Same for Giselle !!! and i’ve also noticed that Winter’s high notes in live doesn’t sound as flat and as piercing as the official songs

I always thought her chorus in spicy was kinda meh because it didn't fit her but still gave it to her cause yknow main vocal And then i checked behind the recording of it and it was better than the actual song so idk what happened

@@YT_Cyto_LKyeah me too but tbh winter and ningning just belt differently. winter is more chesty (strained) and ningning is more heady (lighter) so that’s something to consider too. but i do agree that ningning chorus was kinda meh but she barely has any lines in that song anyway.

lmao, name one single "flat" note that Winter sings on any of their recorded songs. You people will say anything, i swear. @@mohhhhhhhhgjghvcy

@@WaitingForTheHookits their opinion

It's cringe whenever they say things like "deep voice" "real voice" "fake voice" or "powerful voice" (I hate this one by far)

Especially when they say "deep voice" instead of vocal fry

@@jeffersonbauzon156 don't get me started on "powerful voice"

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 there's another one, they say "unique voice" idk whatever it means but it gives me goosebumps...

@@BY_byb that one is fine in my book, however when they say that as a way to cover up the fact their faves can't hold a note, that's where I cringe

I have this habbit when I come across a new channel like that - I start by watching their reactions to 3 artists with vary different skill levels (ex. So-hynag, Exo/Mamammo then BTS/Blackpink): Even if they are super polite and tactful, there should still be a clear difference in their reaction if they are honest and actually know what they are talking about. If there is, I have my "calibration" for their reactions and I can watch them react to other artists and know how to inerpret the "polite" speak.

yeah, not only singers when reacting to vocals, but dancers reacting to their dancing, video editors reacting to their MVs. all is either quiet, polite smiles, or positive feedback. VERY rarely they speak on something they were not a fan of, and when they do, they walk on eggshels to get their point across, and make the problem as diminute as possible (even if it's not that of a small issue). i get it, we all want our faves praised, but i hate watching all those, wanting to LEARN, and all i hear is a somewhat empty praise and politeness

​@@Pos1t1veThinkingDo you have any vocal channel recs that pass your requirements? I too like the ones that aren't afraid to get cancelled by rabid stans lol.😆

@@Rozzness Nothing too original (popular channels) and they are very careful and tactful, just seem honest to me: Sam Johnson, Katriinka

Same ! Nmixx stability is amazing ! Mamamooo focuses on easier choreo to make sure their vocals are always stable and that's also what i love about them, with a bit less choreo they bring ME more emotions, and nmixx brings ME fun watching them perform

I think so too, I'm a moomoo and I was completely shocked by how stable NMIXX are, but sadly nmixx songs aren't my jam so hopefully they will release some songs that I like in the future.

@@julienc3349 oh yeah definitely! i like mamamoo's choreos because they leave space to interact with each other and the audience. watching a mamamoo performance always feels like you're included with them, like you're partying with this group of really cool but chaotic women lmao

@@Aria-nu6ko i liked o.o and dice but their recent releases haven't really been my style either.

Yes, agree!! Mamamoo is (and probably will always be) my favorite kpop girl group, but I always watch the live performances of Nmixx with an open mouth! They are sooo talented! Sadly some of their songs are not really my type but I still support them

To me, it saddens me more than scares me, because it means that they have no work life, no social life, just no life in general. And the kpop companies are obviously taking advantage of their loneliness. And there’s no way of getting them out, it has to be on them to get themselves out of the dark hole…that doesn’t excuse their behaviour tho, they’re really another level of feral. Excuse my sad rant, it just frustrates me to see kpop companies take advantage of their sad reality and easily turn them into the rabid fans we interact with today, all to save face.

Because no matter how bad or regressing they are, the so-called fans always ate it up without hesitations. No criticism allowed or they're going to see it as a hate lmao.

