Honda oil filter design problems that Honda don't want you to know. Review and engine problems

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@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Treat your honda to better oil filter amzn.to/3P8Ogt2 But if you want ultimate, here is your option by asking in the comments section

@davidmeyer7199 Жыл бұрын

Lol at the end of. The day do u think a toyota filter any better. I change. My filter on rav 4 at 5ooo. And when i take it. Out of cansiter it has the same nasty falling apart look also i think a lot of toyota owners doing 10.000 mile oil changes are doing a lot of damage. Once more thank u for your very informative videos

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking time to comment

@saulja1000 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for the link.

@IM-eo1qo 10 ай бұрын

I learned a lot about Honda oil filter. Thank you!

@theaajourney9872 Жыл бұрын

I've always used synthetic fram filters or mobile one extended performance on my honda which are rated for up to 20k. I've never gone past 7.5k between oil changes. It is very deceptive for these car companies to push the 10k oil change when they know their OEM filter isn't designed for that. Thanks for the insight.

@androidemulator6952 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your informative video

@TndPnyRCofficial Жыл бұрын

Personally I use whatever filter that I have on my convenience. OEM or non OEM filters. I started off with FRAM filters. I’m currently trying out a Honda filter for my 97 Civic. I’ve also used STP and Mobil1 filters. Now I personally use K&N

@bobha3639 Жыл бұрын

Damn. I use to use Honda Filters all the time before I started using Amsoil

@tardeliesmagic Жыл бұрын

On my 2006 Honda Jazz here in the UK i use BluePrint filters & Castrol Magnatec every year at 2,000 miles.....as that's all the car does. Just trips to the town centre 2 miles each way 6x a week & a visit 5 miles each way every 2 weeks for a good run.

@rushane1707 Жыл бұрын

Honda also offers The RTA part number made by Mahle in Japan

@willpeony5534 Жыл бұрын

In Europe for the last few decades we had blue Purflux Honda genuine filters, the ones with a zigzag pleat that were made in France. For the last few years dealers have switched to USA made ones like above. Maybe the old filters were too good.

@TassieLorenzo 7 ай бұрын

Purflux and Fram are now part of the same conglomerate. So I guess it made sense to consolidate the product lines, while there are some "Fram" oil filters are that are constructed like Purflux oil filters (and vice versa).🙂

@davidott4859 7 ай бұрын

Thank you ❤

@vermontvermont9292 2 ай бұрын

The moment I learned the usa honda filters were made by fram I switched. That was about 6 months ago. Wish i had known this the past 2 years of owning my civic. I switched to Baldwin, or FULL , or anything but fram. Luckily Ive stuck to a strict 3,000 mile oil change regiment. 2019 Honda civic coupe ex-t.

@patm95 Жыл бұрын

I’m sure there are better filters out there. But I’ve used those since my car was brand new. Now has over 380k miles. Uses little to no oil. 8-10k mile oil changes.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

What year and model you have? How much oil it burns?

@patm95 Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle it’s a Honda civic. 2013. Oil burn depends how hard I drive it. If I drive less than 80mph between changes it burns no noticeable oil. If I drive harder like sustained >80mph often most I’ve ever added is ~.25 quart over 9-10k miles.

@scoutplatoon8410 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@davidott4859 7 ай бұрын

Thanks

@connor3288 Жыл бұрын

What is the book where you showed the filter history? Interesting. My Kymco Spade 150cc motorcycle uses a metal mesh screen/strainer to filter the oil. I believe many small engines still use them. A magnetic drainplug would be extra nice to have on these engines using the strainer design. When i checked it on the first oil change it had hardly any debris on the mesh. It probably does more to catch wear particles from the clutch and gears than engine wear particles i would imagine.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Here is the book that I am referencing, great book. store.noria.com/products/automotive-lubricants-and-testing?_pos=1&_sid=320dd8317&_ss=r Similar available on Amazon amzn.to/3Bhxsuy

@nathanielcasas8923 Жыл бұрын

I use either amsoil or wix filters or even Royal purple all better than oem Honda filter at least the fram made one but the Honda filter number 15400-RTA-003 is a better oem Honda filter choice

@remiguertin6474 9 ай бұрын

I bought a Honda filter to put on my Acura RDX. This one is made in Japan, hope it is a better product. I also bought a Fram Full synthetic filter to put on my CX5 Turbo, it is a much better filter!

