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Harley M8 Oil Level Check - Undocumented Tech Tip
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Жыл бұрынHoodie, Harley Store Manager Shares A Better Way to Check The Engine Oil Level on a Milwaukee-Eight. It is Easy, More Accurate, and Reduces the Possibility of Over Filling.
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@paulhood7316 Жыл бұрын
Hey Guys ... what I was speaking to wasn't so much a hot check as my standard warm up procedure before I ride ... pick up ...start... idle 30 seconds ...back on jiffy stand ... pretrip walk around ... lights indicators rattles... where the hell did I put my gloves ... find gloves ... back in bike and ride off ... it was more aimed at the 30 seconds of straight up to prevent the ejection of oil into the sump .... I have the same routine every time ... I ride year round as long as there is no snow on the road ... I try to dress for the wind speed chill calculator...lol
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Hey Hoodie, thanks for the clarification. Going to pin this comment at the top.
@realityisiamthespoonthefor6735 Жыл бұрын
This series with Kevin and Hoodie is really becoming a big deal. Keep it up guys.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad you're liking the videos. Thank you for the feedback.
@billflixtone6684 Жыл бұрын
In 50 years of riding, the M8 is the most difficult engine to get a consistently accurate oil level. I check mine hot after more than 40 minutes running. I put it on the side stand, clean the dip stick, replace it, stand the bike upright, put it back on the stand and pull the dip stick. Check it on the hot - upright, scale. BTW I don't think running the bike for two minutes constitutes hot oil. Keep up the great videos.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the add. 👍 That is a perfect way to do a hot check, as long as the oil is getting up to around 200 F. Many folks prefer doing a cold check before riding, and not to mess with a hot dipstick, etc. That is what this video is describing. Either way works fine.
@indianbill3123 Жыл бұрын
try getting a correct oil level on a late model Indian Roadmaster or Chieftain…. LOL
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Never have...is it the same variations, bike to bike?
@richardrussell500 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again... you guys are awesome. The hot check for me is rarely consistent. I like the idea of checking it cold before every ride. So far, my temp/level HD is working when cold. Gauge reads exactly where the oil level is at cold. It always reads over filled when checking hot. The manual says to let it idle on jiffy stand for two minutes. Then let it sit for two minutes before checking. The temp/dipstick still reads over filled. When I pull the stick, it is completely covered in oil. You can see oil stuck between the fork where the sensors are. I am going to the cold check for now on. Less of a headache!
@CAGraphics576 10 ай бұрын
I'm assuming that the 30-40 second engine run is just to pull the oil that has seeped back down to the sump and put it back in the tank.
@davidoakley9387 Жыл бұрын
Hope dealers are paying attention, blow back is rampant after services this undoubtedly would fix it cause the bikes are in fact getting overfilled. Thank you guys for sharing !
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is one of the most common reasons bikes end up being overfilled and then spitting out much more hot, oily, oxygen depleted air than they would if properly filled. Glad you are enjoying the videos. Thank you for your comment. 👍
@johnlynch215 Жыл бұрын
As a new owner of my trike I am thankful for all the help I can get, thought my dealership was doing it. So I will look more into this issue.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Congrats on your Trike. This is a non issue on the trike, as it sits level, no jiffy stand.
@heisenberg3784 Жыл бұрын
Wow you guys are absolutely right. I have a 2018 heritage that I have had issues with oil puking out of breather. Finally had to pump oil out till it stopped. At which point it measured up to 6 dots when completely hot and 3 dots when cold after long ride. I tied cold check the way you guys show and it is at 3 dots. I then tried how Harley says to (2!minutes on jiffy stand) and it no longer measures on the stick! Proves that quite a bit of oil does indeed get dumped into the sump when on jiffy stand and therefore causes you to overfill this way. Thank y’all so much for the info!
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. 👍 Good to hear the video was helpful to you.
@paulhood7316 Жыл бұрын
This was more a how to do it wrong all the way around fellas ..... all of you that do a true hot check are spot on .... it's the other percentage that do a brief warm up then start checking .... I always check mine Hot but after I ride to work ... this video was was about what I've seen and written on the Customer States side of the RO.... this is also ( when done improperly and the oil ends up in the sump ) a contributor to the " lost almost a quart of oil before the first service and now it's coming out of the aircleaner " that I see and hear about once a week in the Service Department when I'm back there with the team
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍😎👍
@tedzirbes6713 Жыл бұрын
My 2020 Heritage is usually 1/2 down on the stick cold and just about the same hot seems happy there
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yep, perfect spot, right where the manual says. www.dkcustomproducts.com/image/Links_2/Cold%20Check.jpg
@jercreason840 Ай бұрын
My engine failed and i kept it like this.
