From Money Pit to Classic? Jaguar F-type prices after JLR's Electric Transition

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Are F-types finally turning into collectable cars now that they will be discontinued and that JLR will move to electric only vehicles?
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A Jaguar ftype is never the rational choice. When it comes to values, depreciation is significantly higher than for its competitors, making it a very expensive car to own from new.
So why do people buy them? Looks, sound, and uniqueness are characteristics that peruse many people, and, most importantly, triumph over the irrationalities that come with owning an f type.
However, going forward, the purchase of an f type could very well be one that can be made with the heart and the brain. This discontinuation and the move to electric vehicles has the potential to dramatically shift the course of the f-type’s value development.
However, at the moment, there is no evidence for that in the price trends. Old V6 models are currently depreciating at rates that are higher than the market average. Old V8 models are depreciating at the same, or at lower rates than the market average. While the new, facelift cars are depreciating at approximately the same speed as the market, but lost significantly more over the last two years. Of course, this does not mean that it will not happen in the future.
Content
00:00 Will the f-type be a collectable car?
01:09 Market overview
03:15 Car market
04:06 V6 pre-facelift
05:59 V8 pre-facelift
07:31 Facelift cars + 4-cylinders
10:18 Conclusion
Disclaimer: The Content is for educational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice. Nothing contained in this video constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, or endorsement to buy or sell any cars. The information published has been obtained from or is based on sources which are believed to be accurate and complete. Although reasonable care has been taken, the completeness and the accuracy of any information published cannot be guaranteed. Any opinions may be wrong and may change at any time. You should always carry out your own independent verification of facts and data before making any purchase decision.

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@Armafly 4 ай бұрын

I got a new F-Type RWD convertible in 2018 and I am always exited to drive it. I don’t care if its value goes down or up because I bought it with the intention to keep it until it will become a classic. The design is timeless and sexy and very often I receive compliments and thumbs up from random people. Decades ago owning an E-Type would have been my dream car; today my F-Type fulfills my old dream. Owning a Jaguar F-Type is for me not a financial matter but a passion.

@kevinquartemont2313 3 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Every time I drive mine, and it's my daily driver, I absolutely love it. The ability to change your position amongst a pack of cars and get out of the pack to clear driving is probably my favorite thing about my F Type R . The thing absolutely zips from 50mph to well above in the blink of an eye. I went through a period where it was in the shop with all the problems you'll see when reading Jaguar forums. Thankfully, my extended warranty covered all of them less the small deductible. Now, I haven’t had any issues in quite a while. Like the original commentor, my plan is to hold on until it becomes a classic. To me, it's already a classic.

@StronthPL Жыл бұрын

F-Type is so underrated car. So underrated.

@fourwheeltrader Жыл бұрын

Great bang for the buck indeed

@Santoshlv426 Жыл бұрын

No car that looks as beautiful, sounds as great and elicits such compliments can be deemed a money pit ! I bought my '16 F Type R in 2019 and it lost 10% in line with depreciation in our local market and flattened out. Depreciation was never a factor in my decision making process and while it's natural competitor is Porsche 911, I simply cannot "fall in love" with a Porsche. It depends as to what the intention is. Transport, Investment or ownership. LIke any asset, this should influence the decision.

@morganvon5664 Жыл бұрын

My friend purchased a 2018 f type SVR. Beautiful car and very fast. He let me drive it. Good Transmission and brutal acceleration. But, compared to my 911 C2S, it just doesn't. It feels bigger than it is, the chassis isn't nearly as solid as a 911. The visibility out isn't great either. Those small windows make the car stylish, but make it a nightmare to see out of. It doesn't handle that great. It feels heavy, which it is compared to a 911. It's a desirable car just based on looks alone. But it's not a daily driver and it's not really a sports car.

@Kurotsukuyomi 10 ай бұрын

@@morganvon5664 It is a sports car. The chassis is amazing (though not 911-level) and I actually prefer the V6S convertible so you can hear the amazing exhaust note (which sadly no 911 in the last decade can match). It's a different beast.. you use the 911 for pure driving dynamics and to set times. You use an FType to hoonigan around, make loud noises and leave infantile drift marks whenever the mood strikes. Each has it's place. Signed: A guy with a V6S convertible and a 991.2 GT3.

