev001 8 ай бұрын
I use a grow tent with a pretty powerful exhaust fan. It exhaust into a carbon canister. Looks like a muffler. Because I run 2 resin printers. It is extremely effective at removing resin odors. The manufacturer claims it removes 90% of contaminants. But I don’t know about VOC’s. The bad part is, The tent isn’t tall enough to use my lids.
@V3ntu97
@V3ntu97 8 ай бұрын
I do the same, but I wouldn't worry about the lid since the printers are already enclosed in the tent. If anything is more harmful to keep the lid on without any proper ventilation system, because once you take off the lid, all the voc will be dispersed in one go. The best thing you can do is activate the extractor fan for 1-2 hours before the printer has finished. This will sensibly decrease the voc amount, it's also worth noting that extracting the fumes outside (even with a carbon filter) is the better choice
@scottiforgot7467
@scottiforgot7467 8 ай бұрын
I'm glad I seen your comment. I'm literally going to do the same thing and was going to start asking if it was a good idea to use a grow tent or not lol 😂😂 I can exhaust everything right out my window and not have to worry about getting this mars mate thing lol
@blorgblorgstein4101
@blorgblorgstein4101 6 ай бұрын
just curious here but why not vent it outside?
@peternoob
@peternoob 8 ай бұрын
I also returned mine. It's slow/super slow settings are annoying as is the missing option to hook up multiple printers with these low speed settings. I also wouldn't say its small, compared with other available room air purifiers it's on the bigger side. Even more so if you take into account that the Mate will ever only work in a single printer setup. Good thing you had the hose laying on the desk, as the pressure fit of the hose is just as weak as it's fan. If it hangs loose in the air or connects the Mate to a printer on another shelf level, the hose slides out in a matter of hours.
@justinsomers8578
@justinsomers8578 8 ай бұрын
Haven't finished the video, but could you try testing the air filter with the usb-stick elegoo air purifiers? I'm also curious what it might look like if we have an air purifier running in a small room that's connected to the 3d printer?
@justinchamberlin4195
@justinchamberlin4195 7 ай бұрын
I work in a foundry, there is nothing my FDM or resin printers can produce that's worse than that. And for non-foundry employees, sitting in front of a bonfire a few hours is again going to expose you to far more airborne pollutants than your printers release, unless maybe you're printing 24/7 and have your printer(s) in your bedroom. That being said, I don't think there's any good option for an in-home purifier/recirculator - it's like the vent hoods for kitchens, the ones that only filter air and blow it back into the room don't work for anything while the ones configured to blow air outside work great. Recirculating purifiers make it smell nicer, but that's it - the best option is to exhaust fumes to the outdoors rather than let them linger inside.
@WIBRTyranT
@WIBRTyranT 8 ай бұрын
I think what makes it so misleading is that it's a dry block of charcoal/carbon. The smell can get trapped in it, but most of the vocs in the air won't attach to it. That's done way more reliably with a wet/submerged carbon setup, like in aquarium filters. I'm wonder as well, if the extra vocs coming out of the mate are dry carbon dust particles blowing off the block. Carbon blocks require rinsing in water to remove excess dust particles, because there's a LOT of dust that comes off. *edited for spelling
@keladryel5950
@keladryel5950 8 ай бұрын
Maybe just the fact that it sucks air out of the printer tbh. I have noticed the same with the mini filter of my mars 3 pro. If I leave the printer running after a finished print even just the little fan spreads it into the room, going from good air quality and pushes it to unhealthy. If I let it sit turned off after the print there is no degradation of air quality in the room until I remove the lid.
@RM-hn6ir
@RM-hn6ir 8 ай бұрын
Even then, for wet carbon filters, they get used up pretty quickly. For a lot of small aquariums, they are almost pointless.
@keladryel5950
@keladryel5950 8 ай бұрын
@@RM-hn6ir My point was more that the additional airflow makes the room overall worse. In addition to the carbon filter being pointless.
@WIBRTyranT
@WIBRTyranT 8 ай бұрын
@@RM-hn6ir it depends on what is going into the aquarium. If you're removing excess medicine after dosing/treating fish, then you'd wanna replace the carbon so the meds don't leach back out of the carbon. That said, I stopped using carbon in my aquariums a long time ago.