@georgesnuffleupagus7920 Жыл бұрын
After riding your bike, right after you stop moving, turn the engine off while it is upright then set it on the jiffy stand and check the oil level.
@snakeoil2182 Жыл бұрын
That's been my procedure.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
That's it. 👍
@richardstephenhempshall2451 Жыл бұрын
Glad i watched this ,had my 21 breakout 1st 1000 mile service done last year & then stored it till summer did a 50 mile run checked oil it was about 6mm above hot check level phoned my Harley dealer they said that was unusual ??? so i asked if i should take some out & they said yes so i syphoned out through filler now running it at half way between fill & hot level check ,thanks for the video ,£330 for a f in wrong oil change😡
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad you got it dialed in. Yeah, paying to have work done that is not done right, AND at high cost can be very frustrating.
@freebehindbars8654 Жыл бұрын
Crazy this should even be discussed. There should be a clear, exact level at cold and hot.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
That would be one's hope, but it just is not the case with these engines.
@freebehindbars8654 Жыл бұрын
@@DKCustomProducts Seems they could find some stage where it holds consistent. Of all the bikes I’ve had/have, this one has the most needless quirks. It’s the most expensive as well. Think HD and MV Agusta engineer’s compete to see how much bs they put in the bike and then put a premium price tag on it.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@freebehindbars8654 I hear ya!
@VN9001 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree! You know, HD really needs to get their act together on this - I mean OMG, the manufacturer can't provide correct/accurate instruction on how to properly check the oil level on their bikes???!!! 🙄
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@VN9001 It does sort of defy logic.
@cameronbartley6139 2 ай бұрын
Very informative I just did a 1000 mile oil change on my fxlrst
@DKCustomProducts 2 ай бұрын
Glad you found the video informative! Thank you for commenting! 👍MB
@snottgrass8001 Жыл бұрын
I run my roadking,,half quart low.& I believe this helps on less pressure, less blow by,,EYE THINK?????🙈🙉🙊
@toddgittins5692 Жыл бұрын
I go with the A1 vented cap and DKs catch can setup, with oil level 4 dots down from full. I check my oil red hot and I also let it idle sitting straight up for a minute, before putting on the kick stand. This all info I've gotten from the guys that design parts/work on the M8s. I'm running a stock, 2018 Road King Standard.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
It is common for folks to think they are running 1/2 quart low, when they are really running right where the manual says to...halfway between the bottom mark and the top mark. Here is a video where we talk about that, and have photos of the manual in the video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbBgqbxyztq5oYk.html
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Good deal, sounds like you have it wired.
@snottgrass8001 Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys ,,great channel-!☆☆☆☆☆
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@snottgrass8001 Thanks for watching, glad you're liking the videos!
@waltstovall372 Жыл бұрын
Don't think running the bike for 30sec. will warm the oil for a hot level check.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yeah, poor choice of words. Running it for 30 seconds is just to get the oil in all the places it should be.
@ALPHAFTUCK Ай бұрын
EXCELLENT info guys!!!!!
@DKCustomProducts Ай бұрын
Glad that you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
@Dave-sw2dm Жыл бұрын
I actually follow the instructions in the manual. Works correctly every time. Go figure.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Good deal! 👍
@possumlodge2740 Ай бұрын
I keep my m8 107 on the bottom quarter of crosshatch on a cold check. she seems happy to me
@DKCustomProducts Ай бұрын
I am glad your technique is working for you! Thank you for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB
@doylehenderson319 Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video showing the correct way??? I have a friend that has a 2018 Heritage and has been having a real issue with checking the oil level on his bike. This pass week we were together in a parking lot/level ground the bike was on the jiffy stand and he pulled his dip stick, wiped it, put it back in and when he pulled it back out no oil was showing. Thanks for all of the great info!!!