@repairvehicle 9 ай бұрын

If it’s not synthetic media it’s a junk regardless where it’s made

@TassieLorenzo 7 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicle The 15400-RTA-003 are good enough for Honda to put on brand new engines. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@elchicano65 4 ай бұрын

Purolator Boss with Amsoil 100% Full Synthetic in my new 2024 Honda CRV Sport Hybrid...I will change at 3000mi/3months, whichever comes first...'nuf said...

@lafaders Ай бұрын

Hey I have a 2023 Acura tlx type s. Gonna try the amsoil signature series, is the purplator boss the best oil filter for Hondas?

@repairvehicle Ай бұрын

Amsoil oil filter is the best on the market

@johnwitherell6662 Жыл бұрын

It's videos like these that show me even a little bit of extra care, money, and interest in maintaining a vehicle can give me much better results than what is "provided" for me by dealers and auto shops. What book were you referencing the filter media history from?

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

I will get back to you later today about the book name

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Here is the book that I am referencing, great book. store.noria.com/products/automotive-lubricants-and-testing?_pos=1&_sid=320dd8317&_ss=r Similar available on Amazon amzn.to/3Bhxsuy

@johnwitherell6662 Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle Thanks for getting back to me. It certainly looks like a great source of info.

@richardmorse5307 Жыл бұрын

The oil filters sold at the local Honda Dealer in my home town in British Columbia are made in Japan. I was aware that Honda was buying them from Fram and if they started carrying those I would change brands. Fram is junk!

@stevel1475 Жыл бұрын

For Honda filters also ones from Hamp(Japan Honda light green, higher end than factory blue ones), Mugen(Yellow, Honda race/sports division), Purflux(France for EU).

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Where do you buy Honda green filters?

@stevel1475 Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle if you google Honda Hamp oil filters, I believe they are blue now.

@LoveLikeaHurricane Жыл бұрын

@@stevel1475 its been opened..pretty much the same as a02

@nighthawkj30A4 Жыл бұрын

Been using these Honda A02 oil filters since 2004 and no problems. even sent oil sample to black stone oil labs. And engine has no wear metals are very low.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

What were numbers for wear metals?

@nighthawkj30A4 Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle Aluminum was only 2 the unit Avg is 3 iron was 3 unit avg 4 Sample taken with 78,070 back in 9-3-23

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

What oil were you using?

@nighthawkj30A4 Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle Valvoine 5w-20 Full synthetic

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

How often do you change your oil?

@ohiostate9156 11 ай бұрын

I have a 2014 Honda civic that I bought brand new that now has 247,000 miles. I drive it 7 days a week 8 hours a day for work. My express lane service department at my dealer is fantastic. I look and every time I get an oil change its this blue Honda filter. I go to 5,000 miles once during the pandemic i went to 7500 miles before I changed it. Never had an issue. If its a bad filter I would think I would have had issues long before now.

@repairvehicle 11 ай бұрын

No oil consumption? That’s right, they all say no issues until asked about oil consumption

@ohiostate9156 11 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicle None that I am aware of, been full everytime I checked it. How the hell would an oil filter contribute to oil consumption?

@repairvehicle 11 ай бұрын

@@ohiostate9156 when oil filter cannot trap small wear causing particulates, it causes wear on the engine. Worn out engines consume oil. You change your oil every 3 months?

@ohiostate9156 11 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicle Depends some times it is less then 3 months sometimes its over a year just depends on driving. The last oil change was about a year which was back in April but im coming close again, I done a lot of driving on this oil change.

