Guillotine tools, a closer look at two new additions
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4 жыл бұрынA while back I received two new guillotine tools from some viewers. I thought we could take a closer look at each of these unique guillotines from Jerry and Matt
Jerry's blade fullering tool www.etsy.com/listing/77370034...
Matt's Guillotine tool www.cloverdaleforge.com/order/
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@hosiercraft9675 4 жыл бұрын
John, do you remember when you were just about to get 1000 subscribers? I do, I've been subscribed since way back then. I only bring it up because until recently when I've been going back and re-watching many of your old videos. I didn't notice before but your videos have gotten so much better! Not only better camera, better sounds, but you are so much more smooth and natural. It's more like being in the shop with you then ever before. Keep up the great work!. Looking forward for you to get 1 million.
@jetblackstar 4 жыл бұрын
Literally just came to comments to say the exact same thing 😁🔨
@cae2487 Жыл бұрын
I wish I would have seen this video when it came out originally but I have one suggestion for John and anyone who sees this comment in the future and that is instead of hitting the dies with your hammer you are much better off hitting the dies with a brass hammer or a heavy rubber mallet. The reason for this is to save your dies from getting all banged up and distorted. I really love both of the designs on these guillotine tools. Thanks for sharing.
@terrycarwile6499 4 жыл бұрын
My "wish I'da thought of that" list is a long one! :)
@paulorchard7960 4 жыл бұрын
Useful tools I could use, Santa’s going to need to upgrade his sleigh to carry the weight!
@jetblackstar 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly would hate to be Santa for one of us Smith's, a guillotine is probably the least of his back problems lol
@jojomama4787 4 жыл бұрын
A couple well thought out tools,my compliments on the builders!Not only do they make nice tools but they send them out to get real world punishment(and exposure!)...Thanks to all involved!
@cloverdaleforge 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking a look at these! Its good to here your feedback.
@damonlarson940 4 жыл бұрын
John: Tip for the Cloverdale hardy hole attachment that is quick/easy and involves no welding. Grab a length of square bar of the desired size, drill and tap 1/2 UNC hole in the center. Then drill a separate hole for the split pin to go into (the one you removed). The pin is to prevent rotation of the square bar, alignment only. I ended up welding a shank onto another plate like you were discussing and only figured it out afterwards.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Great ideas, now why didn't i think of that
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc 4 жыл бұрын
Now you have to make a hook to store them on the wall!! ;--)
@NeilGraham.I.M.F 4 жыл бұрын
Really like the fact that it's adjustable 1/2" 3/4" 1"
@justinblagden7817 4 жыл бұрын
I've got one of the ones that Matt (Cloverdale Forge) makes. Its great to see goodies from my favorite Manitoba smith!
@TheOldaz1 4 жыл бұрын
I have tapped holes in my 5/8" thick bench top to suit various vices and their position. I use set screws in the holes from underneath in holes not being used and ground flat to stop junk getting in the threads and maintain a flat work surface. Nice tools John, I need one :-)
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
ingenious solution
@hvforge9147 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice tools.
@Alanbataar 4 жыл бұрын
Both of those tools have mounting ears with holes. You could make a sub-plate for each that has the Hardy shank & bolt them together. Best of both worlds.
@glencrandall7051 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting tools. Well thought out and constructed. Thank you for sharing. Stay healthy.
@eboyd3416 4 жыл бұрын
Well don't I feel silly, I have a C shape helper and in a day you came up with two uses I hadn't thought about. Thanks much.
@brianfalls5038 2 жыл бұрын
Love both of those guillotine tools there John. They way they are both designed is amazing and it looks like there is so much you can do with both of them. A lot of flexibility on both of them.
@marcerivest6204 4 жыл бұрын
Wow,a lot of toth was put into this tool, very impressive tool have it adjustable and with no welding. Both are great, and l wish this video would have been a year ago. Too late to change mine now. Like I said before you are a really good teacher.
@Munxcub 4 жыл бұрын
I was told the pin is also for using a longer bolt into a threaded Hardie shank to keep it from rotating on the shank. Drill a little hole for the pin on the shank.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Now that makes a lot of sense
@Joe___R 4 жыл бұрын
I really like the c frame one since it allows you to work on a much larger piece of steel that the other one.
