Next video is a long one, new series :D. Thanks for being patient, lots of IRL stuff going on. Catch me streaming over on www.twitch.tv/madseasonshow

The “square peg in a round hole” segment had me dying. Thanks for making quality videos

Anyone else look around when he played those Windows USB disconnect sounds? lmao

I love that you never miss a chance to say "I told you so" when it comes to the WOW token. You deserve to rub it in everyone's face who said you were wrong. I think it's hilarious that you never stop and it never gets old, seriously people will never learn if you don't constantly remind them how stupid they are.

Swiper no swiping!

I am playing SoD on one monitor and watching this video on another. You're not going to believe this, but I dinged on my hunter at the exact moment the noise was heard on the video at 7:03! The sound matched up perfectly!!

That 007 Goldeneye music was hitting.

As an old nerd I was happy that you used a short clip of Kerafyrm the Sleeper.

The gdkp ban is definitely an interesting change but it’s weird how it’s policed. I knew a guy that quit and gave his gold to a friend and the friend got a 2 week ban. How can they reasonably enforce this policy if they don’t have people verifying things? It’s all automated

DKP could exist in the game on a personal level. Kill a boss and gain a DKP point. When you have enough points, you can buy a raid item from a vendor. The raid items in the vendor get unlocked when you have seen that drop from a boss so there’s still some RNG involved. This also means old raids hold some relevance to your current tier progression as you can gain points from any raid boss. If the item you want drops, but you don’t win the roll, and you have enough DKP saved up, then you can go buy the item from the vendor.

0:10 “Did you see that Zach? Clear as a crisp spring morning….GDKP in the coffee”

@MadSeasonShow I am honored you used my video @3:18

guys will see a new Madseason upload and just think "hell yeah"

Yeah, I remember first reading about it or hearing about it somewhere, during WotLK that in China they used the GDKP And just a week after that on my server a plaer I knew tried organizing the very first GDKP, because he read about it as well and thought it was a good idea. People were hesitant at first but later his gdkp runs became regular and folks "queued up" for those. It was either a video or an article or a topic on mmo-champs that we both stumbled upon...I cannot remember what it was. But it definitely was an introduction of GDKP into the EU realms.

Hey Mad, your channel has always charmed me with it's wonderful choice of music. I always feel right at home here.

Swiper, no swiping!

New Madseason video means my crippling anxiety and depression is defeated.

