Grail Comics Brought Back to Life // Restored Comic Books

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@thundergodd6086 4 жыл бұрын

It's interesting how some fans hate "restored" comics. Yet, when they send in their comic collection to CGC and get them "cleaned and pressed", that's okay, despite the facts that cleaning and pressing is the definition of restoring your book.

@brennanshane146 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's because cleaning and pressing still get blue labels

@joehenry9546 Жыл бұрын

It depends on the technique used. If someone does additive restoration or uses certain chemicals, it will destroy your book. If you are only doing subtractive restoration like cleaning and pressing it would NOT be considered restoration.

@thundergodd6086 Жыл бұрын

@@joehenry9546 It may not be "considered" restoration by CGC but ANY action to that book is be definition, restoration.

@toddkey6212 4 жыл бұрын

My thought is .5s & 1.0s are fair game for resto. Those grades look SO bad that resto is a good idea. Once you get to 1.5... even though that's a very low grade.... leave it alone. I like to look for PLODs that have a very small amount of resto, buy them at a seriously reduced price, and remove the resto. I've had some great success doing this. My greatest victory was taking a 7.0 AF15 PLOD (small amount of color touch), cracking it out of the slab to discover it only had 1 dot of color touch on the spine. I carefully scraped it off, resubmitted it to CGC and got a 7.0 Blue label. If you know AF15 prices then you know the value of the comic jumped an amazing amount.

@komscollections4346 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats on that come up. Insane!

@williamhammock4821 3 жыл бұрын

I'm with you here. I want to buy an old comic, and I want to see the history. But there's also something to be said about a really bad .5 where 1/2 the cover is missing and I'd rather have a qualified 3.0 missing a stupid ad page, or a light resto 3.0 etc.

@ComicCryptoStock 4 жыл бұрын

Two of those covers are my books that Mike at Hero Restoration is working on for me.

@Serjohn 2 жыл бұрын

That verse stung bub, but I've already recovered. I'll call you tomorrow morning if I need my toast buttered

@sgauthier273 2 жыл бұрын

I would rather have a lower grade unrestored blue label key than a higher grade purple label restored key. I was quite surprised to see Todd McFarlane owned restored keys considering he has the money to buy the highest grade blue label available. Still just to own those grails is huge especially action comics #1.

@DukeCityExplorer 4 жыл бұрын

It's definitely a work of art... 👍👌🎩

@bws205 4 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with restored comics, and they are seriously undervalued. Without restoration many comics would get further destroyed with time (e.g. trimming chipping/jagged edges). I'm pretty annoyed by collectors who won't touch / trash talk restored comics.

@wg8561 4 жыл бұрын

I've got 3 restored purple labels. One is a MAD #9. It looks goid and I got it for a good price. I don't mind sometimes, especially on something like that. It's really hard to find them in good shape and if you do they are thousands of dollars.

@kwhuisman 4 жыл бұрын

It's like restoring paintings. If it's done well it's awesome. If it's overdone or bad it's ..bad. I wouldn't mind restored books in my collection.

@THEBIGGESTSCUMBAG Жыл бұрын

ORIGINAL IS BEST

@MrPaulywog 4 жыл бұрын

It's an art form for sure. I know some stay away from these but I look at as preserving history.

@DDumbrille 2 жыл бұрын

Preserving 'history'. That was funny.

@F4lc0_Is Жыл бұрын

@@DDumbrille you are preserving a part of history, however quaint, insignificant or childish you may consider it to be. It is also valid to consider it art and culture, and comics hold a lot of social signficance, considering their presence as an entertainment medium, their influence in their consumers and how they were produced by different people throughout the years. It also goes beyond the story and art that is being printed, as its advertisements, price and other addendums can give you a big insight into the time in which they were produced, and the comic book issue in and of itself also bears history as a physical item, each issue will have its own personal history. While many don't have it evident, and collectors usually seek the more untouched specimens, there are loads of comics out there who can tell personal stories, or at least give you a clue about their previous owners.

@pearlzie9118 2 жыл бұрын

Restoration is always a good idea

@derricklavigne5362 4 жыл бұрын

I've got a Daredevil #1 1964 version which has 3 whole punches in it. I assume someone at some point had it stuck in a 3 ring binder. I would def use this service to try and get it restored!