@dlj1285 7 ай бұрын

@@morganvon5664 You know what they say about opinions. These cars are different. They handle fine. One is clinical and boring, and the other is NOT that. There, another opinion for the pile. 911 C2S, talk about an overrated car, especially considering current prices. They are becoming status cars that sound like crap more than anything else. Good cars though.

@3ducs 7 ай бұрын

I wonder where the V6 manual transmission cars would fit in this analysis? There are not many of them, they were only made in 2016-17, only 5% chose them. I have one, a '16 3.0S, I really like it.

@jeffreyb.1657 10 ай бұрын

Has not cost me more than oil changes since buying....60k miles. It is not a money pit..it is bosch, trw, leer...it is top tier stuff and wonderfully put together. No rattles at 60k miles. In this regard, it is far better than a 997, 991, or 992 and it sounds and looks better. And at legal speeds it drives better.

@dlj1285 7 ай бұрын

Porsche is the king of rattles, which is surprising.

@AllanG1914 Жыл бұрын

Yay!! Another F Type video. I used your videos last year when I bought my 2015 R. It was very helpful. Ironically, I was expecting tons of problems but only had a leaking power steering container. Was hoping to get my money's worth on that warranty I purchased. Lol. Well, I still have 2 more years.😂

@mikeymikeFType 4 ай бұрын

Strongly recommend that you keep the Jaguar warranty running if you can.

@cujet Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I own a wonderful 2017 F-Type V6s convertible, and I think your presentation is quite accurate. It is in fact, exactly how I see it. Maybe (if it were possible, it is not) a well preserved F-type could be the car of the Rush song, 50 or 75 years in the future. An aluminum bodied car, that has the promise of long life, with a responding roaring engine. But we all know the stupidly fun F-Type has a reputation that trends towards "difficult to maintain". And, that is where one major problem lies.

@wsvoorhees Жыл бұрын

I wish you'd touch on if there is any difference in depreciation for Manual F-types, but their might not be enough in the market to tell.

@drewdogg77 7 ай бұрын

No regrets getting my 2019 R in BRG last year. Your last F-type video triggered my impulse to find my car.

@infamy707 Жыл бұрын

Very much appreciate your videos. Could you tell me where you get your data from? I'm looking into Older Audi TTS's and M2's and would love to do a similiar analysis for myself. THanks!

@mohitme1234 Жыл бұрын

Best cars in certain price segments that losses least amount of %

@TheMarkyMarx 2 ай бұрын

I just paid $51,285.00 (sans taxes) for a 2016 F Type R Coupe AWD. It has 27,000 miles which is partly why it is more than the KBB average plus it is in mint condition and has the 20" carbon wheels with new tires. I think that, over time and with the switch to all electric, this Callum masterpiece will actually reverse the trend and appreciate in value.

@TheRegulator Жыл бұрын

Great analysis. Thank you

@JWL-UK 6 ай бұрын

The V6 2018 model year manual has got to be the best value within the sports car category. It's the last production year of the manual transmission with the authentic, uncapped exhaust notes and all the power and exhilarating fun you need from a road car that is perfect for the UK roads.

@bakhteria Жыл бұрын

It would be great to see a perspective on I-Pace given new evs from Jag

@underrated_assets 3 ай бұрын

Already getting tough to find early years…so glad I grabbed the 2015 RWD R in early 2023. Drive, enjoy, and hold!

@dabsandsnkrs3977 Жыл бұрын

Can you do the current Nissan GT-R market

@nicholasbrowne4169 Жыл бұрын

Well done as usual 👍

@johnny9 11 ай бұрын

Great analysis!

@FabrizioSpagna Жыл бұрын

I have an SVR and it will continue to depreciate for a couple of years but I am SURE in 4 - 5 years it will be worth more than what I paid (not accounting for inflation of course)

@andtime4918 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I was thinking today of asking you to do an F-type video. I have a 2019 R. I am due to sell it in 2 days, but I don’t think I can bring myself to do it as it is such good value for money in comparison to a Porsche.