Parasocial relationships are weird man these people feel strong emotional connections to these idols even romantic ones even though these idols probably don’t even know who they are or what they look like and these fans have no clue how these idols actually act when the cameras aren’t on them. And tbh the kpop industry feeds off those relationships that’s how they keep fans engaged, it’s unfortunate really because while fans are quick to call out other idols they find it incredibly difficult to to call out their own favs and accept that they aren’t absolutely perfect because “HOW DARE YOU THATS THE LOVE OF MY LIFE 🤬 their voice might be flat 3/4th of the time and the rare times they aren’t flat they’re straining the hell out of their voice and it definitely doesn’t sound good and honestly yeah you’re right they should try improving but you can’t say that cause you don’t know anything about them 😢 you don’t know them like I know them 🤬🤬”

It's so true..like me I love kpop but I have life outside of kpop too.. it's why I left some kpop fandom because I think that I spent too much time on that group that it gets in the way of my studying and education.. honestly after I left that fandom I feel much more better. I can focus on myself more..I think some people need to stop depends on kpop too much like it's their life I see so many fans said that kpop is their life,I honestly feel bad for them Plus some kpop fans clearly don't know what constructive criticism is

​@@rashelreyes1880you speak facts!👏

NMIXX have great songs period.

@@solinkdc2645 I like their bsides and I think their concept can still work, but honestly I think the producers of SM have done the MIX concept the best throughout the gens (TVXQ, GG, Aespa). I just don’t think JYP has the writers to do it right. I did like Dice though. I think that title track is their strongest to date.

nmixx is an impressive girl group, and their stability for live performances is insane. I agree that for girl groups they are the standard, but for kpop in general, SHINee remains the pinnacle of kpop in terms of live performance. It's been over 15 years with several impressive stages with various types of demanding choreographies + songs with greater vocalization difficulties. Even now after 30 years old, working simultaneously as soloists, WITHOUT THE 2 MAIN VOCALS, and delivering incredible stages with just 3 people. What other kpop group does this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bqibh8t3q83IqqM.htmlfeature=shared kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m51pn8lluJnLe6M.htmlfeature=shared kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMl8gZR9r5u4lKs.htmlfeature=shared kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b5uleNdqquDUhmw.htmlfeature=shared kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZ6diJyardTGpac.htmlfeature=shared

I honestly think the "Jisung is a main vocalist" sentiment stems from Minho and I.N being bit underdeveloped vocally wise, before getting a new teacher.

​@@paulinemoira8442 Jisung is the one who sung the high not in Hellevator, because the actual main vocal at the time was struggling to reach it. When they still had positions he was lead vocalist together with Seungmin and Bang Chan - I.N. and Minho were only sub vocalists. After their main vocal left they ditched positions, but the ones who took the challenging parts were mostly Seungmin and Jisung. Seungmin tooking the main vocal mantle was mostly a matter of Jisung focusing on music production rather than developing his vocal skill.

​@paulinemoira8442 Lee Know isn't part of the vocal line anyways. He's part of the dance line. And Han simply is one of the best vocalists in Skz. Not many call him a main vocalist, but honestly he isn't that much worse than Seungmin and since Skzs vocal line isn't particularly strong, him actually being a main vocalist wouldnt be too far fetched. Especially since there's arguably a smaller gap between Han and Seungmin than between Han and I.N, who's their third best vocalist. So Seungmin being their first main vocalist, Han being their second main vocalist, I.N being their first lead vocalist and Chan being their 2nd lead vocalist sounds good to me.

​@@Simon05212Stray Kids let go of positions years ago, Lee Know is their dance leader AND a vocalist.