@tikertiker2 Жыл бұрын

Funny think I just saw it up for sale this week

@256kar 3 жыл бұрын

I've got a bulk 181 that's pretty beat. I plan on submitting it to hero restoration asap

@michaelirizarry4860 4 жыл бұрын

If some folks truly treasure their books and restore said books, they are honoring the effort that the artist and writer made to that book. You are not destroying the history, just preserving it...

@BrooksSeanRobinson 4 жыл бұрын

Would the grading companies spot restoration if it's done that skillfully? I'd be curious to see.

@hulksmash8159 3 жыл бұрын

None of these tactics are new and yes, they can be spotted by someone familiar with the various tactics used.

@devilbunny2000 4 жыл бұрын

higher grade older comics are rare. all comics are on a countdown to destruction , that's why they are valuable. go watch that raggedy ann and andy Christmas special where the wolf wants to put all the toys in glop, or gloop so that they can last forever and always be beautiful. . my first cgc was a weird war tales #1 and I cut it open . I bought the book to read it and was pissed I couldn't get at it. comic books are books. if you are going to just slab it , save some money and buy a poster. ( I have a werewolf by night #32 cgc 6 for sale on ebay as we speak , it was part of a larger group) lol.

@berkfamily54 4 жыл бұрын

really really interesting video Tom and Ryan!!!

@jacobphillips8410 4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't restoring the comics make them last longer, which is the goal in the long run? Being able to have them and enjoy them for more time?

@ComiccollectorGamer 3 жыл бұрын

I’m considering Getting one of my comic books Restored

@jrizzle141 3 жыл бұрын

I just bought a Flash #105 that is in horrible condition, cover is detached and a couple pages replaced. It's a 'raw' comic that the seller graded of 0.5. I eventually want to buy a 6.0 - 7.0 slab of it, but for now I can't decide if it's worth restoring to a 'respectable' condition for a showpiece of a 20+ issue run of the collection or if I should just try to pawn it off and use the proceeds towards the slab. Thoughts from the pro's here is greatly appreciated.

@jrizzle141 3 жыл бұрын

The rest of the collection is mostly all between 3.5 and 4.5 quality with 1-2 5.0's for reference.

@Patstickyman 4 жыл бұрын

Your Alphonse comment got my subscription

@chrisrichmond8269 10 ай бұрын

I submitted three books last November and was told at the time it was an 11 week turnaround. It is now the end of August and no sign of the books. I was told in June that they would be mailed out soon. Anyone else have the same experience?

@knp33 4 жыл бұрын

holy cow! is that the book from the old Are You Afraid of the Dark episode??????!!!!

@alpertroncp2198 4 жыл бұрын

I don't have an issue with minor restoration. I don't like new pieces being added, but things like tear seals and spine repairs I don't have any problems with. Adding whole pages or missing torn corners takes it a bit far for me.

@scarpad 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid !

@shannongreer6175 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice enlightening video!!

@komscollections4346 4 жыл бұрын

Why is pressing not considered restoration but removing staple rust is? I think restoration should be saved for "adding stuff" to the book. I feel like if I follow the dollar I'm sure pressing isnt considered restoration because CGC offers pressing services? Or is my comic conspiracy hat on too tight?

@egraham5718 4 жыл бұрын

Great content guys. It’s nice to find people who genuinely care for the hobby, and don’t mind sharing their knowledge. How am I just finding your show now?!? Geeking responsibly, thanks!

@SilverGoldComics 4 жыл бұрын

Personally, I would never buy a restored comic, just not for me. But, I had a JLofA #1 come back from CGC as "Conserved" (This was a blue label PGX before sending to CGC!) I read about conserved, but still don't fully understand. To me it's either restored or not. If you do another video on restoration, please discuss conserved comics. Thanks!

@ComicCryptoStock 4 жыл бұрын

SuperJoe. Conservation includes solvent cleaning tear seals staple cleaning no color touch or pieces added. It’s basically something CGC invented a few years ago before they came up with the gray label all of those books would have been considered restored purple label books by CGC. Gray beats purple all other things held equal.

@pearlzie9118 2 жыл бұрын

If the restoration is done perfectly I say yes! Restoration is love

@Chicago611 4 жыл бұрын

I would have this process done to my Hulk #180, #181.