@WIBRTyranT
@WIBRTyranT 8 ай бұрын
@@keladryel5950 they also don't have actual filter material to capture the voc particles (think furnace filters) so yes it is just blowing the vocs right out into the room. What I'm gonna do when I get the time is to make a sealable cabinet, with a fan (filter between it and cabinet) blowing fresh air in, and an exhaust fan with another filter, blowing air outside, via window venting. The furnace filters will capture a good chunk of vocs and get changed every so often, but keep them from saturating the room/inside of the house
@3dpathfinder
@3dpathfinder 8 ай бұрын
My Creality Halot Mage 8k comes with a built in carbon filter and hose that i just run to a window fan on exhaust . No issues
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Yeah the pro does too, that’s pretty good
@acasccseea4434
@acasccseea4434 4 ай бұрын
can you review the USB air filter that comes with the elegoo printers? or just find a better option that you'd recommend to us
@jasonc212
@jasonc212 8 ай бұрын
I bought one of these, and before I did, I had some of the same concerns that most share. It's just a large charcoal filter, so is it really going to do anything? Will it only get rid of just the smell (which is at least something I guess)? I'm glad you did this review, because I now know I should've gone with my initial gut and not ordered it. I have my printers set up in a converted bathroom that still has a very powerful ceiling vent that sucks up steam, and air particles. it doesn't clean the air, just takes what's in there, and blows it out a vent. I don't know if that helps much either, but I don't seem to have that smell nearly as strong when I have that fan running, and it seems to at least be moving the air out of the house, so perhaps that was all I needed all along.
@miguellopez3392
@miguellopez3392 7 ай бұрын
Yes i use the outake fan of my small paint station to clear the fumes of alcohol and resin out of my room in winter. It is probably the best way as the air in the room is replaced entirely every couple of hours with no smell with 2 printers running, just sucks that im blowing all the heat out of my house as well.
@cidercreekranch
@cidercreekranch 6 ай бұрын
A well fitted printer lid will keep VOCs and particulate matter in the air surrounding the printer to a minimum. Though at the end of the print the contained VOCs and particulates will be release into the air and that is when having an effective means of venting these is key. I chose to build a fume hood measuring 44" wide x 20" deep x 44" that is vented to the outside, in the garage. Both the resin printer and the wash & cure station, resins and other chemical substances live in the hood. When printing, with the lid securely closed, I set the fan speed to the lowest value that is still effective at ensuring frequent air changes. At the end of the print, I set the fan speed to full before removing the printer's lid and cannot detect any odors, unless I shove my head into the hood. Even then there a a barely perceptible chemical odor. The hood encloses a volume of ~22.5 cubic feet and the vent fan is rate at 200 cubic feet per minute (CFM). Though I doubt that it moves more that 100 CFM. Even at the lower CFM, the air within the hood is exchanged at least 4 time per minute. Air changes per minute is more important than filtering capacity since the types of filters like the Elegoo and similar types of filter are not effective at moving air since they operated within a larger enclosed volume. Namely the room where it's located. Chemistry labs contain banks of fume hoods and not table top air cleaners. From The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH): "Make sure that the space where you will be using the printer is well ventilated with lots of fresh, uncontaminated air to dilute and remove particles and gases. For example, the space has vented exhaust located near the 3D printer or windows and doors that can be opened to let fresh air into the room." And: "Isolate the 3D printer from persons in the room. For example, consider placing it in a working fume hood in a workplace setting or in a well-ventilated garage in a home setting." NIOSH recommends the above for FDM printers but it also applies to resin printers as well. I would not put much stock into the detector you used to measure formaldehyde concentration, since as other have indicated such low-cost devices are grossly inaccurate. To get accurate results requires capturing periodic air samples while the printer is operating and having the samples analyzed using gas chromatography coupled to a mass spectrometer. A study conducted by NIOSH, Evaluation of 3-D Printer Emissions and Personal Exposures at a Manufacturing Workplace, conclude, w.r.t. PPE that (emphasis added): "Personal protective equipment is the effective means for controlling hazardous exposures." and "Personal protective equipment be the sole method for controlling hazardous exposures. Rather, personal protective equipment should be used until effective engineering and administrative controls are in place."
@msp5616
@msp5616 8 ай бұрын
Tbh i got th same exact same result, and it led me to the same conclusion. Leave a sealed lid on and mask up when removing it. I returned the filter as it did seem pointless, considering the biggest danger was removing the lid, and the filter has no way of helping with that
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Glad it’s not just me
@Lyall4
@Lyall4 8 ай бұрын
Did you test the voc when removing the lid with the filter vs not. My thought is this is just refreshing the air under the lip more consistently. So when be less of a build up (wave) of voc release when you lid.
@Romancelanguagespassion
@Romancelanguagespassion 4 ай бұрын
Sounds great, I am excited if you can compare different filter in the market to see which one is best, for instance Elegoo filter vs AlveoPro😅
@StarFyreXXX
@StarFyreXXX 8 ай бұрын
i read that you need a purifier with activated carbon but also PCO. something about UV light ... only found a couple that seem to have both
@Ninjastar202
@Ninjastar202 8 ай бұрын
Great vid. doesn't need stock gesture footage.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Trust me, its better than repeat filler footage and until I get a room big enough to do talking head footage. It's staying as it is. Sorry
@johnrobertson9333
@johnrobertson9333 7 ай бұрын
Where can we buy the correct attachment to run an exhaust from the Saturn 3!?