@joejunior1974 Жыл бұрын
I had problems getting a consistent read with my new street bob too. It would read 1/4" above add quart when cold, then be dry after I checked it after a ride. The manual says to let it idle on the jiffy stand for 2 minutes after a 30 minute ride before stopping the engine and check the oil. I tried this yesterday and it read half way between add quart and full when hot. I wish there was a more reliable way to check the oil, because slight differences in the level of your bike make a big deviance on the dipstick. I've checked the level on the jiffy stand, then slightly rocked the bike, and saw a noticeable difference in the reading. I assumed a cold reading was adequate, but after searching some forums it seems like you do need to allow the oil to get hot and circulate throughout the engine as it's designed to ensure you have the correct oil level. I think the cold level check is just to ensure there's at least enough oil to not cause damage before being able to do a hot oil check. I hope this helps. Hopefully others with more knowledge will chime in on this conversation and add more insight.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
We will be doing that...but it is real simple. Start the bike standing straight up, not on the jiffy stand. Let it run 30-60 seconds, standing up off the stand. Shut it off, THEN put it on the stand and check the oil level. If it is at or above the add line you are good. Glad you're liking the videos. Thank you! 👍
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Cold checks are perfectly fine, as long as done per the instructions in this video. There is nothing wrong with a hot check (oil at 200 F or more), but you will not get anything significantly different than a properly done cold check. If you do a cold check without starting the engine, or starting it on the Jiffy stand...that is what is can give an erroneous reading.
@schachat01 Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys for confirming best practice for checking oil levels for both TC's and M8's👍
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, appreciate it. 👍
@nicksteele7974 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that guys I've been doing it wrong LOL I went and checked and you were right I had to let a little bit out thanks for what you're doing
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful! Thank you for the comment. 👍
@youtubechangedmyname Жыл бұрын
Thanks ...just got my 1k service done . Thought my dealer didn't put enough Oil in since mine was at the very bottom mark on the stand. Guess I feel better now.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Congrats on your new ride! 👍 Give it a check as outlined in the video. Ideally you will be halfway between the top and bottom mark, when checking as outlined in the video.
@1986devildog Жыл бұрын
I’m really liking this series with Hoodie. Thx
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad you're liking it, thank you for the comment.👍😎👍
@roncoburn7771 Жыл бұрын
I put 4 qts 3 oz in my 128 and when i do a oil change i pull the crank sensor to check how much comes out every time which is maybe 4 drops
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Good to hear you are happy with your ride! 👍
@tricgix2949 Жыл бұрын
Listen people! Just do a cold check in the morning and if it's between the add and full it's at the perfect level. As the oil is all in the oil pan then. You'll never get a accurate reading doing it hot....cheers ...21 M8 114 Street Bob and 17 M8 114 Stage 3 Road King.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
That works for many, but others may have to run the bike for a minute or less, to get any oil that dropped out of the tank back in...and, of course, there are some M8's that Need to be off the jiffy stand while doing that.
@tricgix2949 Жыл бұрын
Nope ...no M8s or any Harley engine needs to be off the jiffy stand to check the oil. Not sure where you are getting your info from but it's wrong. You are just confusing people....
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? Info was from a Harley Dealership Store Manager, in this video. Also, we tested several bikes, and some (not all) did not get a good reading unless it was run standing up for 30 seconds or so, then shut off, then oil checked will on Jiffy.
@tricgix2949 Жыл бұрын
They told me the same thing when I bought my 21 Street bob. Just because its the manager doesn't mean anything. I let them change my oil twice at the dealership and the way they want you to check it hot is not accurate at all. I had oil coming out my intake and ruined 2 pairs of jeans thx to their idiotic advice. I waited until first thing in the morning and both times it was over the full level on a cold engine so I syringed about 2/3 of a liter out of it both times to get it between the full . I do my ownJust oil changes now for that reason. The engine is a blender when it's hot so you never get an accurate reading by checking this way or starting it up for 2 minutes on any bike.
@tricgix2949 Жыл бұрын
Mic drop!!!
@Philo-Rides Жыл бұрын
Yep. I'd heard that theory. Good to go.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
👍😎👍
@saltydog2657 Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work fellas, been teaching me some good stuff. I appreciate y'all sharing your knowledge. Thanks to both of you!
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, and great to hear you are finding the videos useful. 👍
@dynamicresponse Жыл бұрын
My 2017 SGS still Leaks oil out intake. Tired running it low on oil , tried vented oil cap, different oil too. 25k miles still leaking
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Run an External Breather System. That way no hot, oily, oxygen depleted air is going into your intake...no leaking, better power, tune stability, and less wear on the engine. Link TO EBS options- www.dkcustomproducts.com/all-twin-cam-engines-c76-274.htm Link to video about EBS- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8x0mKmLx9Kxk58.html
@stevenbrown5213 Жыл бұрын
Another interesting clip. Thanks guys
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you for the comment.
