The Kenobi video is next.

The actress who plays Cecile must have some kind of dirt on the showrunners for her to be in the show this much

Fun fact: on the Brazilian dub, they forgot to edit out flash's Brazilian voice actor saying "look at this shit dialogue". Even the VAs are tired of this shit lmao

When flash said “time to flash” and started flashing everybody, it brought a tear to my eye

22:27 I’m surprised you didn’t mention how in season two, Joe literally immediately shot at Harry three times because he thought he was Thawne. It’s a massive leap to think Joe doesn’t want Thawne dead lmaoo

Not only does the fabric of time and space use earth’s time telling system, but it also uses central city’s time zone apparently

Hope your grandma recovers before flash season 9...

I have a theory that Cecil isn't a empath anymore but she wants to convince everyone that she still is so she usually points out the obvious to pretend she still has it

Thawne's ability to negate being erased from existence stems from the comics where he is a living paradox basically making him immune to any timeline changes he or anyone causes to himself. Now the issue is, if you didn't know this then thawne existing past season one makes no form of sense and the way the show tries to handle it only makes it more confusing.

Every year, the CW surprises me with how little quality control they actually have.

Every time you show a clip from The Boys you remind us all of how that show is on a complete different level than The Flash.

Cecile sensing stuff got so old so quick, she sensed stuff that the viewers are clearly aware of but i guess it’s important that she states what the character was feeling even tho we’re smart enough to figure it out, someone could get shot and Cecile would say “i’m sensing your pain since you got shot” it was so poorly done, do children write this show?

Well Eric Wallace, the guy who came onto the show as a writer for multiple episodes in S4, became an executive producer in S5, and became the prime and only showrunner in S6, did say that he wants young people to watch the show at DC Fandome for S7. I'm pretty certain by now that what he really meant was little children, maybe up to 12 year olds.

So Thawn’s motivation is basically at the level of Mr. Nobody from Doom Patrol, except in that show it was actually treated as the joke that it was

His motivation in the reveal isn't even accurate. In the comics he used to idolize Barry and went back in time to meet his idol after doing a bunch of very illegal shit to get his powers. After going through all of these loops to make it happen, he learns that he becomes his arch nemesis and it drives him insane. But his reason for not killing Barry and killing his mother instead was because he knows that if he does HE WON'T FUCKING EXIST. That's why he goes out of his way to ruin Barry's life, because he felt cheated by his hero and time itself. This whole, "I want to be faster so I can save more people," thing is original to the show and stupid. I don't know how/why they messed up such an easy motivation for the sake of being different from the comics

Thawne is like William Afton at first everybody found it interesting now they always come back in a more absurd way

The thing that makes the whole saving eobard thing make even less sense is that Joe in season 2 legit tried to murk Harry wells just by proxy of sharing his face. So him being the one to try and talk down Barry is werider.

I actually love how Thawne keeps becoming pettier and pettier as the show goes on. He isn't the cold and calculated mastermind that he desperately wants people to think he is.

Am I the only one who thinks that Eddie should've just shot the reverse flash while his back was turned. If it worked on Barry, Savitar and zoom then I'm sure it would've worked on the reverse flash but I guess they had to get rid of Eddie somehow for Barry and Iris to get together.

fun fact: the Mach 20 speed that barry needs to reach in season 7 would be around 20 thousand miles per hour. Barry moved faster than a bolt of lightening in season 1. Thunderbolts travel at around 270 thousand miles per hour. So much for becoming faster each season.

Since they introduced the multiverse almost immediately in season 2, all they really had to do in later seasons was say "this Thawne that you erased is from your timeline, this here Thawne comes from the multiverse version that defeated and erased his Barry from existence; he found out about the multiverse, couldn't accept his parallel-self's failure and decided to conquer other worlds". Make it apparent slowly, drop hints in the subsequent seasons until you decide to drop the show, and in the finale of finales you send Barry to fix the Thawne-won version of the Earth.

The thawne paradox you talk about at the start would've been so easy for the writers to fix. They introduce the multiverse in flash season 2, have the legends of tomorrow thawne come from earth 2, get stranded, and then decide to go fuck with the legends. That way the events of season 1 still happen.

It seemed like the writers main goal since season 5 has been...."How little can we use Barry and focus on everyone else without pissing off the audience?"