I wanna say that I like GDKP as a concept. The idea that you can join different GDKP communities and raid when it pleases you. instead of being locked behind a schedule within a guild or joining random pugs with MS/OS and missing a rolls. One of my main form of entertainment in Retail wow for a few expansions was in fact just farming gold. It was a super rewarding aspect of the game that I really fell in love with. The idea that your ingame knowledge on what people want to spend gold on. what is expensive on the AH and where to farm it. keep track on what you sell so that you can restock on Tmog/pets/mounts/toys etc and do a weekly mail cleanout to see hundreds of thousands of gold in ur main each week was such a fun thing for me. During BFA I farmed over 5mill gold for the AH mount when they announced it would be removed. Didn't buy a single wow token or anything. just playing the game. GDKP also made me play the game a ton. I'd farm so much gold inbetween raid resets to maximize how much gold I'd have to spend in the next GDKP. which also made me go outside of the main cities which again made me do a lot more world pvp and create a lot of interactions with both my own faction and enemy faction. which was a lot of fun. GDKP also made the idea of having alts more appealing. If I can have multiple alts doing GDKP each reset I'd generate more gold from the split at the end. Which again I can spend more gold on my main character. Just leveled ur character to max level? trying to get into a pug? sorry! your gear is bad you get instantly kicked. Where in GDKP people want others with no gear. beacuse then they'll spend more gold on gear that drops. Non can deny that some people that do GDKP do buy gold. Which sucks. because then it makes it so that people like myself that farm the gold to spend in the raid format that I deem the most enjoyable being a cause of RMT. But if am talking stricktly Phase 1 SoD from my own experience. I did GDKP about every reset after the first two weeks. And the maximum the pot was at the end (the collective gold at the end) was about 150g on avarage. sometimes it was as low as 50g. sometimes as high as 200g. I can't say the others in those GDKP's bought or didn't buy gold because how would I know. But I assume not when the pot was never that high and an item would go up to 20g~ and others bidding would stop when they felt that was to much. But am not blizzard and I got no answers to that. Throughout these statements from blizzard and discussions on forums I've read, I feel a lot of people just assume that everyone that does GDKP buys gold and there is no other alternative. Sorry I got time to play the game for multiple hours each and every day and I know what sells on the AH and why it sells and how to earn a lot of gold on a weekly basis by just playing the game. Not everyone that does GDKP actually buys gold. But I also find it interesting how it should be allowed to buy BOE's on the AH for 900+ gold. How can we prove or deny that that gold isn't acquired through RMT? Or what about people that buy mage boosts? 3-5g per run or so and they sit there for hours. How can we know if that is RMT? Or what about people that buy consumables on the AH? are they RMT'ing? Why are some formats of trading gold to other players allowed and others not. if GDKP is bannable then other formats like these should also be bannable. It's as if in a competitive game some people are using hacks, and therefore the devs should remove ranked because some people hack to get high ranks. makes no sense imo. Just ban the hackers and let those that play the game normally do their thing. In this sense: the gold buyers. My view point on the people that RMT is that; people that buy gold dont want to play the game. They're the ones that want to to the raid. then stand afk in some city for 20min before they log off and do something else. They dont want to farm gold for consumables or enchants. They dont care for PVP/WPVP. And Usually find the idea of farming gold boring or annoying to do. Which again; is fine if you dont like any of those things. But blizzard should not let people RMT. Then again: I do think the idea of testing to ban GDKP as a concept is a good thing to see if it does anything against RMT. And where SoD is a experimental season in a sense. I think IF they ever were to try and ban it. this is the place and time. Which I can accept. But I do have a hope that they will implement it again down the road in other phases. Where I personally enjoy it a lot. The ban on GDKP have made me play the game less. Less reason to farm gold, I just try to have some gold on me for consumables and enchants. and the idea of having multiple alts also deminished for me a bit. I dont want to lock my alts to raiding schedules in guilds and I dont want to pug on each alt that I already have. GDKP solved a lot of my problems with raiding. Within my friend group it's a common joke that I got really bad rolls. I rarely win anything when I roll and it became kinda frustrating. The idea that I can farm gold. and then be the most willing to spend gold on a item was nice. And If I did not win it because someone was more willing. well then the overall pot for the group got better which again was a good thing. In normal raiding you only care about what YOU want. but in GDKP you care about what EVERYONE wants. because that's a opportunity to have a high pot which is a win for everyone. I had raids where nothing good dropped for me. but crazy good loot for rogues and warriors. and I was genuinely excited for the bidding phase at the end. The other aspect of GDKP for people that have never done it. You can bid on anything you want. there are no loot rules. If you bid on something more then others within the countdown. it's yours. Which made me able to get good PVP gear pretty fast. when you raid outside of GDKP and loot drop. loot goes with the idea of PVE first and foremost. So if a armor trinket drops and I am a caster. there is legit 0 chance am getting it. but in a GDKP: If i bid more I win it. Which also made gearing for PVP which I find a lot of fun to do more accessible. Fully BiS geared? no reason to raid anymore? Well there is a reason when GDKP is around. you join GDKP's as a Pumper. and keep doing the raids and make the raids smoother and faster. and get some do carry cuts and you also get a part of the pot. Which again is a solved problem no other raid format fixes. I went on a bit of a rant. But my ultimate idea is: Ban Gold buyers and Botters. not GDKP. make it so that people that buy gold are not able to do GDKP. and then GDKP will be a very healthy thing for the game.