@dianastasny9338 4 жыл бұрын
You'd only need to use one fence at a time on Jerry's tool, letting the metal expand as expected. If it starts to stretch unevenly to one side, flip the piece over or come in from the other side (assuming a centered fuller).
@amosmahtal770 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review. I am very interested in the cloverdale guillotine tool and the price is even better. After I get some iron work sold off this could be on the order list. Thank you for your efforts.
@bc65925 4 жыл бұрын
With a flat plate and a chisel tip top die that would be at least a way to mark a cut down the center of a bar.
@harrisgraves592 4 жыл бұрын
I thought of that too👍
@daretodreamtofly3288 4 жыл бұрын
That "knife Fuller" tool might be a good thing to have to make wood working chisel for wood turners. and maybe getting a spoon knife bend started. Those are all things you probably don't want to spread and need to have the curve very consistently in the center.
@douglasfathers4848 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice tools and well done to there makers ,and well done buy the blacksmith that interested to present them.
@franciscoalfonso5688 Жыл бұрын
Excelent!! Thankyou
@darrenthompson6115 4 жыл бұрын
As usual John, great natural video. Well done...
@olddawgdreaming5715 4 жыл бұрын
Good video John, great engineering on both of those guillotine tools. Thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
@hannemannironworks1651 4 жыл бұрын
Now that’s really thinking outside the triangle! Those are really cool tools!
@ajwhittlebang6977 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for sharing to you and the guys. Always learning. Always. Sadly freight to Australia kills most purchases BUT truly interesting ideas for the next one I make after I kill the last helper rece tly cobbled together from steel already with many lives. I love smithing and fabing. Makes me feel complete.and smithing is one of the most useful among many skillsets aquired over 60 years..
@patrickharmon9459 2 жыл бұрын
I like the C tool the best 👌
@tokolosh11 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video John, both of them very clever.
@jetblackstar 4 жыл бұрын
My oh my have I missed your videos. I've been on a break from forging and watching your vids for almost a year (KZfaq stopped showing me your videos because I didn't watch enough). I've been subscribed since you did the first making hammers videos. I do remember commenting youd gone a bit cheesy with an intro for one of your videos about a year ago and I missed the more human organic way you used to do your videos. My goodness have you nailed it while I've been gone. Vid, sound, camera angle, lighting and still as friendly and human as you first were. You always used to do end result outros or photos but this one was smooth, lovely music and smooth editing. Not cheesy and the best place for that kind of thing. I'm sure they won't always be necessary or you have time but it just shows how far you've come. And quite telling that I'm not the only post on this video saying this. I will enjoy catching up with all I've missed.
@clarklindquist8137 4 жыл бұрын
Love this video. Stay safe brother. Stay blessed
@stevedingman474 4 жыл бұрын
Wow I think I’d like to have both !
@marty01957 4 жыл бұрын
Both look like very useful tools, John! Thanks for the extra videos, don't wear yourself out! Stay safe, stay healthy!
@lenblacksmith8559 4 жыл бұрын
Both look good John. Work well.
@BigWillSD 4 жыл бұрын
Great overview, For under a hundred bucks, Matt's die is well worth trying out. After this bs crisis and I get back to work I'll definitely be ordering one to try out.
@frankgaletzka8477 4 жыл бұрын
Hello John You are a wonderfull guy . First you Show the Tools sent to you by other Black smiths and You crtisized yourself for the idea you dont have and them you Shows the difficulties you have usesing the Tools that are not from the Tools but from you Good work The tool are amazing so much work to produce the Tools but they Last a long time Well Done Greeting from Germany and my livingroom we have to stay at home 🥺🤔 Stay healthy and all the best Yours Frank
@oddwoodforge2305 4 жыл бұрын
I just got a c frame from steve at uncle bucks forge. Best tool ever.
@1averageamerican 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing these. I have a DIY guillotine tool that is not the best. Just ordered the Cloverdale kit and a few blanks in each steel.
@jackdawg4579 4 жыл бұрын
one thing I notice about both tools - good thick plate. To many people make these out of material that is to light.