@ashurasama Unofficial positions still exist .... Why do u think everyone calls Liz the main vocalist of Ive when in reality Ive doesn't have positions? Why does everyone call Yunjin the main vocalist of LeSerafim when they don't have positions? Positions still exist w'ether officially or unofficially. And if we consider each members skill and technique the main vocalists should be Seungmin and Han while the lead vocalists should be I.N and arguably Chan. Lee Know would be their main dancer + (sub) vocalist and for me members without a main/lead vocalist positions arent part of the vocal line

i do feel like its commendable that he has those skills without much formal, focused training though

he does go to vocal lessons, at least last year he started going to the one that seungmin, jeongin go to

Agree. For dance analysis I also recommend a channel called facts and fiction and for stage presence everglow-up ❤️

It took you 10 years to get tired of the delusional and immature squabbling? You must have the patience of a saint! I got into K-pop approximately six months ago, and the culture shock was something else. I mean from the fans, and from the videos that tear apart the music (not complex enough!), vocals (not good enough!), dance ([insert personal dislike] is lazy!), debuts (“so embarrassing for k-pop!” I saw this one too often with Babymonster), comebacks (omg what is Itzy thinking with “cake”? THIS one proves the group is a total flop), idols, and groups to shreds over the most ridiculous petty nonsense. Is it just me or are girl groups the targets of much more criticism, especially regarding music and performance? After about a month, I decided only to subscribe to channels that do positive or neutral content, like their favourite songs of the month and things like that. For me, music should be fun and an escape. I don’t need more drama-ma-ma-ma (sorry could not resist!), conflict, and tension and things like that. There is kind of a humourous side to the over-the-top reactions, though. People who think their knowledge of music and their personal taste would improve a group because the group is doing everything wrong according to these people. Yet the group is fantastically successful. 🤔 I don’t mind constructive criticism or debates that are kept civil. Anyway, happy new year! 🎉🎶🪩❤️

@@ewaewa463 thank you for the tip! ❤

@@dronesclubhighjinks it’s not you, women always get treated worse. It’s not just Kpop, it’s in the western music industry too.

@@CleverUsername69420 thanks for replying! I agree about the western music industry - and the media coverage of female celebs is much harsher. People don’t seem to care if male celebrities gain weight or get plastic surgery.

I think this is just one of the pillars of truth of Kpop, haha. EXO has always delivered vocals. My other favourite singers aside from SHINee

The fact they done some acapella in their song "Tempo", speaks a lot about their vocals quality. They never let down. 💓

I agree

SAY IT! you're SO right

As an Army first and foremost. I agree. They are one of the main reasons I got into kpop. That and a nicklodeon special about the wonder girls and coming accidentally into Kara step lazily surfing youtube

THIS

Twice is the biggest example of this. I would say Jihyo and Nayeon but Jeongyeon and Nayeon is the most in your face description of this. Nayeon has the widest range in twice and surprisingly, the best lower register in the group. However, throughout Jihyo and Jeongyeon's ranges, they are technically better than Nayeon

From another black kpop fan: Thank you for saying this. When he said that, the thought that literally ran through my head was, "Well, obviously. They don't sing like that in kpop." He's comparing apples to oranges.

right! he's exceptional in all departments

​@@l0velyfl0werexceptional is a reach. He is only "exceptional" in rap. He is quite average vocally and as a dancer

@@asareirene who actually asked

@@l0velyfl0wer same question thrown back at you

@@asareirene not really, I was emphasising the point the original commenter made? you came out of nowhere and disagreed - goodbye

she’s great!

real, i really don't know if anyone also noticed, but, in the last chorus of 'Baddie' you can hear her singing and LAUGHING at the same time.

For the far majority of kpop idols singing is an acquired skill, not an innate talent. And that's perfectly fine if you're able to learn and practice to sing pretty decently for what's required. A few of them even manage to become great vocalists, like Taemin, who was quite frankly shit in the first few years of Shinee, but through a lot of hard work and determination he improved drastically over the course of a year or so.

Wish some fans would stop boasting about their faves being "born vocalists" when their faves likely worked to get where they are... Though, some fans claim that about not-so-great vocalists, too...