You know what could’ve been an interesting origin story for how Thawne grew to hate Barry? Have Thawne explain that he wanted to be a speedster because he saw the way The Flash did things as flawed. The Flash didn’t kill and he thought that if he was a speedster he could show everyone how easier things would be if the criminals who committed crimes were simply removed from society. However once he got his speed and started saving the day his way, people inherently knew that it was wrong for one man to be judge jury and executioner. However instead of changing his mind, he instead decided that people not liking his methods must only be because The Flash is around doing things differently. So in this case his hatred for The Flash is fueled by his own ideals and not petty jealousy. Or maybe that would suck just as much idk I’m not a screenwriter.

Flash, Season 8 was definitely one of the Flash seasons of all time

I'm surprised you didn't say much about Caitlin resurrecting Frost, which really annoyed me. The plot just fully character assassinates Caitlin in numerous ways that seriously makes Dr. Strange look like the smartest character alive in No Way Home. I mean, the premise is her bringing back someone, which was a big mistake she should've learned from Deathstorm. What's worse she even tries to tempt Barry into bringing back his parents, which just sounds like what a villain says. People seem to hate on Scarlet Witch being a villain in MOM. But her turn at least had a believable foundation and set up with the Darkhold. The problem is her being a villain was underwhelming since it's right after her development in Wandavision. Say what you will, but her turn was miles better than whatever Caitlin just did this season.

Ryan's speech about love being just a chemical thing feels weird. This *is* Ryan Choi, Paragon of Humanity, who had a wife and daughter during Crisis, right?

The thing about the Flash that makes me the most frustrated is the wasted potential with every story. Every season Eric Wallace has directed I've only loved because of the concepts. (The death of the speed force, the Godspeed war, the introduction of three new forces, etc.) Shit like that sounds so fun on paper and yet the Flash finds a way to do the lamest versions of every story it presents each time. It doesn't help that Eric Wallace doesn't look at any online Flash stuff. He lives in a bubble that ultimately makes any criticisms the fans have about the show null and void.

I love how stiff the suits are. It made me laugh for so long seeing the reverse flash waddle around because, how tf can they run so fast in a suit that is about as flexible as a 2x4

In case anyone is wondering, there is a Marvel Universe equivalent to this kind of badly written villain. He's an X-Men enemy named Stryfe. He's also come back to life multiple times after being killed and his motivation is just as silly. He hate Cable (his brother) and his father Cyclops for loving Cable more than him. Sheev, you should do a video showing why Eobard on the show is a bad villain using the The Joker in The Dark Knight as a comparison.

25:26 And you know what? That’s pretty much exactly how he’s used in the comics. The writers had the blueprint right in front of them and just went “nah I don’t really feel like it!” ARGH!!! 25:46 And this would have been SO cool! Smh

Seasons can start strong easy. The real test of each season comes in the second half. They can either fail to keep the threat from the start of the season going strong enough to be interesting in the second count or fail to introduce a secondary threat to wrap up the season to match the threat that took place in the first half of the season.

"The fact that season 1 shouldn't of been POSSIBLE is kinda a hilarious way to start off your story" IT IS LOL

It really is a shame. Thawne deserves so much better than what the writers have made him into. I honestly just feel bad for him, going from one of the most amazing villains in the arrowverse, to being as derpy as the rest of the flash nowadays 😔

I’m not sure if he already said this in the video but it feels infuriating they couldn’t use the original face instead of Tom Cavanaugh. This became noticeable in the Earth-X crossover ongoing.

I stopped watching Flash quite a while ago, but this reveal of motivation makes even less sense seeing as Matt's Eobard already revealed his motivation in the season 2 episode. It's basically him telling Flash that he went back in time to meet his idol only to learn that he is destined to be his Reverse. Season 8 can only be explained as Eobard being crazy or literally a different person entirely. Do keep in mind that Flash season 2 Matt's Eobard is the youngest we've ever seen thus being before the stupid Matt/Tom split.

I'm definitely one of those "thanks for saving me from wanting to watch this" fans. Flash is one of my alltime favorite characters. Always tied with Green Lantern for my favorite super hero. I will say despite the shows downfalls I do think Grant Gustin has done a hell of a job wearing the many suits, not looking too goofy, and capturing the vibe I get from Barry Allen. I'm weird and wish they made him go blonde but that's just a style thing. Great video as always man

I seriously laughed out loud at joe yelling at Barry and iris about letting thawne die

why didn’t they just go the comic route where Thawne is a living paradox and thats why he cant die no matter what

Every time I heard the term "Level Up", or Cecile said "feel" or "sense" this season I wanted to burn down a building with myself inside it

I don't even watch the show anymore, I just watch videos like this which talk and rip into the show because it's infinitely more enjoyable. (Great vid btw keep it up)