@ScytheNoire
@ScytheNoire 8 ай бұрын
Should have been named the Elegoo Moon. Would have fit better in their naming scheme. Not having the required filters in stock is an issue, although it not working is the bigger issue.
@GuthanSlayer
@GuthanSlayer 8 ай бұрын
anyway you could test the air quality with an actual HEPA or other highly rated air filters really interested to see how those do with resin fumes etc
@docroberts1988
@docroberts1988 8 ай бұрын
Probably do just as good taking some large diameter PVC pipe and hose and fittings , drilling holes in the tube . Inside just add 2 or three MK06 MK01 HEPA Replacement Filters and calling it a day . Be about as good as that Elegoo worked . Just need a motor that's strong enough to draw the air through and housing made tight enough to contain the air movement .. Make about anything you want , you just need to replacement filters you can get easily
@joostrove4440
@joostrove4440 3 ай бұрын
May I ask a stupid question? Did you remove the plastic cover around the filter?
@Desmo904
@Desmo904 8 ай бұрын
Well, if we can take any conclusion from the toast test, it is that you should have a 'wife' standing close to the 3D printer at all times to detect nasty smells. Something my wife is quite good at (it would appear) judging by the amount of times she informs me of it! 😆🤣 In a bit more seriousness, I run a Saturn 8k and with the lid on, it seems to be perfectly non-smelly running elegoo standard 8k resin. As soon as the lid is off, you notice a marked difference. So, I'm going to run it always with the lid on. (As I was anyway) Thanks for the review and for taking the bullet with the detector costs for the test! 👍
@sggee
@sggee 8 ай бұрын
Would you recommend having a system to suck the air out using the rear lid hole and exhausting out of a dryer vent or window like in your window? Would that disperse the VOCs faster?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Yes
@Ugly_Baby_Gaming
@Ugly_Baby_Gaming 8 ай бұрын
forget this thing ... A question about your wargamer resin. do you know what temperature it is rated for would it cope with 120c ? (after being printed)
@stevekorzeniewski6895
@stevekorzeniewski6895 8 ай бұрын
GREAT VIDEO !! The last thing I need is more useless junk on my workbench! 👍
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
You and me both!
@carlitousmx
@carlitousmx 8 ай бұрын
Maybe try the Levoit Core 300S (which costs about the same and has far more features than this from Elegoo) with a 3-Stage Toxin Absorber Filter (green), I've always wondered if this would be a far more better general approach to work with resin 3d printers in an average room.
@joostrove4440
@joostrove4440 3 ай бұрын
Does it have a carbon filter? HEPA filters are really only suitable for particulate matter, not VOCs.
@carlitousmx
@carlitousmx 3 ай бұрын
@@joostrove4440it doesn’t come with the carbon filter to deal with VOCs, you have to buy it separately.
@wastanley734
@wastanley734 6 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be better to use the small one inside during operation. And run the air mate for a few minutes before removing the lid? For dissapation of the bulk of them that happened that during curing process. And there's a formula for how much volume of air has to moved for resin printing. Worked in the dental field and the room with the printers had to have the air completely replaced around every 15 minutes. So the low speed of the fan for the tiny volume of the printer enclosure makes sense.
@nwallace
@nwallace 8 ай бұрын
My entirely unscientific gut feeling is that the higher reading over the mars mate vs next to the vent hole could be because of the higher airflow over the mate. I still have doubts that this thing will work but that could explain your funny numbers.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Yeah that's possible, but as I said, even sat next to it and below the home. Levels continued to rise
@olgriz8474
@olgriz8474 4 ай бұрын
The way you tested it went from active to passive. For instance active was you blowing the vape directly on the sensor, sticking it in the burnt toast smoke, & setting it on top of the purifiers exhaust. Passive is setting the sensor next to the machine & toaster. The sensor is meant to detect ppm in the surrounding air. With active testing the concentration/ppm the sensor is detecting is vastly higher than with passive. A better way to test would be to put the sensor in a small room or closet with the printer. Collect samples without the purifier then with the purifier and compare the results.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 4 ай бұрын
I think the test that matters really, whether active or passive is that with the lid on, the printer doesn't let out many VOC's.. plug in the mate and turn it on and it throws tem into your room. is that what anyone wants?
@therealjonaswp602
@therealjonaswp602 4 ай бұрын
So I guess you should just wear a good mask. Any suggestions on a good low budget extraction fan/setup for fumes?