@jameswillard1 Жыл бұрын

I have a 19’ R Convertible V8. What are they telling you it’s worth out of curiosity? Thanks

@mpc007 4 ай бұрын

Very interested when the early F-Type models will bottom out price wise. Theyre starting to undercut 981 porsche models.

@nathanh8439 Жыл бұрын

Surprisingly the SVR prices keep going down since this is probably the most collectible F Type(besides the Project 7). I'm thinking they will drop to $50k over the next year or two and then level off.

@JWL-UK 6 ай бұрын

IMO, the manual models will be the true collectables of the bunch given the tiny production runs. My V6 2018 is one of 100 registered in the UK across all years.

@Kenword69420 3 ай бұрын

I’m looking at buy v6 type s for 10k it’s a salvage title and needs about 8K of work. I like the idea of owning an f type for 20k 😅

@aymansgarage Жыл бұрын

Theyre incredible cars, this makes me sad, screw the Eu and all the pawns in government that are forcing this

@elliotthale1835 Жыл бұрын

UK content would be great. Even compared to the US market.

@fourwheeltrader Жыл бұрын

Working on it :)

@elliotthale1835 Жыл бұрын

@@fourwheeltraderthen I supplement my comment with a push for any UK content to be focused on Porsche 987/997. Really great content 👏

@CarsAndBikesBklyn Жыл бұрын

What about manuals since there are fewer of them, although they are a V6?

@hyper_channel 10 ай бұрын

The manual isn't very good, it's geared too long and not very pleasant to use. The autos are the way to go as they have the superb ZF-8 (extensively used for example in current BMW M cars) I understand your question, as in value due to rarity, but probably too few around to draw anything conclusive.

@tafalicir1253 Жыл бұрын

I dont see the f type is expensive for it's value comparing to the competitors... The 2022 full opp & highest trim of the f type cost 120k $ ...5.0 L supercharged v8 575hp awd moonroof or conv great sound confort special looking ... Tell me if there's any car has same options with the same price or less ???

@mpc007 4 ай бұрын

Goes for used too. Would you rather have a 987.2 cayman, bmw m2, or f type v6s? Id choose the last. Car seems to offer great value for money. Question is whether now is the time to pick it up or wait another 2 years before it bottoms.

@jonckheeremaite5171 Жыл бұрын

What do you guys think of a f type V6s coupe (R design) from 2016 with 35k kilometers, sold for 56k euros . Is it too mich ? I live in belgium btw

@kevinquartemont2313 3 ай бұрын

In my opinion, that's way too much. I got my 2015 F Type R Coupe RWD in 2020 with 32k miles for 40K dollars, if that tells you anything.

@robertpriest5273 6 ай бұрын

Any idea how many cars have been produced over its life time?

@underrated_assets 3 ай бұрын

This data seems very hard to find for some reason. I have read many forum summaries which are great, but I’d be very interested to understand by year, model variant, color as well.

@zzzzzsleeping Жыл бұрын

Is Jaguar still in business ?

@hyper_channel 10 ай бұрын

Probably not a good car to keep value, but still think is one the best bang for buck you can get. Parts can be expensive but I wouldn't say they are unreliable. Both the V6s and V8s sound heavenly too, and they look much more special than a M2 for example.

@dlj1285 7 ай бұрын

Part are expensive for all nicer cars we find ourselves interested in. The F-type R, on balance, is an incredible choice. People should put their money in markets if they care about putting money into depreciating assets.

@varmastiko2908 7 ай бұрын

Depreciation is a useful tool if you buy to keep. And you should be buying to keep if you're a true enthusiast, as at the time they're not supposedly going to make any more enthusiast cars. As long as depreciation is on-going you benefit every year of waiting, and once you buy the effect of it over for you.

@mjeholdings2013 Жыл бұрын

I bought my 2015 F-type R about 6 months ago. Looks like I might have gotten lucky and bought at the bottom. It would be interesting to see if there is a market split between the RWD and AWD variants. I specifically wanted a RWD R.

@nickgrace4743 Жыл бұрын

I did the exact same. The rwd R very unique

@Santoshlv426 Жыл бұрын

@@nickgrace4743 Surely this would make the F Type R RWD top of the list for collectability ! It's rare for sure.