@joshuaclark1930 Жыл бұрын

This is an extremely refreshing video, compared to a lot of your recent stuff! Your vocal tone is organic, with natural inflections and genuine timbre, as opposed to the shrill over-punctuation and "morning zoo" antics... Please maintain this orientation from here on out... it suits the subject and is far less clown shoes than a ton of the recent gimmicky shit. Your content is phenomenal, regardless, but yeah, the chillness of this is like an oasis of knowledge, unfolding without pretense or conceit. Oh shit... this is from 2.5 years ago... fuuu

@fjficm 4 жыл бұрын

im all for it but its not cheap

@kellygoodine9944 4 жыл бұрын

Restored is absolutely fine by me... returning these books closer to there original beauty is a good thing.

@kellygoodine9944 4 жыл бұрын

....As long as its clearly acknowledged the book was restored for anyone buying it. Plus I look at it as increasing the longevity of the book which outweighs everything else.

@mikeschroeder9152 4 жыл бұрын

Rusty staples are the death of comics. I can see replacing them. I do collect lower grade so I'm ok with a restored comic.

@chrisbarron5996 4 жыл бұрын

I have a few books that I would definitely do that to

@22Chemicals 4 жыл бұрын

The culture of collecting comics in the 80's and 90's drove an abundance of amateur restoration (terrible magic marker color touch, trimming edges, pressing comics with a clothing iron, etc...) in hopes of the seller getting more money for higher grades. Now that CGC grading drives the current market, restored books (amateur or professional) get a deadly and undesirable purple mark. This current thinking is driving amateurs to dry clean and press books (without any professional direction) because it isn't considered "restoration". Is it not possible that heating comics in a press could potentially cause books to prematurely become brown and brittle in the future?? Only time will tell. I believe there is great value in quality, conservative, and professional restoration (especially in rare, expensive books in the fair to good range). Antique automobiles are perfectly acceptable when restored professionally. I think that the comic collecting culture should be more accepting and appreciative of professional restoration and should treat amateur restoration differently and value it a lot less. Also, we may need to be a lot more leery of current, non-professional cleaning and pressing methods, because we don't know if the future collecting culture will be accepting of them.

@komscollections4346 4 жыл бұрын

Restoration in the collectible market is tricky. 100% dependent on each market. Classic cars is a brilliant example. Comics are the opposite. Its interesting in some markets having a "pure / as is" version of the collectible is better than a professionally restored collectible.

@EthanRom 3 жыл бұрын

Still watching, but I don't think restorations are as awful as people make it out to be. Half of the paintings considered some of the most expensive art pieces of all time are restored. Heck, 70% of Da Vinci's Last Supper is a restoration. As long as the proper documentation exist to get the restoration 1:1 I don't see a problem. Some people may look to restoration if the amount of high grade issues in circulation are so low.

@alienscumbagable 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative video! Also, there’s an editing mishap on 10:03. Cheers!

@robertt9342 4 жыл бұрын

I'd rather a book be restored instead of it further wasting away. I have a bigger problem with people "destroying" books to remove restoration. Sure small defacement here and there, or removal of harmful additions I get, but there have been a few horror stories of books that have had their covers nearly shredded to make sure they got rid of all the color touch.

@bderek85 4 жыл бұрын

When can i marry Ryan?

@apexpreddy6837 4 жыл бұрын

Are pressed book restoration books. Press book are technically not original they've been tampered with . reason for so many 9.6 9.8 on the market.

@williamhammock4821 3 жыл бұрын

Good point LOL , I'll guess we will see what happens in 10 years as paper memory comes into play.

@ComicCryptoStock 4 жыл бұрын

My opinion. If it’s already restored then it’s ok to make it better. If it’s original leave it alone.

@artboston4787 4 жыл бұрын

I hate restored books. I'll take a lower grade universal any day over a higher grade purple. The introduction of CGC to the hobby created more resistance to restored books. The wildly outdated Gerber photo journal mentioned in previous videos (1989) with the now debunked by the internet and CGC census scarcity ratings, actually recommended cleaning since it wasn't restoration (whoops!). Some people considered it resto while others like Ernie Gerber felt incorrectly it wasn't. There was more gray area on restoration back then. When CGC arrived they drew a hard line on resto with their dreaded purple labels. The old wet cleaning technique once used is now clearly restoration and that's generally accepted as such.