@jackklarich7045 Жыл бұрын
Good info 4 sure, so I am assuming the trikes oil check should be more consistent than bikes on a jiffy stand
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Hey Jack! Yeah, this is a non issue on trikes.
@MarkMario-cg1ek 3 ай бұрын
Hello, just to make sure I’ve understood. So I pull the bike straight of the stand and with the engine COLD, start it up for 30/45 seconds then switch it off and put it back on stand, wait a minute, then do the oil check ? THANKS Mark
@DKCustomProducts 3 ай бұрын
Yes, That is right! Thanks for commenting! MB
@OrangeManStan Жыл бұрын
Why don't you just check the oil cold? That way the bike has been sitting for a long period so levels will have been allowed to settle. My other question, we're always told to get the engine hot before removing plug for oil change, if you remove plug when cold the oil would have been hot before hand general after a long ride and the very hot oil would have run down to where it needs to be. I've performed it cold and I'm sure a lot more old oil came out than the 3ltrs as it required almost 4 to get back to the correct level. Be great to see you guys experiment with how much comes out from a hot engine to an engine that's been sitting for a few days. I'd like to see if more comes out on the same drain time. If it does in my mind being able to replace more of the dirty oil is better than leaving it in. Thanks guys.
@toddgittins5692 Жыл бұрын
On Baggers, anyway, don't know about other chassis, hot oil checks are supposed to be more accurate. Twin Cams thru M8s. So basically, for the last 23 years that's how guys(that are in the know) have been checking oil. Me included.
@joejunior1974 Жыл бұрын
I assumed a cold oil check was more reliable myself, but after further research, I think a hot oil check makes more sense. I assumed you would want all the oil to have returned to the lowest possible place before checking it. But it's more important to know that the level is adequate while all points of the engine that rely on oil are thoroughly covered. A cold level read is only adequate to ensure you don't run the engine with so little oil as to damage it before a hot reading can be done. It seems to be very important to follow the manual and ride the bike for 30 minutes under load then let it idle 2 minutes on the jiffy stand, stop the engine, and then check your level. I've experienced false level readings from killing the engine with the bike upright after a long ride and then throwing down the jiffy stand and checking the oil. The 2 minutes of idle on the jiffy stand seem to be critical to getting an accurate measurement. I wish this video had discussed this topic more thoroughly, because something as important as a proper oil level shouldn't be left to speculation.
@toddgittins5692 Жыл бұрын
@@joejunior1974 hope my comment might of helped. In my neck of the woods, I had one of the 1st Twin Cams and one of the 1st M8s. I was lucky enough to personally know a dealership mechanic. He helped me a lot, even though I had been doing this for decades. He has retired, moved away & rides pre-Evos, so that information source has dried up for me. Good luck, my friend!
@joejunior1974 Жыл бұрын
@@toddgittins5692 thanks Todd!
@toolmaker5150 Жыл бұрын
For me, a cold oil check to make sure you have oil to begin with ! I then check after 20 miles of highway riding. 30 seconds is NOT hot oil !
@eddiealvarez5493 Жыл бұрын
Hood - Dog! & Keven, thank you for the gre8 info With simple understanding. 👊
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍😎👍
@sidneysnottley6414 Жыл бұрын
Liking this series.. Cheers
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 👍
@amberbali8881 Жыл бұрын
Starting up and running 30-45 seconds is not a hot oil check. Ride the bike 30 minutes or so, then stop, stay on bike upright and let it idle for 2 minutes. Shut it off and do a hot check on the jiffy stand. Pretty damned simple. I run my 21 RGS 4 dots up from add qt level HOT on the jiffy stand. Next morning cold it will be 3 dots up from add line COLD. Trask vented trans cover for lower end venting and S&S Stealth plumbed to vent to atmosphere. 4 qts, 10oz with a new filter for an oil change every 5,000 miles. No oil mist, puking or oil usage on my stage 2.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
That is a great way to do a hot oil check, and a good level to run the oil at. 30-45 seconds running, while upright, off the stand, is how to get all the oil where it should be for a cold check. Thank you for the comment! 👍
@paulhood7316 Жыл бұрын
Spot on procedure .... it's the jiffy stand starters that think hey I'll check my oil before it gets too hot ( as an afterthought ) and discover they are now 1/2 to 3/4 quart low and decide to add .... that missing oil is likely now in the sump due to the jiffy stand start up ... now we have self induced faux oil consumption that leads to an overfill and ..... and .... and ..... I wish all of my Guests were as knowledgeable and had a procedure as correct !
