Qur'an 52:35 : *>*

No, by you discussing dragons, you are acknowledging that 1.Reptilian skin exists 2.Fire exists 3.Living being exists 4.Strenght, size. movement, eyes, wings all exist 5.Colour exists You have put all of your experiences together to understand what a dragon is, even though it does not exist, your experiences do. So in your heart of hearts you believe all of these things exist. You are misunderstanding his argument By conversing about flat earth, you admit to the idea, of flatness, and to the idea that there is an earth, so you believe in flatness, and the earth, doesn't necessitate that you believe both of these truths come together

@@AM-bm9rs I can do the same argument for god lmao. All you have to acknowledge is force and will (and knowledge) exists. So it's not that I don't understand the point, its that he doesn't know what he is talking about. And brave of you to assume that my dragons are fire breathing. Or that they have wings. The chinese sure as hell didn't. That is kinda the point, people do not have the same concepts because they do not have the same perspectives! Which is exactly the idea Zahabi does not understand. The greeks and the romans and the norse had a pantheon (even judaism was a pantheon back in the day), and they had a brutal concept of what their gods wanted (war, amongst other things). Even the hindu religion have a pantheon of sorts. So not everyone and everything has the same concept of the divine, and JUST because you can conceptualize something doesn't mean it immediately exists. Which is again, the idea that Zahabi is proposing. Not for everything, but for god specifically.

​@@saugatmanandhar6473but if you believe there's a will in this universe, then you believe this universe is not a coincidence. There's a reason why sam harris proposed that the self is an illusion, because to accept a will in the universe necessitates an agency, which is blasphemous for atheism, who thinks we are just blind random matter.

The will comes from WITHIN YOU. The universe is completely indifferent and could not give a flying fuck about some piece of dirt. How much of the universe you can turn to YOUR WILL is also within you. In essence, the theistic desire purpose exists because you are incapable of creating it yourself, so you look outwards. But the truth is, you are building a castle in sand.

​@@saugatmanandhar6473 This is not his argument

Just because that you dont believe or follow Almighty GOD doesn’t mean that you have no god, you’ll take on other things as your god. What he says is that people who claim to be atheists think that there isnt a god but deep in them they do believe but just choose not to submit or follow.

Super underrated. He is one of the reasons why I make time for Philosophy.

A donkey eating its hay is also “unbothered and indifferent” until you take its hay away.

What is your God?

He wasn't preaching anything. He was speaking from a philosophical perspective.

Go on.

First of all he is talking about convincing someone of the existence of god. It’s important to understand that’s it’s first independent from any religion. So if he convinced an atheist who claims there is no god, of the existence of (a) god, the discussion can go on. Than he can start telling why the concept of Islam. BTW the god in Islam and Christianity is the same. Have a good one.

the specific God is based on theology, but accepting a God is apriori

What is your God?

What you mean by a different God? Logically there can only be One; The Creator of everything!!! oh well atheists aren’t that different from pagans so it would explain why you would think there are many “gods” 🥱

which four?

You should rename yourself mr.sophistry

Read the quran ❤️❤️

This dude Firas very intelligent

What do you belive in?

You mean like atheists of china who are forcing countries close to them into communism 😂 huh? Or atheists aren’t on that list 😏

We despise you too 😌

You don't have evidence without God, thats the point

Everybody believes in somethings without substantial evidence In fact I would say the western narrative is mostly a perception of evidence. And not does it use it to damage lives Just think wmd and iraq Think viruses and Jabs Think big pharma eg heart disease Think Ukraine/ Russia narrative Yes we should despise these liars we ho destroy lives without substantial evidence.

That's why you need to realize that sourceof knowledge isn't just from our senses. When we're lack of ability to use our physical senses, then we need to use other approaches such as logical or intuition approach. Philosophy has helped us alot !