@THEBIGGESTSCUMBAG Жыл бұрын

I'LL CHOOSE A .5 ORIGINAL OVER A 9.8 RESTORED *ANY* *DAY*

@etrx87 2 жыл бұрын

If the book is like a 0.5 beat-to-hell major golden age key, why not? Get it to like a 6.5. Although there is in my opinion a limit to the extent to which books should be restored. Whoever is making these 9.6 Frankenbooks, please stop. They will never sell for the money they are asking for them anyway (in the millions)

@D1ARBO 4 жыл бұрын

Some items lend themselves to restoration such as tools, cars....wives. Comics to my mind at least, not so much.

@jerryp7721 4 жыл бұрын

Hate restored books. Would much rather have a 0.5 universal then a 5.0 restored. Just something about the originality of books that makes them have appeal to me.

@ChinUp4U2 2 жыл бұрын

Restored comics in cased* in plastic will never last on account of what was done to them, During the heating season when the heat kicks in, those incased* comics will leach inside them slabs. Leach what? We won't know because there's no real records of processes used to restore them. Chemicals invite an all new problem now that humitity kicks in from your havoc / heating system. Chemicals on paper invite new bacterial mold growth when moisture levels inhouse rise.. etc.

@thenerdcomicbookco.est.1966 4 жыл бұрын

I own several keys with reproduction covers because i cant afford to complete a run of spiderman or FF even with my great salary to each his own.

@yicketyyackety 4 жыл бұрын

At some point the restoration is not worth the cost. I mean you can spend hundreds right? But I will say these near 9.8 copies look mahvelous.

@rolliedoughlie8464 4 жыл бұрын

Hard pass on restored books

@aLabs666 4 жыл бұрын

So it's common practice to restore say the mona lisa... or some van gogh garbage considered "fine / priceless art" yet it's frowned upon to restore comic books that are page to page art, collected...

@hulksmash8159 3 жыл бұрын

Fine art is one of a kind whereas comics are printed in bulk. That said, yes, fixing up comics to preserve them is a great thing to do.

@jonathantaylor9881 4 жыл бұрын

Won't ever buy restored.

@oceanrising6137 4 жыл бұрын

I understand how the community feels towards comic restoration. Whenever you come across a comic book that has been restored, then it loses it's value and it is worth only half of what the comic is worth when it's un-restored. But when you think about a highly valuable comic book that's a complete mess, that's when Hero Restoration can come in and make magic. I've seen them take an unrestored messy comic book that you could barely handle without causing more damage, that was a 1.0 and bring it up to a 7.0. Purely art

@stephennewberry9815 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, all this restoration snobbery could only come from the comic book world. All this slabbing and grading the last 20 years was the start. CGCs in your face slab banner of purple for them. For a book people would probably what to display. Nope. Everyone wants a blue banner. No one just enjoys thier books anymore. How could you if you slab it? Especially orphans that don't get into reprint books. Have you eever seen a masterpiece in a museum saying..... restored. No you dont, but nearly everyone of them have at some stage in its life.

@hermanfaulkingham430 4 жыл бұрын

I think it’s totally dependent on the book for restoration, something like the Avengers you showed us definitely understandable, but say doing just color touch or staples replaced on a book like FF1 or Detective Comics 27 would be sacrilege to me..... I also imagine there are times where it’s worth restoring in order to best preserve a book. Definitely a case by case thing and no hard line for me on it.

@darthsneaky 4 жыл бұрын

Restoration feels like a "pay to win" situation, where you can get a grade you want if you're willing to pay enough. For those that want reproductions of keys, I suggest getting the facsimiles that are available. Still waiting for a facsimile of Werewolf by Night #32.

@MarcSpectorComics 4 жыл бұрын

I dont touch restored books. It's like the stigma of people taking steroids do people do it yes is it wrong yes and do people get away with it yes. People do the same with comics. Was it common practice with golden age yes is it wrong yes.

@gtols228 4 жыл бұрын

Tim again. I'm old dont do Facebook, snap chat etc got money, a marvel #1 somewhere I need to give u my ph number so I can send pics .I haven't looked at my comics n 30 yrs .I went nuts in 70s,80s,93 I stopped. Comics, all cards beanies lmao hot wheels slot cars