1970s: Pay to play 2000s: Pay to win 2020s: Pay to lose

This isn't Pay2win. It's just... Pay

"Yeah but he didn't have to pay $1,000.00. He could have just grinded 13 hours a day for 7 years and got the item properly."

The delay is a psychological trick to make you feel like you were so close. That way you'll be willing to spend that little bit more since you were so close.

"only a thousand dollars in a game" Damn, 20 years ago, people would NEVER imagine spending more than a few dozen dollars to "buy" a game, now you gotta buy the game, buy expansions, pay subscriptions, waste thousands on micro transactions and some people think it's natural to do that... It's amazing how companies manage to make absurd and abusive practices become "natural" to their consumers.

A guy spent 40k on BDO in a few hours to enhance his gear years ago before Blackstar was a thing... He failed over and over and raged. After he failed everything the servers suffered cause he paid a DDOS service in china to try to take down BDO servers in NA

The best part is is that this is to only bump the stats from 122~133 attack points to 131~142 attack points with 12 accuracy...

my favorite about about these grindy endgame things is once you get em you quickly realize you were never supposed to get them because trying to get them is the only actual content. Its like climbing a mountain for the view and when you get up its dense fog with 6 inches of visibility.

Not even pay-to-win at this point. Just pay-to-lose-more-often.

It sounds stupid but that tiny delay is an incredibly powerful gambling/addiction loop tool. If you're not paying attention and just in that spin spin spin mode, that tiny delay tricks the dumbest part of your brain into thinking you were closer to winning that time than the last one with no delay.

Fun fact: 10 spins at 3.9% success chance each gives you an overall ~32.8% chance in winning in any of the spins. With 20 spins (2k USD?) it would be up to 54.9%. You'd need to get to 58 spins to get over 90% chance of getting the item, 76 to get over 95% :D The more you know! Probability theory is fun!

“The point is to suffer” Couldn’t have said it better myself

The only way you get progression in bdo is by spending time running circles killing mobs for 10000 hours... or pickig up potatoes or what ever those lifeskillers do

He literally sold his clothes to do more spins. This game is a lottery addiction similator

This reminds me of the scene in the movie "Wargames" where the computer is slowly learning by playing "TicTacToe" and "Global Thermonuclear War" that the only winning move in those games is not to play at all. Right now I am thinking: "How about a nice game of chess?"

Before I quit BDO. My fist pen item not even the black star was 68 times and each time it felt awful that when I got the pen item I felt numb and not even satisfied. That was then I realized that I no longer wanted to play because of how unobtainable max gear was to poor people.

Watching this actually hurts me, maybe it's just because I don't have a lot of disposable income, but I could never do anything like this. I can hardly spend $35 to buy a new game once in a while.

Love this video. Nothing better than this “pay to lose” illustration.

After the youtube add-blocker thing i got advertisment in this video and i found it hilarious that i get advertisement for natural soap on an asmongold video. Next LVL!

Ijust started watching but i heard bdo and money and after a few years of playing the game i realized how much money i was spending vs how much fun i was having and realized it wasn't worth it anymore. I was more of a lifeskiller an even lvling that gear was a pain. Not to mention at the time there was some gear that if it broke lvling you'd just lose it. The game has the “fix it with money“ thing. There was also your character would get to heavy if you had to much on hand (at one point silver [in game money]) also counted). There was limited backpack space. Horses also had something similar with lvling. I remember at the time also someone took 3to4 months to get from 64 to 65 Oh pets had the issue where if you wanted to lvl a pet up you would need one of the same teir and there were about 4 teirs i think. And to change what the pet did also had to spend money. The nicest furniture had sets for $100 and that was for part of the set i think. The main things i miss is how open the world is the grapics, character outfit/body customization, and surprisingly sailing also my friends that i kind of slowly stopped chatting with often.

Call me stupid, but I snapped myself out of playing Destiny 2, after two weeks of nickle and diming purchases, by maxing out the battle pass. It took away my reason to play the game and made me realize how much money I just spent on a video game that I'm not enjoying. Haven't paid for any new video games since then, and I will watch streamers play new games before I choose to buy them.

Ah yes, the pinnacle of BDO content, throwing money at a number on a screen hoping the number goes up. Love it.

21:20 "It's easy to get into trouble in Altinova" as he blows up all his costume collection lol

Hahahahahahah. Prob the most fun ive had watching people spend money in a video game. Your commentary made it that much more hilarious

everyone who played the orignal Ragnarok Online back in the early 2000's knows the struggle to even get a +10 anything,

There needs to be laws against these micro transactions in video games. People clearly cant stop themselves.