3:49 i got jebaited

"Dragon Killing Point" is essentially an "artefact title" - similar to how we still measure power output by comparing how many horses it is roughly equivalent to. Initially this measurement helped when marketing/comparing early Steam Engines people had generally a good idea what an average horse can do (we currently use scientifically set Horse Power which is actually less than what horse can put out in short bursts, as the engines were compared to horses while doing a long day's work.) Since it is a standardized unit, just with a silly name, it has remained in use for allowing "apples to apples" comparisons between different engines/vehicles. Oh, the dragon was selected because it was the most common (or at least, one of the most common) type of an end-game raidboss in original Everquest. Game that allegedly had GDKP (or maybe rather, "gold carry") but just on a miniscule scale. Heavily geared hardcore guilds would take payments in exchange for running people through a boss who drops loot the guild doesn't need, but someone is willing to pay good amount of in-game Platinum coins for. RMT also existed back then, or at least there is a comic from the time joking that an Everquest convention's main draw was the ability to pay someone cash in-person and then do an in-game trade. Item selling on eBay provided an exchange rate that was used to conclude that EQ technically had a GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of a small European country.

Great video man. Glad to see you uploading often again.

Wasn't expecting Blizz to do something 'bout GDKP, but I'm damn glad they did

That 007 pause screen music goes hard. Great video madseason. 🙏🔥

"Because he's bad" took me out 🤣

What I've gather with the GDKP ban: - No Bots - No Goldsellers - No Boosters + More "Blizzard" Scammers + Better and stable Auction House prices + More Profession Traders on the streets that you can trust Overall: The community in SoD is healing! And imo the ban should be widened to Classic Era and Retail aswell.

Great video my dude! Music still is lit af!

madseason video coming out tomorrow: hey guys michael jackson just died

Haven't played WoW in a bit, but love getting tidbits of info through your channel. Awesome as always!

im just gonna say it...GDKP raids are probably some of the best raids I've been to in classic wow. Sometimes, they are even better than my guild raids, sadly enough to say.

I love gdkps. It’s absolutely my favorite form of content and it’s entirely player driven. I am a huge fan of them.

Dude that Golden Eye music shot me back god damn

That part about the "Free user vs Paid user" hits home for me. When you returned to hardcore, I decided to give Dragonflight a chance. I tried to see how much gold I could make farming ore for 2 weeks, and got about 300k, which made me very happy :) Then I realised I could've gotten 300k if I just swiped my credit card and bought a token, saving myself 2 week's worth of free time. Then I realised I'm competing against bots in terms of how much I can farm and in the auction house itself. I just can't do it anymore, comparing 2 week's worth of free time against 20 USD, I just feel like spending my time in-game is inefficient. That saying about the most efficient way to farm gold is to buy tokens is unfortunately true. Which is a shame because I don't have an issue with pretty much everything else. No more dailies, the new skill trees are the best of both classic and legion-era versions, I get to summon a freakin Pit Lord as a Demo Warlock. But the thought of "swipe credit card, use free time more efficiently for other things" is constantly there.

GDKP does not exist in dragonflight

That laugh at 4:20 is just delightful

"GDKP has been in every variation of the game." It wasn't on Nostalrius. RIP

In relation to what you spoke about, one problem I have with systems like GDKPs in a world with RMT is that I like looking at a player in the game and being impressed by what they have. High PVP ranks, rare mounts, hard to obtain gear etc. With the current state of GDKPs, there's much less to see on a player where your reaction will be "Oh man, now that guy's cool!" Back in 2007 I remember seeing a warlock in full Tier 5 and my 13 year old brain went "Wow that guy is a fucking badass!" it was so cool to see. Nowadays, regardless of which version of the game I'm playing, I don't feel that same feeling very often. Maybe I've seen it all and I'm jaded? But I think a part of it definitely stems from wondering in the back of my mind if that guy next to me in his full SoD bis just swiped a card and got all his raid gear and paid people to walk him through all of his profession requirements. In a world where RMT does not exist, I think it'd still be impressive to look at people fully geared out. Because the amount of time and effort they spent getting the piles of gold needed to outbid everyone for their whole set? That's still some no-life commitment I can respect!