@davidwaples8758
@davidwaples8758 5 ай бұрын
What struck me when I started using my new Saturn 3 is that when the unit is running, the onboard carbon filter would run and I would not smell anything. But when the printer stopped, the filter stopped and the smell quickly enveloped the area. This Mars Mate works when the printer stops, but replace the filter every two months? And just how good is it? The carbon blocks are like $90 each? I wonder if that's necessary? Most quality air purifiers only require the carbon filter to be replaced every two years? Those hand held air quality testers are pretty worthless. I watched a video from an industry expert holding two of the same devices next to each other and they had drastically different readings. More professional devices are required for accurate readings. I'm thinking about just getting a quality AirPura air cleaner designed for VOC's for the area I'm printing in (basement). I think I trust that more than an Elegoo product. Still trying to decide.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 5 ай бұрын
When the unit is closed, the filter keeps it all inside and circulates the air through the filter multiple times. The mate pumps it directly into your room
@ausfoodgarden
@ausfoodgarden 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, carbon filters trap smells but the volatiles just tend to blow through. Way better to use that hose with an extractor fan and push the air out the window. That's what I do and it seems to work well. It's cheaper too. 😊
@sodakupop
@sodakupop 7 ай бұрын
Do you have anything you'd recommend for this setup?
@fredrick_leicht
@fredrick_leicht 8 ай бұрын
There are two schools of thought when it comes to dealing with 3D Resin printers and the smell. One pump as mush air as you can OUT of the room. This works well but as I have noticed you end up making more smell the more air you pump out of the printer. so low air speed is the key. Two trapping the air inside the device. This is most likely best as you are not creating a bunch of gas by blowing on it and pumping it just just outside of where you are working. How ever that is until you take the lid off device. Once you take the lid off then you have to deal with the smell which is normal not a lot. So there you have it in a nut shell as they say. Do with it what you will.
@benceszabo2286
@benceszabo2286 Ай бұрын
so i dont really care about the air quality, but does it reduce the smell enough to make it worth to buy? 🤔
@flojoairflojoair3369
@flojoairflojoair3369 8 ай бұрын
i know your love heated 3dprinters wudent it be a easy thing to confurt a heater to blow warm air tru that removebel vent hole ?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
It might be actually
@Hero1117a
@Hero1117a 8 ай бұрын
At least you're honest
@AustinLindstrom
@AustinLindstrom 8 ай бұрын
In looking into air quality / VOC / sensors, it's my understanding that any consumer level hand held do-dad is worthless. You need something industrial level, I saw $1,500 investment mentioned. It just seems like no one, anywhere, knows how dangerous / undangerous it is to 3D print.
@kevinrodriguez4090
@kevinrodriguez4090 8 ай бұрын
Have you gotten a chance to test out uniformation gk2 12k lcd upgrade
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
not got it yet
@N0a5301
@N0a5301 Ай бұрын
But if you take the mars mate out of the window or on the balcony
@vhoo7210
@vhoo7210 8 ай бұрын
Do you think the Mars Mate combined with 2 usb filters would make a difference?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
no
@TheFacelid
@TheFacelid 8 ай бұрын
I have no opinion on whether you should stop vaping or not, but I would suggest changing the filters in your mask
@TimWatts
@TimWatts 8 ай бұрын
Did you try a test outside of the printer case with and without an internal carbon filter running? I'd love to know if they're actually doing anything.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
If the big carbon block isn't doing anything, I'd be very surprised to see the little one doing anything.
@TimWatts
@TimWatts 8 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer Yeah i just wondered as they'd be cycling the same air over and over which would give the carbon more chance to absorb VOC's.
@scottyboy6269
@scottyboy6269 7 ай бұрын
3 Stage filter probably better by a lot, I have a Honeywell one with a massive carbon pad on it, the activated carbon blocks I swear have far less surface area.
@ROKKIT44
@ROKKIT44 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this review. I messaged you over a month ago about this machine to see if it was worth it. You replied right away to say you were in the process of reviewing. Thank you for taking the time to try this out. Sad to learn it’s worthless, but glad I learned before buying. The fact they still don’t have replacement filters available, is just icing on the garbage cake.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Glad I could help!
@terrylyn
@terrylyn 4 ай бұрын
It's not worthless. I think the testing procedure is flawed somehow - or he has reversed the laws of physics. Industrial fume extractors use the exact same principle e.g. when filtering out air from laser engravers, and it works.