I love how he pauses to see the fail first before saying "...in the fkn garbage" 🤣🤣 The wait for the confirmation is diabolical!

That "Delay" is the animation trigger calculating an RNG counter. Forcing the server to read the item, it will ALWAYS fail during that process. ArcheAge has literally the same exact script.

I will never understand this sh1t. 1000 dollars. So many games can be bought. My complete Wishlist, waiting for sales, can be cleared. 1000 for this bs is just nuts.

Thats why people that don't spend money on the game tell you to buy your upgrades. You don't get that rush of finally getting it, but you literally never have to suffer like this regardless if you spent 30hours grinding or swiping. It's difficult for people not to throw their silver away though and take a punt at getting lucky. Ive been there myself in this game. I struggle to save up even like 20 billion without spunking up the wall. But I've had time where I've tapped stuff on a 5% chance in 1-5 tries and I've had times like recently where I cant get a TET accessory on a 30% chance after 6 attempt. Or even failing 5 x 50% chsnces in a row. I never gamble IRL, but somehow it just doesn't really feel real doing it with currency obtained in game so I dont care. It is disheartening though and im currently on an extended break from the game because ive failed a certain TET accesory multiple times.

that little grin when asmon said this is a safe space

The thousand dollars evaporated into thin air as soon as he bought the Acoins, we just sat around to watch him realize it.

If Asmon thinks its convenient that there's a $200 package for whales, wait until he sees that Eve Online has a $650 package

You dont need to spend alot of money on games like this, all you need is them to sponser the video... youll get wat you want in no time and at no cost.

in the 14 attempts he did there was approximately a 57% chance of not getting the enhanced item

Gambling at a crooked casino in Las Vegas has higher odds than whatever this BS is.

I spoke with a person who'd spent $14k on the game. It was really surreal to see someone willing to waste so much disposable income on something like that.

Not even a happy ending. There goes rent 😂

5:35 i bet the devs would like to see that too

This is actually sad that video games have turned into this and there is nothing we can do about it bc their will always be ppl who are willing to pay 😞

God this video made me hurt on the inside. I tried to swipe once in BDO. A hundred dollars just gone like that. I felt horrible after. Like what the fuck was I doing? What was I thinking? I stepped away from the game and barely even log on anymore. That was years ago.

i love how 1000 dollars usd is now calculated as 1 xqc spin

@3:32 i was genuinely surprised, when did asmon unlock the mercy skill?

"the point is to suffer" same as life

9:59 that is a great quote for the ages!

Watching him click that TET to PEN with a naked 150fs was physically painful to watch, not gonna lie.

Yikes. Reminds me of Vindictus. In that game enhancing your weapon and failing had a possibility of destroying the weapon completely, and these weapons would take weeks or months of raid drops to craft. In a way typical character gachas these days like the Genshin Honkai series and Nikke are much more forgiving with your money.

2:53 Had me dead lmao "You psycho"

After I explored kamasylvia and the ocean I was pretty much done with the game. Kama is super pretty atleast and I go back and explore sometimes😊

I played this game just to explore and enjoy the world activities, once thats over and the game start forcing you towards high end combat and ENHANCING I dipped out

We shouldnt forget that he just could have selled the outfits and would have had a 100% chance to get the item hahahahha

This kind of upgrading was pretty much how it was back in 2007-08 in a MMO game called Risk Your Life. Great game, which is still playable. Not quite as ridiculous, but pretty much just as painfull.

The delay is psychological, it makes you think that you almost got it. We may not like it but it works.

You should post a video of you doing it , to brighten his day.

All of it reminds me how painfull it was that i needed 29 Pen Trys on a 315 Failstack and a couple houndred to get the weapon back to Tet up and down again. But the Failstack he used really was way too low.

So glad my experience on Black Desert was joining a season, being power-leveled by a friend, realizing I wasn't having fun, and then never playing again.

For comparison the odds of getting a direct hit in Roulette is 2.7%, 1 in 37.

I like watching things like this so I know which games I will never play and the companies to never support.

this game taught me not to gamble. I used to always grind to tap my gear but at some point I stopped, threw all my silver into gold bars that i put in some storage in the desert and then grinded until i could just buy the gear. I got so much faster growth since then compared to when i gambled my silver away (never whaled, only spent money on the needed QoL so like 60€)

Some games account for this to happen, so they reward you the item you want after a set number of fails.