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@paulhood7316 Thanks!
@larrys.3992 Жыл бұрын
My M8 114 I start and warm up, then ride several miles. Shut down engine and put on jiffy stand. Check level. Zero carryover into the air cleaner.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Good to hear you are happy with your ride. 👍
@Heavy69Metal Жыл бұрын
Is their vacuum in the line where the heavy breather is done at.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Please call or email, not sure what you're asking. Support@DKCustomProducts.com 662-252-8828
@toddgittins5692 Жыл бұрын
Good video.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks man, appreciate it. 👍
@richardrussell500 Жыл бұрын
Kevin... are you now following this oil check procedure? Let me see if I got it right: before riding, stand the bike upright, start the engine and let it idle for 30 seconds. Turn off the engine, put it on the jiffy stand and then check the level. Is this correct? The whole hot check manual procedure never works consistently for me. I am on my 3rd M8. On my 2023 SG I have been checking it cold without starting the bike. It always reads halfway or 6 dots from the bottom fill line. Please advise. Thanks :-)
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yes. I pull it off the jiffy stand, start it up, let it run 30-45 seconds to scavenge all the oil out of the sump, into the oil tank. Then shut it off. Then put it on the Jiffy stand. Then check the oil level. It should be near the middle of the bottom and top marks.. They key is running it standing straight up, not on the stand, so that it gets the oil out of the sump.
@bigdaddy5948 Жыл бұрын
Good info
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you're finding the videos useful.
@jimfreind3856 Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
👍😎👍
@silverrambo1508 10 ай бұрын
Hi, is any oil screens exist in the oil pan to prevent get contamination to the oil pump ? Or how the Harley solve this potential hazard by installing suction holes not in the bottom of the oil pan ? What happend if something fall to the oil pan during checking oil level, for example small stone or metal piece? M8 engine. I will be glad if you could write and explain how the oil is sucked to the pump.
@DKCustomProducts 10 ай бұрын
That is a good idea...I've put it on our list to make a video specifically going thru the entire process of oil circulation. In the meantime, below is a link to the oil pan assembly on an M8, and you can see the baffles and passage ways. www.dkcustomproducts.com/image/Links_2/2021%20Oil%20Pan.png And here is a video that address some of the question you had about oil circulation kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZqnq6mb1t-4cYk.html And here is another video on the subject...even though this video is primarily on oil coolers, it does talk about how the oil pump works to pull the oil from the oil tank kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5-klJtludO2f5c.html Thanks for commenting! 😎
@tarheeljim Жыл бұрын
Just so I am clear... do you turn the engine off before leaning the bike over on the jiffy stand? And, you wait a minute or two after you turn the engine off before checking the oil? Thanks for another great video!
@FranBunnyFFXII Жыл бұрын
Just do a cold oilcheck its the most consistent.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
That is correct on both counts. Glad you're enjoying the videos. Thank you for the comment.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Agree 100%. 👍
@anthonymudge5932 Жыл бұрын
What if I have a fueling high flow oil pump?
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
All you can do is check and see if it is at a different level when using one or the other methods. Not even all stock bikes will show a difference.
@Jim_Berry Жыл бұрын
Feuling makes a short sump plug to help scavenge the sump area better.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yes, we just did a video on that, you can see it here- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZqnq6mb1t-4cYk.html
@omurcada01 Жыл бұрын
Agree I never run my M8 while leaning on the jiffy stand and always check the oil when hot..😀
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Good deal. 👍
@jasonrichardwatts Жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome content fellas!
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Good to hear you found it useful/interesting. 👍
@jimbo4260 11 ай бұрын
Well now im totally confused. I check my 2019 cvo limited cold and i make sure its always at least half to 3/4 qt low.. Two reasons: 1) Checking cold consistantly gives you a starting point. Dont deviate. 2) when its checked COLD, you know that when oil gets hot that oil will expand and show you a half qt more than when cold. You now have consistency in checking your oil and just add to the half qt low mark. Never the full mark and youll be fine and your air cleaner will thank you.
@DKCustomProducts 11 ай бұрын
Nothing to be confused about. Some M8's will not give an accurate read on the dipstick if they are checked without starting up for 15 seconds or more with the bike upright. This is because their can be more oil in the sump that normal with it on the Jiffy.