Absolutely agree. There are so many kpop groups but there are only few decent idols you can call a vocalist. This channel already tackled the low vocal standards in kpop and the difference between singers and vocalists.

yes like the standard are (you can sing high note you are main or lead vocalist)

True. So many of them actually. 😂

I mean every idols doesn't need to be main vocalist material they also rap and mostly dance

@@solinkdc2645 Please read my comment again and understand the context of it. I was not referring to any rap or dancer position. I specifically stated VOCALIST position (lead or main). If given a position like that they should and I mean SHOULD at least know the basic techniques in singing not just using intuition and pray to the autotune master to make their vocals good. Too bad autotune can't create vibrato. That is why you hear a lot of idols just singing straight tone all the way because autotune can easily manipulate that type of singing which is not a good indication of a good singer.

That was a hyperbole.

Girl please leave his comment section, was the other day not enough for you

@@AnArmyonthenet im not even rude or anything so what's your problem 😭 idk if you can see but he even replied to my comment joking about my thinkpieces yesterday

@@AnArmyonthenet Damn what did they do to you?😂😂 I was even one of the people they were arguing against yesterday and even I’m not that pressed.

Nah. There are many rappers who are very good vocalists but there fans don't push them to be "aces". Stays are as delusional as armys.

where the overrated comes in is when man fans rank her vocals over the other girls in the group when they clearly have no knowledge of singing

The only problem with her fans is that they have the nerve to say that she’s better then Karina bcz of them stupid "supported range" thing. But still she’s a very good vocalist for 4th gen and can top a lot of lead vocalist wich is not negligible

kpop stans need to understand dozen only really applies and was a term created for one specific idol. giselle does fine in her roles in the group and she has shown noticeable growth ever since spicy era.

@@mohhhhhhhhgjghvcy tbf Giselle and Karina are p much at the same level none of them are better than each others its deadass preference

@@ohandthefracking i disagree. Because imagine all of Karina’s vocal lines in their songs. Do you think that Giselle could replicate them? Now imagine Giselle’s line. Karina could easily replicate a lot of them

RIGHT whenever I see people comment things like “ok but Jisoo is an E- and Lily is a C-“…what does that mean??? Why are we giving them letter grades for their vocal abilities? How exactly does that even work? What exactly do you need to have or not need to have to be placed where? Will we ever get any answers? Who knows.

@@chrisr4313 YES ! I can give you a good example. Let's compare Karina (Aespa) and Joy (Red Velvet). Most kpop stans would see their "supported range".. Let's actually see what we can actually get out of this: They both get a lot tense in their belting register and are uncomfortable on it. Joy has a nasal placement, Karina has a straightforward placement, her voice is very full. Joy has an always present, fast, vibrato. Karina uses vibrato sometimes at the ends of her musical sentences. They both seem to have good support and breath control. Karina seems to have a better lower register than Joy. How could I possibly say one is, objectively, better than the other? They have very different styles, strenghts, and flaws. I personally enjoy Joy's musicality more, she seems more comfortable experimenting with her sound. Does that mean that Karina, objectively, is worse ? Not at all.

@@rashelreyes1880 Basically, they say they can "hear" "supported notes" (not as a spectrum, but as a off/on type of deal) and whichever note is the lowest and highest becomes their "supported range". It's a joke. Yes, objectively, Lily does have a better technique than Jisoo. Why? Lily has a better mixed register and better core engagement. Jisoo gets tense on higher notes because they lack support. Does that mean that "supported range" is the criteria ? NO. Does that mean that we should be ranking vocalists with GRADES? NO. There is a certain level of objectivity, but there's limits.

I hate ranking musicians too because music isn't rigid or straightforward. It's very multifaceted and 'ranking' people takes all the nuance and individual factors out which is just silly. I think you can compare vocalists for sure, but there's no such thing as a definitive ranking. You might be able to say X is better than Y but at the end of the day it doesn't really really matter... rather than focusing on who's objectively better I think it's much more interesting and productive to look at their individual strengths and weakness and how they can improve or what's holding them back. And at the end of the day pop music (or just the music industry) is not purely about music, it involves things like marketing and production. I think most fans just use vague terms to beat down other groups because they have this strange obsession with 'privilege' or 'X group doesn't deserve their success, my fav is 'objectively' better and thus deserves more success'. Also literally yes, kpop fans will just manifest music theory... like you guys can't even tell when an idol is lip syncing get tf out of here. If you can't tell the difference between their voice and the backing track I don't wanna hear it -_-