I'm amazed you didn't touch on the fact they're trying to work their way around it with peacebloom runs lol, or using something else as a currency.

People think blizz doesn't deal with bots but they also don't realize how many bots are banned on a day to day basis. The problem is that there is a low cost for botters to setup a new bot so they are constantly creating new accounts. It's like fighting an endless flood. They have to attack the problem at both ends. They have been banning gold buyers more now and with this change they are limiting the desire for RMT

competitive and classic wow is a fucking wild line to drop

Hell yeah, Brother

"Even the name is stupid" never change lolol

This is a perfect change to the game, it was sad to see the end of TBC classic killed by GDKP and then after WOTLK getting murdered.

The "usb disconnect" sound around 3:50 sent me into a panic :'c

0:50 "...so i just thought that i would explain the situation for those of you who are lucky enought tonot care about any of this" me: sitting happily enjoying my turtle wow

I finally got my plushie LOL. It's pretty damn good too. So much detail, even a little tuft of hair coming out of the helmet that I never realized MadSeason's avvie had.

GDKPS ruined classic ERA. You cannot convince me otherwise.

I'm just here for the back-round noises and video game music nostalgia lol

I didn't mind the wotlk wow token. At that point, it was a blessing already cause like 80%+ of my wow acquintances were either buying gold or benefiting indirectly through gdkps all the way since classic. Blizz hasn't done enough against botting/rmt during classic but the fact there was 50+ rogues on every server, 24/7 in brd pickpocketing and dozens of bot groups farming strath etc. is exactly because the fact that 80% of my wow contacts were either buying gold (since phase 1) or benefiting from goldbuyers through gdkp..

Nice a vid. The intros always make me feel happy

I just want to go back to 04-07

As someone who played vanilla back in the day when they were like 12 I would love to get in a discord call with MadSeason and reminisce about the good ole days

I did not see GDKPs even in wrath. Then again I played on a medium server.

can we take a moment to recognize how lit the Goldeneye N64 background music is

Stay true to your principles. Love your content Madseason. I don't play retail anymore, nor will I ever. Join the disc

Always a good way to end the video, a little fisherman's horizon playing and feeling relaxed. Good video overall too.

I feel like Blizzard does everything to avoid actually dealing with rmt and bots, and this GDKP ban is yet another example of this. If rmt didn't exist, GDKP wouldn't be nearly as annoying and harmful.

Wake Up baby madseasonshow posted a video

Blizz is too busy working on their cash shop to worry about RMT and other gold making shenanigans. That is why I have never been into the raiding scene.

So happy to see you back!

I was about to head to the comments section to ask for the name of the music at the end, but you linked it in the description

Petition to make sure MadSeason never uses the USB disconnect/connect sounds in a video again

About a year ago, just before Ulduar came out, I started doing all the dailies I could on 10 characters. I spent hours a night farming gold, because I wanted to do the one thing I didn't get to do in original Wrath... get Shadowmourne. When Ulduar released, and all those dailies became available at the Tournament Grounds in Icecrown, I went hard EVERY DAY to get gold to buy up all the Primordial Saronite needed to craft Shadow's Edge so I was ready to rock when Icecrown Citadel released. For 6 months I busted my ass every day and got up to 200k gold on my own, and I was damn proud. Then my guild collapsed, so I tried finding another guild, but couldn't find one that would allow me to go for Shadowmourne until it was probably too late, but I kept trying, and figured "well, at least there's GDKP for me to try and get it that way." Then the token was released for Classic. I instaquit because I knew I'd never be able to beat the whales that could just swipe their card and get instagold and could easily outbid me every time for Shadowfrost Shards. Gave all my gold to my friend that still plays and dropped out of the game permanently. I have had zero desire to play the game, and haven't since July or August of last year, even with a year long subscription. It irritated the hell out of me that I busted my ass to try and get Shadowmourne legitimately, only to have Timmy use his mom's card and outbid me every time I tried to get geared up, and that was for normal Ulduar GDKPs! The game became pointless. I mean, why even bother? I couldn't get in a guild that would allow me to get Shadowmourne until it was probably too late, and now GDKPs weren't an option because the amount of gold that would be bid would be way more than I could ever get. I'd been playing WoW since December 2004, up to 2023, and I have now quit and will never be back. I just have no desire to play in this environment. It left a really bad taste in my mouth, and instantly disenfranchised me after I spent so long doing things legitimately, only to have the token announced and instantly nullify my hard work.