@randybard224 Жыл бұрын
How about a video on the m8 Trans oil check If different then the twin cam I also believe this led to overfilling the trans Which I believe led to some of the oil transfer problem they had
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
We just did one. You can see it here- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7OcaquBmdCsm3k.html
@Heavy69Metal Жыл бұрын
Why the heck is my M8 131 is running 350-387 engine temp according to Power Vision measurement
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Because HD has to design everything to run HOT for EPA compliance. There are things you can (should) do to cool it down. Below are Links to a written report and to a video playlist of how to get the temps down. www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm kzfaq.info/sun/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
@bajarvcouple Жыл бұрын
Gotta appreciate Hoodie!
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yes, for sure! 👍
@danielmunoz3045 Жыл бұрын
In simpler words you need to live room for the expansion of the oil when become hot don't fill all the way when is cold
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yes, that is definitely part of it...but not all of it, as pointed out in the video. 👍
@Chilllybob Жыл бұрын
I don't want my bike to sump or pour in the air breather but I checked my oil when the bike was very hot( after riding) I waited about 15 minutes then check the oil upright not on jiffy stand. The oil is exactly at the add mark. I was going to add oil but I did not. Should I just leave it as is?
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
You are checking hot, I would go a few dots above the add line, no higher than the midway point between the top and bottom lines. You are ok with it at the add line, but you have no ""cushion", that is why I would add a bit.
@Chilllybob Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Much appreciated.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
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@charlescastell4638 Жыл бұрын
Gents, I have always been told NOT to check the oil until it has run 30+ minutes to make absolutely sure the motor is up to temp. Doesn't sound like 30 seconds off the jiffy stand makes a enough heat... I check mine after a ride, and after about a minute at idle on the stand. I shut the motor off and immediately pull the stick, wipe it, and reinsert it again; when I pull it the second time, I go from THAT reading as to add or not. Does this make sense, or am I over-thinking it? Thanks for your videos and information, I watch a lot.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
That is a perfect way to do a hot check, as long as the oil is getting up to around 200 F. Many folks prefer doing a cold check before riding, and not to mess with a hot dipstick, etc. That is what this video is describing. Either way works fine.
@jackfallat9516 Жыл бұрын
Got a '19 slim 107ci. When I check my oil (cold), depending on which way I have my handlebar's turned, I get a different reading , as much as a dot or two on the dipstick. At first I thought I was losing it but I tried several times and sure enough,when the bars were turned one way it was dead center where it should be and when turned the other way it'd be low. Do I need a shrink ??
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
When you turn the handlebars, does it change the angle of the bike on the jiffy stand? That accounts for the different lean angle and level of oil showing on the dipstick.
@thomascustomsfabrication4565 Жыл бұрын
Great information. Thanks
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment.👍
@freddychico3621 3 ай бұрын
when i had my oil checked i was recommended to put a qt of oil but i purchased the electronic oil cap and it said it was full .... which one is right?
@DKCustomProducts 3 ай бұрын
Do you have a dip stick?
@freddychico3621 3 ай бұрын
@@DKCustomProducts yes
@DKCustomProducts 3 ай бұрын
Your dipstick should have measuring lines on it to let you know if you are at the correct oil level. It would be impossible for me to tell you if your oil level is correct without being there to measure it and knowing what year and model bike you have. Thanks for commenting! MB
@garybaldwin1061 9 ай бұрын
How come something so simple be so confusing. I've never heard the crank case called the belly. Its a dry sump system.
@DKCustomProducts 9 ай бұрын
That is why we made this video to help clarify the correct way to check your oil level! 👍 Thanks for commenting! 😎
@Digger456437 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2021 Heritage 114. What is your opinion on a Vented Dipstick. Good idea or not? Also, your HiFlow 606 External Air Breather System will be installed in the next few weeks if that makes a difference. Thanks, Tim
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, Thank you for your business, we appreciate it. I believe you will be well pleased with the HiFlow 606 Intake with EBS. 👍😎👍 With your 606 you already have as part of that the External Breather System. This will completely vent crankcase pressure, and no hot, oily, oxygen depleted are will be going into your intake. The only possible reason for a vented dipstick or trans cover vent is on Some older M8's (2017-2019) that have an oil pump that does not scavenge well. You do not have that, there is no need. For those with the old oll pump, the solution is to get the upgraded oil pump, because that will fix the problem. Until one does that, a band-aid to the problem might be a vented dipstick or trans vent, along with an EBS.