@@qr-eh9es Yeah, while I think Jisoo has a lot of potential and she’s definitely quite stable you have to admit technically Lily is better, I don’t think you have to be a genius to notice that but like you said I just think it’s so strange that these people are giving them grades so if like for example jisoo is an E- or whatever what exactly is her supported range? How exactly do you know that places her at an E-? What sort of range or supported range could lead her to have an A? And the same with Lily honestly, like how exactly do you know she’s a C-? What is the criteria that places her there? It just feels like they’re made up terms tbh 😭

Really??? I find her voice not only very emotive but also really pleasing

Have you watched many of Lily’s vocal exposés or just limited ones?

I think you just don't like her tone or singing style I guess, it's ok tho! I've never been a big fan of wendys voice even tho she is amazing and there's some moments of her singing that I enjoy but generally speaking I don't really like her tone.

@@nicolasmagalhaeslussim2711 it might be my taste 😅

@@beefbeef8589 tried to, didn’t like any of it, no offense the girl is talented and hardworking

Any idols don't deserve of hate, they are not killers, kidnappers ot something like this...

because the artist don't choose what they wear while their vocals are their own so its their fault if they have bad or basic vocals

This. Sometimes people get real defensive when you point out the Main Vocalist of a group is THE Main Vocalist.

I don't understand why some think that appreciating the main vocalist means hating the other members, I hate that false narrative of "everyone in the group is a main vocalist."

@@Diana-yf9nb because people are obsessed with claiming everyone is an all rounder, they have to convince people their favourite sub vocalist is in fact so incredibly talented they could easily be the Main Vocalist. Reality is, the average K-pop group only has one actual talented singer. The Main Vocalist.

@@Lewis-hl9qwnot everyone needs to be an all rounder and i don’t get why people think it’s bad to be weaker in certain categories, like that’s the point of a group- every member has different strengths that come together in the group and makes it well rounded as a whole so there’s no real need for every individual member to be spectacular in every single category

Blackpink are not vocal based group. 99% of their songs are focused on rapping and the vocal parts are just there to finish the song so I don’t know why are you putting them with other groups whose songs mostly consist of vocal parts and their members trained mainly as vocalists

As someone who is a causal listener and has all her songs in my playlist it would definitely elevate her music perfect for her bright vocals

Idk if it can be counted as a run but i think it is one..In the mama 2023 preformance Miyeon did a highnote run starting from a A4/B4 and went C5-C#5-D5-E5-F5-F#5-G5-G#5

If you search for her new album, Wheein does have some riffs and runs in some of the songs on it. Im sure other kpop artists use riffs and runs too but I find that they usually use it in bside songs. Not sure if it has anything to do with the preferences of the general public? or if its more taxing to do runs on a title track that will probably be performed live?

​@@shir.tagree with u. From what I have observed, while the West delivers the vocal runs to show off ( not a bad thing) which is my preference, in kpop it is somewhat subtle like an icing on a cake.

for me one thing that always stand out when listening to nmixx's songs is how confident all the girls sound in their singing. like they might not all be amazing like lily, but they never shy away from letting people hear their voices (hence the fact they sing live in basically all of their music show performances). also im guessing they all do core workouts and training to some extent since core strength is essential to both dancing and singing

@@northrnstar lily drew me in but every single one of them is so talented. If you asked me who is the least talented like I wouldn't even know how to answer. But each girl is absolutely amazing.

Agree! I love Han's voice and I'm really proud of how good he is especially considering he's a rapper, but it's a little frustrating to see stays rank him over Seungmin sometimes. Personal preference? Sure. But calling him objectively better when Seungmin has worked so hard on getting his technique to where it is now... One of the things that made me realise the difference between them was watching Han's Lee Mujin episode, then right after watching Seungmin's. I immediately felt like his voice sounded way fuller and just.. more developed? I don't have a singing background so I can't pinpoint every detail but I feel it's still noticeable even in their live performances just from 2023.