We been two weeks from the purge of GDKPs so far I haven’t feel that so called doom from gdkpers. Its been great I love the game.

Anecdote: 2004-2010 on Lightnings Blade server, never even heard of any "GDKPs" (all my guilds used DKPs by bidding or rolling with set point costs, or loot councils)

I personally have no issues with GDKPs, I'd prefer they put their effort into banning bots/gold sellers. But if they're going to ban GDKPs because it promotes RMT, they should also ban Paid Mage boosting as well.

I think what Blizard did is great and I have not noticed any negative effect in the game I play daily.

I remember running WotLK raids back in the day using DKP loot. I think the G for gold was not in the name, because this system didn't use gold. You earned imaginary DKP points for killing raid bosses and only for killing raid bosses. And only with your guild group. I don't know how the guild officers managed it, but I assume that the leader had some add on installed that created some local score of killed bosses for each raid member. So the main difference was that not only you didn't need to spend any real game currency, but you of course couldn't buy it. Regretfully, I kept always saving my damn DKP points, hoping I will spend them later. I even passed the best shield I could get back then because the one who outbid me spent outrageous amount of points. I had more, but I saved them. And then the guild fell apart. So I got nothing for withelding from loot all that time.

Small nitpick I had as a GM in classic into Vanilla with GDKPs is it left me with pretty much two options. Either I host a gdkp with the guild for farmed content we don’t need much loot from and bring as many whales as I could while still clearing efficiently, I stop clearing farmed content early l, fking over the people that still need items because it’s hands down the best moneymaker to fund content that actually matters or I force everyone to clear with the guild for 2-3 items with the rest being disenchanted and lock themselves out from the best money maker in the game. It even got to the point we would just send people to gdkp’s with guild gold sometimes so they could get that one item they need from 3 raids back and so everyone else could get their gdkp lockout. It just ruined many of the things about being a successful guild as it was no longer efficient to do farm content together for a couple of items when we could all make enough money for the next 3 weeks of progression in one night instead.

You must be putting in app/desktop sounds in the video on purpose now 😂 I thought my nvidia broadcast was messing up again

I think the thing people don't really realize, is that gold buyers can just buy BOEs off the auction house and pay for carry runs. People treat GDKP as the main reason as to why gold buying and botting exists, but the reality is that these runs are not done exclusively by gold buyers, some people just like to play the AH and spend their gold to raid ; gold buyers spend their gold in other things beyond gear. If you want to stop gold buying, you have to cut it at the root of the problem: bots & hackers, not cut one of the branches.

Guys, i think MadSeasonShow knows what one piece is. Because he always end the videos with: "... in the next one, Piece.

Never been to a GDKP but they sound pretty cool.

5:50 lmao "stop gatekeeping"

When I read "BTFO" I thought MadSeason was gonna be dunking on kids and telling the GDKPers how owned they got, but this was a good lighthearted take on the matter, good show!

Awesome as always! Keep up the great work Mad!

I genuinely believe that GDKPS (along with meta gaming) totally ruined the spirit of WoW. I think this change is a massive win from Blizzard and we are starting to head into the right direction...

I'm a simple man. I see a Madseason video, I give it a thumbs up and watch to the end.

I did a lot of gdkp on my alt in classic and had a blast because of how I made gold. I was able to corner the goblin sapper market on my server by constantly checking the AH and passively making them in the background. I was crazy rich and bought a lot of stupid items including the tentacle trinket from AQ 40. But I always cleared and learned content through my guild on my main and just had the fuck it dollars to enjoy them on a second round without as much commitment.

Love your videos!