@Resistculturaldecline Жыл бұрын

End caps arent made of cardboard, and their only purpose is to maintain pleat spacing. Replaceable element filters have (wait for it), no end caps at all. Maybe one day, Honda, the largest engine manufacturer in the world and maker of legendary longevity will watch youtube and learn filter basics. Then, maybe their engines wont literally go in some cases up to 1,000,000 miles.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Hondas with fuel dilution wouldn’t even make 200k miles before engine needing repairs. Element filters don’t have cardboard end caps

@TassieLorenzo 7 ай бұрын

"Replaceable element filters have (wait for it), no end caps at all. " Some have plastic endcaps like Mahle & Purflux, some have endcaps made of glue like Mann, some have no end caps like Denso. 🙂

@yavz7565 3 ай бұрын

Depends on the replaceable filter

@dontderockmerizz3211 Жыл бұрын

Some Honda filters are made by Mahle.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Yes transmission filters probably made mahle because 9 speed transmission are German made

@RegCoulter 8 ай бұрын

I have owned Hondas, here in Canada where I live, since 1977. I also change oil on average, twice a year (Spring and Fall for example), and have never had any issues with engines, oil or filters. The crush washer oh the drain plug costs 25 cents to replace and is done each time the drain plug is removed. Never had any leaks. My Hondas since 2009 have used the maintenance minder system, however, the only time I have ever permitted my vehicles to go down to the 15% oil life remaining indication, is after doing all highway speed driving, otherwise I am changing the oil when oil life is closer to 30%. Oil is cheap and engines are not. So, no issues with a Canadian supplied Honda oil filter that uses the o-ring. And, all of my oil changes are done by the dealer. Simple and trouble free in my opinion.

@repairvehicle 8 ай бұрын

No oil consumptions?

@RegCoulter 8 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicle No - none of that has ever been experienced by my with any of the 10 previous Honda vehicles I have owned. I guess by looking after them and treating the right, they have in turn provided me with outstanding performance and reliability. I can not say that about the Ford product or the Chrysler product that I also owned - both were distastrous vehicles with dealers that followed close behind. I have heard from other vehicle owners that the dealer you use for your service can make or break your ownership experience. I tend to agree. That is why I would not own a Subaru in the city I live in here in Sk. My parents, on the other hand live in Northwestern Ontario and have excellent experiences with the several Subaru’s they have owned. They attribute it all to the dealer. Perhaps any dealer would have seemed excellent to them after having dealt with an Oldsmobile dealer in the same city for decades.

@charger19691 Жыл бұрын

This filter is good for 3,000 mile oil changes. That’s it.

@jamescaron6465 Жыл бұрын

Good video. The filter on my lawn mower is better made. That’s terrible, shame on Honda.

@LoveLikeaHurricane Жыл бұрын

2OHD004 From Napa, is possibly a good OEM replacement for honda

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Napa has really good filters

@steven4894 Жыл бұрын

Truth.👍

@lorenray9479 3 ай бұрын

Thin can. Paper ends. I took off a toughguard after 200 miles. Wow crimp on spring up against a 1/8 inch gap from tube to paper. Glad I checked it.!!! Leaking from startup to shutdown! Trash!

@user-yt6nw2de5y 7 ай бұрын

Subaru used to have the same Fram filters for the North American market, many of the owners opted to go to WIX XP. The manufactures want to keep the cost of maintenance low and you get these these crappy filters.

@Haffschlappe Ай бұрын

Wix today also China Made

@repairvehicle Ай бұрын

@Haffschlappe it’s say us made on mine wix

@stevel1475 Жыл бұрын

Even the OEM Hyundai, Motorcraft(Ford), AC Delco(Chev) are way better built, embarrassed to say. Honda filters use to made by Toyo Roki(Japan), then Filtech(Toyo Roki subsidiary in US), then Honeywell(Fram), I guess so much bad rep they had Tennex(Japan/Mahle) seems to have cardboard ends but looks better than Honeywell's. They brought back Honeywell filters, guess more cost savings and profits over quality these days.

@armedfarm3429 Жыл бұрын

Thats not an extended/ extra milage filter. It's a cheap ass filter, use a different if it bugs you.

@elcano9l52 Ай бұрын

What is the book you showed?