⁠@@minfue Even without the fact that Seungmin consistently attends vocal lessons when Han doesn’t, Seungmin displays better technique. Looking to their duet as an example, you see more tension in Han than in Seungmin (you can see Han’s jugular popping out so terrifyingly when they belt together for I’ll Be Your Man). Idk how to phrase it since I’m not that familiar with the vocal terminology, but I know tension when I see it, and Seungmin looks more relaxed when belting and stuff, which to me points to better technique.

​@@someone_somewhere_ Since when? I've only hears about Seungmin, I.N, and now Lee Know attending vocal coaching lessons

@@noydbnoydb9402 recently it was revealed that jisung attended along with lee know

@@notevenfunny_i think Han is under the impression that just because he can hit high notes, that means he has a higher voice😅 his voice is really pretty when he’s actually in his register. he’s not stable at all outside of it but i can see why they give him the higher notes because he was always the only one who could hit them in the first place

dear god yes

On that note, I think Soyeon and Hongjoong are actually pretty similar! Both are leaders who are primarily rappers but who can also sing, dance, write, produce, (Soyeon is the 6th most credited 4th gen idol while Hongjoong is the 4th last I saw) they also both have incredible stage presence. Their voices are kinda similar as well, very nasal and the way they rap is reminiscent of each other. Furthermore, their groups are 4th gen leaders who are known for their great performances and concepts and who mostly sing live. They're also the shortest in their groups and dislike vegetables ilmao

So true she's so underrated but people still hating on her. Other kpop idols from different groups that are more popular than aespa but mostly they're a dozen 😂 and can't sing, dance, rap, even has no stage presence they only have visuals. Like how can these be idols when can't even do that properly it is because they have visuals? And also Sullyoon, Karina, Winter, Yuna, Solar, etc. are the visuals that is not DOZEN PERIOD...

Karina's vocals are better than Giselles they aren't arguably on the same level that is why she wasn't included

@@sliverhalo9286 Except they're literally on the same level. Watch other vocal analysts who always debate over Karina and Giselle's technical proficiency. Giselle is just underutilised. She's stable and her backing vocals are great. All of Aespa's choruses are harmonised and her voice is very prominent in those. She has a beautiful falsetto too. Please go watch some concert lives before commenting. And even if Karina is better, Giselle is as good as a lot of the vocalists that were included. She is at least on the same level as Lia, for instance.

I really like Lilys voice but I agree when she hits her high notes its incredible but its so loud thats why I really love the fact they also have others in Nmixx like Haewon and Bae. Haewon delivers the high notes just as well they are just a softer tone and Bae has a really like softer tone I like

Yea as long as you’re not bashing her it’s totally fine! A lot of people actually feel this way! I personally love her tone, but it’s definitely super loud and piercing and requires a certain taste. I think she sounds a bit easier to digest when she’s not in a group setting (idk if you’ve watched any of her like sitting down solo singing) but she’s already pretty piercing and I think she tends to sound even more so when with her members because she’s also dancing and has to project over a crowd so I think she sings in a way that comes off more shouty in order to not compromise her technique? That’s what I think at least but yea anyway it’s totally fine to not be a huge fan of her tone. My favorite tone in the group is actually bae even though I know she’s technically on the weaker side

Their vocal colors is one big factor but there's also the fact she's the one in charge of all the crazy high notes jyp shoves on her? Lily sounds way less loud and piercing when she doesn't have to scream freaking A5s out of her lungs, duh. People need to also consider the fact that Haewon generally gets to sing in a more comfortable range than Lily.

SAME!! I never understood why, but I never enjoyed her tone that much. She is excellent though.

Same with me but for Chen's (EXO) voice. He's an amazing and technically great singer, and a great guy, but to me his mid-high and high notes are just unpleasant to listen to. I wish he sang more in his lower register, which I find much less grating and easier on my ears. I think I just prefer more resonant voices, maybe?