@underrated_assets Жыл бұрын

Same here. RWD + hydraulic steering were both part of the decision to go 2015 R. Collectible or not…it’s a near perfect car at this price point…

@mjeholdings2013 Жыл бұрын

@@underrated_assets Yep. I wasn't aware of the steering. Did they go electric steering with the 2016 and AWD? I love mine, aside from the sticky switches. Found a 1 owner car under 40K miles.

@dangrimmer2333 Жыл бұрын

I got my RWD R in March 2023, definitely one of the rarer ones!

@MTbone7 Жыл бұрын

Jaguar dealers are like funeral homes right now (insert evening cricket sounds)

@TheMarkyMarx 2 ай бұрын

Funeral homes are busy, lots of people dying everyday. I've bought two Jags this year. F Pace V6 3.0L S for the wife and the F-Type R 5.0L V8 for me

@MTbone7 2 ай бұрын

@@TheMarkyMarx they are beautiful cars no doubt, I bet you got tremendous deals even better. Enjoy them

@GK-hl8gr Жыл бұрын

What about the 2.0 ?🤔

@fourwheeltrader Жыл бұрын

Check out 09:43

@f-u-nkyf-u-ntime 10 ай бұрын

4 cylinder F Type? That would be the ingenium engine. 2.0ltr turbo. I wouldn't touch it if it was free. The older V6 supercharged and V8 Supercharged is what you want.

@AlphaJ369 4 ай бұрын

You are smoken dope if you think the price will stabilize when Jag E vehicles come out next year.

@ricsu3462 Жыл бұрын

Always like the f type, had a few chances over the years to buy the v8 at around 40k, such a bargain. Hard to imagine collectibility for sure. JLR’s decision to go EV, the going away of big engines, the stricter noise restriction all made the f type v8s the one to go for. But interior quality issues (sticky buttons, cheap plastic, fading texts, meh design), the weak brand image, electrical gremlins (hit n miss) and the dilution of cheaper v6 and i4 variants will def hurt the v8s and value of the model ,as they all look the same and there’s just too many made. There’s hope for it tho, kinda like the 355. F type has the beauty, the sound and the performance, and with time pple might look past the low quality materials and reliability. (But u still need to reduce the number of samples out there to increase exclusivity )

@hyper_channel 10 ай бұрын

The sticky interior was fixed 2016 onwards AFAIK, the rest more or less agree, as an owner :) On the reliability front, Jaguar and Land Rover in general don't have the best track record but I don't think the F-Type is less reliable than it's competitors. Being slightly more dated plays on its favor in that front. The most problematic bits are non-critical (pop out door handles, pop up central vent), the engine is solid it you keep up with the yearly maintenance.

@nhibbs3 Жыл бұрын

Can you please start analyzing the F90 M5/M5 Comp depreciation? I think it would be interesting.

@keyser456 11 ай бұрын

Jaguar will be a shell of its former self within 4 years. There are already a plethora of options for people that want EVs. Nobody is chomping at the bit for Jaguar EVs. Really stupid move on their part...

@jrgb9945 7 ай бұрын

Jag is going out of business-they have zero ability to produce a compelling EV. And I’m a jag fan-have had two-but there is zero evidence to believe they are going to be in the EV game.

@Tothefloor Жыл бұрын

They are so unreliable I doubt they will ever go up in price much.

@timeservices697 Жыл бұрын

Do you own one , which model have you got ? how long have u had it for ? What problems have u had ?

@dlj1285 Жыл бұрын

@@timeservices697He doesn’t. Someone told him they were unreliable so it must be so. He’s part of the Internet echo chamber. The F-type in particular is NOT unreliable.

@underrated_assets Жыл бұрын

Classic response…with no substantiating detail. Other than the Y-pipe (which Jaguar corrected) and preventative differential maintenance, what makes it different than whatever you are baselining against?

@terracodellc Жыл бұрын

I have had my 2015 F-Type R since new and it is one of the most reliabe cars I have owned. It has had much less issues than my previous 2005 BMW Z4 coupe. The look and sound is amazing.

@terracodellc Жыл бұрын

@@underrated_assets The updated coolant Y-Pipe design is better since no seam, but still plastic. I updated my coolant Y-Pipe to the EuroAmp Aluminum that uses the same new 2-piece design as OEM.