@repairvehicle Ай бұрын

amzn.to/3WWLz3K

@charlesfields6597 Ай бұрын

Shame on Honda. Honda used to source Denso for their filters before they made the jump to cheap Fram garbage. I order Denso only . easy to find

@BeanDip125 Жыл бұрын

Disappointing because these are $17 at the dealership

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Imagine there are other things related to car that you are thinking getting quality but not

@cartere9981 Жыл бұрын

My Honda dealer only says 5k miles I wouldn’t push it passed 3k with material like that

@thepiecesfit5049 3 ай бұрын

The higher quality filters like FRAM Ultra. Do they restrict flow too much?

@repairvehicle 3 ай бұрын

Why do you think they restrict flow?

@repairvehicle 3 ай бұрын

Why do you think your engine is going to work harder? If restrictive filters are bad then why I have zero wear on my engine? That video is just to generate views and confuse people.

@repairvehicle 3 ай бұрын

Also, does your engine is full of that garbage that was used in the video to test filter capacity? Was the oil in video pumped at 50psi as engines do?

@repairvehicle 3 ай бұрын

I’m not attacking you, don’t take it personally. I’m just trying to understand what is the source of your statements. I appreciate your questioning attitude and we need more people like you.

@thepiecesfit5049 3 ай бұрын

No worries just trying to understand the options and impacts if any of the simulated lab tests like the one I linked above not sure if YT blocks it. Not many videos go beyond the tear down. Probably just being overly cautious.

@obsesivegamer Жыл бұрын

thanks for the video isn't the Honeywell filter here 10 year old design?

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

What Honeywell filter?

@willpeony5534 Жыл бұрын

The knowledge here (you don't ALWAYS get what you pay for) could be extrapolated to many other fields.

@toddboden972 Жыл бұрын

Honda motorcycle filters are the best. If you're talking Honda car filters I agree!

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

What makes Honda motorcycles filters best?

@DanBrando 10 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicleToyo/Riki makes them still

@dalephillips8250 Жыл бұрын

Seeing is believing...nothing they can argue now. Also I'll never let a dealer change my oil again even with the free oil changes. Along with other problems caused by them when I did my oil change after the 2nd free one on my Tundra....A honey bee drained out when I drained my oil. Just pathetic...a $55K - 65K Truck and the dealer lets a honey bee get into their oil vat!!! I mean that they only thing that could have happened. NEVER Again!

@keyboardoperator 9 ай бұрын

Bosch Premium or Mobil 1

@michaelsimon7414 8 ай бұрын

Take notice of the holes in bottom of the filter. The filter you replace it with should be similar. If they are smaller better off sticking with the "Honda/Fram" filter and change it in 3k miles.

@repairvehicle 8 ай бұрын

same size not smaller

@dominicfong6341 Жыл бұрын

I am just thinking... If the filtration media is made of a paper like material, what is the problem if the end cap is made with such similar material. Not biasing against anyone or any company...just my two cents.

@davidwood1294 Жыл бұрын

Exactly, except the end caps are not paper or felt or cardboard. They are an engineered fiber and their sole purpose in life is to seal off the ends of the filter media so the oil is forced to go through the filter material, not around it. It is actually easier to glue the media to a softer fiber material than a hard metal end cap.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

When you use proper glue it’s not hard to glue to the metal surface.

@chocolatechiclid7654 Жыл бұрын

All the engine problems from every make and model due too one thing. LACK OF OIL CHANGES and going WAY OVER DUE.

@j-fp9075 2 ай бұрын

Made by Fram isn't it?

@Haffschlappe Ай бұрын

They are all Made in China...Not Japan!

@AEVMU Жыл бұрын

Honda makes some of the longest lasting engines, and most owners will have Honda filters fitted. Toyota filters also have a very low efficiency. The point is, that in a Honda, the filter doesn't really matter. The air filter is what's important. Having said that, I still use the best oil filter I can find.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Honda doesn’t have longest lasting engines anymore. Direct injection technology has put Honda engines in the same category as German engines

@AEVMU Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle Consumer Reports, which is probably the closest we are going to get to real objective data, suggests otherwise. Unless you have some data source showing Honda engines are not some of the longer lasting engines anymore?