Read the Quran

The problem here is you do not understand his argument, before you understand the meaning of the word God, you already know God, the only reason you are able to recognise the meaning of God, is because you have experienced God, Your assertion here is that you do not need to experience God in order to discuss God, your assertion has no evidence to back it, n fact what firas is saying right now is refuting your point. A blind man cannot discuss or understand the concept of colour with someone as they have never experienced colour, they could regurgitate what they have heard other people say but they would never be able to understand it or talk about it in a meaningful way If someone is born in an anarchist society, and you discuss government with them, the only reason they could understand what government is is by taking from things they have experienced in real life, and putting them together to get the idea of a government, but they will not have a true understanding or idea of government. For example, they understand their idea of order and power and laws, from places where they have experienced them being done, although not in the setting of a government, they can understand it. Your point is as follows, I can discuss a person about captain america, although he doesn't exist and I have never experienced him, I can still discuss him, here is the problem with oyur argument, captain america, is a culmination of things we have experienced, being altered by our mind We see experience strength, then multiply it and give it to captain america we know what the colour blue looks like, what armour looks like, what clothes look like, so we can put together what he might look like But we cannot discuss a fictional character, who is essence is made up of parts a human has never seen heard touched felt of experienced, I would not be able to explain and discuss that fictional character to you as I cannot compare it to anything you have experienced. for example, here I have retying retying has 500 ert ert is tryipon + erting I cannot explain any of those terms using anything in the english language as there is nothing in the language to express what those qualities I mentioned are , the only way i could is by using other things from object I am talking about. Why? because you have never experienced it. The fact I can discuss God, this one complete all powerful perfection and complete definiteness with you, is proof you have experienced God, because nothing in our experience, other than God, has embodied these characteristics, nor can anything be compared to it The fact a blind atheist can discuss God with you is proof that they have experience God in some way

@@AM-bm9rs Thanks Akhi for explaining it because I had similar question in mind. JazakaAllah.

@@AM-bm9rs man jazakalALLAH i didn't undertand it in a video even tho it hard for me to get over my head such kind of logics like this yet your type of writting make me understand the whole concept

@@aymanclasher1591 s Dude he put energy to bring arguments and all you can do is just reply with " read Quran"? Isn't it Haram what you did?

for real man that was a terrible argument. Following that logic, if anything's talked about enough where you have an understanding of what people mean by the concept makes you a believer in that concept.

I can only agree.

@@nplusplus That was not his argument, you are saying, If I discuss a concept with you, you must believe in that concept, that is a complete misunderstanding of his argument. He is saying, if you discuss a concept, the fact that you understand the meaning behind that concept, means in some way you have experienced that concept. Anything I discuss with you, you have in experienced in some sort of way. All falsehood, is not actually false in and within itself, there is no such thing as true falsehood, because that would mean it doesm't exist, and you cannot discuss something that doesn't exist in any sort of way shape or form, as you would have no way to understand it or comprehend it, a All falsehood is, is a mixture of different truths put together, to get the wrong understanding For example you believe a mirage, is actually water, now that belief is false, and discussing that belief doesn't mean you believe it, but, that statement is an acknowledgment of multiple things, 1.That water exists, and looks a certain way, 2.That there is an object or thing in front of you, that resembles water Now when a person acknowledges those 2 things, then he concludes, that because it resembles water, it must be water, he has made an assumption, that is falsehood, meaning he has conflated 2 true things which contradict each other, or do not exist in its true sense, the mirage is not water, but he has assumed that, and me discussing that with you, doesn't mean you believe the mirrage is water either, but the fact you understand, what a mirage is, in that it is a object that resembles water, and that water looks a certain way, means you have acjnowledged that water exists and you experienced it, and you understand that something exists that resembles water. in the same way, when you discuss God(specifically the one described in Islam, as the Christian one is anthropomorphised), your are admitting to understanding this concept of God, yet having never experienced anything like God in the tangible existence, you are acknowledging you have experienced God. Your counter may be, that we see a characteristic, such as knowledge, then we multiply and project that, saying God is the most knowledgable, therefore we didnt experience God, we experienced knowledge then made that into God, now for other conceptions of God in other religions, where God has been conflated with material characteristics, such as beign a man, this would make sense but for the Islamic conception of God, which is this one divine perfection, this undeniable definite truth, nooone has experienced in the material universe, yet everyone has experienced it, whether they realise it or not, in fact they experience it every second

He hasn't said anything particularly different to what many philosophers have said before. You can look at his explanation as combination of the first premises of the ontological arguments (we know god as we can think of him) and plato's understanding of the forms.

