+Image-Line Is ableton better?

+Kishor Hembram No.

***** awhoops

+SoulAssassinz36 I've been having that same problem too, I can't figure it out either. Someone please shed light on this. +SeamlessR

Disable all your sound enhancements within windows and what ever music media program you are using. Everything should sound same after that. ASIO4ALL doesn't enhance the sound at all. Let me know if this clears it up

The imported song INSIDE the FL timeline sounded WORSE than the WAV file I have on my PC. That's the core problem. Any fixes?

yes,, Better keeping both of them same

***** An audio file rendered out of any DAW will have the same maximum level and be interpreted the same way as a file from any other DAW.

+SeamlessR Processors got faster. It used to take Literally forever. They're are rumors of people still rendering to this day.

Sam Here's a tip for mixing: When I start a track, I usually don't mix anything for a while. After 10 minutes to an hour of starting off the track, I'll mix it. 1. Start by solo EQing everything. 2. Turn all the faders down. 3. Start turning them back up, starting with the kick. Turn the kick up until it's about -6dB on the master. 4. Turn the snare up, the hats, then everything else. 5. Utilize EQ to clean up anything you can't hear. If your snare's lowest audible frequency is 200Hz, then why should there be anything lower than that? 6. Feel free to add any effects (Saturation, compression, EQ) but only if the sound needs it, or you feel you could make the sound sound better. Going off of this is good because when you add in new sounds you can just turn them all the way down, then slowly bring it back up until it fits. A tip for mastering: 1. EQ the mixdown. High pass it at 30Hz, Low pass it at 16-20kHz. This prevents DC offset and aliasing. DC offset is inaudible but can affect compressors. Aliasing is explained in this video. 2. Multiband compress it. Compress the low end, add slight saturation. Compress the mids, add some strong saturation. Compress the highs, add full extreme saturation. Then, saturate the master band and turn the levels up/down until it sounds right.

IanStarGem Hey thanks so much! I'll copy your comment into a notepad and save it. I wasn't expecting a response from anyone let alone this much info.

Sam Alright lol, glad I could help. If you have any other questions just let me know. ;p Btw, I could add you to a producer group where you can post tracks (WIP or finished) and we'll critique them. The group hasn't been active lately though so new members are appreciated as always! let me know if you want to join.

IanStarGem oh yeah totally. is it a skype group?

Sam We have a skype group but it's mainly on google+

you need to run it thru a limiter or a compresser

***** to get back on that: I rendered a loop of my track on 512-point sinc and the same loop on 64-point sinc. when reversing the polarity, they don't cancel eachother out: there's a difference. but I can't really tell the difference by hearing.

***** the resampling quality only matters on recorded samples that have frequencies higher than the nyquist limit (half the sample rate). sometimes it sounds better, most of the time the differences are only noticeable when you do something like the polarity test to see if there are differences. 2 point linear will do no anti aliasing at all. It does not affect the quality of anything else.

SeamlessR I get it, thanks!

+SeamlessR Bro quick all the fucking smacking in ya vids go spit or something fr shit annoying u know your shit but I can't deal hearing all that

+NflJonBoy Run it through a "I'm too sensitive" filter.

has to do with your computer hardware. you need an upgrade

i just want to jam the beat i made on my phone

try drop box

+Jacob Doehner but it runs fine, I have an iMac that I recently bought and it's i5 and has 8gb ram. when I'm using the software everything is running smoothly and the beat sounds fine, no sound of distortion nothing, it's only once I've exported my song and I then play it in iTunes it sounds distorted

***** I knew it felt like I was talking out of my ass. In this instance I'm pretty sure it's dbfs. I'm not actually sure at all about the +1600 db figure either. The basic idea is that relative to what you're used to with 24 bit, your headroom is so far beyond anywhere you're likely to reach without actively trying.