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

@Andrew-do2nd, consumer reports would not tell you about carbon build up and fuel dilution that Honda engines have. Consumer reports is not a good indicator, you have to look outside of the box and have questioning attitude.

@AEVMU Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle CR does provide data about major engine issues and they have specifically called out carbon build up and oil consumption in brands or engines that have those problems. I asked you for data and you failed to provide any, so, not sure what else to do with my ''lack'' of questioning ability. Some of Honda's turbo engines had issues but it was oil related (NOAK volatility/ viscosity/ blowby) but not filter related. I do not believe they had accelerated ring wear or bearing wear, but the oil itself wasn't up to the task. They even came out with their own oil spec (HT0-6) to try and combat the issue. If the filter was the problem you would see shorter engine life in all their engines and you don't see that. Not sure how else to question anything other than asking for data.

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Here is the data that applies to all direct injection engines including Honda kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rp57nJqjmdi5fZc.html

@twinforce_fusion6560 Жыл бұрын

Subaru the same, Fram makes their crap filters also

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Good to know this. I wonder why Subaru owners so passionate about Subaru oil filters?

@stevel1475 Жыл бұрын

@@repairvehicle they think if the vehicle can go anywhere, they think the filter can do anything as well. 🤣

@user-sf7kl9uh7k 6 ай бұрын

Looks like Fram garbage

@ginog5037 6 ай бұрын

Just change the oil/filter every 3k and have no issues...

@repairvehicle 6 ай бұрын

Not if you have direct injection

@ginog5037 6 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicle True, 2000 - 2500 miles with a turbo and GDI. Oil additive packages start breaking down at 1200 miles...

@saulja1000 4 ай бұрын

I personally do not buy the filters that claim 15k or 20k because I would never let my oil change go over 5000 miles. Oil is cheap, I would not run a oil and filter over 5000 miles it is not worth the risk of oil consumption. I have a 2013 Toyota Rav4 with over 200k I have kept with the 5000K oil changes with Mobile 1 and Purolator classic oil filters and have not had any oil consumption issues. I will also add that with the driving i currently do the oil change never goes over 4 months.

@repairvehicle 4 ай бұрын

Here is Toyota/lexus with over 300k miles and 15k miles change intervals. This guy is smart a a saved a lot of money and time and still got more miles than your Toyota. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rb2EmpqItZ61lKs.html

@saulja1000 4 ай бұрын

That looked like an older generation Lexus in the video is that the model before Toyota switch to the low tension piston rings that are known to have oil consumption issues? I was recommended by someone that even with the Amsoil they recommended the 5k to 7.5k tops because the rings are prone to clogging up if the oil is not changed in a timely manner. Does the Lexus owner have to add any oil between his 15k oil changes? My RAV4 does not burn any oil, just curious. Now I did notice that his car was a Hybrid and that might make a difference over a conventional engine since it is under less stress and does not run continuously. Thank you for sharing the link. @@repairvehicle

@repairvehicle 4 ай бұрын

@saulja1000 it has low tension rings like all hybrids. Engine runs constantly because it’s highway driving and engine doesn’t turn off. It’s not older generation 2011. No oil consumption

@repairvehicle 4 ай бұрын

Rings clogged up with low detergent oils and factory drain intervals. Amsoil is not low on detergent, amsoil is known for keeping it clean with long drain intervals

@saulja1000 4 ай бұрын

Okay I will look into it. Thank you for the recommendation. @@repairvehicle

@jakebush6903 Жыл бұрын

Now Honda oil filters are made by Honeywell

@repairvehicle Жыл бұрын

Any proof?

@mordaccadrom250 6 ай бұрын

@@repairvehicle Honeywell owns Fram and sources the USA Honda brand filters. If you need proof, just do some simple research on Honeywell corporation and their subsidiary holdings. Fairly common knowledge in the business world.