​@@farahshah3072he should stick to fighting

Read the Quran

@@aymanclasher1591 everyday thanks for the advice and encouragement bro

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Read the quran

He is above the skies . And he is more than dad He is your creator

That is the truth of it all But unfortunately they don’t want to give that claim any attention As it tears apart the idea of higher beings looking over us Religion was purely as a means to help explain why things are the way they are It was never intended to be used as a means of law as it is in some places

You still fail to explain how this universe came from nothing and why it's ordered the way it is and of course why exactly are we having this conversation to begin with if we are not to comprehend a god . No my friend you know that order and intelligence must come from order and intelligence this is your fitra and that is how life going . Understanding god is through his revelation not by your tiny little mind however you choose to ignore it and just go in a circular argument

@@omarhafez3252 Just because we are yet to understand the totality of all physical phenomena through science including the origins of the universe does not provide a proof for divine origin. If you are making the assertion that the universe and everything encompassesed within is a result of divinity it's your responsibility to prove it. You can't say that for us to live in what we perceive as order and to have intelligent life we must come from intelligent life. You've only gone and run into the argument from change by asserting that intelligent life requires an intelligent pre-cursor. Because if it takes sentience to create sentience then how did sentience come to be? You can't get any more circular than that.

@@kwisatzhaderach9087 you prove my point and firas's point again and again you either worship science or yourself and human capacity to understand everything again and again. However, in your above statement you said that your consciousness is not advanced enough to unravel a higher consciousness. Lots of contradictions my friend and circular arguments because simply you don't want to accept the obvious

@@kwisatzhaderach9087 and yes sentience requires sentience and how sentience come to be is simple it was always there 😀

Read Quran ❤️❤️

indeed, this is the problem when you try to frame god or the trascendental principle as the substratum of everything that exist, be that conciousness or "being" you end up with suc ha strong distinction between our "subjective world" and the "objective true", that you end up needing a "revelation" to justify why all of the sudden this supreme objective thing all of the sudden has a lot of subjective opinions and actions, "this food is bad", "this people need to dress this way", "this place must be ours" "this war is just while this other one isn't" etc, all of the sudden the trascendental principle outside the subjective realm have a cultural and geopolitical aspect on his ever trascendental existence

@@odalchiszaratutu6793 It isnt a subjective opinion, it is the truth, you are the one projecting your subjective opinion onto God claiming they have a subjective opinion

God is angry, has a shin, is a he, is not limiting God

I’m more interested in the dudes belief that atheists do not exist And he bases that off of “because it’s a choice” That’s not a reason or an argument and it doesn’t deal with the claim Atheists do very much exist There are studies regarding the estimated amount in the world And that number is growing as religion continues to show its own hypocrisy

Surely all religions are calling to God but they may have different conditions/attributes? God as in the creator of the universe. The uncaused cause. For me Islam makes the most sense in that it calls to one God. No partners or offspring. The only other religion that has that would be Judaism but I don't know much about that.

Why don't you go ahead and explain how the universe came from nothing. I'll wait. Feel free to reference "A Universe from Nothing" as well. An absolute joke of a book by a joke of a so called physicist.

@@cdb5001 because there is a universe doesn‘t mean someone created it, also i don‘t know much about religion but can you tell me how god came to exist?

@@liamhug that's the thing about causality and science. Even the Big Bang Theory is inexplicable. There is a 'singularity' which set all of it in motion, and scientists cannot explain what this singularity is or how it propelled the big bang. As for religion, I'm not religious so not sure what you want me to say here.

@@cdb5001 not being able to explain something sufficiently is not evidence of a skydaddy or skyaddies. We do not know yet is the correct answer. Not an invisible being in the sky who grants wishes and created humans to worship him/her/it whatever you want to call your skydaddy. When you say I do not know yet then and only then are you ready to learn. It is intellectually lazy to lay it off on an invisible being in the sky and it is disgusting to force others to live by an unjust set of rules laid out by a human trafficking pedophile that claimed his skydaddy told him it was ok to fuck the slave girl even if it upset his wives. A fairly safe rule of thumb is to stay away from any doctrine that gives the leader more sexual partners and relaxed rules for sex partners than the others... Islam is disgusting. Plain and simple. These guys sit int he west and enjoy all that we have to offer but cling to barbaric nonsense. If Islam is so great then go live in an Islamic country. Why are you in the West?

This is a reflection of your ignorance

Read the Quran

@@aymanclasher1591 I did

I am sorry to hear about your disease… I wish for you all the best in your future endeavors ….. there are two ways now , first - it’s either you don’t know what the real definition of God is, maybe for you call “it” or believe in what is called nature , higher power , the universe etc (those names are describing God btw)or secondly , you don’t believe in the God that most people portray example An All loving God or An All merciful God…. Meaning You don’t believe that God has the attributes or features that most religion claim…… 🌹

What is God?