@tek9058
@tek9058 8 ай бұрын
Just make something to put the printer into, make a filter yourself with loose active carbon and leave it inside. Done, a self heating box and filter. In winter it only needs initial heating and will maintain 25-30°C if properly isolated, the UV lights are awesome heaters. No fire risk having heaters permanently on. Tip: don't use Ikea stuff, get dense wood.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
I mean, I'm nktvthe mkst DIY person, but the point of the video was to reviewthis
@lozovoymax1941
@lozovoymax1941 8 ай бұрын
Interesting. Thanks. Seems like it does not work the way it is promoted. Seems like you still need enclosure and put printer with mate inside. Then it would do something useful. Instead of spreading less odor but not odor-less inside your room. But for that purpose, duct fan with 4" carbon filter exists. And, ha-ha, you can buy it. Can't understand why nobody offers some solution with vented/recirculated/heated enclosure. Feel lack of completed solution on the market. I understand that this video is not about enclosures, but this product tries to solve odor problem while it not clear whether it actually solves it. If you want to buy it - you want to recirculate inside your room. Also, that means that option with exhaust out of your house is not your choice. If you want to recirculate - keep it in small, enclosed area. People often go with grow tents, but they're huge. Smallest that you can get for decent price is 100x60x60 but often they're 120 or 140 tall. For 1-2 printers they're just too big. Would love to see something more suitable for resin printers rather than plants.
@WhiteWulfe
@WhiteWulfe 8 ай бұрын
Oof, that's bad to see. First it's marketed incorrectly (carbon doesn't really do much for VOC's), and secondly there's no replacement filters available. Ouch. But for me, the worst part of it all is that by the sound of things it takes care of some of the smell, but at that cost I might as well just do the grow tent plus massive carbon filter method, as such will more or less keep the fumes in on area, and I can then vent it outside as well if need be (the semi-cautious person in my is tempted to do... both, if I can figure out a way to route hoses in a non-obstructive way)
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Well, you get a little carbon filter inside all Elegoo printers now that deals with the smell, and you can get replacement cartridges for those sooooo.
@WhiteWulfe
@WhiteWulfe 8 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer Makes sense. Odds are as much as I'd love a Saturn 2 or 3 so it matches my Mars 2 Pro for looks, I'll probably go with the GK Two, because not only is the flip up lid is handy (as well as the drip catcher on the build plate), they also have in chamber carbon and you can buy replacement packs easily. But yeah, it is baffling that they didn't take a two tiered approach, and have it be a large block of carbon plus HEPA filtration. Yes, single pass isn't as effective as recirculating, but it sure beats nothing. Plus, y'know, the whole being able to market it even more (even if they've made things problematic by not having readily available replacement blocks)
@Starfury0042
@Starfury0042 8 ай бұрын
I run mine in the garage and will have both doors open and it gets a nice breeze through and blows the smell out.
@ao-b2774
@ao-b2774 17 күн бұрын
Just on the vape comment: vapes aren't 'safe', they're just less unsafe than cigarettes. People seem to confuse the later with the former.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 17 күн бұрын
Yeah, that was my point…
@Mani_spielt
@Mani_spielt 4 ай бұрын
So i dont need this one?
@zackarybrown6752
@zackarybrown6752 6 ай бұрын
I do really wish we could get a professional study on how the VOCs from resin actually affect us and what quantities are bad.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 6 ай бұрын
so do I
@p3rrypm
@p3rrypm 6 күн бұрын
I would think it would need hepa purification as well as carbon. One should capture the small micron particles and the other the smells.
@samsimpson3071
@samsimpson3071 7 ай бұрын
I might be wrong but from what elegoo sent you it seems they tested it in an enclosed chamber for six hours which would mean that it is constantly recycling the air in that chamber over and over again which is obviously not what it’s doing when it’s sucking the fumes out of the machine and spitting them out into your room as the air now can’t get back into the machine. Plus the uncurled resin in the machine will constantly be producing the VOC vapours where as they seem to have started with a fixed amount of pollutant. The way they have tested it would be more applicable to the internal USB filters working solely within the case but technically you would have to cover the resin without removing the lid when you were finished printing and then wait six hours before you opened the case. This is my understanding of what’s been sent over.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 7 ай бұрын
yep, that makes sense actually!
@darkhighwayman1757
@darkhighwayman1757 8 ай бұрын
I swear I wanna start building hoods or enclosures for Printers.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Do it, I'd love one
@axelrodriguez9967
@axelrodriguez9967 8 ай бұрын
I returned mine it doesnt work I use now some inline fan some adapters that are in printables and all goes outside
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Smart
@npccx
@npccx 8 ай бұрын
How is Uniformation reading?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
not tested it, my filter ran out months ago - never bothered replacing it.