@si.rgmn.2352 Жыл бұрын
Picked my fxlrst up Last week and checked oil today. It was a Quarter above max in hot. Is it okay If I leave it like That? I couldnt understand everything you said in the Video, my english is Not the best im From Germany.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
It would be much better to use a turkey baster and pull that extra oil out of there. Congratulations on your new ride! 👍😎👍
@jercreason840 Ай бұрын
How hot should my heads be? 380 is too hot right?
@DKCustomProducts Ай бұрын
I am not sure what bike you have but 380 definitely sounds too hot! Here is a written report on Why and How to cool down you bike that shows the proper temps for M8 and TC - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm Part II - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm Here is a video on the Optimum Temps for M8 and TC that you may also find useful/interesting - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qL1_l7SA2araZnU.html Please feel free to contact us with any questions; Support@DKCustomProducts.com 662-252-8828 Thank you for commenting! MB
@mattgibbs9576 Жыл бұрын
Never heard something so simple made confusing.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's crazy how the M8 oil pickup is designed where you can't get a good read on the Jiffy.
@johnrisher3007 10 ай бұрын
Don't top off until a qt. Low on the kick stand. No problem
@DKCustomProducts 10 ай бұрын
As long as you are riding an M8! Glad you found the video helpful. Thank you for commenting! 😎
@daleirish6682 Жыл бұрын
tell me about checking the transmission fluid on an M8. warm - cold? on stand or off. check mine the other day warm upright and it said ADD
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
The following video shows how to check it on your M8. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7OcaquBmdCsm3k.html IF you are having a loss of oil from you transmission, it is probably migrating into your primary. HD's solution for that (which has work well for me and thousands of others, is to have a primary vent. Primary vents are now standard on 20-22 models, and some late year production 19 models. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMV1m6l3sNysdYE.html
@daleirish6682 Жыл бұрын
@@DKCustomProducts awesome! thanks for the quick reply!
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@daleirish6682 You're welcome, thanks for watching!
@chipgroff9664 Жыл бұрын
That was informational
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful. Thank you for the comment. 👍
@jamesstafford62 Жыл бұрын
I check my 114 cold and it’s halfway between add 1 qt and full. That’s cold not start and run for 30 seconds .
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Have you tried checking it as described in the video?
@doccalvin Жыл бұрын
Question? I was told not to let the bike idle on the diff stand. Reason, the pickup being on the right. Do you know?
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
I think you mean the Jiffy stand (kick stand), if so, nothing wrong with it idling there. It is not a good way to check the oil, but there is still plenty of oil in there for the engine to stay well lubricated.
@doccalvin Жыл бұрын
@@DKCustomProducts Thank you
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@doccalvin You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@paulhood7316 Жыл бұрын
Start it straight up and let it run for a 30 second to a minute or so and THEN set it down on the jiffy stand .... it's exactly this situation that I'm speaking to in the video ....
@robertprosser6856 Жыл бұрын
@@paulhood7316 do you check it as soon as you've set it down on the jiffy stand?
@brucejuniper512 Жыл бұрын
Hi DK Custom Products. I think you guys do very nice videos and will search out all I can find. Can I mention a few thoughts? I'll take that as a yes. Some of the comment makers write their crankcase oil as being put there or puked/spat/ dumped whatever, but I can't figure out how that pooled to the left oil not coming up to the pickup level is somehow unnatural when a bike is idling on its kickstand. Anyhow as well as that your teachings have mention of oil also being spat out of the head breather jets and they should be called jets because they are so small in size. I drilled one out I have in my spares box to install before I went for a 3/8'' Transmission cover vent hose taking advantage of the fluid flowing to the area of less resistance law, by fluid I mean gas. Now does an overfilled sump/tank have a connection to the cam chest through a passageway or other channel where oil can get there in large enough amounts to be forced up to the top hats in a misty state by crankcase pressure? Not having a pulled down M8 on my floor to study is a drawback on my side. And lastly why would anyone need to idle after riding to clear their bottom end, lots of left-hand sweeping turns perhaps?
@samchisolm8713 Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do! 👍
@jonz5978 Жыл бұрын
Great channel! Keep it up.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do! Appreciate the comment. 👍
@roberthicks3706 9 ай бұрын
Not to be stupid but there are some. Why don't you show a real dip stick for those who don't understand . I do mine oil like you said. Thanks
@DKCustomProducts 9 ай бұрын
Here ya go. This video has dipsticks in it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9SDm86axL3JfGQ.html One challenge for some is that HD has made so many different dipsticks over the years, and they vary not only by year, but also by bike. Great to hear you have your oil level dialed in.👍
@richardrussell500 Жыл бұрын
Excellent... thanks :-)
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
You are welcome! 👍
@grayghost1423 Жыл бұрын
Since the Revolution Motor is here to stay, are you going too start doing videos on it?