Joe even tried to kill earth 2 Harry the second he saw him by shooting him, thinking he was Eobard in season 2, so I don’t see why they’d change him like that

watching this as someone who doesn't watch The Flash, just feels like an acid trip

The whole 'how does Thawne exist after season 1' to me could have had a simple explanation in season 2 that I initially thought they were setting up, but they never followed through with. As you mentioned had Thawne never existed season 1 and all of the events prior to it such as the death of Barry's mother would never have happened, which is why him being erased caused the whole interdimensional rift/black hole/whatever at the end of season 1, but in the season 2 premiere they stop it from destroying their universe. By stopping it and saving their universe they just needed to say the Reverse Flash clearly isn't erased anymore, they all still remember him, Barry's mother was still murdered by him, so just have someone say something like 'Eddie killing himself would have erased Thawne and thus our universe, but because we stopped our universe from being erased we therefore stopped Thawne from being erased'. That's a pretty clear cut explanation that makes sense, and seeing as the Thawne we meet in season 2 is an earlier version of him just say that Eddie's actions now resulted in Thawne dying rather than being erased. The Thawne we saw in season 1 was clearly towards the end of his rivalry with Barry, he said they've been enemies for years, so just have every version we see afterwards be his younger self who isn't concerned with getting back home and is focused solely on ruining Barry's life, so by the end of the show we've caught up to the character we see in season 1. The whole thing with Reverse Flash constantly dying and coming back was addressed in the Rebirth comics in a hilarious way after his skeleton is found at the start of Doomsday Clock. His skeletal remains are in a morgue, then a narration basically says 'he's a living paradox so he'll always come back' as his body regrows and comes back to life. It's so lazy but I also kind of appreciate that writer saying 'fuck it, he'll always come back who cares why or how'. Either way its a shame because if they kept up the quality of the first season and used him more sparingly, Thawne could have and should have been terrifying in every appearance he was in much like Homelander in the Boys, just a completely unhinged and all powerful monster.

"Somehow... thawne returned"

Yo the face rip was straight out of the comics and i love that they even attempted it.

Their origin isn’t too far off from comics Eobard Thawne though. He’s petty, and he wants to be the Flash but he’s destined to be the opposite. That realization breaks him and he then devotes his life to ruining Barry’s life. They definitely could’ve come up with a better scenario in the show though than Barry “stealing the spotlight”. I agree that it was a pretty lame origin story but it does highlight how much of a sociopath he is at least.

Savitar doesn’t even make sense because for savitar to exist they had to commit like 8 character suicides. The reason savitar exists it because apparently he was a remnant a “disposable hero” he says and team flash rejecting him because he wasn’t the ‘real Barry’ while in an earlier season in a climax of a fight a remnant sacrifice’s itself and they clearly cared about it. So the creation of savitar is bull crap

This show is still on the air? I clocked out at season 4 and I was being patient. Kind of sad this show still brings in viewers. At what point do people stop? I’m gonna guess this show will end at season 10

I JUST WATCHED THE PREVIOUS EPISODE OF THIS YESTERDAY! WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!

The time travel logic in armageddon feels like someone in the writing team watched the mcu Used it's time travel logic but forgot that's not how time travel works on the flash

9:05 I always found his plan stupid Because if he kills kid barry he never becomes the flash meaning eobard never becomes the reverse flash meaning he never travels back in time to kill barry And him deciding to kill Barry's mom so he wouldn't becomes the flash doesn't make any sense because him losing his mom doesn't mean he never gets his powers and just gives him a motivation to become a hero In the comics his motivation makes a lot more sense See he knows he can't kill barry so he fucks with his life like pushing him down some stairs erasing his friends so he's more lonely a lot of other shit and of course killing his mom

When you’ve been waiting all year for this.

IMO, the reason season 1 is so good, is the fact that the flash only just having powers justifies situations where he doesn’t necessarily do the smart thing, and the jokes are still pretty good to me, but after that first season I can’t justify anything else the flash does, since he should have no excuses to not instantly win against non speedsters.

Can i just say that if Cecile's dialogue pattern changed from: "I'm sensing a whole lot of grief from you." to something like: *eyes narrow as she walks closer* "... you're grieving." Then I could forgive it far more

the whole "joe angry eboard dying" my guy, joe was the only one to think that barrys dad was innocent, he literally wanted thawne dead as much as barry

At this point The Flash TV-Show overused Eobard Thawne as a major villain as much as Lucifer from Supernatural. And that is terrible!

I always thought it was clear that the RF that went off to fight the Legends was a displaced remnant pulled from Flashpoint and not the one from the main timeline. Haven’t seen Flash s8 or Legends s7, so idk how they try to explain it, I just always thought it was obvious.