@maciejs.5094
@maciejs.5094 6 ай бұрын
Ok, I'm no rocket scientist, but as someone pointed out, I thin the test is skewed. You compare the reading from the meter on running filter and next to a hole. The difference here is that the air from the hole flows naturally, so it's hard to say what is the rate of the airflow - but most probably very, very low. Which doesn't mean that the pollution is not produced; it's just trapped under the lid until you open it. When the filter is running, it's obviously sucking the air from beneath the lid. So it's no surprise that the reading can be the same or even higher - the airflow of polluted air is bigger. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that the filter doesn't do anything - maybe the amount of overall pollution, that would be released when opening the lid, is reduced this way. Basically what I'm trying to say: - I'd put the printer, meter and filter in a sealed grow test, not connecting the hose to the lid. Put the meter somewhere in the middle of the tent (but not too close to a source of "moving air" like directly on the filter or near the printer fan) for both tests 1) run a print with no lid with filter ON, capture the reading from the meter (best to capture how it changes in time, but could be hard, so min/max should suffice) 2)run the same print with no lid and the filter OFF, see the readings and compare results. It should give you a more reliable results with more comparable conditions. Than we will know if it really does anything.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 6 ай бұрын
it was there for the whole print, you only saw a few seconds of the whole scenario
@maciejs.5094
@maciejs.5094 5 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer ok, you focused on one sentence of my whole rant and ignored everything else. I wanted to focus on testing conditions. To put it in more simple terms, let's try this analogy: Let's assume you're a non-smoker. You stand NEXT TO someone smoking a cigarette without a filter (I don't think they make those anymore but let's say he broke the filter off). And you say it smells a bit but it's not that bad. Then you smoke YOURSELF a cigarette WITH the filter and say it makes you cough. And then come up with conclusion that the filters don't do anything, and it's even worse with them then without. See my point? (Disclosure: I don't know if the cigarette filters actually make the cigs less harmful, I know that the cigs without filters are a lot stronger; cigs are harmful as hell either way so it's best not to smoke at all. Given from me, smoking for 20+ yrs and trying to quit without much success)
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 5 ай бұрын
@@maciejs.5094 ok
@Volgan16666
@Volgan16666 8 ай бұрын
Hmmmm interesting - and there was me smoking my 3d printed resin cigars thinking they were better for me. Suggest you take the little meter and pop it in the bin. The less you know the better. What I do wonder is what sort of results you would get when you are using iso to clean the prints.
@esbenrasmussen4289
@esbenrasmussen4289 5 ай бұрын
I read some stuff on the Ikea air measurement device. And one commented that it was a good design choice to only have an indication on stable/rising/lowering of VOC, since "measuring VOC in air is very difficult" Also VOC can be many things. I don't think it is possible to test this with only common knowledge and a handheld device. It would take an educated person with the right testing equipment....
@erik3205
@erik3205 8 ай бұрын
Has anyone attempted to use grow tent carbon filters with 3d printers?
@antongunther3977
@antongunther3977 8 ай бұрын
Yes, they don't do much. You are better off venting the exhaust outside. Just get a grow tent and inline fan to create a negative pressure room around your printer
@erik3205
@erik3205 8 ай бұрын
I see, my garage doesn't have windows in it and its about to winter time, I'll have to come up with another solution. @@antongunther3977
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Inpaud a plumber mate to drill me a vent hole. £30. Then I bought a £15 extractor pipe kit from screwfix
@Gregatron13
@Gregatron13 8 ай бұрын
Can you say "Matching mount on the Mars Mate" three times fast?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
I just tried No, I can’t
@stephankleen556
@stephankleen556 8 ай бұрын
I just tried. I can.
@MBaadsgaard
@MBaadsgaard 7 ай бұрын
You are using a PM2.5 sensor for particulates (smoke and from printers) that are more in the 0.1-0.5um range. Basically, it's the wrong sensor. If the filter doesn't do fine particulate filtration, then of course, that's not important, but you do dwell on this alot.
@basilmemories
@basilmemories 7 ай бұрын
why are you telling this to an alot? tell that to the maker of the video
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 7 ай бұрын
Actually PM2.5 PM10 HCHO AQI So what is the right sensor?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 7 ай бұрын
Eh?
@MBaadsgaard
@MBaadsgaard 7 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer A PM10 measures 10um and below with decreasing accuracy, a PM2.5 measures below 2.5um and a PM1 below 1um. Some sources also list "ultra fine particles" as the main issue with 3d printing, which is
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 7 ай бұрын
Ok, so what can I use to measure if this does anything at all? Because it doesn’t seem to do anything useful
@emal2170
@emal2170 2 ай бұрын
The little usb was a placebo for me. This pulls out. So when pulling out your pulling air in, which pulls out again. That seems dumb and gimmicky. I prefer to just leave the printer running without a filter. If I were to do anything else, it would be to vent outside, but Sunlu doesn't smell that much to me.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 2 ай бұрын
At least that worked by refiltering the air inside the chamber
@defdaz
@defdaz 8 ай бұрын
Glad people are taking this seriously. You have to think total 'pollution' per day from all sources. Your body can only deal with so much per day and any more than this results in ill health. Dietary pollutants are very high for most people on the western diet (and causes serious ill health - all the modern western metabolic diseases like alzheimers, diabetes, obesity, heart disease etc.) and so most people can't deal with any additional pollution - think about how smoking tips most people over the edge even quicker than a bad diet alone. Stress, atmospheric pollution, diet, smoking all add up and if it's too high - you get ill / die (30,000 people die per year in the UK from air pollution).
