Ford FE 360 Tear Down! One Problem Hole.

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Matt Kubik

Matt Kubik

2 жыл бұрын

Today’s episode I tear down the engine from my harbor blue 69 F-250. We find out what’s up with the compression numbers and what the bores look like. Also find out if it’s ever been apart before.
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@danieljonhson6367
@danieljonhson6367 2 ай бұрын
I had a 1970 f100 360 3 on the tree it could hop over a coke can great engine.
@KellyVanHalen
@KellyVanHalen 2 жыл бұрын
I had to chuckle a little when you said you were just going to rebuild the heads and not mess with the bottom end… if the engine is out and on a stand I won’t sleep at night if it doesn’t get bearings, rings, and front and rear main seals… I’ve taken apart several of these and have found those yellow valve springs a few times… great video!
@propatriabellum
@propatriabellum Жыл бұрын
Great video! Just getting into my first FE restoration, and this is gold. Thanks.
@gregpeacock1794
@gregpeacock1794 2 жыл бұрын
Getting ready to pull a 460 out of my 79 for a rebuild ,wish i didn't have to but its time. Your videos are getting me inspired to get busy on it. Thanks!
@royportalise5269
@royportalise5269 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, thanks for the teardown. It's always fun to see internally the condition of any engine. My first engine teardown was a 289 I found left for dead in a dead end road back in the 80's. It wasn't repairable but I wanted to learn. I scrapped it for $5 at the scrapyard after I was done learning. I think I was 15 at the time.
@HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE
@HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Matt 🙂👍 Can't wait to see the engine all back together and painted up. Take care 🔧
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@steveashworth6707
@steveashworth6707 2 жыл бұрын
That's good no serious damage on the lower end!.
@brianhope5853
@brianhope5853 Жыл бұрын
The last 360 I had was in a '73 F100. It didn't have enough azz to blow itself apart. I tried 3 runs in first gear and the throttle floored. Finally gave up and pulled it. Replaced it with a 390 I had built from a scrap original 352 bored out to std 390 and other "scrap" parts that were donated by others. Turned out to be a solid runner for the next 4 years until I sold the truck.
@markcole6475
@markcole6475 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty clean motor to start with!
@stevenboyle6924
@stevenboyle6924 2 жыл бұрын
Like the new intro, Matt!!
@TheBonsaiZone
@TheBonsaiZone 2 жыл бұрын
A good days work Matt, really enjoying the series!!!
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you are enjoying it!
@drew9316
@drew9316 2 жыл бұрын
Like the new into. Another informative vid per usual! Any updates on the diesel mustang or plans?
@TheKeymaster316
@TheKeymaster316 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve really enjoyed the videos. Wasn’t sure if anyone had brought it up, but there’s a high-pitch sound in the video. Heard it on the one before this as well. On the phone it’s not too bad but on the TV it was quite loud. Not sure if it’s fixable but wanted to make you aware. Other than that, really enjoying the videos. 👍🏻
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
It’s probably my fan on the ceiling of the shop! I’ll try to remember to shut it off before I film
@TheKeymaster316
@TheKeymaster316 2 жыл бұрын
@@MattKubik1791 I had to make sure it was more than one video. I’ve abused my ears so much over the years, my ears already ring in the silence.
@morgansword
@morgansword 2 жыл бұрын
If you check the bore size on the fe blocks, your going to find that from I believe was all engines from 352 -406 used same bearing, piston and rods. It was the throw on the crank that determines the c.i. of engine. Those blocks were made in several different locations and the yellow spring was for the life of me I just don't remember. I loved working on those engines and have swapped pieces and parts since the late fifties when the 332 came out in 58. What is very important to look for according to my machinist was the engine blocks that had heavy cast ribs on the sides by the freeze plugs. They were thick enough castings to bore to I believe four and a quarter or 427. Oddly it was the throw on the 428 that give the larger engine c.i. as its smaller bore than the 427. I ran them in our 63 1/2 fairlanes on the track. Yeah I am old and so my information is all over the place and not even accurate but best of my memories ability. The standard blocks were a heavy casting alright but those with the ribs are found in some of the trucks that were like their two ton and what not. Hope you find something in this without confusing you
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 2 жыл бұрын
The 352 & 360 had the same crank & rods. But the blocks were different. The 352 had a 4 inch bore. The 360 had the same block as the 390 & 410. Witch was 4.050 bore. The 390 & larger FE engines used a shorter but heavier rod than the 352/360 rods. The 406 was the same stroke crank & rods as the 390 but again it had a different block. It had the same bore size as the 428 witch was 4.130. Then the 427 had the same stroke crank as the 390/406 but had a even bigger bore at 4.230. The 410 & 428 had the longest stroke crankshaft at 3.98 stroke and were the only external balance engines.