I think these are the simple points: 1. It’s impossible for a person to deny something that they oppose. 2. If you oppose that thing it means you already have some association to it or point of reference. 3. This means you have some beliefs about it or at the very least some knowledge of it. 4. That alone denotes its existence. 5. That makes you in opposition to said thing and not in denial of its existence. This was the argument - denial of existence. I agree philosophy can seem like it’s going in circles but it’s more like layered circles and that can sound confusing. The argument here is well defined and connected.

@@tranquility8928 Saying that story of noah is true cause the quran or the bible said it or My book said it then it's true is what i was talking about i can go further with him give me proof of mohamed israa and maaraj or give me a proof that he existed .The only proof is quran this is a cirucular argument fallacy he doesn't believe in atheism . Atheism is just word that describ a position (person A don't believe in a god X ) cause there is no proof of the existence and a book full of fairy tales is not a proof

We would have to examine the book and include in that examination the other books (Bible, Torah) of monotheistic foundations. But the main takeaway here is that in order to examine anything, we would have to be willing to seek and only accept what’s true. That’s means we would have to be prepared for our current ideas or position to either be false or expanded upon. We only need to explore in search of what’s true without any other motivation.

Either way whatever anyone chooses for themselves or believes is within their right to choose. We don’t need to force or coerce people to accept what we believe. We can simply accept everyone has a right to choose whatever they want for themselves.

there is nothing circular with his explanation of why there are no atheist

*Muslim; yes he is a muslim

@@ga4214 Correction not really necessary.

I bet you have seen its image. Can you imagine an animal called Lartivaska? Google if you want.

when you said unicorn, you are imagining a horse, wings, horn and combining it all in one. All of those things you have seen separately and you can imagine them all together. Without knowing what these 3 basic things are, you won't be able to make sense of the word "unicorn"

Thats his point actually: unicorn is a complicated idea from two simple ideas a horse and a horn, when two simple ideas are combined you get a complicated idea that doesn’t exist Heres another example can you imagine a golden mountain? Of course you can since you have experienced gold and a mountain so you can combine the two Hope you got his point

@@ga4214 His point is dumb. He is combining various ideas to create the concept of God.

@@harinair3881 watch the video, you clearly didn’t understand a thing, atheists man 😪

i think it is very logical

@@commandar88 How? If i ask you about aliens, and you have a perception in your head of what aliens might be, that means that aliens are real? According to this logic, it is. ''Oh, you understand what i mean when i say god? That must mean that you were born with that understanding.'' ???

@@sigurd2498 aliens? What the hell are you on about? On a side note you never heard of Fitrah from first principles?

@@sigurd2498 Firstly, it is important to make the distinction between that which is real (which is what you said in your comment) as opposed to existence (which is what Zahabi was asked to prove, 0:06 in the clip). You have not defined 'reality'. The concept of 'aliens' exists, often children are exposed to this through tv shows or sci-fi novel. Adults may also understand this term to mean life in the universe. However, if you imagine a child who has never been exposed to any understanding of 'aliens' he/she will not comprehend what you are saying nor will you be able to discuss with them about it. On the other hand, the existence of a God the Creator, can be understood by children, even those who have never been socialised into a religion. Check out research conducted by Justin Barett (Oxford university) where this is proven.

@@farahshah3072 I severely doubt that a child who hasnt heard any mention of god will have a concept of god. I will check out the research of course, thanks for the tip!

waawaa why can't I SEE GOD -you

Nothing is based on a total evidence we just have bits and pieces of puzzles which make up the image , make sure to gather the pieces.

if I have faith about a science even though i never looked into the evidence, does that make science false? I think you will find a flaw in your thinking

I see what you’re saying here. Faith is acceptance of the unknown and things you can’t see. But Faith is actually based on evidence. You may have experiences where you’ve been told to “Just believe” and that’s not how it goes. That is a very premature request when the intellect of the heart and mind haven’t been convinced at all. In reality faith is founded upon what is known from an evidence-based approach and then having faith in what is completely unknown is second to that. If we were to put a percentage on it it would be approx. 90% evidence-based (yes 90), and only 10% percent unknown. Conviction in faith is about certainty in the evidence. This is why the first step is to start questioning what is being said or presented with the objective of seeking truth. Truth is never afraid of being questioned. Falsehood, on the contrary crumbles when questioned. So maybe consider questioning with intent to find out what’s true and what’s false while being prepared to have your current understanding expanded upon or corrected.

@@AscendedBeyond 🤭

Read the quran you will find the truth yourself

@@aymanclasher1591 And what truth that is?

u prove his point