@telleryoutube4458
@telleryoutube4458 8 ай бұрын
yes i am very upset i purchased it when i started 3d printing lo
@antongunther3977
@antongunther3977 8 ай бұрын
Exhausting>>>>>>>filtration for smells and VOCs
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Damn that would have been a good thumbnail title
@JohnVanderbeck
@JohnVanderbeck 7 ай бұрын
Spoiler alert yeah it does nothing but strip smells. Note their testing methodology says to let it sit for 6 hours then test again. Well you could turn the Mate off for 6b hours and the levels would drop about the same. Its 6 HOURS!
@thediscoman2001
@thediscoman2001 2 ай бұрын
basically then its just a gimmake, it probabley got the award for the design and nothing else, iv built a carbon filter system for my ultra 3 and iv got basically nothing at all smell wise witch is what i mainley wanted to get rido of smell, but i think the little usb filters do agood enough job really
@nicholassmith5206
@nicholassmith5206 8 ай бұрын
Nice outro. 😅
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Lol, thanks
@ghostrangerp.8819
@ghostrangerp.8819 8 ай бұрын
Same here i use a grow tent for the small to mid size printers but fotr larger printers like the jupiter and higher these printers are not well thought out by the manufacters at all...if they actually took the time and listened to users like myself and others that have a functioning brain and took us to the manufacturer we could collaborate to create something so much better than the garbage being sold out there...its sad that these printers are just being recycled with the same parts over and over
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Some are listening
@ghostrangerp.8819
@ghostrangerp.8819 8 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer The problem is by the time they listen most likely they dont care.. or lost interest...ive noticed that companies like elegoo and others dont care about their customers at all...its just about the cash in the end customer service has diminished so much entirely to a point where we hardly exist
@pablofiasco2
@pablofiasco2 8 ай бұрын
yeah, i think it would probably be easier, and safer, to just rig a tube with a fan drawing air out a window
@Strixx23
@Strixx23 8 ай бұрын
Please excuse my ignorance, so the new filter draws air through the top cover but the printer is still pulling air out through its own heat vent? Isn’t that a tad pointless? I appreciate you had the mini usb filters (I’ve got those) but aren’t they just to remove smells? Would we be better off placing the printer 3m from a window and placing the draw motor end outside? Wouldn’t need to replace the carbon filter, (assuming you are able to ensure the wind can’t blow the fumes back inside).
@off-grideverything533
@off-grideverything533 8 ай бұрын
Think I'd rather just print an adapter, and buy some hose + a fan to pump it outside 😂
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Same
@cfaulkingham
@cfaulkingham 8 ай бұрын
I pre-ordered 2 of these, 1 is still in the box. They really are useless and I am surprised they're still for sale. It's the worst 3D printing accessory I have purchased to date.
@enricobononi8655
@enricobononi8655 8 ай бұрын
correct...adding the filter (even the one they provide) it is just moving the air and making more VOC coming out form the lid. Keeping the lid close is the best solution
@user-vl8jv1tl5e
@user-vl8jv1tl5e 8 ай бұрын
vor from most or vor from plastic like buddy, thats not the same. And yes you're wrong, aint ther a fan even with the lid on you ll get air out. this devise idk is your wrong on that, I would just take the air outside no need to have it in the room.
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
eh?
@OOTheBlueAir
@OOTheBlueAir 8 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer should be Voc spelled wrong. yea the 3d printer have a fan that blows air in, some of that natural go up top, and out under the lid.?_
@RocktracksSC
@RocktracksSC 8 ай бұрын
​@@FauxHammerI think hes saying VOCs from toast and from plastics arent comparable in terms of posed danger, and why worrie about filtering efficacy when throwing the fumes outside is more effective anyway
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
@@RocktracksSC ah thanks, Well in that case, yeah i know, that is why I said I'm no scientist. but also, the reason why I'm talking about it when blowing outside is better is because the point is to review this product. and this isn't a blowing outside machine.