Saying she was the best vocalist of that bunch was a joke, though

@@noydbnoydb9402 but she is lmao

@@2FullMoons Of the ones mentioned (her, Soyeon, Ryujin, and Felix), she is absolutely not the best of the bunch.

​@@noydbnoydb9402 lol & who's better then?

@@averyatwell95 Soyeon at minimum

Or Mamamoo for that example. Also Red Velvet for me personally also aren‘t that vocal group that have great harmonies. Most k-pop girlgroups don‘t sing in harmony anyway and when they sing together they just mostly sing in unison. Like I wonder how people can tell who‘s singing the alleged high part in a chorus, or like the two members leading the chorus.

@@jxstadri if you hear theme alot you well start knowing who is singing the harmony

And neither are gfriend or ateez (jongho doesn't even compare to yuju or wendy ) . Having one or two great vocalists doesn't make a group great vocally when the rest are underdeveloped.

Yes, i agree, only Wendy and Seulgi are competent vocalist... The rest could improve

​@@jxstadrimamamoo is a trio?😊

Fr like she had been choir for years.aint no way she is bad

I didn't like the last comeback and I realized today its because its missing lias vocals

Of course! you're right Camila Cabello, Justin Bieber, Leigh-Anne Pinnock, Ava Max but there are many more

ariana grande does a ton of them too, and shes good at them ! she usually doesnt do anything reaaally complex though kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLGfordyt7rYh5c.htmlsi=tZoogxBW7gsu03kP

he improved a little bit

he definitely improved, honestly you can ever hear the difference in latest album and performances in comparison to late 2022

Why am I thinking of txt while reading this? I'm sorry moas

​@@asareirene same 😞 I love txt a lot, but they need more vocal improvements

Exactly.

I'm not really a fan of Nmixx's vocal timbre. I much prefer the timbre of G-idle or Aespa.

@@erickacornu774 That is your opinion and it's ok. I like so much Aespa tones, but i don't like (G)idle voices at all.

Wheein and Solar are close enough though, like they're both god-tier vocalists

You should know that in Mamamoo all 4 including Moonbyul- the main rapper could take the position as a main vocal in any other group: actual well-respected korean vocalists have acknowledged each of them so which is why Mamamoo is one of the most respectedgroups in terms of vocals. That's the difference or else even Red Velvet have Wendy- who is as good as Solar...

Wish stubborn ARMYS would heed your comment...

Also, they both play their parts in their groups very well especially Soyeon since she’s in charge of production. People forget why groups exist (because they cover up for each other), it’s only now that haters use the excuse of idols not being all rounders to hate on them. As long as they’re not sticking out like a sore thumb and do their roles in their group well. I have no complaints . I’ll just keep hoping they improve in other areas.

@@Noble482 no fr! like the amount of 'wonyoung and friends' during ive's debut and 'soyeon and friends' comments during idle's debut because of choice made by the stylists that wasn't even their faults. to me, soyeon and wonyoung both represent the extreme version of their brand of femininity, and that either scares people or makes them jealous lmao. they both do so much for their respective group's image, and soyeon basically made idle what it is today, where she calls the group her 'masterpiece' and the members her 'muses' while wonyoung literally has an entire aesthetic movement named after her so talk abt impact!

I think he’s talked about at least Seungmin in the ranking kpop boy group vocals video. If he doesn’t end up doing the vid, you can look at that one to see his thoughts on Seungmin.

