Well credit due for writing that. It's tough for any of us to admit that we were the problem. In fairness, there is any issue when so many people have exactly the same experience. Garmin could fix this very easily by pushing a quick-start video to Basecamp along these lines, but to be fair, even then, some people won't watch it. And for the record, I learnt the hard way. I used to plan all my routes using just waypoints.

Thanks, Janine and good luck with your route! Easy way to remember it: Via points are places you definitely want to route through. Shaping points are places you'd prefer to route through. Waypoints are favourites. The GPS WILL take you to a via point unless you tell it to skip it when it's coming up as the next one on the route, but if you miss a shaping point, it will just figure out a way to the next via point. You can create a route using just via and shaping points. No need to create any waypoints, though they can be helpful, if they're accommodation, as you can save contact details for them too and phone using the satnav, if you need to.

@@jtchivers once again, THANK YOU. Everything on our trip went so smoothly. Even when we had to detour thanks to farmers and flood damage blocking our routes, it was so simple to reroute past a shaping point.

Hehe! I wouldn't go that far, but glad it helped you. I appreciate the feedback.👍😊

@@jtchivers well, when you are planning a 4 month long trip, being able to draw the right routes can save your life indeed. Still having troubles with the app temperament, it wants to make me pedal a thousand extra miles, but getting it there

You're welcome! Yes, once you get to know it, you appreciate how very useful it actually is. I must admit, their documentation is pretty woeful though.

So pleased to hear that! It's not intuitive at all, but once you get the hang of it and it clicks, it's invaluable for route planning. Thanks very much for the kind words. I'd hoped it would help someone out and it's always nice to hear it has. 👍😊

I often use unnecessary via points in this manner just as audio clues, should I want an earlier audio warning about an upcoming feature in the route. Good point!

Good to hear! The maps were just the latest downloaded Garmin maps at the time.

If you drag a point onto a pre-defined point in the map's database - i.e. a point of interest such as a settlement, a shop, pub, or any other featured point of interest, it will automatically be a via point (with alert) rather than a shaping point (without alert).

Noticed this myself thanks for your response

Thanks. That was outside the scope of this video, but it's easy enough to do. Right-click on the route you've created and click Send To, then select your plugged in GPS unit. If you're still not sure, a quick search will give you several examples and it looks like others have done videos on how to do this too. This will send the route (and any associated separate waypoints) to the GPS.

@@jtchivers thanks for this instruction (yep I’ve found full instructions on your KZfaq channel 👍. Now looking forwards to device arrival.

Hi Pedro. Assuming you're connecting the unit to PC/Mac running Basecamp, sending the route to the GPS will include any Waypoints used in the route automatically. You don't need to send them separately. If it isn't doing that, something isn't set up correctly. I'm assuming you mean Waypoints in the true meaning of what Basecamp calls Waypoints and the GPS unit calls Favourites and you don't mean shaping points.

@@jtchivers Thanks for your feedback. Yes I'm connected to a PC and running Basecamp. Google Earth calls these points as Placemarks while Basecamps call them Waypoints. I've also seen people calling them POI's Points of interest... These POI's are sent to the GPS along with the route but not shown on screen during navigation since they are not embbeded in the route. Instead, they are stored within 'Where To?' and then within 'Saved' which doesn't help much as you can't see them while navigating. Any tip will be highly appreciated. Thank you

Yes, a waypoint or a via point are both places you're telling the unit you must visit. The difference between a waypoint and a via point is the waypoint is a favourite. Lots of people use waypoints for route planning, but they're not intended for that purpose. A via point behaves the same way in terms of routing, as you're telling the unit you definitely want to go there. A shaping point is just a preferred point on the route. If you vere off the route, the unit will recalculate between where you are and the next waypoint or via point. In the scenario you describe, the best thing is to use the "skip" function, which tells the unit to skip the next via point or waypoint, so it won't try to get you back to the place you told it you definitely wanted to go but can't get to. Hope that makes sense.

I don't know about the Fenix, but right click on anything you want to send to a connected device and you should see the "Send to" option. Routes, waypoints, and tracks are stored in lists and lists under folders. They can be wherever you want them to be. When you select a list, only the items within that list are displayed on the map, so it makes it easier to manage.

That doesn't sound like Garmin hardware to me, Karl-Erik, so I'm afraid I've no idea. Basecamp is designed to work with maps which match those on the Garmin GPS. You can export a standard GPX file from Basecamp, so you might be able to import that into your system, but I'm not convinced that is the right way to plan routes in your case.

@@jtchivers It's Garmin in the device for sure.I got a mail from Kenwood that it's not possible to install for example roud trips you make in Tyre or BaseMap to this devices. So as I can see this it's not Garmin problem it's Kenwood problem.

My touring buddy would politely disagree after binning a fogged-up Tomtom: an issue which seems to be quite a common problem. I don't have a problem with Basecamp, but agree it's not as intuitive initially as Google Maps.

That's the point of a via point though. You use it to mark somewhere you definitely want to go. If you don't mind missing a point, it should be a shaping point. If you change your mind about the via point en route, you use the skip function to bypass it.