I feel you on the "I told you so" man. I was so excited for classic and had a lot of fun, questing and leveling up with my friends from high school, but once I got to level cap I realized it was all just gold farming and rmt and the game was nothing like it was back in '06. Got burnt out and quit classic like a month after burning crusade because it just wasn't the same game. Been playing Ascension, Just cuz I can't justify paying monthly for something that isn't what I want, and yeah sure it's free, but it's just as bad. At least I can go back and watch the old "patch history" videos to engage in some healthy nostalgia.

I can't tell you how happy I am that SoD has brought MadSeason back

My dude, I ran GDKP raids to BWL back in vanilla. And we weren't the first nor the only ones doing it.

The game survived just fine before GDKPs became widespread around the time Naxx released in Classic.

Thinking back to vanilla the players were so bad there was no way you could carry players. I was our only fury dps after the warrior patch and I always pulled threat because the tank just spammed sunder. Things have changed a lot since 2005. I still remember not getting nefs axe over an off tank because I would often agro and die. This was also because threat monitors back then miscalculated heroic strike and execute threat. I bought this up with the main tank that if he can't keep threat he should play like me, but I was ignored.

Bro I love the music - 007 Nintendo game nostalgia right there

I don’t really like the change, rmt is still very much a thing. On the opposite side Ive had several guildies getting 14 day bans for trading other guildies gold without any rmt gold being involved. This in combination with the support layoffs have led to some real annoyances. From my own experience it seems like any substantial trade involving gold taking place within around an hour after completing a dungeon leads to a ban.

honestly im happy your back! please do more lore!

I think that it is very healthy for blizzard to push as much as they can with SoD.

Came for the video, stayed for the GoldenEye music 😊

back in the day you farmed dire maul, now you farm flipping burgers at mcdonalds

This is such a true video, GDKP (I have no time to play more than 2-8 h a week) should be available on separate servers so that players that want to enjoy the full game (not only in WOW) and want to compete with the same type of players (big spenders) can. P.S. I like wow for the story (most of it) and only play with some of my friends but I do hate the micro transactions with all my heart(in any game)

The problem wasn't the gdkp itself, it was that it encouraged buying gold. Although that's not the answer to gold sellers and buyers it definitely is a huge improvement.

Preface: I hate RMT in classic and I hate that people do it. Acquiring Gold legitimately like you said is VERY satisfying. The game feels so real. I did partake in a few GDKPs in TBC Classic as a carry and made some gold that way. It felt good to be a "sword for hire" but it would've felt much more satisfying if I knew that all the gold I received at the end was legitimate and not RMT.

I approve of the GoldenEye soundtrack

The problem is that it doesn't actually fix the issue. SoD is full of gold sinks, (they've actually increased some and added more in this version specifically) which still incentivise buying gold. Also BoE's are HUGE this phase, and will be going forward. The solution is to crack down on RMT and botting. These problems shouldn't exist, they are easy to fix, Blizzard just doesn't WANT to. this is a bandaid that solves nothing.

Love the Golden Eye back ground music part lol

It would be safer if GDKP raids were forced to have a gold cap per player for the raid. If a player bids and wins an item, the amount they bid is deducted from their gold cap for that raid. Someone can spend their full cap on an item they really like, or bid low and maybe no one else will bid higher. If the cap is a reasonable amount, then it makes it more fair for more people. If a raid leader decides to cap the gold at 200000 or some other stupid number, then I assure you that no one will even join that raid. At least then Blizzard doesn't have to outright ban it.

Absolutely agree. BoP items were never intended to be auctioned, you're supposed to earn them. Also, even if Blizzard was doing a better job when it comes to banning RMT, they'd never be able to completely enforce it - no one ever has. The best way to fight against RMT is to chip away at it from every angle you can, and it includes reducing the benefits you get from buying gold by banning GDKP.

It would have been better to actually do something about the bots directly. But banning gdkp is better than nothing and will be overall a positive thing.

Going to tack on that the diff between BoP and BoE is explicitly that. It is clear that people were meant to run the actual raids fairly otherwise the items would all be BoE. Its mental gymnastics otherwise.