@@notevenfunny_ oh thanks!! I must've missed it

I also wanna know who he considers to be on "the vocal struggle bus". Seungmin and Han are safe. If its I.N, who, along with Han and Seungmin, is one of the members with a decent technique, I'm gonna throw hands If it's Bangchan who, despite having a bad technique, is very stable, reliable, and has good pitch, I'm gonna throw hands too. It can't be Chabgbin since he barely sings, and if he does, he's okay. Can't be Felix either since he already said so. So it's either between Hyunjin and Lee Know. Hyunjin, I agree, isn't a good vocalist, but he also barely sings. Lee Know while not having a good technique or being exceptionally stable, I wouldn't consider to be on the "vocal atruggle bus" either So I'm curious (and ready to throw hands lmao)

@@Simon05212 If I had to guess, it's probably Chan, or maybe Lee Know. Since Lee Know is actively taking vocal lessons, he's not necessarily 'struggling' overall in vocals, but he does appear to struggle in recent skz songs simply because they're way too high for him and that might come to affect his voice. The more likely answer is Chan. He absolutely has his vocal strenghts but his lack of technique is going to hurt him in the long run. I remember seeing another comment saying that his poor sleep schedule is tiring his voice, and I can definately see that in behind-the scene recording videos. Rock Star has confirmed that the group's discography is going to become more vocally challenging and unlike the rest of the vocalists (with the exception of Han) who are attending lessons to keep up with the rigour, Chan doesn't have the foundation to build off of to reach the calibre of the music 3racha wants to produce. He's a competent vocalist with a lot of potentially but he's definately on a 'struggle bus' as the group's discography grows.

Aespa does runs amazingly

​@@l0velyfl0wer😂😂😂😂. Where?

@@asareirene this is the 2nd time you've replied to me. do you even know what a run is?

@@asareirene ningning does it a lot. ex: drama bridge to last chorus, spicy last chorus, or just any of her covers

@@nanarae2921 Those? Oh that's disappointing. Those are just basic. I thought she had some standout ones.

He's talking about people who act like Giselle is a vocal legend or that she's on par or better than other members in her group

@@Robalexe I've been following aespa since its debut and I've never seen anyone saying that..☠️

@@derekrochaa Well you haven't interacted with KVA tier sticklers, which good for you (not just in the case of Aespa, but in general). Those people believe Giselle is on the same level as Karina or even slightly better just because they're both D+ vocalists on that insanely shit metric. That system does not cover most of the bases for what constitutes a vocalist. And the sad part is there are so many people using it to this day to judge kpop vocalists.

​@@RobalexeEven if people believe that Giselle is slightly better than Karina (which isn't far away from truth cause they have similar lines, quality of support etc) how is that example of overrating? No one claims Giselle is the best vocalist and whatnot, just good sub vocalist. If anything, I've seen MYs praising Giselle's harmonies and background vocals the most not talking about tiers.

@@AB-yk2pq Idk, there are all kinds of fans online. He says in the video that this was in regards to people who say they're some kind of vocal legends, so that's what he's personally experienced before.

And Pentagon.

So? Le sserafim also lip synced while sitting down, Aespa too, but does that mean they are bad vocalists? Certainly not.

You also forget to mention that she’s not the only idol that sat to lip sync and that day she also did 5 other performances where she sang live. It was just blown out of proportion. She’s not a great singer but let’s not pretend that people don’t have double standards when it comes to her. She’s also proved her live singing countless times but haters only point out or come back to that every time which proves all they care about is hating her.

huh it's bcs of double standard, wonyoung and ive not only sing live during encore but also when they perform

Wonyoung is hated because she is an it girl. Many other artists have sat a lip synced just like that but only Wonyoung got hate for it because she is a pretty girl who is successful

Probably becuase that's the only video you have seen of them? Honestly I've antis are so stupid

Their b-sides are so much more general public friendly. Check out Cool, Rollercoaster, My Gosh and my personal favorite, Kiss

Majority of their songs is easy to listen to. Listen to their EP “expérgo”.

Cool (Your Rainbow) is my favorite song of theirs I need something like that as a title track

@@mard-e6086 thanks i liked cool and my gosh! i went back to listen to all their songs again bc of those suggestions. i also liked funky glitter christmas and love me like this. that's about it for my taste. i'm not the target audience for the majority of their discography and thats ok

People that prefer chill songs tend to not like Nmixx songs. Those that prefer overloading their senses will most likely add Nmixx songs to their playlist. I belong to the latter group that's why my recent playlist is composed of Nmixx, Aespa and StayC tracks 😃