@morgansword
@morgansword 2 жыл бұрын
@@jesseduke694 I thank you for that. I lived up in the cascade mountain area growing up as a young man and really thought I knew my engines since I was tearing them up as fast as I put them together and lots of times swapped a piston an rod as is into another engine and would go again thinking that those engines were different c.i. an actually they most likely were all the same as in the 352 and 360. I know it was around 1960 when I was a doing most of this cause we had a old air strip that we set a light tree up and held races for a short while. Thank you for the straighten out,,, I did take a ford truck motor from the seventies into the machine shop and we turned it into the 427 with said bore/stroke and built blind as this man was telling us what was what. I do know I seen the no. on the packages and they were as I said parts sent from suppliers for a 427 engine we were building into a mint 77 highboy and it was black on black, factory clean as close to perfect as they ever come. It had factory bucket seats and a console with fords heaviest four speed transmission that you would of seen in a car. We had the stickers and build sheet for that truck and it came just as I described. I called it a name that fit for a once in a lifetime truck. I lost it and everything I had when I got hurt while I was building the truck from a accident not related to all this., I can tell the story but its long, its been over with since 2010 so my memory is not as sharp.. I got hurt in 05 but doctors and what not drug me clear on out and I lost my hard worked for built myself home and shop. Now I am curious as to the real story on the block as I have over many years only seen maybe three but two for sure that had those ribs over the block on every cylinder on inside .... . gave the impression of a wave in and out ... I am serious as a heart attack that not one thing here is stretched for a good story. I think of good times and some of my worst over that truck, home, land and all. I still live in a cabin in the woods that is so small, it would of fit in my old home bathrooms.... well the living area as me a Batchelor had my laundry, mini pantry and the oid toilet area
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 2 жыл бұрын
@@morgansword sounds like a place I would like to live! I also have a high boy. Mine is a 76. The blocks that have the ribs you describe are usually like a industrial block considered to be good blocks. The mirrored "105" blocks are also good blocks. They are cast in a different foundry & usually found in the mid 70's pick up trucks as 360's & 390's. The have a extra saportive rib inside around the mains. FE's are considered old & out dated but I love them. There great engines & have achieved some of the greatest racing victories in history.
@morgansword
@morgansword 2 жыл бұрын
@@jesseduke694 You nailed it right off and I have to agree that it must be a industrial thing as ford was heavy into that back then. Alaska is a place that just about anyone can make a go of it. Seems to be plenty of work. Property of course has seen some rude increases but its still doable. If a man has a little money and some old equipment he knows how to operate, you can take back the land from the mud. Lots of spruce brush with timber on the small side... any thing millable to thirty inches on the butt. Lots of birch as well and then the real pretty cotton wood that ain't good for much.... swamp filler. If a guy lays down the "carpet stuff" as can't think of the name of it .. then road building ain't bad. Mostly surface water but good water at a hundred feet. I looked for property in birch and then went down fifty feet and built me a reservoir by letting them pump it hard and build a cavity under ground. I put in the submersible pump, and used as much water as I could and within a few days the water was clear and cold. I did put in a pump protector so I didn't run that pump on the dry and I never ran out of water. I just couldn't run the water on sprinklers forever as that would use up all the water quick enough but it refilled quick enough for me at about a gallon and more per minute.
@errolpoxleitner7901
@errolpoxleitner7901 2 жыл бұрын
To a point yes.
@danielc5205
@danielc5205 2 жыл бұрын
FTWC, the 360 uses the same crank and rods as a 352.
@KevinMn1
@KevinMn1 2 жыл бұрын
Great content, love your channel
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@mattsgarage6670
@mattsgarage6670 2 жыл бұрын
How about a shop tour video?
@JP-vs1ys
@JP-vs1ys Жыл бұрын
How am I just finding this now? Subscribed. Matt, it is great that you give your thoughts as you see different things in these builds. I find it helpful at least. Keep it up!! I was thrown off when you laid the crankshaft on it's side. I was taught this should never be done due to sag. Is that true? Or is it more a case of "don't leave it on it's side" for a long time.
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 Жыл бұрын
That’s kinda an old wives tell I think, I’m sure if you were going to store one for a long period it would be best to support it or stand it uo straight. But just to lay one down for a few days on its side won’t hurt it one bit.
@JP-vs1ys
@JP-vs1ys Жыл бұрын
@@MattKubik1791 Thanks!!!
@nicholasarrigo3733
@nicholasarrigo3733 2 жыл бұрын
445 stroker build for it at all and that would sell the truck faster with stroker motor.thanks - nick
@peterlloyd1434
@peterlloyd1434 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, I just stumbled onto your great vids👍. I have a 1971 4x4 F100 (same color, Bahama Blue) with a 360 FE I am doing a frame off rebuild and I came across the same problems with compression, especially on #4 also. Odo says 70K and like yours everything was stock standard Crank was all good but had a bit of a lip on the bore wall so took it out to .030. One thing I did notice on the pistons was that 6 of them had had 360 markings on them and 2 had 390 on them yet they were identical in features and size, I would be interested to know if you had experienced this? Cheers Pete.
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
This 360 had 390 4v marked on the piston. I did some looking and apparently most 360s were assembled with pistons that were originally intended for the 390 4V engine. As for them being mixed in the same engine I don't know. Maybe its just what they had when they assembled it or maybe 2 were replaced under warranty or something of that nature.