SeamlessR Fellow guy (recently started building a DIY modular, so I have kinda fresh knowledge in terms of audio and the like) Basically, dB is the ratio of two power levels. For amplitude, 1 dB is 20*log(10)A2/A1. That means 6dB means the other signal is 2x louder than the first one. 20dB means it is 10x louder. You can go other way round, -6dB is half the volume, -20dB is 1/10th the volume. The higher ratios you are, the less dBs you need to add to add the same amount, just like frequencies in a logarythmic scale (think Parametric EQ2, lows and highs). That said, dB says just about the ratio. You need to refer it to something. In digital the reference is digital 0dB, and the lowest point is -inf dB. Therefore everything has to be on minus (quieter than 0dB). Some common reference points outside of digital are 1 volt (dBV), square root of 0.6V (which is about 0.77V and makes dBu - that's what the analog VU meters visualize), sound pressure of 20 μPa (dB SPL - commonly used for mics and speakers), 1 mW of power (dBm), maximum amplitude which the device can use without clipping (dbFS, which you were talking about. It's also relative, and the value will vary between microphones and interfaces, each has different amount of headroom in which it can operate, so scales will be different as well). For fair comparison you'd need to use dB SPL, which will tell you about the pressure the sound makes on the air. If you record underwater it'll be relative again :D Also check out even more reference points here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel Hope I cleared something :)

Arkadiusz Rozmus So a digital file constantly peaking at 0db is basically the international standard for "as loud as possible"?

Teun Mathijssen they had to set a reference point, and they did as an upper limit. More or less yes, that's digital "as loud as possible". Bit depth says how many steps down you have till complete silence. SeamlessR (this might interest you, as you didn't really know what's going on with bit depth), the difference in amount of steps works like so: in 8 bit you have 2^8 steps (256), in 16-bit you have 2^16 steps (65 536), in 24-bit you have 2^24 steps (16 777 216), in 32-bit you have 2^32 steps (4 294 967 296). The last one clearly shows why 32-bit is just way too much and explains why nobody even tries 64-bit audio. Though even 65 536 steps is enough for a decent amount of dynamics and is used everyday, everywhere.

dont you hear any distortion in the playback

Justen Bray Nope. You only hear distortion if you clip the master. And I always make sure to put a hard limiter at -0.5 at the end of my signal path, so that clipping never happens. And as for whether the "sound quality" is good enough, listen to your favorite CD's, and ask yourself if they sound crappy, because they too were rendered at 44.1 kHz, 16-bit, and have been for decades.

+ShalMusicFX i rendered a mp3 i heard mp3s always sound naturally bad

Justen Bray MP3's only sound bad if the bitrate is too low. Basically, MP3's are smaller than WAV's because they throw away information. However, you get to decide how much information gets kept. If you throw away too much, then yeah, it'll sound bad, but you'll also have a smaller file. On the other hand, if you keep more bits, your file size will be larger, but it'll sound better (and will still be smaller than a WAV file). As a rule, 160 kbps is the "minimum" for a decent MP3. Anything below that and you'll start to have noticeable quality issues. 256 kbps is pretty safe, while still being pretty small. 320 kbps (what I use) or higher is pretty much CD-quality, and 99% of people won't be able to tell that it's an MP3.

+ShalMusicFX yea true 320 kbps sounds better to me i 128 kbps sounds bad i can notice it

perhaps throw the vocals thru a limiter and see if maybe your not peaking out some where

Mandy Lane Better then every versions before :)

Darío Céliz Gómez wav

I have this same problem have your sorted it yet? I want my mixes to sound like they do when I'm playing back with ASIO. Sounds more punchy

Sadly nope :/ I stopped making songs cuz of that >_< made a few but im not able to render them correctly :|

i tried lowering the bit to 16 instead of 32 bit float. I find the 32 bit squishes the sound a bit try it

Imma try that out! tnx!

MrKassassin you can't hear the stuff about 16.5k, trust me.

Bollog Nyessy What do you mean? I KNOW I can, maybe you can't because it *greatly* varies between different people, and in humans age plays a big role, older people stop hearing higher frequencies :(, and I'm still pretty young, I've heard many songs in 128kbps and they sound way deeper than 320kbps, and I've tried low passing .wavs to make sure, and it still didn't sound as bright.

BenbanksTV fuck you bitch I learned plenty from other videos