@ramboharrisons1917 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like Mats tool could have a base mad to fit the hardy hole and have multiple tools for the same base or mount to the bench
@ericcartrette6118 4 жыл бұрын
I've recently bought a new touch mark. Looking at it, I was trying to think up a way to insert it into a guillotine tool so I could get a better, more even blow on it to make it neater. Something like that fullering guillotine would be perfect! It would have to be more narrow for the touch mark though.
@verndahl3848 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, wish i would have bought the cloverdale one instead of the one that i did. Maybe i still will.
@Zogg1281 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool!! I'm trying to work out a guillotine tool made from a section of steel I beam, the problems I have are that I'm only using a 20kg anvil and I'm not able to lift heavy thing, due to my back. I did have a brain wave of making the tool so it sita on the floor (not on the anvil) and I use a length of I beam that means that the metal I'm working sits at the same hight as my anvil. I then buy a long enough leagth that also ove 20kg!!! Problem solved as I don't even have to move the guillotine to use it 😁 Thanks for the video 👍
@ramboharrisons1917 4 жыл бұрын
Spoke to soon
@RayFromTheHayclan 4 жыл бұрын
I have an idea for a future project. You could make a.c - clamp using the top and bottom fuller.
@tinkmarshino 4 жыл бұрын
ah.. tools for the tool maker... nice...
@jamesbarisitz4794 4 жыл бұрын
And a hole puch, a pattern stamp, 45 degree brackets..
@jamesbrandon8520 4 жыл бұрын
The one for fullering you could make veining dies for leaves
@harrisgraves592 4 жыл бұрын
Possibilities are kinda endless
@rizzocalrizzian6047 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought one from cloverdale forge, and the pin is to keep the hardy shank from spinning. But I never seen an option to buy the threaded hardy shank on the website. It just said it was optional to order on the one page instructions.
@johnlockstein8617 4 жыл бұрын
Make dies for adds gouges thanks for all information over the years I have two sun in laws and grand sun interested
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Dies for hand gouges would be doable, but I think and adze would be much larger than I could fit.
@danielcrawford7315 4 жыл бұрын
Lol see a new room addition coming..." the tool shed" lol. Both of those look to be pretty handy. Thanks for sharing these. 🙏blessed be now Crawford out 🧙♂️
@williamsultana3848 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jonh
@rjg3876 4 жыл бұрын
Your like Me. When all else fails read the instructions
@forgeworxblacksmith6453 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting tools John and we'll made. What steels are good for the fullering dies. We are very limited in what is available in carbon steel flat stock here in NZ.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
4140 makes good dies
@forgeworxblacksmith6453 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge thankyou very much John
@jamesbarisitz4794 4 жыл бұрын
Make a mount for the power hammer. The mind boggles...
@TheRonald6524 4 жыл бұрын
Can you buy the guillotine tools ? Someone please let me know
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think both f these are available at the links provided in the video description
@opa_plays_mw5318 4 ай бұрын
Sadly, both of those are bad links now.
@GypsyJvan 4 жыл бұрын
Good review however, that central Fuller tool doesn't look like it works very well, because as you using the Fuller, you were spreading the material outwards and binding the outside fences.. so that's not a very good design.. also I noticed that you covered up the top of the block with ur hand where you were hitting with the hammer and it started to deform so that was not hardened or tempered very well...next time, please be honest with your review. And tell it like it is.. but, again thanks for the review.. I do enjoy your show. The Flying J..
@wyoblacksmithtools3097 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, Thank you for your input. I made that tool. The guides are not intended to be drawn up tightly to the edges of the blade like barriers because blades are hardly ever straight and the steel expands when heated and widens when fullered. In fact, one guide works well. They are more for a visual sighting or aid, like the shoulders down both sides of a highway. The actual fuller groove becomes your best method of sighting to the tip after the first few hits. I have been thinking of putting a kind of blade tip sliding carrier on the backside as an aid like a front sight on a rifle also. I too, was surprised at the striking end deformation. It is 4140 steel left untreated because if you did harden them, the striking end would have to be tempered back down anyway to prevent brittleness. The fuller end is contacting red hot steel so any temper you do put in would be changed over a short period of time. Air hardening steels such as S7 would be ideal, except for the cost. I make a lot of dies and I have not yet seen that happen on the 4140 steel, treated or not. I appreciate and welcome your criticisms and ideas and I will take them into consideration as I improve current tools and make other tools. Thanks, Jerry
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