@AndroidA258
@AndroidA258 8 ай бұрын
just do what i do, plug an air extraction fan to outside, its just the best way no matter what
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
That’s why I usually do
@AndroidA258
@AndroidA258 8 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer im really glad you made this video, i was literally just shopping for active air filters to put in my workplace and i was looking at this thing, it doesnt look that great from what it seems
@spqrpraetorian
@spqrpraetorian 8 ай бұрын
You should definitely stop vaping. Nearly all studies have pointed to it being every bit as bad if not worse than just smoking.
@MemelordSupreme
@MemelordSupreme 8 ай бұрын
For the price you can get a pretty decent air cleaner built for workshops (like woodworking) that's going to do a lot more air circulation than this little guy. Granted, it's not feasible to put one of those in a bed room but if you're printing in a garage it would probably be fairly beneficial. I really hope more companies come out with similar solutions as the mars mate, but maybe thye could actually work haha!
@alexabel1841
@alexabel1841 8 ай бұрын
Could you give an example for such air cleaners?
@KevinG9012
@KevinG9012 8 ай бұрын
I bought one. Now seems like a complete waste.
@darkem3rald132
@darkem3rald132 8 ай бұрын
Honestly the Temtop filter is not really reliant ... even the company themself suggest to buy a more expensive one to get not random measuring values
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
Random? this is showing the results of a few tests, I'm just not making a video showing it the 12 or so times I tested over a few weeks as that would be boring. I had consistent results from it?
@darkem3rald132
@darkem3rald132 8 ай бұрын
@@FauxHammer the problem is that if you buy another temptop you will have the same device but very likely totally different values and therefore the values actually have no meaning since it depends on the device you recived an obviously you cant know if you have a device which is more or less accurate
@NNextremNN
@NNextremNN 8 ай бұрын
@@darkem3rald132 Regardless of how reliable it is, the result is constant. Start printing values go up, start filter values stay the same. Open lid values go up even higher. If it would work even remotely as advertised the values wouldn't go up or staying the same when starting the filter. These things remove smell that's it but the smell isn't what's harmful to you. Even all of the low odor/smell or whatever resins still tell you to vent and not constantly breath in that stuff.
@darkem3rald132
@darkem3rald132 8 ай бұрын
@@NNextremNN i agree with you totally but the device itself is completly random... as i said buy the same thing twice and have a look. Let them measure next to another and they will have different values and also different changes of the values so when one increases buy 0.1 the other may increase differently... so therefore the measured values are saying nothing not even trends
@sl-lin0bi529
@sl-lin0bi529 4 ай бұрын
lost me at calculation formula =p
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 4 ай бұрын
rewatch it, it should make sense.
@Snafu00M
@Snafu00M 8 ай бұрын
Ew, screw the filter on the Elegoo trash, change your masks Air Filters, they're black.
@onihensen
@onihensen 8 ай бұрын
That’s not actually the filter itself, it’s a prefilter pad on top of the filter. I always wondered what it was for.
@Godonstilts
@Godonstilts 7 ай бұрын
"I bought this thing that measures if air is good or bad..." proceeds to take a big ol' lung full of vape, says its "Hazardous" Still vaping?
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 7 ай бұрын
yeah...
@TigraZ
@TigraZ 28 күн бұрын
that detector sucks shjould have used a better one
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 28 күн бұрын
Personally I feel whether it is accurate or not, is irrelevant as it still detected more/less. that's enough to temll me what i need to know.
@enricobononi8655
@enricobononi8655 8 ай бұрын
doesnt do anyting like all the filters provided by elegoo...just a gimmiick
@perfictsib
@perfictsib 8 ай бұрын
I was a mechanic for 16 years breathing in god knows what , so I dont think spending a few minutes in the same room as a printer is going to cause any life changing side effects.
@BeepBoop2221
@BeepBoop2221 8 ай бұрын
It absolutely will
@FauxHammer
@FauxHammer 8 ай бұрын
How so, please advise a validated source of the truth on this?
@BeepBoop2221
@BeepBoop2221 8 ай бұрын
@FauxHammer me? Cumulative Low levels of pollutants especially around resins isn't going to be good for you in an enclosed areas. Being exposed to a different pollutants doesn't really allow you to be exposed to another.
@NNextremNN
@NNextremNN 8 ай бұрын
And many smokers don't get cancer, your anecdotal evidence doesn't proof anything.
@tek9058
@tek9058 8 ай бұрын
It will, expecially if you dont take gloves seriously. I had liver issues for few days, values were like 30x over normal. Wasn't much contact, maybe a drop from time to time.
@StumblingBumblingIdiot
@StumblingBumblingIdiot 8 ай бұрын
Should put the meter at your car exhaust just to see how it compares :) I agree with the mechanic that printer fumes compared to being in an enclosed garage with 6 cars in the bays is negligible. I am no expert though, I am in fact an idiot.
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