THANK YOU ASMON 15 HOURS IS A LOT. I've been trying to tell this to my neet guildmates but "eh it's only 50 hours for an upgrade that's not a lot" . It is.

You know i feel this. Ive played so much of this damn game and ive swiped on a couple when i was a teenager.

the only thing That i consider to pay to win would be the tent becasue there is no way to get a tent for free that does the same thing.

"This is a safe space." 😂😂😂😂

It was very fun... For the publishers.

If dude really spent 10k on raidy shady, I have lost faith in humanity

when he started selling his worldly possessions for 2 more spins I lost it.

its honestly insane that we let game companies get away with this. Pay to win shit just shouldnt be allowed out right but to spend $1,000 and not get that one item just shouldnt be a thing. There should eventually be a 100% chance after so many fails whether youre P2W or F2P, fail 10 times and your chance goes right to 100% when its this expensive to try. It only punishes f2p

I love that soo much of youtube and streaming now has become people donating to streamers and youtubers so they can then piss that money down the drain in game gambling mechanics for "content" lol

LOL Bank Drain Online, all this time I thought it was Black Desert Online.

This is the longest buildup for a pull ever

They really should add a small amount of increase each failure. Like .05% increase or something so eventually you could get it. It would also make people feel like they get something and then spend more.

Kanon spend $1,000 for Content!

"It's only a thousand dollars boys, come on."

as a player of BDO this is the most fcking system i hate the most. and this is the reason I actually quit. even if I'm having fun with the game

I almost started playing this when it came out. Glad I didn’t, this is insane.

He only mentioned "gear" but didn't mention about the jewelry which specifically sacrifices the same piece to upgrade the other one unless it fails then you lose BOTH pieces!

So he doesn't even have to fight that thing to get the drop? he's not even entering combat

Fun fact, remember that devs and whoever created the game has these items for free and they can have them whenever they want, but the playerbase has to spend such shameful amount of money or luck to at least get one

That's actually the most stupid way to upgrade your gear by using crones, it was 2019 or so , I was in a guild that had a whale that spends 100+k euros on the game and he actually came to conclusion that dinging with crones is 3 times less profitable than dinging with silver. And also BTW 1 costume costs 20$ and it translates to 1.6 billion silver , a good geared character can farm 1 billion silver per hour easy mode , you see where I'm going right ? :D I mean 1000$ its like 4-5 days of farming , its nothing for BDO , people farm for months hundreds of billion of silver spent and they still can't get a pen what would you expect of some tiny 1000$ transaction.

Watching this video is enough to make me never even attempt to pick this game up

11:12 "I did this the last time..." Bruh.

I know most people wouldn't do this and it's mainly whales. But seeing this just makes me not want to touch the game with a 10ft pole.

For this guy to have a 99% chance to succeed, he'd need to roll 116 times. How dumb do you have to be to fall for something like this?

That's the thing about bdo, it's a pay to play that plays like a free to play. It's like, do you want to sacrifice a weeks income or repeat the same action x2+ the amount of time it took you to work for that week's income.

4:50 those are all real words, believe it or not I couldn't

$1k is so wild, but its still rookie numbers compared to the average heavy gacha whaler.

This is especially shady because it makes you put a little effort in expending money and effort creates attachment to the game

Videos like this are a lesson to every game in the likeness.

Well his $1000 lost will be your $1000 gained. Asmon such genius.

The most wasteful thing here is honestly trying to PEN a BS with less than a 200 fail stack lol

I got 2 PEN blackstars ez without spending. One went in like 17 swings and the other in 2 swings. On free stacks i got from events and costumes i bought with grinding moneys. Feels good

My friend was playing a mmo game called Rohan and there was the enchant system that had 1% to fail and it failed on my friend and i think it hurts more cause later we understood that it failed only twice a year for random people and my friend was one of these two

Meanwhile, me having cron stones that I've collected overtime and 3 tapping. A shy awakened weapon to pen on a 100 fail stack I got from like christmas or new year's gifts. Lol

There was a Russian streamer who got the best armor in the game at 0.08% first try.

1,000 dollery-doos???? christ......i could pay off my credit card with that....

"The point is to suffer." LMFAO

To be fair, that guy had only sent like 15 messages before he was banned, and the worst thing he said was "idiot."🤣🤣

9:53 keep in mind his fail stack is underwhelming. Typically you use a 230+ fail stack and you’d get a 5%+ chance at success which is not bad considering this is the BIS weapon. Which again you can buy off the market by grinding the in game currency (silver) for free and at a generous rate

yeee, thank you editor. just sat down with a plate of food. time to eat and enjoy video.