People who literally said that this season was a return to form have no idea what they were talking about. Seasons 1-3(Yes, 3 included, despite that season’s issues)actually made you care about what was happening with the cast as well as the overall events and the stakes that were in place. Seasons afterwards with I guess the exception of season 4(and the first half of season 6 with the Bloodwork arc), I don’t give a shit anymore. I’ve watched season 7 and 8 of this series with the mindset of “I do not care anymore. This show means almost nothing to me like it used to”. And I still feel like that. Because this show’s writing, storytelling, character drama, and just overall atmosphere doesn’t feel the same anymore. I don’t get excited for this show. I just turn it on to see how this shit will eventually end. I hope season 9 is this show’s last.

37:33 Love the Cosmonaut Reference.

The acknowledgment of that having to go at Mach 20 will destroy the whole world also ignores the Speed Force Aura that all Speed Force users have that protects them and the environment around them when they are running at high speeds.

God damnit I love these. “Trash Flash Hour” is like Christmas came early.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see the series end with Barry waking up from a 10 season nightmare coma lol

"The grace of a semi-truck barreling through a minefield" 🤣

The people who think that this season is somehow a comeback for the series is completely delusional and should get help.

So many flashbacks! So glad someone acknowledged it, like every episode had a flashback to previous seasons or even episodes of that same season

I was actually wheezing after reading this video's title when it popped up in my recommended.

In the comics Reverse Flash is immune to time manipulation. He's a living paradox that can't be effected. Him coming back makes sense because that's how ir was in the comics until Barry changed it by erasing his memory of him. His story about being obsessed with flash is actually sad

Season 2: *Joe literally opens fire with a fucking handgun when he sees someone who LOOKS like Thawne* Season 8: "wE hAvE tO sAVe eVERyoNe"

It's flashing time

This dude has really opened eyes and made me realize things that I thought about but ignored. Well it still had some good things about it. Actually what I call a great season is that it's worth re watching such as S1 S2 and and a bit of S3

23:28 oh my god this part fucking killed me, "IT'S ME AUSTIN, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG"

The irony of the fact that literally Armageddon and the negative forces could've all be prevented if barry had caught him in season 7. But no barry let him go and said "that's future us' problem"

20:00 I stopped watching after season 4 but from the 30 seconds I've seen of this chick she seems like an homage to the Team America empath girl, her observations are so obvious lmao

Villain of the week: "I am going to blow up central city" Cecile: **Empath sense** "This guy does not have good intentions"

(Love how the writer just forgot about joe immediately pulling the trigger on Harry when he thought it was thawne, yet then in this season had that whole debacle)

22:26 remember in season 2 when Joe walked into star Labs and immediately tried to shoot Harry because he thought he was thawne.

Actually the “no kill rule” is something that’s a thing all the way back in season 1. I don’t remember an exact example I can give you from S1 of the Flash, but in the crossover with Arrow (Brave and the Bold), they make it evident that he has a “no kill rule”

The first video KZfaq recommended from you and I’m happy it was

Thank you for bringing up the point of Barry having to run at Mach 20 to time travel that was so confusing and a headache for me to process. I remember in the earlier seasons he had to go to the Mach 7 or below, hell when he time travel by accident he wasn't going as fast as Mach 20

I'm sure someone has already mentioned it by now but the blue smoke thing is leftover from Season 6's Nash Wells, he gifted the tech to Allegra.

12:52 Ooh, didn't expect Snapcube Eggman showing up. What a plot twist.

32:10 The blue stuff is the teleporter balls Nash Wells had that he gave to allegra. (Nash used them a lot in season 6)

Barry letting Reverse Flash escape was worst then when Gohan got overconfident against Cell and Majin Buu

Joe says he wants to save thawne but in season 2 when he saw harry he instantly shot at him twice

20:20 I love how you wouldn't even need empathic powers in that scene to tell that he's sad-