@peterlloyd1434
@peterlloyd1434 2 жыл бұрын
@@MattKubik1791 Thanks Matt, that's interesting, according to my vin plate my truck was assembled late 1970 and listed and sold early 1971, so maybe they were scapping together what was left on the workshop floor at the end of 1970 😂😂. I am looking forward and will be watching out for your next vid down here in New Zealand. Cheers Pete👍.
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
@@MattKubik1791 that’s true. I would get a 390 crank and rods and make it a dished piston 390. You can put 427LR and 406 2,08/.1.63 valves they will fit right in a 020-.0.030 overbore. No one will complain.
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 6 ай бұрын
​@@fenatic7484they are not dished pistons. 360s use high compression 390 pistons. Flat top with 4 valve reliefs
@troysgarage
@troysgarage 2 жыл бұрын
I just tried to get a machine shop to take a 351 block for reworking, not a single shop within driving distance is taking new work right now. I'm in SLC, UT. Where are you that you can find a shop to take work? I ended up having to buy a rebuilt long block out of Texas and even that will take 3 months to get here - Merry Christmas to me I guess! haha
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
Out of Oklahoma. I also have a good relationship with the machine shop from when I did diesel repair work. I have brought him countless 6.0 powerstroke heads over the years.
@PacemakerandButtons
@PacemakerandButtons 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, Do you have any videos on converting manual 4X4 steering to Power steering in the Highboys? I've done a search on you page but didn't find anything.
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
None doing it the conventional way. on my ultimate highboy I changed the front of the frame to superduty frame rails and used a superduty steering gear. I think I talk about it in the first video. I did all that work before I started filming for KZfaq videos. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9SZd5OSsb_QoYE.html
@YippeeKiYayMrFalcon
@YippeeKiYayMrFalcon 2 жыл бұрын
I have a very nice and original '75 Ford F250 4x4 high boy that I purchased recently from its 89 year old original owner. Its mint! It's original 360 is tired though and sometimes I wonder if the truck is going to actually make it over large hills (it always does, but it's lacking power for sure). I am wanting to use the truck to trailer my Falcon gasser to the local drag strip so more power is definitely in order. Putting a 460 in it is the obvious choice but I'd like to keep the trucks original power plant in the truck, if it's feasible. I was thinking of using a 390 crank, better heads, intake and a better carb. Curious what you would do? What specific heads would you recommend if I were to go that route? Thanks in advance!
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
390 rotating assembly would be what I would do. Remember you have to change the rods too when doing a 390 change over. For the heads I used promaxx heads on my 428 in my ultimate highboy project. I didn’t have any complaints about them other than they use non standard valves. Not a big deal if you get the complete heads but I got the bare heads and ended up having to order all the other parts other than springs from them.
@errolpoxleitner7901
@errolpoxleitner7901 2 жыл бұрын
428 only way to go.
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 6 ай бұрын
Why did u say the pistons will need pressed out? FEs have full floating pins?
@joeschlotthauer840
@joeschlotthauer840 2 жыл бұрын
7:42, remember you put oil in that cylinder last video...
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 2 жыл бұрын
Very good point!
@joeschlotthauer840
@joeschlotthauer840 2 жыл бұрын
@@MattKubik1791 I think this might be a bore issue. I've seen where the bore will be like an egg...
@jesperdahl1486
@jesperdahl1486 2 жыл бұрын
The large timing gear is not Nylon, it is phenolic ! it is made from compressed fabric, and phenolic resin, and they are bad at failing, at the most inopportune moment, they last much better in inline engines where the cam often run "backwards" IE gear to gear, with no chain.
@WilliamMunny-d8s
@WilliamMunny-d8s 26 күн бұрын
whatever happened to this engine? I dont see it returning in any episode titles?
@MattKubik1791
@MattKubik1791 26 күн бұрын
It is the engine in the Harbor Blue Highboy I sold.
@skylinefever
@skylinefever 2 жыл бұрын
When this engine was built, was it built for leaded gasoline? That would help explain the dead cylinder and burnt valve. It is less likely with engines built for unleaded gasoline. Sounds like you might need a set of hard valve seats fitted when rebuilding the head. Perhaps the engine was overheated, and that destroyed rings? Sometimes if you overheat the engine badly even once, piston ring tension is destroyed. 12:35 If all bores need reboring, but some are extra bad, sometimes the engine will get a few sleeves and a small overbore. This AMC 4.2 would need a .060 overbore, which is not desirable, all because cylinders 1 and 2 were so horrible. By sleeving those two, they were able to bore all cylinders to +.030. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sJqeaqqjxsC1fmQ.html I don't know how much overbore the pitted cylinder needs. You might benefit by sleeving that one and going for the smallest overbore there is. I think that would be +.020 21:37 Does that mean polishing the crank and buying standard size bearings is possible? Nice! 22:18 Typically flat lifter cams are simply replaced at rebuilding time. New stock replacements aren't expensive, so it is cheap insurance.
@sabbo68
@sabbo68 2 жыл бұрын
First
@ianwenning2784
@ianwenning2784 2 жыл бұрын
Every new Ford sold comes with a dog so you have someone to walk home with
@spaceghost8995
@spaceghost8995 9 ай бұрын
Your camera is too far away from the work.
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