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Probably, maybe, we'll see if it really is here to stay. We passed on the VRod and Streets, and glad we did not put any time into them.
@grayghost1423 Жыл бұрын
@@DKCustomProducts I knew the streets were duds. I would encourage you to go ride a Pan Am or even a Nightster. I just bought a 48 cause this is the last year. I hear the Evo sportster line is all done so I picked one up.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@grayghost1423 Yeah, it sounds like the 2022's are the last of the Evo Sportys.
@paulrevere4326 Жыл бұрын
Harley needs to recall all M-8 dipsticks and have the correct markings for the kickstand readings. HD needs to quit setting customers up for failure. And quit marking products up with such an outrageous profit margin. I mean damn!!
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
The dipsticks are not marked wrong. SOME, not all, bikes do not scavenge all of the oil out of the sump when on the kickstand. If the dipsticks were changed to be accurate for those bikes, then all the other bikes would not get an accurate read. Fixing the oil pump scavenging to get all but 2-4 oz out of the sump is the real solution...which they have been working on for years.
@christophercastillo7693 Жыл бұрын
I'm so damn confused. I keep rewinding. But I'm still unclear what method they were trying to tell me NOT to do and what TO do.
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
It is real simple. Start the bike standing straight up, not on the jiffy stand. Let it run 30-60 seconds, standing up off the stand. Shut it off, THEN put it on the stand and check the oil level. If it is at or above the add line you are good.
@christophercastillo7693 Жыл бұрын
@@DKCustomProducts thank you very much
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
@@christophercastillo7693 you're welcome, happy to help! Thanks for watching!
@paulhood7316 Жыл бұрын
A problem that gas been had by Zero Trike Owners as they're always straight up ...lol
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Yeppers. 👍
@bigm383 Жыл бұрын
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@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
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@darrenlingerfelt5879 Жыл бұрын
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@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
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@chip9832 Жыл бұрын
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@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
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@garywilliams4205 Жыл бұрын
COME ON NOW OUGHT TO CHECK BOTH WAYS TO MAKE SURE THERES OIL IN IT TO START WITH
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
I have never found that a hot check (200 F or more) produces any significantly different results than a proper cold check...and a cold check is much easier on the hands. It is real simple. Start the bike standing straight up, not on the jiffy stand. Let it run 30-60 seconds, standing up off the stand. Shut it off, THEN put it on the stand and check the oil level. If it is at or above the add line you are good.
@drainmonkeys385 Ай бұрын
Honestly I didn’t understand what you were saying
@DKCustomProducts Ай бұрын
Sorry it was not clear. 1. Stand bike straight up. 2. Start bike & let it run for 30 seconds or more (still standing straight up) 3. Shut bike off (still standing straight up) 4. Put bike on Jiffy stand and check the oil level. It should be halfway between the bottom and top lines. Hope that clears it up. 👍😎👍 KP
@denis9272 4 ай бұрын
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@DKCustomProducts 4 ай бұрын
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@f.t.w1066 Жыл бұрын
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@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
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@KevinofWessex 11 ай бұрын
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@DKCustomProducts 11 ай бұрын
What is your question? Feel free to email or call. Support@DKCustomProducts.com 662-252-8828
@mckenzieepperson6507 Ай бұрын
Will it hurt my bike if I do fill it to full?
@DKCustomProducts Ай бұрын
If your oil is too full it will find somewhere to go. Here is a video that you may find interesting - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbBgqbxyztq5oYk.html Thanks for commenting! 👍 MB
@dennispatterson3085 Жыл бұрын
Had my Fatty m8 114 for 3 And half years, manual says , 1/2 between full and low, on jiffy stand, hmm never had the bike to a dealer, i do all work myself, made head breather hose, dumps, out in front of rear tire, that levelof oil, dont have shit comming out of hose, even at high rpms, but when boughtthe bike new, dealer had on full cold, shit inside air cleaner full of oil, , and throttle body, assholes ,, i checked whole bike when got home, there was so much shit wrong outa spec, unbelievable , how anybody lives, buying a new bike, and rides it home, sad shit
@DKCustomProducts Жыл бұрын
Totally relate to your experience, unfortunately. 😱
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