Later on in the series they established that Thawne is a paradox and that he'll always be there in Barry's life no matter how many times he "dies"

i think part of the fandom reason for loving thawne so much is love for other versions of the character being able to bleed into the arrowverse version thanks to his time travel origin. how they managed to make his backstory lamer than even the comics is impressive. the comic backstory is, to summarize: thawne is from the distant future where the flash is a world famous hero in history. he worked at the flash museum and was the biggest fanboy the flash ever had. he fanboyed so hard he managed to figure out the flash's real identity through historical documents, and was as such able to figure out how he got his speed and replicate the procedure. the flash also ended up in the future at one point and gave him some hero advice, which slived in his head rent-free. he immediately made a suit resembling the kid flashes of the past and tried to be a hero, and went back in time to show off how good of a hero he's being, only to learn that not only was there already a kid flash in that era, not only did that kid flash get the same advice he once did in front of him, but the flash of that era had an arch-nemesis; himself. his mentality shattered upon this revelation, and he decided if he was destined to be the flash's worst enemy, he would do his best to live up to that title. he knew he couldn't kill the flash without erasing himself, so he set out to make barry's life as much of a hell as he could, starting with the death of barry's mother. as far as how he's immune to death, that too is tied to the comics. thanks to time travel shenanigans, he ended up as a living paradox, basically exempt from the idea of cause and effect. (he also became capable of killing barry without harming himself because of this if i recall, but nothing comes of it). he doesn't die because even if he dies, he can just keep going from a different point in his own personal timeline. if they want to keep thawne around, you'd think they would just introduce this concept into the arrowverse at some point. heck, make it a version of thawne that's sorta kinda the comics thawne, with this living paradox ability, and still a very willing antagonist just because it means he gets to continue making life hell for a barry allen.

I just...if I could create an alternate timeline where I kinda tweak seasons 1-3 but keep the general plots the same, I'd just end the show at the end of season 3. Barry takes his place in the Speed Force, leaving everyone he loves behind and making an actually meaningful choice for once. All these seasons have issues, yk, but those first three seem to honestly be the peak of content, as it just goes downhill from there.

When Thawn traveled back in time and killed Barrys mother he created a new timeline. However, he did not erase his own timeline meaning the Barry we saw failing to saving his mother is still alive and well but without his thawn. Now, by killing Eddie they created a paradox where the original than endlessly travels back in time to kill Barrys mother but every time he does he becomes a new version of Thawn meaning that before Noras thawn created Time Language every Thawn Barry encountered was a new thawn. Now that Time language exists is every time Thawn travels back in time to kill Barry he gets catapulted to the new timeline the show lives in and remembers all of his adventures with Barry. It is very confusing but this is how Thawn comes back different and yet the same every time.

32:05 I think that blue smoke stuff came from Nash Wells in season 6, I remember he used it once or something. I might be wrong but I think that's where it came from. So at least the writers remembered this, I guess.

On the topic of Thawne, I'd like to mention that his entire deal is that he is the REVERSE of Flash- He is always as fast as Flash, it's how his powers literally work. He should be tied, or stronger, than Flash PERMANENTLY, no matter how fast Flash gets.

You’re idea for how they should’ve done Thawne is what the comics did, and it’s VASTLY more interesting that anything this show did with Thawne after season 1

Season 8's the Most Inconsistent of the Show like There are Some Good Episodes but also alot of Bad Episodes and it's like Last Season where it's a Mixed Bag

the storyline you proposed at 25:42 is literally perfect rlly sad thats now it happened.

Return to form? Lol, no. Better than seasons 5, 6 and non-Crisis-centric season 7? I'd say absolutely. I loved that we got some more stories of just Barry and not much of the rest of the gang and that the Flash this time around was somewhat competent and enjoyed his speed more.

for the joe thing about wanting thawne to live, i feel like the writers wanted to include one person that actually wanted him to live, because if EVERYONE wanted him to die, then that would waste more opportunities to bring thawne back in season 9. they couldn't have chosen iris because then the show would get even more repetitive than it already is.

Honestly and i'm only speaking for myself and nobody else I still love the flash and for me season 8 again just in my opinion is on par with the first 3 seasons and don't get me wrong I agreed completely with everything you said about thwane being reused like the final arc when matt letscher came back was very interesting but other than thwane being worn out this season was pretty good and the finale battle with thwane was great but thwane in armageddon was poorly thoughout still loved the crossover but I do acknowledge it's flaws. I hope the flash makes it to 2024 just so we can see barry go back in time and save his kid self and set up the show.

7:04 what i think it means is that no matter what changes you make to the timeline a preservation or copy of yourself will always exist just to preserve the timeline. basically if you go back in time and kill your own grandpa your erased from the timeline except for the point in your life when you were back in time to kill your own grandpa. that is a timeline remnant the version of you that went back in time that cannot really be erased because it has to carry out the action to be erased so it can be erased everywhere else. the reason why thawne is able to come back is because the negative speedforce makes him immune to changes in the timeline he literally cannot be erased from existance from what has been said in essence he is a living paradox. however this only explains why he is still alive

Blue smoke is a teleportation grenade from nash